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How is life in Brussels right now?

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How is life in Brussels right now?
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bumping for interest
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literally ıraq tier
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>belgians are banned from 4chan because they're all jihadists apparently
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I feel bad for the innocent Muslim people of Molenbeek. They don't deserve this.
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>>51144304
Like you would expect any city with 25% Muslims to be: incapable of functioning.
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>>51145809
Do you live there?

>25% Muslim
Holy fuck, that's even WAY more than Berlin....
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>>51146076
No I don't.

My brother works there and I know some people who live there.
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>3 days later
>still no blown up belgians
What is this shit, I'm dissapointed.
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>>51146232
How are people in Belgium reacting to the fact that their capital is basically out of order?

Also, what went wrong in Molenbeek?
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>>51145809
>25% Muslims
you're optimistic
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Heeeeeeeeeyyyyoooppp
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>>51146313
>How are people in Belgium reacting to the fact that their capital is basically out of order?
Haven't heard much outside of the fact that a lot of money is being lost.
Other than that, judging by my FB feed, people seem to be a lot more upset with white, right-wing racists than with Muslim terrorists for some reason.

>Also, what went wrong in Molenbeek?
Brussels is made up of 19 different municipalities, each with lots of autonomy and their own police force and jurisdiction.
Molenbeek was ruled by a socialist mayor (Moureaux) who let tons of Muslims do whatever they wanted, because they voted for him.
A dude got shot in the back one day, and this mayor shrugged it off as an anecdote.
Lots of areas in Brussels have similar Muslim problems (Anderlecht, Sint-Joost, ..), and other Belgian cities too (Borgerhout in Antwerp), ...

From a more general point of view: Brussels used to be a majority Flemish city when my grandparents were young, but tons of Muslims from North Africa were brought in because they spoke French, to help turn Brussels into a French-speaking city.

And voilà.
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>>51146719
>tons of Muslims from North Africa were brought in because they spoke French, to help turn Brussels into a French-speaking city
And also to help vote for the socialists.
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>>51146313
>Also, what went wrong in Molenbeek?

25 years of Socialist government ignoring what was happening under their very noses.
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smelly
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>>51146719
>people seem to be a lot more upset with white, right-wing racists than with Muslim terrorists for some reason.
why
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>>51146856
Because that's where the REAL problem is, apparently.

Not the people killing because a book literally tells them to, but the white supremacists who disagree with said killings and ideology.
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>>51145809
I heard it's all your fault because of your colonial heritage, in Northafrica and the Middle East....

oops
You never even have colonized them Muslims....lololololol
You should have at least massacred them in the past, now you have all the terror and non of the fun.
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>>51146885
This depresses me. Is there hope of people changing their minds once things get worse?
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>>51146719
I kinda get now why the Flemish want to fuck off from the rest of the country....

They should go through with it 2bh
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>>51146983
We share the blame because we're white, even if Belgium never colonized any Muslim countries.
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>>51146856
>why

Because people in Belgium are not allowed to speak their minds, or draw logical conclusions.. Especially not when they're politicians or journalists. They sometimes invite Flemings to Dutch talkshows to be the moderate voice or the Muslim advocate... There was a Belgian chap saying that in order to prevent attacks like the ones in Paris, the French government has to give more space to Muslims for them to be Muslim. (France's strict secularism means that head scarfs are banned in public schools and other public buildings)
>pic related
This was the guy... Can any Fleming inform me as to why this faggot is apparantly Belgium's main expert on extremism?
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>>51147070

Oops.
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>>51146780
>ignoring
Social-Sems in Germany promote Mosque-Clubs and Muslim-culture-clubs. I'm pretty sure your socialists are a-like.
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I was in Brussels 2013 summer. I have never been to a more enriched city except maybe for the Hague. Burqas, negroes,Sand-African Americans, and no white people anywhere.
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I like you belgium because your biscuits and snacks are awsome you are the cutest and adorable country in europe
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>>51147103
>Belgian

Pretty sure that's an Arab
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>>51147127

Yes, but he speaks Dutch with a Flemish accents which makes him a Belg.
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>>51147117
Don't ever go to Marseille then

It honestly doesn't feel like Europe over there....
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>>51147173
There was this German guy in my workplace who had lived in Finland for many decades... anyway he was old and he is now retired.
He told stories of going to Marseille on summer vacations in the 50's and was complaining now that he can't go back there because the city doesn't exist anymore.
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>>51147043
If anything they'll stick to their viewpoints more and more, out of pure cognitive dissonance.

>>51147103
>>51147070
Because he's well-spoken, well-dressed, has credentials, and makes the kind of statements that our leftist media likes to lap up.

Him and Abou Jahjah can sometimes take the correct side of the debate, surprisingly enough.
But whenever they take the wrong side (i.e. pro-islamic side), their arguments are extremely retarded and easy to demolish.
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>>51147246
It's just horrible.

It's pretty much North Africa at this point and some neighborhoods there look legitimately 3rd world, not even exaggerating.
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>>51147103
Saw the debate yesterday, shame they didn't get an hour, because pic related would have destroyed him.
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>>51147484
Vermeersch is pretty based alright.

He and Abou Jahjah were in a debate last week, and Vermeersch got Jahjah to agree that the Quran is full of violence against non-believers.
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>>51145809
>25% Muslims
ayy
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>>51145809
>25% Muslims

hahahahaha
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How do we save Brussels?
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I'm of Armenian origin but I honestly haven't felt as white as I did when I was in Brussels.
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>>51145809
>25% Muslims
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>>51145809
25%
5
%
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>>51147043
>Is there hope of people changing their minds once things get worse?
The first mosque in Constantinople was built right after an Arab attempt of capturing the city. Take that however you will.
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>>51147718
First we remove the croissant.

Only then can we remove kebab.
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>>51147718
Brussels is completely fucked
there is no hope for Brussels
trust me, I live there part time and grew up there
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>>51147821
>there is no hope for Brussels
this is why europe is doomed
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>>51147821
>Brussels is completely fucked
this 2bh
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>>51147851
Well Brussels was picked as the EU capital because no one could get butthurt about it being in a shitty city in a non-country. It should get bombed to the ground anyway.
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>>51147820
But Brussels is shared clay, no?
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>>51147938
Its Dutch clay and has always been
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>>51147938
Brussels is its own entity with its own regional government.

It depends hugely on money from Flanders though. Less than Wallonia, but still.

