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Can we have a Native American thread? Discuss language, daily life, culture, etc. of American Indian people. Ps Howe from Wanapum m8s
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Breast plates are hard to make desu senpai
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>>51081944
The Fuck is "fry bread"?
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>>51081974
I wouldn't know I've only made wing dresses and other little goodies
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>>51082042
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thread theme: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fWnRMAVWVjk
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welp I got done from helping in the kaatnum today. Bought a lot of stuff for the give away, didn't visit with family much though, just cleaned and stuff. The lahkamine wasn't that good but the smelt was pretty on fleek imo. I had to chew on buckskin today to fix a moccasin family.
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>>51082042
>putting space in frybread
>hasn't ever had frybread
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>>51082042
I gotcha senpai. Do white people just have the worst lives?
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>>51082176
No
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Now that whites are about to be a minority in their ancestral lands I feel a lot more solidarity with natives and I think we should help them reclaim their culture.

I used to get pissed off about the media blaming the natives' meth fueled suicides on whitey but I understand now.

One day soon I will own my own business and I will only hire whites and natives.

Also, moving to the city and Seeing all the old 50 yr old white homeless guys who have 25 yr old native girl friends hopped up on heroin makes me want to raid a homeless camp and smash heads.

Also natives fund the best country radio stations. White country music sucks ass.
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>>51082042
It's like an elephant ear if you've ever had one at a county fair or circus. It can be served as a treat or meal depending on what it's topped with. Frybread is used for Indian tacos and other oishi dishes. I personally like butter and sugar on my frybread in the mornings.
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>>51082416
That's not very Indian spirit of you brothers
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>>51082913
My grandfather is full Europian and he became a native cultural preservist and archeologist after marring my alla. He's gotten to see shit university professors would kill to see, why don't you just become a cultural preservist senpai?
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>>51082913
Don't get me started, I was just at another funeral at the long house today (muh heritage from yesterday) I swear if Indians aren't suiciding, they're drinking themselves to death or ODing. Less and less people are participating culturally to especially since the most important elders and song barers are dying off. Thanks for your support, really feeling like a lost cause right now.
>>51081944
Hay big win for Delani right?
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this should be in /his/ because they dont exist anymore
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>>51083396
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I need some help. How do you maintain eagle feathers? Or any feathers at that.
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>grew up hearing the term "old Indian trick" growing up
>used to say all the time
>tfw 1/8
>can't say with white people around because political correct sjws
White people can't decide which way they want to opress non whites now. It went from /pol/ tier to /tumblr/ tier quick within these last couple years. They've fucked up our perfectly systemised gender roles too. Wtf
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>>51084259
>why can't white people cant keep their women under control.jpg
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>>51083543
Please no Sicialians
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I'm amerindian (Tarahumara), what is frybread? sounds nasty D:
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>>51083199
I suck at schooling stuff, I'm a tradesman and I can run my own business well enough but I'll never be one of those university types and I'll never fit in with them.

Sorry but I could never be a cultural preservationist, I work with my hands.
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>>51084614
It looks bland but is pretty good. It's easy to make too. Just try it out for yourself, you can probably find some at your local pow wow
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=CB60S9WVgbs
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posting

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=90U2IqXEvSM
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>>51084746
Why don't you just work for a tribe then? My dad went from manager of a restraint to an IT Director for a tribe casino in just a couple years, he makes bank and gets tribal browny points.
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>>51084746
>thinking cultural presearvist needs Uni smarts
>>51084832
Ayy lmao
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Reminder that mesoamericans are native masterrace
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>>51084820
This movie and pow wow highway are a god damn blessing https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5bctCV38FfU
>>51085040
I'm white and I believe this
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I once heard a person speaking Tlingit in a video and that shit sounded kinda similar to my mother tongue Adyghe, kinda scary.
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>>51085040
Icaans and Mayans where shits though
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>Frybread
>Authentic indian food
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>>51085188
Geronimo pls go
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>>51084868
>>51084934
Tbh I'm planning to migrate to australia soon.

Best of luck and of wishes to you guys though.

I've been thinking of going to native protests though and lending my voice about all the 50 year old white homeless guys in the alleys behind my building who have 20-30 year old native girlfriends all hopped up on all sorts of drugs. It sick, it's disgusting, it's bad for the community and for the girls. The municipal and provincial governments need to do something about native girls in relationships with 20-30 year age gaps that involve drugs. It's demeaning to both races and it's quite frankly disgusting. There is enough angry young native and also white boys out there who could really start knocking the heads of these crusty old fucks if the government won't do anything about it.

People talk about the missing and murdered indigenous women a lot but noone speaks about the age gap and drug use in these homeless couplings.

