Piggybacking offf the thread yesterday about weapons that never were but should have.
What has changed today where weapons (especially aircraft) projects take decades when in the 50's, 60's, and 70's we had dozens of concurrent development projects spitting out concept into functional weapon one after the other?
Now we get F-22 and F-35 projects that literally take 10-20 years and billions on top of billions of dollars to even get going. They cost so much you could develop and produce 6 different aircraft to cover all the multiple roles meant for that single aircraft if things worked as efficiently as they did in the 60's and 70's.
We went from the F-4 and the century fighters in the mid-late 50's all the way through the F15 in the mid 70's. Which is still the best proven air superiority fighter ever made. And the F-16 still arguably one of the best proven multi-role fighters ever made
By comparison it took us nearly 20 years to get an Advanced Tactical Fighter/F-22 operational from the drawing board.
The Joint Strike Fighter/F-35 still isn't fully operational after almost 25 years.
What happened to the american military industrial complex that things got so big, inefficient, and slow to produce anything of value?
>>34171696
>What happened to the american military industrial complex that things got so big, inefficient, and slow to produce anything of value?
Corporations got greedy, like you said. It transformed from an industry of war veterans and jock pilots into an over-regulated government sanctioned money pit.
>>34171696
>What has changed today where weapons (especially aircraft) projects take decades when in the 50's, 60's, and 70's we had dozens of concurrent development projects spitting out concept into functional weapon one after the other?
In short, technological advances and McNamara. The first point is simple - as time went on, things like aircraft have become less a single weapon system and more a system of systems, all of which require time to develop and mature.
The second point - McNamara - is that the he started the trend towards greater standardization. Before that, you had a ridiculous amount of waste because services kept trying to procure single-role aircraft for everything. Just look at a Vietnam-era carrier:
>A-5 - nominally nuclear strike, really just tactical reconnaissance
>A-3 - bombing, EW, tanker, ELINT
>A-4 - tactical bomber
>F-4 - fighter, tactical bomber
>F-8 - fighter
>A-7 - tactical bomber
>A-6 - all-weather bomber
There was plenty of overlap in the roles of the aircraft, and overall the practice was very wasteful. There was a similar trend with the Century Series. In short, both services seemed to throw money at whatever seemed cool without caring too much about budget. McNamara solved this, albeit heavy-handedly. The F-111 was a first failed attempt to do so, but he did things like forcing the A-7 on the Air Force instead of letting them develop an entirely new plane. From about 1962 on, the focus increasingly became on multirole aircraft, both thanks to people like McNamara and the fact that emerging technologies were now making them more viable.
> that things got so big, inefficient, and slow to produce anything of value?
And when has that happened? Development of aircraft may be slowing (as it has for every country across the board), but the products of the American aerospace industry nowadays are without a doubt the best in the world, and no amount of memeing is going to change that.
Nazis might be nazis but fuck, lots of interesting tech they've played with.
unconventional / unfair weapons thread
>>34171300
Garbage thread
>ftfy
>>34171329
haha your mom probably wont let you buy one
>>34171300
>Spike
ok, that's kind of useful
>Two blades
Much less useful, but still not too bad I guess
>Forward spike AND downward facing blades
See me after class Dylan
http://www.janes.com/article/71125/japan-rolls-out-first-domestically-built-f-35
So Japan just finished it's first F-35. What does this mean for the Shin-din? Is that program shot down before it can even get into the air (no pun intended)? What will the Japs replace their F-2s and F-15s with? The F-35 I guess.
>>34170825
Nah, the Japs would just use F-35 as a lesson to develop Shinshin further.
Is it really worth building a production facility for 42 jets? Even with it being used for major maintenance down the road that has to be a significant added cost.
>>34171271
It also gives them valuable experience with working the sorts of materials that will be necessary for further development of the shindig.
Greetings from California!
I really want to build an M-16A1 clone, but here I can't have any scary salt raifu features... unless the rifle is in .22lr, in which case it's all perfectly fine. So the question is: could I actually make this happen? Keep in mind, I don't need a "spot-on" clone - something that's close enough to fool a casual observer is fine. What parts would I need? I already own a Ruger lower - could I use that? What upper and barrel would I need? IS there a magazine that would look right?
Thanks, anons.
How do you repel this invader from your shores?
>>34170704
a .22 to the head.
>>34170704
>We could have had an interesting thread but instead we got this
/k/ is dead
>>34170704
You've already posted this multiple times
Just pre-ordered this ack ack killer
They start shipping the end of this month
Did I do good?
>Or did I dun good
Also DP-12, SKO-12, SKO-Bull thread
It looks cool but... we won't know until later.
>>34170458
It looks nifty but then again so did the RAS-12.
The part that pisses me off about the DP-12 is that they DID NOT follow the double barreled shotgun behavior from the video games that featured such weapons.