And it's also a French-speaking city by a large margin, so the croissants like to claim it as theirs. Which is why it's annoying for them that there's no geographical connection between Brussels and Wallonia.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQOG5BkY2Bc
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>>51145809
This has to be a meme, this can't be true
Right?
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>>51144583
lol no
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>>51146983

>Middle East
As far as I now, we never colonized muslim countries. Just Congo.
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>>51148103
It's all too true.

http://www.npdata.be/BuG/100/

Do a ctrl+f search for 25,5 (comma, not period)

"Brussels gewest" means "Brussels capital region", so all 19 municipalities that make up the Brussels metropolitan area.

The actual historic heart of Brussels (which is one of the 19 municipalities), where all the historic landmarks are, is actually 33.8% Muslim according to that same source.
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>>51148308
Not gonna lie, this is kinda shocking....

Are Muslims more common in Wallonia or Flanders?
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>>51148308
Damn, i feel sorry for you guys
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>>51148308
>2008
I don't even want to see the numbers of 2015.
I read somewhere that 1/6 children don't even speak Dutch at home in Flanders.
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>>51148377
basically the same
Wallonia 4%
Flanders 3,9%
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>>51148377
It's about the same in Wallonia and Flanders: around 4%

They're really concentrated in Brussels because North Africans speak French, which helped turn Brussels from a majority Flemish city into a majority French city in a few decades.
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>>51148308
>The actual historic heart of Brussels (which is one of the 19 municipalities), where all the historic landmarks are, is actually 33.8% Muslim according to that same source.
how does something like this happen
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>>51148441

You should see the playgrounds at our schools...
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>>51145809
Just read in the paper that children can't go to school there now due to the threat of terrorism and some services are also down for the same reason.

Is this true? How do the actual Belgians feel about this? This will inevitably be used as a reason to deny access to Muslim migrants in the near future, do you consider that a good or bad thing?
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>>51148496
see >>51148487
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>>51148308
So what is it about Brussels in particular that muslims flock to instead of anywhere else?
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>this thread belongs to /pol/
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>>51148554
Belgium was one of the richest welfare states in the 60s, plus socialism.
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>>51148540
>Is this true? How do the actual Belgians feel about this?
Haven't heard much outside of the fact that a lot of money is being lost.
Other than that, judging by my FB feed, people seem to be a lot more upset with white, right-wing racists than with Muslim terrorists for some reason.

>This will inevitably be used as a reason to deny access to Muslim migrants in the near future
I don't think so.
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>>51148604
kek, you expelled some spaniards because they were abusing your welfare
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>>51148554
See >>51148487
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>>51148556
>t. walloon/Achmed
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>>51144636
#notallmuslims
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>>51148556
There isn't even much racism in this thread, what the fuck are you talking about? People are just talking about statistics and their consequences
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>>51148487
You're an idiot.
It all began by the end of the 19th century. The flemish elite started to speak french because it was the language spoken in power circles (business and politics) all over Europe. Brussels being the capital of the fifth economical power, it spread gradually to politicians and the overall population.
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>>51147117
It's so perfectly symbolic that the capital of the EU is a Muslim shithole.
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>>51148626
I would think the Muslim population interfering with the ability to educate the children via threat of terrorism would DEFINITELY be reason enough to speak out against them at the very least. That's a pretty fucked up situation.
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>>51148838
niggers speaking french didn't help though
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>>51148838
All I said was North Africans were brought into Brussels by the masses, which HELPED turn Brussels into a majority French-speaking city.

Nothing you said changed or invalidates that.

You just read what you wanted to read, and knee-jerked a retarded response.
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>mfw people call you a fedora when you say a war is gonna happen in europe
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>>51148838
t. Achmed-François Dutroux
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Thanks for making us look good, guys
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>>51148838
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>>51149591
But all you guys did was bitch about how we should accept immigrants.
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>>51144304

There's an ebin internet kitteh uprising atm apparently.
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>>51149647
Weren't the ringleaders born in Belgium?
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>>51149647
Idk which USA you've been looking at, but next to nobody here thinks they should have left the ME in the first place. Pls close doors Europe, this has gone on long enough.
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>>51149717
their parents were probably immigrants?
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>>51149722
Say that to Merkel, not us.
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>>51149262
Half of muslim immigrants from the 60s/70s came from Turkey (which is a well known french speaking country).
You may keep backpedaling, you're still an idiot, though.
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>>51149717
Last time Orbán pulled a cheeky one and said that all terrorists were immigrants at some point, all the more reason we shouldn't accept any :^)
>>51149722
The american ambassador has been whining how "hurrrhurrr ur inhumane take in all the filthy muslims hurrhurr".
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>>51149772
Everyone immigrated from the Middle East, man. We just did it a little bit earlier.
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>>51149775
>Half of muslim immigrants from the 60s/70s came from Turkey
Lol, which is why about 80% of Muslims in Brussels are Moroccan right?

Source: http://www.lalibre.be/actu/belgique/molenbeek-son-energie-et-ses-demons-portrait-564b9f9a3570bccfaf1cbb16
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>>51149837
not sure who that ambassador is tbqh
Feel free to get rid of them, they sound like the kind of useless cunt we don't need here either.
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>>51144304
Brussels was the worst city I've been to so far, I'm not really surprised things are getting out of hand there
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>>51149894
She's called Colleen Bell appearently. But people pretty much just told her "fuck off bitch".
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>>51149955
She wasn't the first to fail at civilizing Hungary
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>>51150017
Fuck off Abdul.
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>>51149591
meh, you still have much bigger problems with your 13% black population that is getting increasingly angry and aggressive, as well as your quickly growing ~20% Hispanic population.

At the end of the day we're still quite a homogenous continent, that is around 95% white and Christian/Atheist
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>>51149955
>But people pretty much just told her "fuck off bitch".
good

>>51150017
>import bulk muslims from the world's most unstable region
>"civilize"
yea no
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>>51149882
The thing with idiots is that they don't realise they are indeed idiots.
Nowhere in that article is it claimed that "80% of Muslims in Brussels are Moroccan".

Keep digging, dimwit.
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>>51150050
We've survived worse
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>>51149955
she probably shouldn't come back to this country after the next election tbqfh.
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>>51150149

It does say that about Molenbeek though.. So it seems like a relatively fair assumtion the rest of Brussels is comparable, no?