The aboriginal community deserves better than to be exploited by crusty old guys with drugs.
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>>51085187
I don't know why, but the name "Tlingit" sounds like a fictional language.
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>>51085243
Blood drinker
>>51085187
Well lots of people believe there was travel around in ancient times. Like there was remains of a Japanese person up here from over 1000 yrs ago with a ton of ndn stuff so idk, bretty spoopy.
>>51084832
dadfu
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>>51081944
Why hello redskins! I was just in the neighborhood and thought this looked like a good thread to start a discussion about white people in, could I interest you in trading this thread for a few of these fancy glass beads and perhaps a bottle or two of "firewater?" No? Ok well why don't you take a few free blankets on me, it's going to be a cold winter so be sure to get them wrapped around all your women and children!
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>>51085250
You're a good man white standing eagle
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>>51085307
Well there's also this hypothesis https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dené–Caucasian_languages
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>>51085355
>free blankets on me
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>tfw my grandfather was chickasaw but I look white as fuck
>tfw there are only a couple hundred full-blooded chickasaw left

They kind of deserved to be exterminated. Making deals with the USA to enslave other tribes and other dirty tricks... we were the Jews of North America.
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>>51085199
>can't handle frybread power level
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Do people of mixed Spanish and Amerindian heritage identify more with their European or native ancestors? I have a mestizo friend who talks crankily about how the Spanish raped his ancestors and that intrigued me.
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>>51085488
Degenerates just like Navajo. I'm Mescalero Apache, but I'm only 1/8 an blood quantum laws make me non able to be signed to certain reservations but at least I can say I'm related to the only people who won against the whites.
>>51085250
I wish you good health and luck too friend :)
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>>51085591
I'm not sure, lots of us are salty twards all illegal immigrants quietly but I've never seen anyone be disrespectful in public about it except for SpeaksTheTruth here >>51084832
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>>51085199
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>>51084556
Blackfoots and Souix are the worst though
>>51085199
I mentioned other foods here but it went unnoticed >>51082329
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>>51085601
Well at least my grandmother was Dutch. We wuz windniggers and shit
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>>51082913
Kinda feel sad knowing that the pre-colonization lifestyle will never ever be attainable again. I'm not native but the whole doing nothing all day and going out to hunt buffalo every now and then is a dream. Now it's all mortgages, downpayments, interest and taxes.
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>>51085591
Depends. I here a lot of the "whiter" Mexicans are pretty racist. the use Oaxacas as a derogatory word for indeginous people or short brown people. And people on here say in mexico city it is hard to find a job if you are brown. But then there are lots of people who are very close to indigenous traditions, especially in the south.
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>>51084259
>>51084294
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>>51085488
I feel it man, mix blood problemz
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>>51086173
the whiter mexicans i know talk good about aztec and the mesoamerican civilization then when they see someone who is full blooded they proceed to talk shit doesnt make any sense
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>>51085355
>tfw gave away at least 20 fleece blankets to give away today
>tfw whitest person there
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>>51081944
Natives are top bros.

It's fucking annoying though that Anglo-Americans have such a retarded hard on for "le mystic medicine man indian" and go and "promote/protect/stop culturally appropriating" natives while literally doing the exact opposite and spearheading their problems. If I had a dollar for every dreamcatcher I've seen being sold at the Navajo reservation or Pueblos, I'd be a rich man.

To add to that I always get fuckers that invoke the "muh ancestors, muh genocide" argument when talking about the individuality of my own culture, and literally every time anybody uses it, they are either white or mestizo and do not live on a reservation or speak any native languages.

I'm sorry Indi-bros
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>>51086550
Does the dream catcher style appropriation actually harm abo cultures?

In the US how do you determine who gets to be considered an abo? What are the requirements?
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>>51086641
More white factories sell dream catchers and kachina dolls than actual natives
>>51086550
Hay I'm the 1/8 from earlier. Honestly I get people invading on my space about this a lot because I'm white but I give back to the tribe and my family gives a LOT back to the tribe. Shit I'm related to tribal leaders and I get this, it's not fair that just because I'm white I get shunned by natives who don't know me (but mostly white people).
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>>51086641
>>51086641
On the east coast I wouldn't consider them real, but there are groups that follow traditions and are legally considered tribes but generally are just white or black people with 1/8 native ancestry.

In the midwest and southwest you have substantial tribes of people who are either fully genetically native american or majority native, live on reservations and can (some of them) communicate with each other in their native languages. I only really know anything about the Puebloans and Navajo though.

iirc you can be considered abo if you can prove native ancestry of more than 1/8 and get a "certificate of indian blood" but I think that's fucking retarded. I'm not sure about getting a whole tribe recognized.

