/lang/ - Language Learning

>>79329434
>Language learning resources:
http://4chanint.wikia.com/wiki/The_Official_/int/_How_to_Learn_A_Foreign_Language_Guide_Wiki

http://www.duolingo.com/
>Duolingo is a free language-learning platform that includes a language-learning website and app, as well as a digital language proficiency assessment exam. Duolingo offers all its language courses free of charge.
>>>/t/746368
>Torrents with more resources than you'll ever need for 30+ languages.

https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B9QDHej9UGAdcDhWVEllMzJBSEk#
>Google Drive folder with books for all kinds of languages.

https://fsi-languages.yojik.eu/languages/oldfsi/index.html
>Drill based courses with text and audio.The Foreign Service Institute (FSI) is the United States federal government's primary training institution for employees of the U.S. foreign affairs community.These courses are all in public domain and free to download.Site may go down sometimes but you can search for fsi on google and easily find a mirror.

https://www.memrise.com/
>Free resource to learn vocabulary, nice flash cards.

https://lingvist.com/
>It's kinda like Clozemaster in the sense that you get a sentence and have to fill in the missing word, also has nice statistics about your progress, grammar tips and more information about a word (noun gender, verb aspects for Russian, etc.)

ankisrs.net/
>A flash card program

https://www.clozemaster.com/languages
>Clozemaster is language learning gamification through mass exposure to vocabulary in context.Can be a great supplementary tool, not recommended for absolute beginners.

https://tatoeba.org/eng/
>Tatoeba is a collection of sentences and translations with over 300 hundred languages to chose from.

radio.garden/
>Listen to radio all around the world through an interactive globe

https://forvo.com
>Has pronunciation for lots of words in lots of languages

>>79329446
http://www.effectivelanguagelearning.com/language-guide/language-difficulty
>Check out information about languages and their difficulties

http://lexicity.com/
>An invaluable resource for comparative language study as well as those interested in ancient languages

http://cosmogyros.tumblr.com/post/108962232110/huge-new-language-learning-collection
>A very extensive language learning collection for 90+ languages.

http://www.dliflc.edu/resources/products/
>Similar to FSI, drill-based courses with text and audio issued by the US government.These courses were made for millitary personel in mind unlike FSI.

http://en.childrenslibrary.org
>Lots of childrens books in various languages, categories 3-5yo, 6-9yo, 10-13yo.

https://www.hellotalk.com/#en
>The app is basically whatsapp, but only connects you with people who are native in the language you are trying to learn. It also has a facebook type section where you can share pics and stuff too.

https://www.italki.com/
https://www.mylanguageexchange.com/
https://www.interpals.net/
http://www.gospeaky.net/
https://www.speaky.com/
https://polyglotclub.com/
http://lang-8.com/
>Few more language exchange communities like Hellotalk:

http://www.goethe-verlag.com/
>A mostly free site which offers audio and drill like exercises for 40+ languages.

http://www.languagetransfer.org/
>A free resource with recordings to learn a language.

https://babadum.com
>Flash card game with a focus on vocabulary.

http://context.reverso.net/translation/
>A website like Tatoeba (also has a Firefox extension!)

>>79329479
LANGUAGE-SPECIFIC IMAGE GUIDES/WALKTHROUGHS:

>Arabic
https://i.imgur.com/GaPEIBr.png

>Farsi
https://i.imgur.com/zAN5eMU.png

>Finnish
https://i.imgur.com/thYqRE9.png

>French
https://i.imgur.com/UpCEFWl.png

>German
https://i.imgur.com/ZTrFFlB.png
https://i.imgur.com/CzpgmUP.png

>Irish
https://i.imgur.com/OR95Lah.jpg

>Japanese
https://i.imgur.com/Ur8PzMZ.png
https://i.imgur.com/InA8n4n.png

>Mandarin (traditional characters)
https://i.imgur.com/mNvOu9i.png

>Russian
https://i.imgur.com/zhwCKlo.png

>Spanish
https://i.imgur.com/AKboS8t.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/IQW5sKT.png

>Swedish
https://i.imgur.com/zjjjxct.png

>Turkish
https://i.imgur.com/IgPQdj8.jpg

i want to learn french

>>79330324
E x t e n s i v e
R e a d i n g

It should take you like a week or two to get the basics/grammar down with any textbook. From there, just read a lot. There's enough written in French that you'll never run out.

>>79330324

this
>>79330970
but please learn how to conjugate verbs and use tenses.

>no more cute Mari anecdotes

>>79334189
Mari-anon's just over in the republic herding sheep or something with a qt babushka, r-right?