>La commune (95 000 habitants) vit coupée en deux. A l’ouest du chemin de fer, des quartiers résidentiels, aux immeubles sortis de terre dans les années 50 et 60. Vieillissants, en majorité "belgo-belges", ils se paupérisent. A l’est de la voie ferrée, c’est un autre Molenbeek, jeune, animé, aux airs de gros village. La population d’origine marocaine y avoisine les 80 %.
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>>51150250
this
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>>51150250
>>51150515

I think it's funny how you Americans always act like this on /int/.. As if you people were POTUS himself, and as if the American Ambassador to Hungary is some kind of random marginal person who'se opinion doesn't mean shit...

Do you really think you two represent the policies and standpoints of the American state better than an actual ambassador?
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>>51150591
Not them, but yes.
>trusting politicians and bureaucrats who represent lobbyists instead of the state
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>>51150591
Hold on one second. Do you know where you are?
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>>51150662

Never change.
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>>51150662
>being this cynical about our government
hope you like being part of the problem, m8
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>>51150312
It's very different from one neighbourhood to another. The article mentions that roughly half of Molenbeek is 80% morrocan.
It's nowhere near that figure in the other parts of Brussels.
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>>51150149
You're right, I misread.

What it actually said was that the part of Molenbeek east of the train tracks is 80% Moroccan lol.

There are 125.962 Moroccans in Brussels, and only 35.877 Turks.
Out of about 250.000 Muslims.

So what's with this "half the Muslims came from Turkey" bullshit?
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>>51150688

The internet? Zuid Holland? Western Europe? Planet Earth? A Japanese imageboard concerning the virtues of French knitting? Be specific.
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>>51150737
The first and last obviously. Every opinion on these two places must be considered fact or else neckbeards will actually realize how sad their existence is
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>>51150737
>A Japanese imageboard
delete this
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>>51150591
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>>51150913

When he gets into office it'll be the same thing..
>He's not a real American
>Just panders to corporate interests
>Elections were rigged
>He should not come back to this country

There's always a few that believe they know better than the vast majority of their countrymen.
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>>51150729
2nd or 3rd generation people from immigrant descent are belgian at birth. They don't come out as morrocan or turk in census.
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>>51150974
Most of this country actually believes they know better than the rest. Thus the entire point of a democracy, even a representative democracy which we have here.

>Hurr silly american shouldn't have an opinion regarding his own country
Well fuck you too, buddy. I'll do what I like, thanks.
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>>51151017
Stop talking out your ass.

The massive concentration of immigrants from Francophone northern Africa helped turn Brussels into a Francophone city.
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>>51151057
>>Hurr silly american shouldn't have an opinion regarding his own country

That's not what I said, though.

>Well fuck you too, buddy. I'll do what I like, thanks.

>Americans

Please. Please never change. Ever.
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>>51149921
Brussels is not only the worst capital in Europe, but also the ugliest. It had no city-planning whatsoever, the result is a couple of old buildings mixed with commieblocks inhabited by muslims.
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>>51148308
Well I did speak to a architect from Belgium, he did say the centre of Brussels is where the cheap flats are and the outskirts are expensive, which I found odd. No wonder they moved there.
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>>51146719
>but tons of Muslims from North Africa were brought in because they spoke French, to help turn Brussels into a French-speaking city.

REEEEEE
French people get the fuck out of my europe
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>>51146076
>25% Muslim
>Holy fuck, that's even WAY more than Berlin....

No shit, Berlin was still a commie city like 25 years ago.
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>>51150591
>I think it's funny how you Americans always act like this on /int/.. As if you people were POTUS himself,

No, that's how everyone acts

>Euros pretending to be in charge of immigration, saying things like "We will not allow X into our nation"
>Euros saying they will """nuke""" other countries or take back clay, like they're in charge of militaries

Fuck man some idiot from your country went nuts here and claimed he was going to "invade and defeat" the USA a few months back. I don't even know what military superpower he was role-playing as
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>>51151386
>No, that's how everyone acts

It isn't though.
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>>51151386
The country is pretty united in terms of not letting immigrants in though. I think we should just put up signs at the borders that say "Hungary FUCK OFF"
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>>51151621
Yeah hungary maybe, but I see armchair immigration ministers from Sweden or Germany pretending to block certain groups
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>>51144304
I slept all the day so pretty good desu.

btw most people in this thread are meme spouting butthurt flemish that just repeat what's said in the medias, don't even bother.
For example, Molenbeek was always a shithole. There is no point in its history where it wasn't.
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>>51151621
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>>51151358
half Berlin*
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>>51151106
Seems like you're only trying to justify your right-wing half-assed ideas.
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If we had just let Lelgium go to the kaiser we'd ALL be better off for it.
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>>51151729
>Brussels getting fukt
Why would the Flemish be the butthurt ones? Brussels isn't what they worry about. It's a francophone shithole.
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>>51151621
Based
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>>51151621
>tfw part hungarian
>tfw can apply for citizenship there in case things go to shit in my cunt

Feels good, magyar.
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>>51151984
>muh verloren hoofdstad
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>>51148554
People go to comfortable cities where there's work. The Low Countries are perhaps the most developed region on the planet.

The French language is also very proficient across Africa. My aunt is 100% Arab-Berber but speaks French as a first language, because that's what the Moroccan elite did once upon a time.
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>>51151785
Are you saying those hundreds of thousands of Muslims from French-speaking countries didn't help turn Brussels into a majority Francophone city?
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>>51152135
waarom paal je dit
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>>51152109
I thought things have already went to shit in macedonia. Well sure as opposed to what people might think we're pretty welcoming to foreigners, we just don't want to be overrun by muslims. The language is pretty autistic to learn though if you don't speak it already.
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>>51152180
>100% Arab-Berber
>100%
>Arab
>Berber
>Moroccan elite
>Berber
>Elite
>100%
>Elite
>Arab
>Berber
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>>51151984
It was majority Flemish not long ago.

Somewhere, somehow, us Flemings like to believe there's still a teency-weency chance of getting rid of croissant, and repairing the unholy buttfuckery the croissants have inflicted upon Broekzele.
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>>51151984
E§verytime there is a thread talking about Brussels, there is invariantly a flock of butthurt flemish posters coming to insult it desu, don't even try to deny it
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>>51152367

>Stop giving money to Brussels
>Stop giving money to Wallonië
>Wait till they start going bankrupt
>???
>Buy up their properties and watch them retreat to France
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>>51152305
Where is the meme?