Appropriation harms abo cultures in that it's forcing them all to assimilate into what anglos imagine them as, because the vast majority of natives are in poverty, and many make money off of selling native art. Where it hurts them is in that the people that buy their expensive stuff can't differentiate between and don't really care about what is legitimately from the culture of who they're buying from. This leads natives to just sell what anglos want to buy, which is shit like dreamcatchers or mexican blankets shipped in from china (I know a person who does this) and mark them up tenfold from the actual cultural stuff that they sell to each other, because they make more money off of the fake stuff. That's not to say that everybody does that, but it's very noticeable and IMO is making those of them who do not live on the inner parts of reservations lose their culture. The same shit is happening at a faster rate for my culture as well, but I'm not native and that's a whole different set of shit.

Basically anglos that "care about minorities" don't know shit about what they're talking about and are only talking about black people
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>>51087037
black people and mexicans I should say
>>51086802
I know what you mean man. The difference is that you have an actual direct connection whereas I would say that most people who pull the 1/8 card only have that ancestry as an accumulation of distant ancestors (which is almost always the case with people who use that shit on me). It sucks to be a Genizaro, right? Honestly, if you know what you're talking about, I don't have any problem regardless of ethnicity. For some reason though, when it comes to Native American and Spanish American cultures, nobody knows what they're talking about 99% of the time.
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>>51087037
Damn this post hurts. Yeah it's really upsetting that this happens but I see it legit everywhere, I can't go to any reservation without seeing this happen. I wish more people cared about us, it's so hard watching a culture die right in front of you and there's nothing you can do about it.
>if you can prove native ancestry of more than 1/8 and get a "certificate of indian blood" but I think that's fucking retarded. I'm not sure about getting a whole tribe recognized.
My dad never got my sibling and I signed to a reservation because he thinks this is dumb too . He says "you ain't have to prove your Indian" and "as long as you have one drop of Indian blood your Indian. That's what a chief told me as a child, and know I tell you son".
What culture are you by the way? Celtic?
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>>51087141
>Native American and Spanish American cultures
Well fuck, between Latinos, Spanish people, Mexicans and Centeral Americans no one knows the difference and it suck for them and they're often misrepresented in media which is surprising to be because they make up a lot of the U.S. I here light skinned Spanish speaking people have it pretty rough too but I would know too much about that.
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>>51087263
Spanish New Mexican. We go through the same shit with people trying to make us become Mexican/Chicano but with the addition of people calling us racist because we don't consider ourselves native american and celebrate our Spanish traditions/history. I consider Natives more lucky than us in the game of culture loss because they at least have reservations and white people trying to preserve them, however ill-founded it may be, but we're put down by everybody and as a result have almost completely lost our dialect of Spanish and traditional music. The most recent thing that has dumbfounded me is that all over our local social media has been Dia de los Muertos shit, which doesn't make any fucking sense, because that's celebrated in southern Mexico. We already have our own local holiday celebrations that we add to Christmas as well as actual holidays like Fiestas de Santa Fe (but people are trying to end that because it celebrates a Spanish conquistador) but to SJWs everybody that is red or brown is the same.
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>>51087478
It sucks because even as someone who isn't Native, I can tell the differences between something like the pottery of different Pueblos because I've done a slight bit of research on them. I think the problem is with our education system but I don't know if we could ever do anything to make us less ethnocentric. Not even the retarded meme-multiculturalism that /int/ is so afraid of, but just basic education.
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>>51087527
Man I'm sorry I hope things get better for you guys. Honestly white people act like they're trying to preserve us but I really don't see any evidence of that happening. Sorry you have to go through that shit, sjws are just the worst. I wonder what America would look like if it wasn't ever colonized by the east.
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>>51087685
I remember being in elementary school and a teacher telling class that Indians weren't the first people here. I also didn't learn about the trail of tears until I was highschool. We're not just uneducated, it's like forbidden knowledge to know anything about this or some shit.
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>>51087717
LOL I remember being in AP US History in High School and making the teacher lose his spaghetti about Native American history and Spanish history because he didn't know jack shit and I would be confused by some of the things he would teach
>>51087717
I have hope though. I have the benefit of being young, which means that I can teach other people around me and other New Mexicans without them having too many set in stone misconceptions about ourselves. SJWs are always a problem, but the fact that I'm brown and will be able to speak Spanish will help. The biggest problem is old people to be quite honest, but it's a good thing that they'll all die before me. It seems impossible but really I'm given a blank slate, and as long as I do something or contribute to something I'll be helping. Along with whatever I do for my own culture I'll definitely try to help natives, but that would be harder because they're definitely more exclusive.

Really though, until then, we'll just be faggots posting on 4chan at midnight on a saturday
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>>51087037
Do you think language and acceptance by reservation folk would be the best measure rather than genetics? Are you against race mixing?

