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Toronto is the greatest city in North America. Prove me wrong tbqh

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Toronto is the greatest city in North America.

Prove me wrong tbqh
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>>51124315
>implying canada is relevant as a whole
>implying Miami isnt the next major world city
Miami-fag reporting
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>>51124315
Too cold and no one cares about it.

Isn't Toronto famous for being used to film and re-create other places and cities?

Sorry man, that's a bit rough.
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>>51124315
how do Canadians pronounce Toronto?
There is a Toronto nearby, locals say 'ronno' and non-locals say 'tronno'
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if you're brown or a business man maybe

if you're a student Montréal is much better pêh
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There are so many greater cities than Toronto in North America, I can't even imagine how many would need to be nuked before Toronto was even in the running for "great" city

For goodness' sake, it has a smaller metro population than Houston and only slightly more culture, which is a really low bar
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In no particular order, a list of better cities:
1. New York
2. Chicago
3. Boston
4. San Francisco
5. Seattle
6. Dallas
7. Houston
8. Kansas City
9. St. Louis
10. Washington, D.C.
11. Miami
12. San Diego
13. Salt Lake City
14. Denver

I'm willing to consider that Toronto might be the 15th greatest city in North America.
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>>51128679
None of those cities are even in the top 30 most livable cities in the world.

>be American
>get shot
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>>51124619
>australian pronunciation
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>>51129803
This tbqh.
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>>51124619

we pronounce all the fucking letters in the word you fucking convict shit
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>>51127600
The Economist rated it the best city in the world
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Montreal > Vancouver >>>> Toronto
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That architect/urban planner Jane Jacobs argued Toronto was the best city in the world.

She claimed the way the downtown was made - to have mixed residential and commercial areas, creates the best environment to live in. Better community/less violence.
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>>51124458
Fucking kek Miami will be underwater in 10 years
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>>51130679
Honnestly Toronto is just one big suburb, like most north american cities except NYC, san francisco, boston etc.
Your downtown is literally lifeless past 6pm when everyone's in their car commuting in traffic for hours to get back to their little home.
Public transit is antrocious, worst than vancouver's.
Nightlife is shitty, last call for booze in clubs is around 1-2am (lmao)
the only good thing in this city is business
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>>51124619
i've lived in the gta for 20+ years and i pronounce all the letters. supposedly some people say torono
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Leafs and their shit cities can get fucked
>>51129104
>>51129104
>>51129104
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>>51130482
the economist is owned by the rothschilds
...but they're not being far from correct. central toronto is good. the farther you go into the suburbs the worse it gets.
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>>51131264
people prefer jap and korean cars here
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Toronto will ALWAYS be the capital of fake sex assault cases desu

>muh 'everything is rape, don't touch you filthy cis male' feminism
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>>51124619
The locals pronounce it Tronno. Everyone else calls it Toronto.
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Daily reminder the only cities with a higher ranking in a compilation of global city rankings are NYC, London, Hong Kong, Paris, Singapore, Tokyo, and Sydney.
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>>51131299
PICKERING IS WHITE
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>>51131394
Cherono
Two syllables
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>>51128679
agree, possbly 16 though portland is nice
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>>51128679

Those cities are mostly gay and shit. Suck my dick dude
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Please forgive this nigger being rude, nobody but Toronto likes Toronto, please America nuke Toronto
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Toronto is just a strip mall with some office buildings
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>>51131470
Go to bed Fred
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>>51124315
Go away, Drake.
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>best north american city
>not charlottetown

Pathetic
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>>51124458
>the city of Cuba
Jacksonville here
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Toronto is just a wannabe NY.
t. Ex-Torontonian living in NY.
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>Toronto
>making it past the ALCS

pick one and only one
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>>51131581
Thats Dallas you're thinking of
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>>51131681