My aunt was born in Morocco, studied in France, and married an American.

Her family was quite wealthy back home, and both of her uncles were officers during the independence crisis: one a French colonel and another a Moroccan independence leader.
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>>51152426
>>Stop giving money to Brussels
Literally useless since Brussels makes more money than Flanders, comparatively.
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>>51152373
You don't need Flemings to insult Brussels you bonehead.

Brussels is doing a bang-up job of insulting itself.

Just saying "25% Muslim" is enough to receive the scorn of millions.
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>>51152441
>Where is the meme?

The meme is, from what I understand from our local Moroccans anyway, is that Moroccans are either Berber, or Arab. Definitely not 100% Arab-Berber.. That would be 50-50 at best. Which automatically means the whole 'elite' bit is out of place, because the Moroccan elite is 100% Arab. They are indeed Francophone, but Berbers tend not to be.. Either they learn French as a second language if they're somewhat educated, or they speak Berbers... And if they speak Berbers, they're pretty far from the elite.

>My aunt was born in Morocco, studied in France, and married an American.
>Her family was quite wealthy back home, and both of her uncles were officers during the independence crisis: one a French colonel and another a Moroccan independence leader.

If I had to guess, I'd say she's Arab and not Berber.. Though I could be wrong. The Berbers that went to this country tend to be the underclass of society. Perhaps Berbers that were higher on the social ladder preferred to study in France.
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>>51152291
Just studying here senpai.
I've been to Hungary before and the people there are good, and my hungarian relatives are really warm people as well.
But yeah the language is hard as fuck to learn, I'd get around to it eventually though.
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>>51152229
I'm not going to repeat myself.
You're just looking for simple answers to a complicated situation.
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>>51152491
>You don't need Flemings to insult Brussels you bonehead.
t. flemish poster that came in this thread to insult Brussels

btw is even npdata a fiable source? All other source are significantly lower and seeing npdata's front page makes me doubt heavily that it's non-biased.
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>>51152628
Oh aight. Whats your cunt then?
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>>51147718
Save the Europe by nuking Brussels with no warning.
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>>51152824
*Save Europe
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>>51152651
Soooooo, those hundreds of thousands of Francophone Muslims didn't help turn Brussels into a majority Francophone city?

>>51152721
>t. flemish poster that came in this thread to insult Brussels
Brussels doesn't need me to insult it.
It's insulting itself.

Did you know that Brussels has a higher poverty rate than any European country?
34% of the Brussels population is certifiably poor.

>fiable source
Can you croissant any harder?

>All other source are significantly lower
No they're not.
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>>51153041
>34% of the Brussels population is certifiably poor.
KEK ME UP INSIDE
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>>51153041
Flemings are so hypocritical. They fled the city to live in the country in their little houses with their little gardens.

What stops them from coming back in Brussels and make it a better city?
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>>51153041
>Did you know that Brussels has a higher poverty rate than any European country?
Comparing the poverty rate of a capital city and a country is incredibly stupid. Gotta grant you that it's still often higher than other western european capital cities though.
>34% of the Brussels population is certifiably poor.
desu it's defined by earning less that 1080€ but not counting moonlighting, people that don't need to work and stuff like that.

You're pretty quick to draw a conclusion to extremely complex social issues from a single data, friend.
>Can you croissant any harder?
Nice escape. I guess you don't have any valid point to throw me, then.

>No they're not.
I guess 15% isn't significantly lower than 25% then, my bad, kek.
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>>51153754
>Comparing the poverty rate of a capital city and a country is incredibly stupid.
Tell that to IWEPS, the Walloon institute for statistics.

They're the ones making the direct comparison.

And it's not that far-fetched, Brussels is in many ways an autonomous region, unlike 99% of capital cities around the world.

>You're pretty quick to draw a conclusion to extremely complex social issues from a single data, friend.
The only "conclusion" I drew, was that Brussels insults itself, which it does.
The city's been a national punchline for years, and now the entire world is wondering wtf is going wrong there.

>15%
Lmao, source?
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I work in a banking multinational in Brussels

>got a day off today
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>>51153548
>turn the city into a Muslim hellhole
>"why everybody leaves??"

Croissant logic.
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>>51150591
>Do you really think you two represent the policies and standpoints of the American state better than an actual ambassador?

of course not -- but we are also not the State. i don't really give two shits about representing the standpoints and policies of the federal government because those agendas are formed independently of the american people. our government isn't flexible by nature. the executive serves fixed terms and can only be removed by impeachment.

we say whatever we want because we're removed, not in spite of it.
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>>51156319
>Walloon institute
jej, incredibly stupid alright
>The city's been a national punchline for years
Not really, maybe only for you butthurt flemings.
> Brussels is in many ways an autonomous region
That has nothing to do with how institutions are organized but how urbanization is, and this is not autonomous in any way.
>Lmao, source?
Wikipedia shows three different numbers with source for each one of them. 15% has the most.
Imho none of the sources for any number is good though, which is a shame.
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>>51156671
>Not really
Lol.
Croissant STILL in denial about the shittiness of Brussels.
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>>51156745
Please read my post. I don't follow flemish media and you're probably talking about that. French-speaking medias don't do that at all.
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>>51156671
>jej, incredibly stupid alright
What?

>Not really, maybe only for you butthurt flemings.
So is the entire world now butthurt?
Everyone and their dog is wondering wtf is going on in Brussels.

>That has nothing to do with how institutions are organized but how urbanization is, and this is not autonomous in any way.
What in the world are you talking about?

>Wikipedia shows three different numbers with source for each one of them. 15% has the most.
Which language?
What article?
Where in the article?
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>>51157065
The part of your sentence I quoted was
>The city's been a national punchline for years
Not
>and now the entire world is wondering wtf is going wrong there.
Please pay attention to my post before answering.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cities_in_the_European_Union_by_Muslim_population
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>>51156852
>I don't follow flemish media and you're probably talking about that.
You think this pic >>51156745
came from the Flemish media?
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>>51157140
Amsterdam and Berlin...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWaLxFIVX1s
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>>51157155
>Kuifje
Flemish media, flemish community, same shit. I fail to see your point.
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>>51157140
The point was that Brussels is now an international punchline.
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>>51157284
>Flemish media, flemish community, same shit.
Hahahahaha.
Jesus christ, fuck off croissant.
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>>51157298
Yeah, now it is, I can't deny that. You're still avoiding my answer to your post though. Before the Paris attack, it was exclusively a flemish thing to bash on Brussels.
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>>51157353
Great answer, lad. Good work.
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>>51157354
You said Brussels was a punchline "only for butthurt Flemings".