>Appropriation harms abo cultures in that it's forcing them all to assimilate into what anglos imagine them as, because the vast majority of natives are in poverty, and many make money off of selling native art. Where it hurts them is in that the people that buy their expensive stuff can't differentiate between and don't really care about what is legitimately from the culture of who they're buying from. This leads natives to just sell what anglos want to buy, which is shit like dreamcatchers or mexican blankets shipped in from china (I know a person who does this) and mark them up tenfold from the actual cultural stuff that they sell to each other, because they make more money off of the fake stuff. That's not to say that everybody does that, but it's very noticeable and IMO is making those of them who do not live on the inner parts of reservations lose their culture. The same shit is happening at a faster rate for my culture as well, but I'm not native and that's a whole different set of shit.

Why cant they sell stupid shit to gullible anglos without compromising thier culture? The Japanese and Chinese seem to have no trouble at all doing that whilst preserving thier culture.
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How do you guys feel about whiteys participating in your cultural events? I got invited to a weekly cultural meetup in Vancouver once after striking up a chat with some natives, but I'm afraid to go because I don't want to be ~that guy~ or look like a white guilt nativeboo idiot. I love experiencing and understanding other cultures, but I'm really afraid of crossing the line here given the context.
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>>51089094
Fuck you
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>>51089227
Why?
I fucking treated your people's festering wounds while they were living in piss-soaked horse stalls as migrant workers. I exposed myself to tuberculosis and spent months gaining the trust of the migrants in my area in order to help treat them. And shit, my family gave our Mexican gardener's daughter a fucking car in order to help her get around so she would have a better life in the states. Not really sure why I deserve a 'fuck u' for being one of the few people in my cunt to give a shit about helping the Mexican illegals and natives here who are suffering from crimes against humanity t. bh.
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>>51088819
>>51088819
>Do you think language and acceptance by reservation folk would be the best measure rather than genetics?
Really just the combination of genetics and following culture. Ethnicity is easily determinable for a lot of people but there will always be those who are cultureless and we should just let themselves consider themselves whatever they want but not pay much mind to it.
>Are you against race mixing?
lol no They're doing fine the way they're mixing now. I just don't want to see them assimilate into another genepool, and I don't think they will, at least certain tribes.
>The Japanese and Chinese seem to have no trouble at all doing that whilst preserving thier culture.
They have huge populations and have their own states, whereas natives and extremely small minorities in relation to everyone else that we call minorities. The effects of what would seem negligible to a nation-state are huge to a stateless nation with a population of less than a million
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So I heard you lads can't be called indians anymore without serious butthurt, is it true or just SJW bullshit? Too lazy to say native american to be frank.
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>>51089463
Do you see the Jews as a role model for how your culture should be presereved?
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>>51089630
I've never met a native american that was offended by being called Indian. Most of them call themselves "Indian" or "Native" in my experience. I've only ever seen "le 1/8 native sioux feather headress" people on the internet getting offended by it

>>51089666
Nah man their situation is a million times more complex than that of Native Americans or Spanish New Mexicans

If I see there being any rolemodels for our cultural preservation I would say that the reintroduction of Irish or Hebrew should serve as models for us to reintroduce our dialect of Spanish back into the area where it was created and was always spoken. I couldn't tell you about Native languages though.
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>>51089882
Any parts of your culture that you dont want to see preserved?

How can one preserve a nomadic culture in a settled society?

Do you have a qt to call your own?
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>Any parts of your culture that you dont want to see preserved?
Nope, it's all pretty cool. The only thing I don't like is the modern "new mexican music" which is basically mexican music that wouldn't exist if it weren't for the fact that nobody wanted to record our traditional violinistas
>How can one preserve a nomadic culture in a settled society?
The Puebloans were the first people in North America to practice agriculture and have lived in pueblos (some of which are still inhabited) for thousands of years. Check out the pic in my last post. The oldest continuously inhabited place in the US. I don't think any nomadic tribes exist anymore. I could be wrong though.

>Do you have a qt to call your own?
Only fwb my normie friend :^)
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>>51090195
Interesting, what do you think nomadic /ex nomadic tribes should do?

>Only fwb my normie friend :^)

I guess its better than being alone.

Also what are the pueblos like religion wise are they all Catholic now or is there some form of paganism they have going
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My mom has a native friend, they were really close growing up and did fancy dancing together and stuff

I always go to pow wows just to observe and probably stick out like a sore thumb but everybody is always nice and I always eat a bunch of fry bread


so thanks
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>>51090233
They'd be screwed. It's impossible to be nomadic in any government system.

The puebloans are generally either catholic, native american church (christian/pagan), or pagan. They're extremely secretive about their pagan stuff though, so I doubt I'll ever be able to tell you anything about that other than the basic kachina stuff. They're also deathly afraid of witches and associate them with owls.
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>>51090416
Do you think they should go back to paganism or is Catholicism alright in your books?
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>>51090480
I don't really care. Their paganism had some weird ass practices like giving your parter's body to affluent people as a sign of good will but it's not my problem.
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like 3% cherokee cunt reporting
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