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Would there be peace in the middle east if Israel never existed?

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Would there be peace in the middle east if Israel never existed?
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That Lebanese girl is pretty as fuck
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some conflicts would have been avoided, but no, peace and stability in the middle east is an utopia
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>>51018011
nice cherrypicking also that iranian girl isnt iranian she is just an immigrant with iranian heritage
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>>51018011
i think israeli girl in that pic has typical ashkenazi face
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>cherrypicking.jpg
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Would there be peace in the middle east if Islam never existed?
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ZbTqeYM1To

>be the most popular syrian vlogger on the internet
>99% of the people on the comments don't give a fuck about what she said and just want to fuck her

Also, she sound autistic as fuck
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They're all ugly tbqh familia.
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No. The Cold War would reach it anyway.
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>>51018011
Nah m8. America would've found another excuse to steal their oil.
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>>51018011
The entire middle east was a mistake desu.
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>>51018011
>lebanon
>syria
>jordan
>Iraq
>israel
>palestine

>"""real countries"""
yeah no. one real-glorious nation ruled all of them 1000 years. they are all belgium tier anglo-french creations. daddy returns, soon ;)
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No. Have you not seen all the inter sectarian conflicts that have been tehre since the dawn of islam?

Israel only affects pallies and facebookwarriors in the west. Not much else.
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>>51018399
You can't even handle some rowdy K*rds t*rk
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>>51018011
no, arabs just like to blame israel for every problem they have
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>>51018399
>t*rks
>get rid of the mudslimism
>bring it back
>mfw
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>>51018282
She looks like a trap desu
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>>51018011
now israel and palestine are stable, STABle, heh, better than last explosive decade

if ISIS are end, western got no news again,
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>>51018011
Not sure why people think that Syrian girl is so cute. She's ugly as fuck.

That Lebanon girl is a turboqt though. I want to see a pic of her making a normal face
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>>51018011
yes. arabs are the offspring of blacks slaves with jewish blood in them.
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>>51018011
Near East was never peaceful even in the times of the sumerian. it's unfixable
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>>51020632
90%
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>>51018870
this
why would you remove kebab to just put it back
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>>51018011
>peace in the middle east

Lel. Muslims don't need the jews to kill eachothers
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Only if they had some kind of brutal dictatorship in place

Middle eastern countries can never be peaceful unless supressed in every aspect of life
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>>51018011

>the average Syrian grill looks like this

lmaoing @ you and me because it's sad that I know how they really look.
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>>51018011
bad goy, apologise to your master now
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damn that lebanese one
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>>51020947
would you?
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>>51019531
this.. and her accent makes me angry
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>>51018156
Are you a jew?
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>>51018011
will that lebanese grill became my gf if i offered her an a EU citizenship?
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>>51021338
no i support them tho
>>51021382
Christian lebs hate turks
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>>51021162
this desu
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>>51018011
>Cherrypicking.org
Not cool, senpai
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>>51021462
>Christian lebs hate turks
Why?
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>>51024934
you opressed them in the past and killed their armenian friends there are alot of armenians in lebland
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>>51018011
yes of course. the UK and France are to blame, too. 2 terrors are not enough.
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>>51018011
Peace? No. Islam ruined that part of the world long before any renewed nationalistic ideas in the minds of European Jews. The territory of Israel would probably end up splitting among Syria, Jordan and Egypt- with the majority going to Jordan. The word "Palestinian" would never got invented.
"If there never was an Israel, they would've made one up"- David Ben-Gurion
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>>51025452
noice
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>>51022312
>terror-ninjas.jpg
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>>51025630
oil+ israel/jews +uk/france ruined it

>m-muh islam boogeyman
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>>51025630
Would the ME be better if all the arabs and iranians were forcibly converted to christianity?
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>>51018011
i can cherry pick too
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POST MORE MIDDLE EASTERN QTS
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>>51025761
Enjoying Molenbeek, Rasheed?
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>>51025666
>666
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>>51025910
i am indeed, mahmoud
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>>51018282
every internet video in a nutshell.
also happens with men, no one cares about what pewdiepie says they only want to see him
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>>51018399
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>>51018242
>oy vey dats cherrypicking
>here goy. let me show you our female soldiers. look how hot they are! support isreal
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Objectively no.
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>>51026058
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>be qt iranian boy
>nobody gives a fuck
>be qt iranian girl
>everyone wants to take you

fuck this gay earth
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>>51025761
Have you ever wondered, how the cradle of human civilization and progress has never advanced beyond medieval times?
While those who continued the way of prophet Muhammad have, upon conquering Alexandria, started implementing the tools of philosophy into Islam and created the Islam's golden age (you can thank them for modern mathematics), but the natural blockers present in Islam kicked in after a while and reversed all that has been done- and didn't allow for a single inch forward.