So answer my question: is the entire world now butthurt?
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>>51157456
No, I said that as an answer to "The city's been a national punchline for years". I explicitely quoted that sentence.
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>>51157394
Says the croissant who thinks the Flemish media and the Flemish community is the same shit.
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>>51157456
>>51157394
>>51157354

I saw pictures of that town.

Then I realised I am old and some of our °problem° areas also look like this.

WHY.
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>>51157515
Trust me, I have met quite a few Walloons who felt the same way about Brussels.
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Is calling somebody a croissant an insult?
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>>51157637

Well, similar to calling you a Burger and you calling me a Wurst.
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>>51157612
Well, sure, it's impossible for all wallons to like Brussels. That's obvious.
>>51157637
Seems like it is for flemings. Kinda childish but well tb.h
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>>51157637
It has been ever since this classic: >>51147820
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>>51157720
"Fucking" french immigrants I guess.
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>>51157718
>Kinda childish
Someone can't handle the banter.
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>>51157668
>wurst
>not a kraut
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>>51157862
What do I know about racist fighting-words?

Racism has been outlawed since the Purges in 1967, Piroggi-Man.
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>>51157859
I don't think I've been crying when you called me croissant before in this thread so I think I kinda do tb.h
It's pretty shitty banter tho, as if I constantly called you stroopwafel. Gotta be more creative and original
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>>51157956
Fuck off croissant.
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>>51157934
Kraut is a timeless classic, pre-dating burger.

>Piroggi
I had to google it desu
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>>51157956
Don't you think the flemish have a reson to dislike being a minority in their own country?
As well as paying for the state of affairs also.
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>>51158160
You what
>in their own country?
I take it you're not familiar with the history of the country.
And they're a big majority in the country.
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>>51158290
Well, brussels.

No , i don't know that much.

Besides your royal house being french.

Belgium is a rather new thing anyway, right?


I also know you bullied Luxembourg.

Uncool.
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>>51157720
>>51157794
Dat "French invader" stereotype.
I guess the longer you spread a lie, the stronger it becomes a "truth".
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>>51158386
Yep, sucks to be on the losing side I guess.

>Not that I would know about that one....
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>>51158386
>francophones aren't moving to Flanders and refusing to learn Flemish

croissant pls
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>>51158369
>I also know you bullied Luxembourg.
I'm still ashamed of that tb.h
>Besides your royal house being french.
Well, since the french were the ones that helped us gain our independence, it's not that surprising.
The royal family is making huge efforts to calm flemish people tho, their children are basically flemish.
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>>51158369
>Besides your royal house being french.
They're actually German, their last name is "Von Saxen-Coburg".
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>>51158160
>minority
Did you know that, in Brussels, flemish parties have a 50% representation in the local government despite being 15% in the population?
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>>51158573
Apparently they are doing something right then :^)

>>51158555
>>51158490
Hey, I still like you, even if you are Waloons.

Belgians,Dutch and Luxembourger are the best neighbours one can wish for.

>Denmark is also pretty cool.
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>>51144304
It's quite comfy.
We can't do shit, but it's warm inside and the happening is happening, so...
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>>51158645
You're also based desu, Germany
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>>51158462
>he cannot be Fleming and speak French.
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>>51158741
do you live or know anyone in molenbeek?

how bad is it there?
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>>51159212
No.

The TV tell me it's like pic related. I think they exaggerate.
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>tfw your country would be as bad as France or Belgium if it weren't an island

Thank you, based English Channel.
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Belgian arguments always remind me of pic.
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>>51159212
See for yourself.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=scDAFNo2RU4
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>>51159375

But the UK is worse than almost anywhere in Europe, Nigel...
>Millions_raped_by_Paki_pedophile_rings.jpg
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>>51159212
I know someone there but he doesn't live in the bad neighbourhoods so nothing happens for him desu
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>>51159432
This sort of thing happens in every western country, our police just happen to be on top of things.
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>>51159375
Bradford, Blackburn, Birmingham, Slough, Leicester, Luton, Manchester and London are all among the cities with the highest Muslim rates in the EU though

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cities_in_the_European_Union_by_Muslim_population
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>>51150174
We really haven't
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>>51159521
You're the best at this desu
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>>51159531

That's true, but to be fair, we also have a lower % of Muslims than countries like France, Germany, Sweden, Germany, Belgium, etc.
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>>51159521
>This sort of thing happens in every western country
This might surprise you, Nigel, but it actually doesn't.
>our police just happen to be on top of things.
On top of it like a sweaty Paki on an 11 year old, amirite?
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>>51159646
That's mainly due to Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland not having many Muslims.

Those regions lower the overall rate for the UK
But England's Muslim rate alone is on the same level, if not higher, as the countries you mentioned.
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>>51144304
>be Belgian
>can't go to school or university
>stay stupid
>business as usual
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>>51158645
>Apparently they are doing something right then :^)
Not at all, they are GRANTED 50% rep. by law.
They rape democracy and they still play the butthurt game. Go figure.
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>>51159780
>5.02% of the English population
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>>51159878

Is that an AK12?
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>>51159937
So basically like ours.
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>>51160013
Yes, if you arbitrarily cut off certain parts of the UK.
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>>51159937

If there are so few, how come they run rape rings that rival those of famous British institutions such as the BBC? Is it all the kebab and curry money they make?
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>>51147718
by nuking it

thats the only option left by now
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>>51160116
Yeah probably, dishing out the bare bribe money
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>>51159937
>>51160075
So, basically the same as Sweden, Germany, Belgium, etc, which is totally the opposite of what you claimed here >>51159646

>Islam is the second largest religion with results from the United Kingdom Census 2011 giving the UK Muslim population in 2011 as ~2,706,066, ~4.5%
I wonder how many weren't counted/didn't declare themselves/are not legal citizens.
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>>51160155
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>>51149009
Brussels is the heart of the EU, they'd never let them shirk their responsibility to be culturally enriched
>>
We lived in Belgium for 3 years (my Dad is in the Navy and has to relocate a lot). Growing up, I thought it was kinda shitty, cold, and depressing - yet at the same time, somehow warm and comfy when you're staying inside and it's raining (anyone know tfw)?