Put 2 Triggers on it so that you can fire Both at the same time if you want, but have them linked together like the double barreled M1911 so its easy to push both at the same time.
jeez its like, knowing the right thing to do, and then just not doing it
(double blast of low brass 2 3/4 inch shells at least equals a 3 inch magnum maybe 3.5")
Also one that actually fired both at the same time with one trigger pull could get around NFA by having a Sporting Purpose - this being to put as much shot downrange as possible to engage Geese. It would scatter horizontally too.
>be me in 2012
>14 years old
>shooting with uncle
>he has one of those .44 ball blackpowder revolvers you build from a kit
>ready to fire, cock hammer
>let thumb off hammer, finger not on the trigger yet
>KABANG
>wtf, never even touched the trigger
>ears ringing, can't hear shit
>smoke all over, can't see
>smells kind of like a cedar pond
>smoke clears, noticeable hole in the ground about an inch from where my feet were
>fucking hammer lock was broken
>almost lost some toes
>>34170386
>doesn't have half cock or it was broken
>sear notch was broken
Did your uncle hammer fan the fuck out of it or something?
The hell if I know, he just says he lost it somewhere
>>34170386
>2012 was 5 years ago
If you order a firearm online to be delivered to your local FFL dealer, does your back ground check get started once you make the purchase online, or once the firearm gets to the dealer? Also what exactly do you have to do when you go pick it up? do you have to demonstrate you are familiar with the firearm before they let you take it home?
>>34170381
im In California so the background check is automatically a 2 week waiting period
>>34170359
Contact your FFL and ask. When I bought a hand gun here in Wisconsin there's a 3 day wait. However my old boy Daryl counts filling out the form and a phone call as day 1.
So I order something and pick it up a few days later.
>>34170359
have you ever done the background check because if you have you know there's no way it could "get started once you make the purchase online", you do it at the FFL place where they have actual computers or forums for you to fill and submit.
>Also what exactly do you have to do when you go pick it up?
just walk in and say you are picking up something you ordered under your name, pay the transfer fee or FFL processing fee or whatever.
>do you have to demonstrate you are familiar with the firearm before they let you take it home?
I think it's a requirement in some places? Ask your FFL. In most cases people would inspect the item, work the action, fondle it a bit while NOT sweeping anyone while doing so.
>tfw picking up AR
>tfw upper pivot and slam into glass counter as I unpin it
>brief awkard exchange of looks with the clerk before we go back to what we were doing
What is the right barrel length for a SA?
>>34170096
5.5 is the best all-rounder.
7.5 is for more accuracy.
4.62 is for quick draw.
>>34170163
How is 5.5 for quick draw shenanigans?
>>34170188
5.5 is the best all-rounder so is good for any type of shenanigans you want to do.
>be me
>have a stroke of luck
>almost die from stroke of luck
>receive free Dbal i2
>know what it is but know shot about it
>Have GayR15 but no free float or top rail
So yea no shitting I got a free Dbal i2, real as steel and in really good condition. Is it worth investing a good rail just to mount the bitch?
If you ever plan on doing anything with night vision in the future, yes.
>>34170049
>already own NVG
Even if I don't play "night ops" regularly is it still worth it? Until now I had no desire to have a laser on my rifle and just want something to use as a point and pull trigger device
>>34170751
Just send it to me. It sounds like you have no use for it.
I've been saving these past couple months to buy my dream rifle. my paycheck Thursday will be the last of it I need. I can't contain myself I'm so excited I just want to stick my dick in the magwell and fill her chamber up with my seed.
post gun porn to distract me
>>34169776
>>34169791
that's my wallpaper
How am I suppose to compare revolver sizes??
Jframe is a cuck round
Dframe wtf is that
K frame obviously probably works
There are sizes above D frame am I hunting??
When did commie weapons first become available for purchase by the American public? What kinds were first available?
>>34168953
Reminder that Makarovs are stolen German designs and all subsequent threads are rightful deutsch clay.
>>34168977
I wouldn't want to admit I was involved in the design or production of maks
>>34168977
Reminder that bubbas and tripnigs don't get to have opinions. Doubly so for (you) since you're both.
is the echo just a meme for guys that can't get select fire?
>>34168812
no
>>34168844
do you just use it for mag dumps? or is the doubletap g ood?
>>34169345
The burst is definitely useful for putting two rounds relatively close to each other. Functionally that's honestly pretty good, I've never used it on an animal though so I'll have to report back.
I use it mostly for mag dumps though, full auto has nearly zero practical applications anyway.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LlLkgO4QwBQ
Whats going on here? did undercover brother start a bunch of shit then yank the dude out to get arrested? Undercover cop starting a bunch of shit or what?
Are we going to see this escalate or is this the summer meme?
Are we ever going to pop our Pmags?