>>51025807
"Theoretically"? Perhaps. It wouldn't be as good as "civilization developed alongside and separately from Europe" level of better, but it wouldn't be as bad as it is right now.
If Islam was never conceived- you could potentially see in the region a civilization advanced from "somewhat-less" to "a-bit-more" advanced than Europe.
Reasoning to this are: Arabian tribes that joined the prophet's banner were (in large part, not so unambiguous) wild barbarians that had nothing to civilize them but Islam. This caused a domino effect, that ended with this barbarians marching beyond the Arabian peninsula and taking over the entirety of what is now called the middle east- "ruining" in the process all societies that lived here (resolute of war, forced conversion, immigration, rape, forcing your (lack of) culture, etc.).
In favor of Islam it will be said that at the begging (when the major conquering in the region was done) it experienced a golden age under Baghdad's Halifat that brought many advancements in science and philosophy and lasted for a few centuries. But all of it was reversed and forbidden as it started drifting away from Islam (that has a built-in block to progress beyond a certain point).
Force-convert to Christianity wouldn't undo the damage it has done (elimination of natives, for a big one).
For the prosperity of this place- Islam should have never been invented (or failed to conquer this place).
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>>51027604
you dont need to be advanced to be peacefull.

western interventionism since the fall of the ottoman empire, israel, and oil. Those 3 are the biggest. After that you can blame Islam.
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Unironically, there would be peace in the middle east if religion ever existed
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>>51018399
This photo confirm erDOGan is devil
share if you agree
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>>51018011
>cherrypicking this hard
>still posts a literal ayy lmao in Syria
Great job.
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>>51027447
Nothing is gonna happen for you so long as you're in that repressive shithole.
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>>51027447
You know what really makes me sad? We were so close to making this work, together. Jewish brain and Iranian might...
Why you had to have your foolish revolution right on the brink of success?
>>51027791
> western interventionism since the fall of the ottoman empire, Israel, and oil. Those 3 are the biggest
I mean no offence, but making this claim so sound like a man spoiled a populist light-alternative news.
The Middle East was not peaceful for a single moment for over a thousand years- long before Israel was even an idea and long before oil became a valuable resource.
Despite all explanations and twisting and squirming on the matter, it eventually comes down to 2 factors that will always throw Islam into war- even in a world with no Israel or west or any other empire; Shiites and Jihad.
Hatred between Shiites and Sunnis is far greater than any hate towards Israel or the West, and annually spills more blood in the Middle East than all the conflicts here in the past 100 years put together. And Jihad has far too few, and far too weak peaceful interpretations for it not to be the reason for an endless war (endless until either it, or all position, is eradicated).
A strip of land the size of New-Jersey with no interests in anything around it, or an empire that is long gone, or a colonial regime that abandoned all it had here, or an outside intervention that didn't came out of the blue or a natural resource this land is rich with are going to change anything in this land that knows nothing of peace for more than a millennium.
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>>51025880
Italians...
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>>51029076
Iranians and Israelis are currently strategically aligned: destroying any attempt at Pan-Arabism. Islam needs to be removed from Iran like the cancer it is.
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There was war in the Middle East for thousands of years before monotheism was even the dominant faith. There was war in the Middle East for nearly two thousand years even after the Jews were scattered from Judea by the Romans. Yes there'd still be war there if Israel never existed.
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>>51020162
And no business either. Who'll buy muh weapons no more.
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>>51032605
> Iranians and Israelis are currently strategically aligned
You really missed the whole "Iran wants to nuke Israel" thing?
Sure, in sane world we would be aligned, but in a sane world we wouldn't have any quarrel to begin with.