After we left, we started to miss it, and Mom and even talked about how she wanted to take a vacation and go back there. But after this happened, our thoughts changed to "Thank god we aren't there anymore."
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>>51159158
Flemish is the official language of Flanders.
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>>51160462
You're more than safe if you live somewhere like in the province of Luxembourg, which is also the comfiest part of the country
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>wallonfag here
>blue eyes, pale skin, pure aryan
>was walking in the center of Brussels. Just next to the Royal Palace
>was controlled 3 times in 25 minutes
>mfw
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>>51159884
Just like Walloons are GRANTED 50% representation in the federal government, despite being a minority.

Could you imagine the capital of a country with a majority Flemish population being governed by Francophones?

You shouldn't.
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>>51160215
>So, basically the same as Sweden, Germany, Belgium, etc, which is totally the opposite of what you claimed here >>51159646 (You)
It's not the opposite. The point I'm trying to make is that the UK has fewer Muslims, but has around the same amount only if you count England.

>I wonder how many weren't counted/didn't declare themselves/are not legal citizens.
Probably a very large a number. No one really knows how many undocumented people are in the UK, but it's likely to be in the high hundreds of thousands.
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>>51152446

>mfw Walloon
>mfw I'm reacher than 80% of flemish people
>>
I'd imagine it would be great. No hordes of darkies on the streets.
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>>51160807
>It's not the opposite. The point I'm trying to make is that the UK has fewer Muslims, but has around the same amount only if you count England.
The UK has 4.5% muslims (officially) which is pretty much equal to every country you listed with the exception of France.

That was my point though.
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>>51160848
>reacher

wallonian education, ladies and gentlemen
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>>51161098

richer**

my bad. Slept 3 hours last night. Fuckin tired
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>>51160763
I count 6 MR Ministers, that's barely 35% of the fed gov if you count the 4 Secretaries of State.

Coalitions are expected to be a representation of the poll.

I don't mind the 50% rep. rule as long as Flemings stop bitching about not being represented.
The clusterfuck that Brussels has become is also the responsability of the flemish parties that are in (50%) charge.
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>>51144304
Like in Middle East.

RESPECT MUSLIM CULTURE!!!1111

LET MUSLIM OUTNUMBER US!!!!111
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>>51161859

When will you all return to the motherland?
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>>51162024
Sig Heel Nederland
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>>51162024
Not him, but the Dutch posters here hate us more than the Flemings for some odd reason.
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>>51162337
They're jealous because the flemings actually hate the dutch even more than walloons desu
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>>51162337

Because you're basically the reason why Vlaanderen cannot just be the 13th province again.

>>51162404

Kijk, hij vind ons lief <3
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>>51162404
Not really, from my experience most Flemmings see Walloons as lazy and poor. When we talk about Walloons it's mostly negative.
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>>51162644
Of course, they hate them, but as I said they hate the dutch even more
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>>51162489
>Because you're basically the reason why Vlaanderen cannot just be the 13th province again.

Well I think they can decide for themselves. If they wanted to become independent and join the Netherlands, they'd do it.
Even separatists don't necessarily want to join the Dutch.
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>>51162024
Mother-innersea, you mean?
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>>51161859
Shit like Molenbeek is the mayor's fault.

>>51158573
>in Brussels, flemish parties have a 50% representation in the local government despite being 15% in the population
Lol no they don't.
The "ministers" are 5 French vs 3 Dutch, and the Brussels parliament is 72 French vs 17 Dutch.
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>>51162731

Krulbroodje AUB. De maan, de wind en WIJ.
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>>51163060
>Shit like Molenbeek is the mayor's fault.
I see this everywhere but I doubt he has every power over his commune. Could you be more specific?
>>
Ixelles/Elsene reporting in. When I was out a few hours ago things were fine really. Tabacs open, bus functioning... In the Luxembourg station everything was dead, though. And the military was patrolling.
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>>51163189
For one thing, local mayors dictate police efforts, or lack thereof in the case of Molenbeek.
Once the Muslims realize they can get away with murder in Molenbeek, that kind of news spreads quickly.
>>
I see many nederdraad retards posting about Brussels without even knowing it.

I've been living in Ixelles for two and a half years and really it's all good. The whole place is being gentrified, which makes things even better. Only in the north the once-rich neighborhoods turned to shit because of immigrants and poverty. But even then the gentrification process is changing things, especially in Schaerbeek.
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>>51145809
>25% muslims
lmao those are estimations from 2008
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>>51162689
Nope not really, I know more famous Dutch people than Walloon, I have literally 0 Wallonian friends. Just look at /int/'s nederdraad, we'd rather share a general with Dutchies than a Belgian one.
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>>51163443
Reliable figures are hard to come by since Belgium doesn't like to keep official statistics on ethnicities.
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>>51163060
>The Government of the Brussels-Capital Region is composed of a minister-president, 4 ministers – two French speakers and two Dutch speakers – and three secretaries of state.

That's 3 Dutch speakers out of 7 in the actual gov. I don't know which one would agree to be cut in half.
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>>51163656
It's 5 French vs 3 Dutch.
That's overrepresentation, but not 50/50 like that post said.
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>>51163456
>Just look at /int/'s nederdraad, we'd rather share a general with Dutchies than a Belgian one.

Well it's fucking /int/ aka /pol/-lite. Almost everyone is far right, of course they're gonna stick together and believe they're the true masterrace. it's really not representative of what the general population thinks and does.
Also we really don't need another autistic general in English t.b.h.
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>>51163946
>Almost everyone is far right

Kek. Sure.
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>>51163946
I think it's a lot more to do with the fact that a /Belg/ general would necessarily have to be almost exclusively in French.
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>>51163758
You shouldn't count the president in as he, as every head of governments, is supposed to be neutral since he has to deal with a coalition.
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>>51164123
Of course he counts.
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>>51163320
>they can get away with murder in Molenbeek
Dude what the fuck are you even talking about
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>>51164165
Of course he doesn't.
>>
Belgian king should just announce an era of absolutism to ignore the massive multinational beaurocracy clusterfuck and get something done.
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>>51163432
>But even then the gentrification process is changing things, especially in Schaerbeek.
This desu, it's pretty funny seeing the rich neighbourhoods slowly spreading from the south in Schaerbeek
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>>51164317
get away with murder
1. Lit. to commit murder and not get punished for it. (See also get away with something.) Don't kill me! You can't get away with murder!
2. Fig. to do something very bad and not get punished for it.
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>>51164085
Just look at this thread, m8.
You can't deny /int/ (and 4chan as a whole for that matter) isn't really know for its mainstream opinions.

