This thread is more about how to set up gear. The concepts behind what sort of items are carried, where they are placed, and how they are organized. It is less about the brand or the camo pattern, or other little details. Those kinds of distinctions are more suited to /GQ/. For the purposes of this thread, a mag pouch is a mag pouch, the details of it don't matter so much.
Before starting, it has to be clarified what the perspective of this thread is and the goal of the gear setup. Being that the perspective and goal of gear can massively change what is being attempted, it must be stated first off in order to prevent confusion. This thread is written as a basic kind of guideline for a primarily dismounted soldier. That means the goal is to equip for combat and battlefield conditions, and to do so openly (as opposed to civilian clothing/Greymanbuzzword for example). The thread is more oriented towards dismounted. Military personnel may immediately recognize a lack of certain equipment they often carry (such as night vision and full sized radios) in the example photos I'm posting. I will post some ideas of how to organize this equipment, but of course feel free to experiment and find the right equipment balance.
There are many schools of thought and concepts behind organizing equipment. It should already be implied that the following thread is simply my opinion and not objective fact. But I'll state it just to head off the 'tards.
Anons who are not military but interested are of course encouraged to read ahead.
(back to my computer and sweet, sweet /k/ earlier than I expected. Yay.)
>>31623891
I am a big believer in modular and scalable loadouts. This is to say gear that can be worn a little bit at a time compared to something like a large, full size harness like a SMERSH or ALICE where you are either wearing everything or nothing. I find those kits to be too binary and inflexible. Sometimes you want/need some gear, but don't want to carry all your sustainment supplies as well- and that is the problem posed when all your gear is in a single piece of connected kit.
I like what is often refereed to as a firstline or subload. I don't like buzzwords and just call it a belt. Your belt is what is worn pretty much all the time. That means just walking around base or interacting with locals or whatever it is you may be up to. War isn't constantly being geared up and under fire and you won't be wearing full kit 24/7. Your belt is essentially your warzone Every-Day-Carry. What you want on a belt is basic defense, basic medical, and basic tools- all while keeping it light. The weight and bulk issue is important, since it is very tempting to continually load the belt up, but you should resist that urge in order to make it easier to wear around everywhere.
If you have a handgun, that should go on the belt. This is your first line (hey!) of self defense. Along with this handgun, you should put any mags you have on the belt as well. I am a big believer in putting handgun ammunition with whatever is carrying the holster. It just makes sense. If you have the holster, you have the ammo. Again though 1-2 mags in pouches is plenty, loading up on the arfcom standard of 36 mags is just overkill.
>>31623895
A medical kit is another good choice to put on the belt. First, it ensures that you are able to provide self or first responder aid no matter what, 24/7. Secondly, first aid kits tend to be very bulky, yet relatively light which makes moving them to a belt sensible. Moving them off of a vest or chest rig frees up that space for other items. A medical kit on the 4-5 o'clock of the belt is an ok position, so long as the medical kit is tear away or has a insert which can be pulled out. Some people will argue to put a medical kit "where both hands can reach", but I've found that the left hand can easily twist the belt and bring the medical kit to accessibility. Also, tourniquets are about the most time sensitive piece of battlefield medical kit, and it will be discussed later that those should be placed in multiple places, not just the kit. As a side note, while tourniquets have gotten all the attention, occlusive dressings should be as common and accessible in a kit.
For hand tools, a decent multitool is a given. Possibly adding a flashlight, depending on how often it is used may be a good idea.
Add on to the belt a dump pouch and possibly a rifle mag to ensure that a rifle is usable no matter what, should you pick up an unloaded one in an emergency. I wouldn't carry a lot of rifle mags though, as those will quickly weigh down the belt, and rifle mag combat loads should be extensively covered by chest rigs or chest pouches.
>>31623904
Beyond the belt, you are looking at preparing a full combat kit. This kit will be chest mounted.
Now, there are valid arguments either way to have the chest mounted equipment on a chest rig, chest panel, or directly attached to body armor. I prefer a separate chest rig for the sake of modularity. About the only downside is that donning armor and a full combat load takes a bit longer, but that is not a downside that tends to come up in practical situations. In any case, the exact attachment method is not terribly important, as the layout can be quite similar for each method.
The chest mounted kit is the primary combat/rifle kit. This should be a space reserved for combat items. Definitely make an effort to reduce clutter. The primary piece of equipment for chest gear is rifle magazines. Placing them across the chest makes them accessible. If rifle mags are single stacked, then going prone and performing various crawls is still quite doable even in a plate carrier. Rifle mags should ideally not be double stacked on the front, but this concession must sometimes be made to accommodate certain extra equipment, or in order to carry extra ammo when expecting to expend large amounts. For this reason you may want to experiment with using double mag pouches on the front, even if you normally only put a single mag in each.