With your city experiences you're probably a huge faggot desu
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>>51131713
delete this
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>>51131681
Toronto is more like Chicago than New York. We don't have any analogs to NY.
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>>51131720
That's every city in the midwest and sunbelt with the exception of Chicago you're thinking of.
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>>51131807
Toronto is at least better than fucking Chicago
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>>51131755
>lives in the sticks unironically
kek
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>>51124619
I generally hear "che-rawno"
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It's occupied by anglos.
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>>51131771
ayyyyyy
Where my KC nigs at?
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Montreal and Hongcouver are better tbqh
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>>51131836

>living in NZ unironically

kek
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>>51124315
>implying
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>>51131822
Fuckin lel
Chicago actually has a decent public transit system you would expect from a world class city and has a far more rich architectural heritage than that shit conglomeration of post-modern abominations known as Toronto

>b-b-but niggers though!
At least we won't be getting flooded with chinks and ragheads.
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>>51131850
Pls stop
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>>51131926
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>>51131850
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>>51131926
>>51131965
>tfw I live in a comfy suburb of Chicago
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>>51132063
>suburb
ew
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>>51132188
It's pretty cozy here in Lake Forest
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>>51131965
this is why I love cities
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>>51132354
Any good urban living in Australia or NZ?

Seems like Australia is nothing but cookie cutter suburbs. It looks like a 30 year old white soccer mom heaven.
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>>51128679
>DC
>San Francisco
>Seattle
>good

Jesus Christ, dude.
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>>51132209

>lake forest

Nice lake name. Chicago is now 0/10 for dumb lake name
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>>51132400
none. absolutely none. I live in Auckland and it's like it has been auto-generated to meet the criteria of a city but none of the wonder. I seriously need to move.
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>>51131822
Toronto aspires to be Chicago
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>>51132468
Nothing wrong with D.C.
The nigs all live in the suburbs in Virginia now. Hell I think the nigger displacement in D.C. is the #1 reason VA is a blue state now.
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>>51132513
You have no idea what you're talking about
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>>51132400
Despite all the memers on here, Melbourne is nice. Has lots of well preserved colonial/victorian architecture. Sydney's worth a visit too.
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>>51132488
The one thing that always kind of got me was how Australia ranks consistently the highest for livable cities. Now don't get me wrong, Australian cities are clean and modern as fuck, but it just seems like the cities "proper" are just filled with parking garages and stale office buildings and the cities outside of Melbourne aren't very walkable desu. The most livable cities I have every seen are probably German ones desu.
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>>51132587
>filled with parking garages and stale office buildings
Thats more like American cities. The Central Business districts of our major cities are usually quite walkable and have plenty to do. Also, aside from Sydney they don't shut down at night because a lot of people actually live there as well.
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>>51132582
Yeah Melbourne was nice, if a bit too "ethnic" than what I was expecting for Australia. Perth and Brisbane were absolutely soulless and boring as fuck, but I wouldn't mind living because the cities had some nice green space though. Sydney was kind of a disappointment but I am glad I went though. Could use a better public transit system desu
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>>51132550
D.C is considerably better now than it was 20 years ago.
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>>51132689
No shit, but what you're saying about Virginia is completely wrong.
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>>51132653
>public transport
Thats one of the main gripes I have about Sydney. It's because the rich nimbys blocked lots of railway developments back in the 70's/80's in the fear that it would attract poor people to their suburbs. Melbourne's geography is also much more conducive various sorts of public transport, so we've traditionally invested more into it.
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>>51131822
When most people think of Toronto, I am pretty sure that they just picture Chicago and replace the nice architecture with shit internationalist/post-modern stuff and erase a few million people. Also, remove history