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>>79334189
I'm still here, I've been rather busy lately so other than my daily language learning and revising I don't have a great deal of time to share irrelephant anecdotes.

pic unrelated but interesting nonetheless

>>79329515
fuck, does the german shit really works?
I feel like I have to enroll in a course to learn the basics and the quit to follow by myself

>>79330970
>>79333910
Is there a grammar book you can suggest?

>>79335961
for grammar I followed the courses of aulafacil.com.
Then, I used this method to learn french
http://time.com/3453841/secret-learn-foreign-language-adult/ .
I didn't have the audiobook that the autor recommended but I made a list of the most useful verbs and learnt how to conjugate them.
I learnt first the first group (-er), presently the second one (-ir), then the iiregular verbs (the most importants venir, tenir, rendre, prendre), you can learn them by groups, for instance, if you know the conjugation of venir, you will also know thw conjugation of souvenir, revenir and so on

How many Persian/Farsi learners in this thread? What are the best resources for a beginner?

Should I learn the Muslim squiggles before I actually start learning the language?

>>79340096
you should ALWAYS learn the writing system of whatever language you're learning

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>>79340279
Why did they have to adopt sandnigger cursive? Why couldn't they just keep the based Avestan script?

Polysynthetic languages sure are goofy
:-)

How do people who use a Cyrillic keyboard layout typically type « and »?

I can do it without too much issue since the Latin keyboard I use has those, but I imagine that the default Latin layout which Cyrillic users switch to is US English, and to my knowledge the US English layout doesn't actually have « and ». So how does your average Russian type those?

>>79336889
Nice, thanks.

>>79340495
u r

>>79340902
Typically, we don't...

Here's the top hit in google for "кaк нaбиpaть кaвычки-eлoчки":
http://www.myadept.ru/page/kak-sdelat-kavychki-jolochkoj-to-est-i

As you can see, it suggests using Alt codes. The same is suggested in the second hit, from the tone of which it is noticeable that the author wants to educate people on what they should be, but from ignorance are not doing:
http://www.designer.pasha.by/alt-codes-ili-kavychki-elochkoi-eto-po-russki

Finally, the Russian Wikipedia again tells people to use Alt codes:
https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9A%D0%B0%D0%B2%D1%8B%D1%87%D0%BA%D0%B8

Basically, actually inputting « and » is about as common as writing in cursive for Americans, and carries about the same connotations. There is a known Cyrillic layout that supports these symbols, but it only has the Russian Cyrillic with added historical letters.

>>79343581
So are people more like to use " instead for everyday usage then, seeing as it's part of the standard Russian keyboard?

You guys have any guides for learning Korean?

>>79344287
Absolutely.

back to page 1 you go

I've taken up learning german. Is it realistic to be able to understand most words in writing and conversation with 4 months of regularly studying. I don't mean having meaningful conversation, but just understanding what other people say/write.

What's the best word order? my vote goes for object subject verb

>>79350235
>being this much of a hipster

>>79350235
Flexible word order ofc

>>79350235
SOV

>>79350235
doesn't matter, as long as it's fixed word order

puta que no puedo irme a dormir.

How do I become a fluent Spanish speaker within two weeks?

>>79353021
Speak gibberish fast

>>79353021
you cant. Maybe at most you could speak at a basic elementary level like a kid, and by kid, very fucking young, but it is virtually impossible to be fluent in just two weeks.

why English so hard

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>>79350235
SVO with SOV remnants

>>79348677
Bump for this. I feel like some kind of benchmark may be helpful

Goys - is there a french or dutch /lang/ telegram?

>>79340373
Avestan script is evolved from Aramaic, another Semitic sandnigger script.

>>79354730
Maybe look on reddit? I'm pretty sure their language learning communities have telegram and discord groups for learners for all kinds of languages.

>>79357924
>Reddit

no, I mean telegram with actual people, not fags

>>79348677
This is perfectly achievable with very intensive study. However, I find that not rushing to any particular benchmark makes for the best studying experience.

>>79340902
We normally can’t type «» or —. I know VK corrects << to «, and Microsoft Word corrects " to « or » in Russian text.
I use a custom layout, and alt-codes are an option.

>>79348677
I don’t think you can achieve that in the first year.

Going full autism with my Arabic learning and timing all my learning to see how it breaks down by resource.

>>79362643
Post said resources

>page 9

>>79362965

At the moment i'm just doing the alphabet but arabic.desert-sky has a great collection of resources

http://arabic.desert-sky.net/links.html

>>79329434
What a bullshit chart. How can grammar take more time than vocabulary and how can vocab take more time than content study?
Even if you're learning a meme language like Polish, the chart is still on reverse.

Kids are at school = dead /lang/

It was a good 8 weeks.

>>79368390
Buh... I'm doing an internship...

All my internet friends are dead
That means all my friends are dead ;_;

>>79368390
Some of us have uni.