>>51032723
> There was war in the Middle East for thousands of years before monotheism was even the dominant faith.
Not like that.
Sure, it was a much earlier chapter of humanity, but this region was relatively civilized (the first one to be such, in fact) and despite usual conflicts and struggle, probably knew less bloodshed and keenness to wage war than Europe in it's equivalent period.

> There was war in the Middle East for nearly two thousand years
Islam is younger than 1500 years. I get what you mean, but I just wanted to be an asshole and point out your inaccuracy - my judgment is poor at 1-am.

> Yes there'd still be war there if Israel never existed.
And on this I will agree with you.
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>>51033196
> You really missed the whole "Iran wants to nuke Israel" thing?

Just bants lad

Khamenei's son is more hard-line than him.. Why can't you guys overthrow the regime like last time?
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>>51033196
>You really missed the whole "Iran wants to nuke Israel" thing?
You missed the whole Israel wants the US to bomb Iran thing
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>>51018121
All those crusader genes, sadly the muslims cause everybdoy to flee.
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>>51033196
>Sure, it was a much earlier chapter of humanity, but this region was relatively civilized (the first one to be such, in fact) and despite usual conflicts and struggle, probably knew less bloodshed and keenness to wage war than Europe in it's equivalent period.
The Assyrians were renowned for their ability to wage war long distances from their home country/territory. They were also known for their effectiveness in battle and their extreme cruelty towards their enemies.
The Babylonians were similar, albeit didn't have the same reputation for harshness. Although I'm sure you already know about Nebuchadnezzar displacing and enslaving a large portion of the Jews in Judea at the time.
The Persians killed shitloads of people in battles and sieges to form the world's first superpower. They displaced many thousands of Ionian Greeks to quell uprisings in Asian Minor. They burned down Athens when they took it.
I think there was plenty of bloodshed in the ancient world.
>Islam is younger than 1500 years. I get what you mean, but I just wanted to be an asshole and point out your inaccuracy - my judgment is poor at 1-am.
I wasn't referring just to Islam, I was referring to monotheism in general. So if you counted Christians from the Roman and Eastern Roman Empires, it's closer to 2000, although not spot-on.
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>>51018011
Nope.
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>>51018011
No you muslim sand monkey, you walking wastes don't have peace anywhere.

Ps Jewish women are hotter then Arabs, probably why you didn't want to put a picture of one up
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>>51029076
>>51027604
>>51025630
>>51033482
>>51033196
>>51032723
>"serious" internet "discussions"
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>>51033649
>"""being""" a """""""jew"""""""
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>>51033446
>he doesn't know white people in the ME were pretty common until muhamtriggered's pals arrived
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>>51033649
Can't bantz all the time, matey.
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>>51033390
Why can't you guys overthrow the regime like last time?
Wasn't us last time. Our specialty is spying and assassinations, toppling regimes is US's move.
And they're too deeply entranced with those revolutionary guard. So the change will have to come from the people in order for a change to have a chance. And I'm not optimistic at all.

>>51033446
Lebanese, aside from some Jews, are the last to have resemblance to the native look of the Levant prior to Muhammad's Jihad conquers that turned the Middle East into all-Arabic land. They used to have light-to-light-dark skin tone. Light eye color wasn't that much rare-er than in northern lands.

>>51033407
In our defense, we started pushing for that only after they told us they don't want us to bomb them.

>>51033482
> I think there was plenty of bloodshed in the ancient world.
But it was no different than the rest of humanity throughout the ages.
You do better job of questioning the possibility of peace in the world instead of answering OP if the Middle East had the potential of being less messed up. To which I agree with that the answer is no.
And you do make a solid point... my brain is running out of juice because I can't remember what I wanted to respond to you... So I guess we will part ways here and I'll wish you good night.

>>51033649
Ahi, constructive conversations is the only reason I keep coming here. The later it is in night, the higher the chance to run into interesting people.
Here you have an Australian that is knowledgeable on the subject at hand and made relevant and thought out posts. How often can you see this during usual signposting threads?
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>>51034763
>But it was no different than the rest of humanity throughout the ages.
Which was exactly my point. That there's always been war in ME and the rest of the world; with or without Israel being a thing.
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>>51034853
Yea, can't argue with that.
Good night Australian friend.
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>>51018011
yes, except for some little conflicts here and there but overall, peace.
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>>51034986
Sleep tight, Morty.
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>>51018399
>WE WUZ KINGZ N' SHIT
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