>>51164106
I think the Belgian threads started off in English and end up in Dutch due to all the Dutch posters stopping by.
I still think English would be the best option for a general because it's neutral... but like I said, I don't think we need another general, especially one that's not even international.
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>>51147070
>There was a Belgian chap saying that in order to prevent attacks like the ones in Paris, the French government has to give more space to Muslims for them to be Muslim.
Sounds like he's intimidate France
>LET US CONQUER YOU PEACULLY(if raping girls and one-side tolerance is peacful) OR WE WILL KILL YOU
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>>51164383
>>51163432
The poverty and unemployment rates in Brussels have both been climbing, as well as the terrorism obviously.

But keep telling yourself Brussels is getting better.
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>>51147121
Thank you
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>>51164893
t. flemish that doesn't know shit about the city
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>>51164106
But it's the better language, desu sempai.
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>>51164951
>who cares about statistics and facts, listen to my feelings!
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>>51164973
Never said that, there is a gap between the statistics and their intepretation. What I'm criticizing is your interpretation, not the stats.
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>>51164963
>no difference between "good morning" and "good day"
>better language
>>
Why are belgians and dutch women the biggest coal burners in Europe
Why are there so many blacks and muslims in those countries
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>>51165023
Right.

Because a rise in unemployment and poverty rate doesn't mean Brussels is getting worse right?
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>>51165087
It doesn't necessarily means that the neighbourhoods are getting worse, indeed.
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>>51157718
>Kinda childish
Christophe pls
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>>51165137
Higher unemployment and poverty rate obviously means larger "bad" neighborhoods.
>>
Gezindte des vredigheid.
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>>51165064
>Why are belgians and dutch women the biggest coal burners in Europe

Source? Never heard of that one.

>Why are there so many blacks and muslims in those countries

Both are within the average for Western Yurop.
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>Going to Brussel next week because my prof insists in visiting the european parliament
>mfw
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>>51152730
>Part Hungarian
>Studies in Macedonia

Croat or Vojvodinian Serb is my guess.
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>>51165196
Meanwhile the crime rate is diminishing. As if the two weren't directly correlated. Weird, right?
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>>51165242
>Source
all those pics and the entire belgian and dutch teams are mullatos
>average
Ok maybe its because you lads are small it shows up more
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>>51165247
RIP Hans
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>>51148015
skepta is nice bruv
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>>51165277
I wouldn't put too much stock in crime statistics from Brussels.

Friend of mine got his earbuds mugged from him by a gaggle of Moroccans, and police laughed in his face when he tried to report the theft.
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>>51165425
Weird because a friend of mine lost his brand new Xperia Z and made a fake violent theft report to get a free new one thanks to the insurance, something like a month ago.
I'm pretty sure they know this stuff happens and they account for it.
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>>51165034
That's only because we never get up before noon.
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>>51165480
Good insurance.

The fact that they fell for it only confirms how shitty Brussels is.
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>>51165570
>>The fact that they fell for it only confirms how shitty Brussels is.
How the fuck does it means that? How were they supposed to know he was lying?
You're so desperate to prove your opinion right that you're grasping on anything.
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>>51165322
>all those pics and the entire belgian and dutch teams are mullatos

Well it seems brown people run fast, what can I say? I don't see how that makes Belgian and Dutch women "the biggest coalburners in Europe"
(Also our best players are white)

>Ok maybe its because you lads are small it shows up more

Could be.
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>>51165670
>How the fuck does it means that?
If I told my insurance I got violently mugged in my rural hometown, they wouldn't believe me.
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>>51165721
>comparing a rural hometown to a capital city
I won't even bother anymore.
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>>51165788
It's an extreme example.

You're pretty thick, aren't you?
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>>51165570
>thinks insurance fraud is pretty normal
>complains the "big city" is full of criminals
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>>51166194
>thinks insurance fraud is pretty normal
Wait, I do?
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>>51166619
Yes. And it's not pretty.
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i find this to be an interesting thread.

but i'm from america, and reading is for faggots, so does any belgianbro want to sum up these last 300+ posts into a paragraph or less for me? thanks m8s
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>>51167165
flemish are really butthurt about brussels
but they do have some pertinent points and the city has some big failings because of its (too) complex organization
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>>51159391
duration 9:11
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>>51167165
Brussels is fine. Mainly because everybody is staying home, frozen by dread.
I guess if Godzilla do wake up for good, we'll send the droids.
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>>51167165
Brussels became 25% Muslim on the Walloons' watch, and as such has become effectively broken.

Because we all know what happens when Muslims reach a certain percentage of the population.
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>>51167650
>25% Muslim
Will you guys stop? Because no one has been able to prove that number to me in this thread
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>>51167767
>http://www.npdata.be/BuG/100/
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>>51167261
>>51167588
>>51167650
thanks

I find this topic interesting because I have an acquaintance from Brussels added on steam. he messaged me last night out of the blue talking about the raids and how it's pretty scary over there. He also went on to mention how the terror level is at it's highest and everything is closed. Pretty scary stuff, makes me think of Boston right after the marathon bombings.

I thought (in my limited knowledge) Brussels was supposed to equally dutch as it is french speaking? why/how did walloons take over
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>>51167767
http://www.npdata.be/BuG/100/

>In het Brusselse gewest is 25,5% moslim of een kwart van de Brusselse Bevolking. In het Vlaamse gewest zijn er 3,9%, moslims, in Wallonië 4%.
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>>51167855
>>51167910
I already explained to you guys that this source is biased garbage that's making a shitton of fallacious assumptions. The only time it quotes an actual source with actual numbers is the CIA factbook at the beginning.
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>>51167887
It's like 17% Flemish, the rest is Francophone.

Francophones have been trying to turn Flemish-speaking Belgium into French-speaking Belgium since the birth of Belgium in 1830, with mandatory French everything.

The only big city where this actually worked was Brussels.

Brussels was still majority Flemish during WWII, but a combination of immigration from Francophone areas in Europe and North Africa, and forced "Frenchification" (French mandatory schools, French mandatory media, etc.) made it a majority French city.

