Is this the most underrated empire in European history?

>>79590353

So weak they couldn't even take Denmark

Such a failure might as well be best forgotten

If you're talking about meme empires, yes.

>>79590353
It's not particularly impressive if you know the history of this picture. Sure they were the most powerful nordic country, but...

>>79590353
It probably took more effort to build the Swedish Empire than colonize some jungle guys shooting their bow.

>Finland had about 30 times less people than Sweden when Swedes established control
>Estonia and half of Latvia are literally who
>Wars against Russia were easy because Russians are inherently bad at war and only succeed because of numerical superiority

>>79590353
>empire

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>>79590555
Estonia and Latvia were taken from the fuckin Teutonic Order, what did Brits and the French conquer?

>>79590670

So they were taken from a small German elite estranged from their peasant slaves who didn't care very much who ruled over them.

>>79590387
Do you know what Skåne is? It made up something like 50 % of the Danish land mass, its still ours - 400 years after conquering it in war.

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>>79590387
We took the majority of Denmark you moron.

>>79590353
More like the most irrelevant.

>>79590713
Sure, most Teutonic forces ever were locals, and our "Germans" curiously spoke with an Estonian accent and words. Our elite Germanized. Just like Finland-Swedes are the elite of Finland.

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>>79590861
> Mention of Swede's being the elite of Finland
> Countdown to Finnish butthurt

>>79590861

Many noble Finland-Swedish families had local origins like Carpelans and Kurkis. I'm under the impression that this was not the case in Estonia as there was a more stringent separation between the Germans and Estonians so I would like to see some sources that prove otherwise.

>>79590353
Swedish """""empire""""" was about bleeding the peasants dry to enrich bloodthirsty and megalomaniac kings. They also oppressed many peoples under their regime. Fuck Sweden.

>>79590670
Actually the German nobles in Estonia asked for Swedish protection after the dissolution of the Teutonic Order. Livonia and the Estonian islands were won in wars against Poland-Lithuania and Denmark though.

>>79590972
So it was here, most of the nobility had local roots that Germanized. And they knew what "porgand" means. During the Umsiedlung of Hitler, about 50% of the repatriated to Germany were ethnic Estonians, and nobody could tell a difference from local Germans, we called them by a particular name. One of them later became a ruler of the Third Reich occupation government.
>>79591012
They are the cause of Sweden losing the Baltic provinces. The Russian tsar gave them better rights. The "landfolk" always sided with the Swedes.

>>79591178
I know of this. It was actually a German noble upset about losing property during the reductions who approached all the foreign powers that would make up the anti-Swedish coalition in the Great Northern War and asked them to invade.