I would not stack anything beyond double rifle mags, and make the effort to avoid that when possible.
Beyond rifle mags, I would carry basic navigation equipment. This can take the form of a mini GPS, compass, or both. Navigation is important, and even knowing basic directions is good for call outs. If you have money, you may additionally want to invest in a durable watch which also includes a compass as another means of navigation.
is it legal to 3d print an AR reciever?
is it legal to buy a milled AR reciever from joe schmo?
how fucked am I if law enforcement find unregistered black rifles in my possession?
>>31623848
nothing's illegal if you don't get caught
>>31623848
>is it legal to 3d print an AR reciever?
As long as you're legally able to possess a firearm (ie no felonies, no DV charges), you're legally allowed to make one for your own use.
>is it legal to buy a milled AR reciever from joe schmo?
Not without transfer paperwork. A completed receiver is considered a "firearm" for ATF compliance purposes.
>how fucked am I if law enforcement find unregistered black rifles in my possession?
Unless you live in a state/country that requires registration of firearms, you're in no legal trouble if you produced the firearms yourself. In the case of ARs, AKs, etc, the "firearms" is typically the lower receiver.
>>31623926
>Not without transfer paperwork
Eh?
Private sales are still a thing, in most of the country.
These can see you in the night from ages away, and are next to impossible to economically kill.
How do we counter them?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7D4r8OTgTw
Electronic warfare, birdshot, EMPs, other drones, raiding control areas, etc
>>31623866
what the fuck u meaning EMPS and Electronic warfare???
>>31623875
like what man portable system can emp/e warfare an drone?
like links with costs and specs
This was recently seen at the IV8888 shoot, Big 3 Industry Day and the NRA convention. What are your opinions on it?
its too tan
>>31623782
the one in videos are black
>>31623782
It comes in baby-killing black.
Hello /k/, I am not a regular poster here and am usually a /mu/ faggot, but Deer season starts tommorow and my boyfriend would like to take me hunting. The problem is, the only guns I own are a VZ58, a Cimmaron 1911 and a Ruger gp100. I was looking at buying a Mossberg Patriot in .308 for 500 dollars, but money is a bit tight.
>TL;DR
my predicament: Can I hunt with a VZ58 with ironsights, or should I buy a scoped .308 even though money is tight.
Hunt with the vz58 if you are a good shot and not retarded. Rifle is fine.
>>31623650
I was told i'm supposed to aim for the lungs/heart area, right?
>>31623658
no? aim for the face.
Hey /k/
Pretty soon, I am going to set up a gun trust with my lawyer and while it is mainly to obtain a suppressor, I am looking to purchase a full automatic rifle. However, problem is that even though hundreds of thousands of these things were produced before 86, cocksmokers want something like 30,000 dollarydoos for a fucking USED M16.
Am I just looking in the wrong places, or do you really have to take out a fucking mortgage to afford ONE fully automatic rifle? I just want an M4 goddamnit, I'd be satisfied with that.
Also, how reliable are AR-15 conversion kits? I've been told they are pretty much rigging it to be like full auto, but its not quite the same and you still have to file NFA paperwork
Ok...
Better question, but does anyone here actually OWN a fully automatic weapon?...
>>31623460
Sorry bud the only legal way is to acquire a registered sear. Which is in the tens of thousands.
There is the SOT route but that's way more involved.
>>31623591
FUCKING REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
HORSESHIT. I SHOULDNT HAVE TO PAY THE PRICE OF A HOME DOWN PAYMENT FOR ONE GODDAMN RIFLE
Bayonets weren't always a wire cutting multitool clipped to a two foot plastic and aluminum bullpup, but which were the best?
Once the ammo's run dry, which bayonet on which empty rifle makes for the most effective, durable, and reliable melee weapon?
>>31623413
>Once the ammo's run dry, which bayonet on which empty rifle makes for the most effective, durable, and reliable melee weapon?
The one that makes the firearm more of a spear.
Obvious answer but I definitly assume any larger rifle would give a significant advantage.
Also in this WWII book I read it mentioned a hooked bayonet used by the japanese that was used to rip a rifle out of a soldiers hand and i thought that was pretty metal
>>31623516
Kinda like an English bill/guisarme
is the f2000 the master race of rifles? or a ridiculous looking monstrosity? or perhaps something in between?
anyone here with f2000 experiences, anecdotes, opinions or ownership (??)