And then things went south really quickly.
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>>51168169
Just take your losses and leave.
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>>51168288
We did, Brussels became an autonomous "region".
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>>51168333
I mean let Belgium fall apart into three or four pieces.
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>>51168372
It kind of is like that already, we have a fuckton of "governments" as a result.

And with N-VA in charge in Flanders, these regions are thankfully growing more and more apart, with more and more competences for the regions and fewer for the federal govt.
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>>51168147
http://www.npdata.be/Data/Vreemdelingen/Inhoud.htm

Check out all the sources here, this was the basis for the part about the Muslim percentages in Brussels. The link in the main article to this is broken.
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>>51168586
>linking directly origin to religion
wew lads
Very serious stats indeed
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>>51168169
The autism is strong in this one.
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>>51168688
If you're from Morocco, there's a 98.7% chance you're Muslim.

The npdata source actually accounts for that. Maybe you should actually read the article.
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>>51168431
Dat heet aanmodderen.
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>>51168751
>If you're from Morocco, there's a 98.7% chance you're Muslim.
And how do you determine that number?
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>>51168787
The npdata source uses the CIA world factbook.

Again, READ the article.
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>>51168787
>I'm incapable of using google
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>>51168827
Then they're using the percentage of muslims in Morocco. This is where I wanted to come.

The thing is that obviously a part of those will get secularized in Belgium. That number is obviously wrong. If you live in Morocco, you have a 98.7% chance of being a muslim. If you come from Morocco, this is undetermined.
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>>51168688
leftist detected
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>>51168940
>That number is obviously wrong. If you live in Morocco, you have a 98.7% chance of being a muslim. If you come from Morocco, this is undetermined.

Really? Tu le fais exprès ou quoi?
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>>51168827
>>51168901
Logical fallacy: You can't automatically link a religious faith to the country of origin.
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>>51168954
>having a rigorous methodology is being a leftist
Okay.
I'm just tired of flemish spouting bullshit on Brussels desu, I vote FDF.
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>>51169007
How can you say with a straight face that the percentage of muslims in immigrants of 2nd or 3rd generation from a certain country is the same as the percentage of muslims in that country? Seriously?
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>>51169027
>Défi
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>>51169089
That new name is fucking shit
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>>51169013
m8, If you come from Morocco, there's an 98% change you're a muslim.
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>>51168940
>a part of those will get secularized in Belgium
Got any figures on Muslims in Brussels disavowing their faith or converting?

>>51169027
Accusing a study of doing something it didn't do is "rigorous methodology"?

>>51169013
The npdata study doesn't do that.

>>51169079
It's a very fair way of going about it.
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>>51169190
What if I don't come from Morocco, senpai?
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>>51169253
Then you won't be counted as a Moroccan, obviously.
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>>51169233
>Got any figures on Muslims in Brussels disavowing their faith or converting?
Absolutely not, that's why I'm not spouting bullshit numbers.
>Accusing a study of doing something it didn't do is "rigorous methodology"?
My bad if it didn't do it, my dutch is rusty, but that's what >>51168827 was implying.
>It's a very fair way of going about it.
Not really but if you're being this dishonest about it, either you don't know stats or this discussion is just hopeless.
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>>51169013
There are officially 69 mosques in Brussels, 19 in Molenbeek. You must be joking if you think that 25% of the Brussels' population isn't muslim.
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>>51169290
>doesn't get the sarcasm
Autism is indeed strong with this one.
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>>51169374
>logical fallacy again
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>>51169346
>Absolutely not, that's why I'm not spouting bullshit numbers.
So why are you assuming Muslims in Brussels have disavowed their faith or converted in a way that would meaningfully modify the npdata numbers?

>that's what >>51168827 was implying
That post was implying the opposite.

According to the CIA world factbook, 98.7% of Morocco is Muslim.

The npdata study takes that into account, therefore the npdata study does not directly link origin to religion.

>Not really
Are you really saying it's dishonest to assume that about 98.7% of Moroccan immigrants will be Muslim if 98.7% of Moroccans are Muslim?

>>51169450
>again
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>>51169374
Wait a sec. There are muslims in Brussels? You best be kidding, m8!
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>>51169386
That's not how sarcasm works.
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>>51169538
>So why are you assuming Muslims in Brussels have disavowed their faith or converted in a way that would meaningfully modify the npdata numbers?
Because religious faith is continuously plummeting in post-industrial societies.
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>>51169831
Not the Muslim faith.
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>>51169851
>citation needed
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>>51169538
>So why are you assuming Muslims in Brussels have disavowed their faith or converted in a way that would meaningfully modify the npdata numbers?
I don't know if they are, but those still exist, and assuming they aren't relevant without any basis is a huge fallacy.

>Are you really saying it's dishonest to assume that about 98.7% of Moroccan immigrants will be Muslim if 98.7% of Moroccans are Muslim?
Yes.
>>51169851
Muslims are growing in general but that is not accounting for nationalities, so it gives some kind of indication but not anything else.
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>>51170073
You want a source for the fact that Muslims tend to stay Muslims after migration? Lmao.

Even the ones who stop going to mosque, and start drinking and smoking still identify as Muslims.

>>51170214
>assuming they aren't relevant without any basis is a huge fallacy
There is a basis: the fact that Muslims don't just lose their faith.

Because there's punishment involved for one.

>Yes.
Then you're a retard.

The guy who wrote the npdata himself acknowledges that he's making an estimate, because there simply aren't any official figures.

If you have a problem that the number of Muslims is being estimated at all, you're a retard.

If you think his methods are wrong, please suggest a better way of doing it.

>it gives some kind of indication but not anything else
That's the point of the npdata study, obviously.
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>>51170634
>There is a basis: the fact that Muslims don't just lose their faith.
We'll have to say that to my uni comrade from Morocco who doesn't give a shit about religion, says he's an atheist and drinks alcohol at every party now that he left his country then, kek.
>Because there's punishment involved for one.
What the fuck are you even on about?

>If you have a problem that the number of Muslims is being estimated at all, you're a retard.
No, I'm only having issues with this number being thrown around like an absolute truth, especially when all other sources (not really good either) give a significantly lower number.
There are a lot of factors that can make an estimate go very wrong.
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>>51170634
>I can't figure out real numbers, so made up ones are fine
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