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Is this a language?

https://www.bbc.com/pidgin/world-40997001

>>79366302
Believe it or not but Croatian grammar is actually slightly more difficult

>>79372439
What the fuck happened to BBC?

>>79372439
Yes.

>>79373934
What do you mean?

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Just got this in the mail today, lads. Paid $1 for it. I'm learning French at the moment. I wanted to give myself three years before I began another language. It's only been about 2 though. Oh well.

>>79377151
What do you think he means you dumb fucker, don't play innocent

It's hardly a language and bbc doing this is a waste of time and for a subset of people too small to practically care about

>>79379101
Just keep in mind that the grammar of Russian is only somewhat less complex than that of Latin.

>>79379101
Shit cover.

I bet it's a good book though, and will be really useful to you after you've learned the basics.

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Classic Memrise

>>79372439
https://www.bbc.com/pidgin/tori-41171196

It resists decoding but it has spaces and other punctuation so probably.

>tfw no lady to waka

>>79380659
>It's hardly a language
how?

>is a waste of time
why? it's not like it diverts resources from the BBC's main reporting or whatever.

>subset of people too small to practically care about
According to this (http://www.afrostylemag.com/ASM7/pidgin.html) that the BBC cites in another article, and ethnologue (http://www.ethnologue.com/19/language/pcm/) nigerian pidgin is used by 3-5 million people as their first language in Nigeria, with the total number of speakers being between 30-75+ million. that's not a small amount of people, and i don't see the problem with providing news in the language.

>>79382219
First of all yeah 3-5 million people isn't very significant, there are cities with higher populations.

Also you don't see the problem with
>The government don set target to give every house toilet by 2019, but dat work never really get head
>dat work never really get head
How the fuck can you defend that? 'Translating' it into English would be something like "there have been difficulties in implementing these plans". There's a fundamental difference in formality there, and if this pidgin isn't capable of properly giving that connotation, then it isn't mature enough to be considered a language and its limitations likely go far further than that, meaning news shouldn't be presented in it.

Not all languages are equal. Historically languages develop and mature through literature; the arabic script was practically invented because of the quran, devanagari got the top line thing because of the vedas, shakespeare and cervantes made lasting contributions to their own languages, and I'm sure there's plenty more examples. A language reflects the "higher" cultural development of the people that speak it.
This pidgin is new (relatively) and from what I can tell it didn't inherit a lot of qualities from English that I'd almost consider essential. And you know what else? That's fine, because as we already know, it's a fucking pidgin, meaning it's supposed to be sort of shitty. But then we have fucking goody-two-shoes boyscouts like you defending it, like your type defends everything shitty, because you don't believe there's a difference between good and bad; everything's just the same to you all.

>>79384174
>de problem be say people are fed up, because wetin dem want dem no get, hunger dey catch dem, family dem no fit take care of
What are you on about mate, only a people of superior intellect and cultural achievement could have devised such a language

>>79384174
>it didn't inherit a lot of qualities from English that I'd almost consider essential
Like what. It sounds silly compared to the English I speak isn't an argument.

The rest is just some strange tangent. Some languages have written works which are influential enough to have some influence on the spoken language and that makes it objectively superior somehow. Being born with people who speak the Standard English doesn't make you special or cultured Amerimutt. There's nothing inherently good or superior about it regardless of how much is written in it. Especially "American English" which has way less important culture. Anyone raised in a Standard English speaking household can speak it. It's just a way of communication like any other.

Pidgin English just happens to be the way that some people communicate in. It's hardly a small number of speakers either. Most of Nigeria speaks some variety of it.

>>79384174
>How the fuck can you defend that?
what's the problem?
also i don't see how conveying formality determines whether a language is "mature" or not.
>Not all languages are equal
in terms of literature, maybe, but most of the time they're pretty equal (unless ur speaking ithkuil, in which case ur super smart and superior)
>Historically languages develop and mature through literature;
no they don't, languages develop through people speaking them.
>the arabic script was practically invented because of the quran
giving a script literary prestige isn't inventing it. also scripts aren't language
>devanagari got the top line thing because of the vedas
woah, the top line thing. quelle culture. also writing systems aren't languages

>shakespeare and cervantes made lasting contributions to their own languages
to their own language's literary canon. to my knowledge, shakespeare at least hasn't done anything to alter the natural development of english, aside from maybe coining a few words, and i don't know spanish, so i can't comment on cervantes.

>This pidgin is new (relatively) and from what I can tell it didn't inherit a lot of qualities from English that I'd almost consider essential.
what qualities do you mean? if people can use it to communicate, i don't see what could be missing.

> That's fine, because as we already know, it's a fucking pidgin, meaning it's supposed to be sort of shitty.
if they were shitty people wouldn't use them.