t. Not even from Chicago
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>>51132772
This. The one advantage of Toronto is less crime.
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>>51131299
>not showing burlington
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>>51132734
>M-m-muh indesirables
I agree this shit has got to end. Everywhere in America where there has been significant public transit investment young white professionals have moved in. Hopefully now that Abbot is gone and Turnbull is in, you will have significantly more transit investment.
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>>51132854
Yep, Melbourne is about to construct a new metro line and is also modernising the existing infrastructure to increase hourly carrying capacity. I'm also excited for next year; we'll be joining the few cities in the world to have 24/7 trains (and trams, buses etc). Quite impressive for a city of our size I think.
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>>51131299
>tfw I've only lived in dark green areas because I'm poor.
Acutally, I don't even mind it. Some of the nicest people I've ever met were immigrant housemates. I've lived with recent immigrants from Iran, India, Saudia Ariabia, Jordan, China, Pakistan... but the worst housemates were all low-income white people.
Last week my Iranian housemate made me eat a bunch of boiled turnips and drink lime-honey tea because I was sick. It didn't do anything, but it was a nice gesture.
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>>51132689
What? So now it's a healthy shit? No more blood in the stool?
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>>51132772
>erase a few million people
?
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>>51132468
>Seattle
>Not the best mid-size city in North America
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>>51132354
What is it that you like?
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>>51132977
Looks like qausi-latin/spanish architecture. I like it though.
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>>51132854
It's not just about blacks anymore, people will complain about anything nowadays.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e1AbLu5EZLk
In order to run more commuter trains where I live, they need to expand the yard to fit more tracks, and even though the agency already owns the land, and it isn't developed at all, people are flipping their shit, and some politicians are trying to get them to stop. It's funny, because then they'll complain that there aren't enough trains. Thank god they're still going through with it, I'd be pissed if they didn't.
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>>51124315
I hear it's a festering shithole full of nasty people with a bad attitude.
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>>51133151
maybe but we're one of the few cities in north america with streecars
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>>51124315

Taking the bait here:

This is the one, single stupidest post I've read on 4chan this month.
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>>51133183
Quite a lot of cities in North America have streetcars
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>>51133209
Why? Because Vancouver is slightly better?
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>>51133223
Every major city in europe has streetcars.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Motors_streetcar_conspiracy
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>>51133067
It's full of hipsters and SJWs. It's shit. The only nice thing they have is cozy weather.
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>>51133230
Any list that calls Zurich livable should be automatically discarded
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>>51133256
You know that really only happened in California. Streetcars. were going out of style by 1920
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>>51133183
How fast are street cars? Not that my city really needs them/has the space for them, but I'd like to ride one.
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>>51133015
Toronto is smaller than Houston
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>>51133294
I don't know the details beyond
"There is no question that a GM-controlled entity called National City Lines did buy a number of municipal trolley car systems. And it's beyond doubt that, before too many years went by, those street car operations were closed down. It's also true that GM was convicted in a post-war trial of conspiring to monopolize the market for transportation equipment and supplies sold to local bus companies. "
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>>51133256
I was talking about America not Europe but OK.

Yes the GM streetcar buyup and sell-out happened but a lot of cities are coming back though.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Light_rail_in_the_United_States#List_of_light_rail_systems_operating_in_the_United_States
34 cities in this list. Granted most of these systems aren't as large as Toronto's though.
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>>51133303
>How fast are street cars?
Not sure but they provide a very smooth ride, especially compared to busses.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R_Nc74sh0LA
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>>51133230

If you value comfort above all else then yes, another Canadian city would be a reasonable substitute by your metric. This is enough to validate me. But OP's prompt was "greatest". This implies notions like alpha, world-consequence, long-term historical consequence - at least in the recent relevant (European) history of North America.

Our own red-staters may resent the admission, but New York is an obvious first choice. I would be interested to see head-to-head data between LA, Chicago, DC and Toronto.

Canada, you are my best friend, and I love you. But come on. It's 2015 brah
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>>51133319
That happened in California. In Chicago the streetcars were around until 1960. No one wanted to buy a failing business though
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I used to like Toronto, but that was before I came to live here.

If this is the best city in the world, I can't even imagine how other cities are.