>>31623350
Junk. There's a reason FN has abandoned it and now shills the SCAR.
>>31623380
but-but its so unique
>>31623380
>Hating guns just based on looks
Found the pleb.
What would the modern loadout for American/Western troops look like in an extended campaign in a jungle environment? Something similar to a long lasting counter insurgency where securing villages and fighting regular and irregular combat meant that airborne drones couldn't just handle it all.
What kinds of armor or personal equipment would be added or removed from current kits? What kind of optics would be most useful? What sorts of troop dispersions and formations would come into use more?
>>31623244
With the US Army, they would probably add an additional 10 lbs of equipment, change uniforms to unbreathable material, and then revert back to shined boots if they had their way.
>>31623244
Ideally?
Probably a push back to lighter body armor or no body armor at all. The color green will see a resurgence once more. Use of ACH might abound but units might abandon it for soft caps and boonies.
Optics? On one hand I want to say close quarter optics. But the drawback being batteries and humidity fucking it up. The other choice would be ACOGs but the zoom would be counterproductive in thick undergrowth.
Added kit might include machetes at the very least and more survival oriented equipment. Units would need to be more self sustained so changes in training would invariably arise as well. Lifestraws and iodine tablets, plus bugnets, repellent, and high calorie rations.
Troop formations would try to be wedges whenever possible, but realistically files or staggered columns. At best getting on line on actions upon contact.
Flame-resistant MultiScam uniforms with mag pouches on top of mag pouches on top of mag pouches dude.
Why do you guys hate the UN? Its role as a mediated place of discourse has prevented another world war.
Nukes prevented a world war
The UN couldn't tie an Ethiopian's shoelaces, much less prevent a world war. Mutually Assured Destruction is who you should be thanking for that one.
>guyz guyz why do you hate anti freedom globalists
What guns do you wish there were civilian versions of?
I nominate the H&K MP7. I don't understand why H&K never imported them as pistols (like the CZ Scorpion) so that people could paper them as SBRs and add the stock and foregrip back on. Hell, I'd own one even if I never SBR'd it, though I just really love the look. It's also a shame the UCP project never panned out - common magazines between a PDW and a sidearm is a pretty neat idea. I know H&K hates us, but they import pistols anyway, so it can't be that hard. Do they just not care about competing with the PS90?
Honorable mention: L85, though I know the Brits would never do that.
>>31623190
INB4 "But Century MAS .223!" I want a G2 for one, and for that matter I'd like to be able to actually afford the thing.
>civilian version
I wish the National Fudd Act wasn't a thing.
Canadafag. Always wanted a semi-auto MP5.
So what's wrong with the new Flankers?
>>31623082
35's? Not much, they've pretty much made it to F18C/D level. Which for a Russian fighter isn't bad.
But the 33, 27, and 30 still have plenty of problems.
the 34 is pretty great
>>31623082
THey're Russians, which makes them not as good as Swedish or CHinese planes. And the should be rivets and bad welds, typical of Russians.
Apart from a fact that they are 15 years too late - not much.
I have $550 to spend on upgrades for my bone stock Colt 6920. Do not say magazines and ammo cause I have over 9000 of each.
>>31623060
hmmmm
It's a 6920. Nothing needs to be upgraded.
>>31623060
theres some shop that i cant recall off the top of my head but they do a whole 'reliability package' for $175.
I know this is the veteran centrist board of 4chan, but god damn If I can't be a nihilist about my prospects. My grades in school are doing good but I am constantly fighting alcoholism, how the fuck do I give a shit about modern society? Please help seriously.
I love you all, every one, veterans or not, but my dilemma is one veterans will most likely understand.
>>31623049
Cry more faggot
You signed up for it. Now you get to live with the consequences.
>>31623049
>how the fuck do I give a shit about modern society?
Why the fuck should you need to? Give a fuck about yourself and your loved ones. If you don't have loved ones, find some motherfuckers and start loving them.
>>31623068
Not trying to cry about consequences of actions, just trying to level with veterans with a similar history. I'm done with my path, just wondering where the next step is.
This is a bit tinfoil hat-ish even for me. But bacteria is scary as heck. Although I'll be comfy as heck in my custom made suit...
>>31622996
Hope you've got atropine and diazepam injectors, scba masks and gear, detectors, antidotes to weaponized viruses, level C, B and A suits, potassium iodide and a plan.
I mean its amazing how we could be wiped out by something so small...
https://youtu.be/9AEMKudv5p0
>>31622996
I'm gonna bite, what suit do you have planned for surviving NBC threats.