> But then we have fucking goody-two-shoes boyscouts like you defending it, like your type defends everything shitty, because you don't believe there's a difference between good and bad; everything's just the same to you all.
wew lad.
also
>meaning news shouldn't be presented in it.
how's it supposed to develop a literature / culture / whatever or "mature" if people aren't writing in it?

>>79340096
The squiggles aren't that hard, it took me 2 weeks.

Resources for Arromanian?

>>79386528
American English is negligibly different from standard UK English

>Being born with people who speak the Standard English doesn't make you special or cultured
You didn't understand what I was talking about. Cultures are collective entities and they share history and experience. Some have intellectual traditions that are far more developed than others. As for individuals, that's not what I'm talking about; culture and history transcend any individual. I don't take personal pride in being a westerner but I can look at things objectively and say that the artistic, literary, scientific, etc development of the west is far greater than of many other cultures, and that DOESN'T mean "my culture is so superior and everyone else sucks". The west is good today and has been since the renaissance because it had the good fortune of inheriting some traditions of older cultures; romans, greeks, etc. Middle eastern cultures also inherited some good qualities from those same dead cultures. You have to realize that some shithole in Africa is so fundamentally behind the rest of the world right now it's almost staggering, and the few decades of lazy apathetic colonization they were subject to didn't impart a significant amount of true western tradition in them. As time goes on assuming technology is still developed at its fast pace and the world stays mostly interconnected, Africa will develop in a way beyond just the material.
But right now, a PIDGIN spoken by some low class poor assholes in Nigeria is not a proper language.

>>79388643
>>79388643
>what's the problem?
>I don't see how conveying formality determines whether a language is mature or not
It's incredibly vague, first of all. "Work never really getting head" doesn't tell you what's actually going on. It's possible that the 'English' article might have said something like "but the plans fell through", but I doubt it, unless the bbc IS really shitty now. If you can't be properly fucking expressive in your language, it isn't a good language.
Formality is a part of this. If you can't communicate a formal tone in your language it necessarily implies that the language is immature and used by a culture with less need for 'formality', which then implies again a lot of things about its societal development. In this case here, the immaturity is probably due to both its age and the fact that as a pidgin, nobody truly sees it as something to make any kind of effort in it and its speakers are not signified by culture, but probably by class, since pidgins are trading/working languages not spoken by diplomats or authors or politicians. It's a shitty language by definition.

>>79384174
>There's a fundamental difference in formality there, and if this pidgin isn't capable of properly giving that connotation, then it isn't mature enough to be considered a language and its limitations likely go far further than that, meaning news shouldn't be presented in it.
If you can't explain something using simple terms neither should you explain it nor do you actually understand it

>>79391174
I said what I meant shitter

>>79390236
It's just virtue signaling. The pidgin is simply the lowest register of the English language as it exists in Nigeria. The only reason they would use that is a publicity stunt to show how they "care" for the inferior groups. Really though, it seems linguistically interesting.

>>79391759
It looks like Abos trying to write English.

>be fersians
>get forced to change your name because arabs cant pronounce p
we wuz shahanshah n shit

>>79384671
This is just how ghetto niggers talk.

I want to learn both Arabic and Russian.

>>79391759
>virtue signaling.
nice reddit buzzword my man.

>The only reason they would use that is a publicity stunt to show how they "care" for the inferior groups.
This 2bh.

>>79397605
>>79391759

Bumping this thread with Sanskrit.

>>79356327
As did the Greek and Roman alphabets, and every alphabet still in use save those based on Chinese characters (or inspired by them)

>>79396064
Learn one, then the other depending on which one you want to learn more. There should be guides at the top

So I need to pad out my university degree program.

Is it a bad idea to stick in basic language courses, having basically no experience of previously learning a language - or should it be similar enough to any other form of learning that it's survivable?

(Most of them are CEFRL level A1)

>>79400614
Just started a degree in japanese studies + russian evening classes in the side. We'll see how that goes.
You definitely need to add more than your basic degree imo, be it business, or politics. You won't go far with a language.

>>79390190
>Arromanian
Just learn Romanian and replace all the slavic words with greek ones

http://teachyourselfuzbek.com/

This is almost like the Ken Sama pasta
Anyway it has free resources.

>>79402552
http://briangreco.com/

really makes you think

>>79400614
> pad out my university degree program
What kind of degree? The British don't usually need to do 'padding'.

>>79403577
History & Politics
I'm being a bit flippant calling it padding. Basically you just need to take 120 credits in total, which means 1-2 outside courses. Not too enthusiastic about having to do so.
http://www.drps.ed.ac.uk/17-18/dpt/uthispo.htm is the course structure.