(although european cities from norway or switzerland may be much better than this)
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>>51133565
In which part of Toronto do you live? There are some really shit parts and some great parts.
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>>51133001
This, senpai

It's this kind of thing that's prevented me from being racist. I've met saintly people of every race/nationality and I've met horrible, disgusting people of every race/nationality.
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Toronto should be french too, because feminism is a shit.
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>>51133504
>a failing business
This type of thinking is why US cities are a mess. Having a streetcar line as opposed to a bus line adds a higher value to the area because they're more comfortable and classier modes of transport, imo.
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>>51133602
west side near dufferin and st clair
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>>51133001
>>51133628
I went to a high school in mississauga. Caribs are pretty terrible on average. And they *all* took basic stream courses.
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>>51133683
What's so bad about it?
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>>51133663

White flight was in full effect by 1960, nothing was going to attract people back to the inner city.
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>>51133745
That's stinks. Oddly Toronto has an inverted distribution of whites:
>>51131299
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>>51133663
Chicago had the L lines already in place and 2 subway lines
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>>51133628

That's nice, but your personal positive experiences can be corrrectly adjudged incorrect in the general case by means of inspection.

In particular, black culture is objectively worse everywhere you might ever care to look.
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>>51132474
Umm Lake Forest is the town name, we're located on Lake Michigan
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>>51133765

A lot of US cities are developing that sort of distribution of as whites move into the cities.
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>>51133900
Met a Canadian tourist once that asked if it snows in Chicago
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>>51133900
all of the suburbs of Chicago have retarded names with Lake in them
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>>51133964
>people keep calling it chicongo
>wonders why people think it's near the equator
:^)
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Gross. City-dwellers are in this thread.
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>>51134003
Actually only niggers call it that. Are you a nigger?
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>>51124315
hmm
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>>51134015
show some fucking RESPECT you faggot. The medicine and technology you rely on to survive and entertain yourself wasn't invented and built my city dwellers.
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>>51134017
No but I've seen it being called that on /int/ once or twice.
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>>51134058
uh.. I mean "was invented by". Point still stands.
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It is but that's not saying much as North American cities are all shit

t. urbanist
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>>51132818
That's because Burlington is not part of the Toronto CMA. I don't fucking know why it's considered part of the GTA and not the CMA, you would have to ask whoever works at Statistics Canada that question
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>>51133848
One can hate black American 'ghetto' culture without hating all black people.
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>>51133078
late response but it's so many things.
like eating so many different types of foods, hearing music blasting from apartments. seeing streets with different attitudes and styles.
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>>51134321
Not too many people hate *all* of anything m8. I just hate disproportionately many of them.
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>>51134320
I always thought it was part of the Greater Hamilton Area. Anyone that commutes from Burlington to Toronto for work is an absolute madman.
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>>51134341
I like you anon, I moved to the city because I liked the hussle and bustle too. Also I just really like skyscrapers.
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>>51124619
chronno
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>>51131926
>violent niggers are better than chinese
you are a fucking moron
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>>51134076
Those were niggers or people copying them
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>>51134588
Niggers that stay in their own shitholes or leave the city
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>>51134517
you're cool too m8. where did you live before? And do you find it hard to finance living in the city?
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>>51134717
I lived in Tampa, Florida in a suburb in the middle of nowhere. It was terrible and I wouldn't wish it on anybody the closest thing to me was a trailer park 6km away. It isn't too bad, I work a good amount of overtime, but it's because I want to not because I have to. The prices may seem high when you don't live here, but it isn't much if you have a decent job. I'm a package delivery man and I live in a nice neighborhood and don't have any debt.
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>>51134914
that's awesome. I hope to move to your city after my studies finish
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>>51135017
That's a long trip. I wish you luck, but word of advice starting out can be tough so look for roommates to share costs with before setting of on your own. Although that's just general advice for most expensive cities.
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>Used to live in Toronto
>Move to Montreal
>All these fucking homeless people on St. Catherine from Atwater to Berri-UQAM

How the fuck did the homeless problem get so bad here? I'd see homeless people downtown in Toronto, but not as many as I see here.
I like Montreal, but it's made me appreciate some things about Toronto.

Not the TTC though. Fuck the TTC.
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>bud is legal in Canada now
>they still have to go to the LC to buy liquor

JUST
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>>51130222
I'm crying.
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>>51142301
DON'T CRY FRANON!
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