ITT: Your perfect Europe
It's perfect as it is, just let each one have its federal government managing the national topics only and heren you go, the great majority of the indipendentist movements disappears. In the end it's all about money, and ofc the more history and lifestyle a certain area's population shares, the better its economy works. It's not a matter of mere national borders anymore.
Everyone gives Alsace Lorraine to Germany because it is their rightful clay frog.
It's not like we've fought three wars over this
This, with basic income and legalised weed under Germanic hegemony.
>implying the French aren't a bunch of butthurt faggots that can't get over the fact they are no longer relevant
>implying Germany isn't an even more irrelevant shithole
>he thinks the heart of the EU is a irrelevant shithole
>he judges a nation's rightful clay by his feelings and a failed empire in the 1800's.
>he thinks Germany can stand against France in any sort of conflict
>He thinks they shouldn't be thanked for Napoleon and apologized to for not letting him win.
>Not taking coastal south cities(Mu?la,Antalya,Mersin)
>Not taking capital city
>said no brit eve--oh wait
At least for Germany, only the states are right. The sub-divisions don't conform to any actual sub-units or NUTS-2 regions.
So I guess it was originally a NUTS-1 map someone added random lines to
I wanted to avoid too small nations, but genetically and culturally you are somewhere between Greeks and Yugos, only your language is an oddball (similar with Hungary). I tried to avoid current political attitudes towards each other for the map and only look at cultural, linguistic and genetic similarities
I highly doubt that even Albanians want a bigger or even an Albanian country, if there's something evident is that every Albanian hates Albania and would rather go live in a civilized country.
>there are people who are pleb enough to believe that this isn't a 10/10 Europe
>Amerifucks will never get to draw Europe IRL like their autismaps
Not "mix", but transitional. With Greeks you share the E-V13 and J2 haploshits, with Yugos I2 and R1b, R1a with both (similar levels). Culturally I'm thinking of stuff like cuisine, traditional music etc. which at least to an outsiders is very similar all around the Balkan peninsula
Yes, we may come off as alike. But you being a German, if you have any interest in Albanian culture, you should look up Lek Dukagjini, and if you're interested in books, "Ein folgenschwerer Abend".
>Das glorreiche Württemberg mit Franzosen teilen
Basically at the minute I have this, It's not finished and I basically just ripped the blank template from another thread. Essentially every area contains the owners people/culture like Finland's expansion wouldn't make Finns a minority. Everyone in that geographical area would speak/be Finnish etc
Poland shuffled the most. All the Eastern transition doesn't mean shitty poor stuff, it's all built up. Basically Prussia restored and Modern Poland-Lith Commonwealth. also Greek not Kebab expansion + Kurdistan
Russia not finished, country should just be a fuckin farm for federalised strong Europe, Slovakia not circumsized anymore
Haven't touched Balkans
Work the rest out for yourself
a nation is only a nation when all the ethics of the nation get along without limiting the others
Albania, my father once did business in Albania and brought a few liters of rakia moonshine home and it was absolute GOAT. Do you have any official brands available for export that are like the good homemade stuff?
fixed map of Britian & Irleand
>re-creating Austria-Hungary but giving Transylvania to Romania
>Giving Silesia and Prussia to Poland
>Giving the Baltics to Russia but giving Karelia to Finland
>Giving Corsica to Italy
>Giving Belgium and the Netherlands to Germany
>Giving Pau to Spain
>Giving Scotland independence
0/10 apply yourself
Just download a PNG to colour (preferably one without anti-aliased borders), JPEGs have that blocking compression artefacts.
I'm using GIMP, it's free and easy to get into, there you can adjust the sensitivity of the bucket
Why do you let Luxembourg alive in such a scenario? Also
>putting regions like Aschaffenburg into your empire
Their culturally South Hessians just like us Rhenish Hessians, they have 100x more similarities to us than to Transsylvanians or fucking Bosnians
true, but thats because austrians are bayuwars
austria is just the hidden link for all the countries, it doesnt completely fit with any of these countries, but has the most similarites. strangely, north germany is suddenly comletely different form us
>strangely, north germany is suddenly comletely different form us
I'd describe it more of a cultural and linguistic continuum stretching from Graz all the way to Bremen (or maybe even Amsterdam), there are no clear cut lines here
wow, thats REALLY GAY
>btw obviously doesnt know what the stars mean
srsly mean, all dialect nothern from bayuwaria gives every austrian fucking ear cancer
its really a big cut there
>Romanian lands controlled by the shitty magyars
The fucking hungarians would force Romanians to stick Hungarian flags out of their window and shout something along the lines of "Long Live Hungary". They are known to rape/mass murder Romanian villages and bombard orthodox churches.
Fuck that shit nigger
But it IS transitional, maybe not from your POV but on a South-East - North-West axis there's a gradual continuum of dialects that fade into each other: Upper Bavarian - Middle Bavarian/Frankish/Swabian - Lower Bavarian/Hessian/Thuringian - Middle Rhinelandic/Luxemburgish/Kölsch - Dutch. Look any of those dialects up on Youtube for example, they should gradually become more and more alien to you
And that's only one axis, you could go from SW to NE Germany too for example.
Some countries have been relocated, others have been absorbed. Also, mass deportations.
O no you didn't give transilvania to germans you filthy casual.
>Implying a better map of Europe has ever been posted on /int/
thats all true what you say, i cant argue with all of that (hats to you my friend)
but simply the way bayuwars are treated in germany at the present, their culture, etc.. i personally think they would like it here more
We're as federal as it gets though, every state/region gets to protect its local culture (unlike France for example) and yeah Bavarians are the most similar people to you, yet on their western and northern fringes they share close similarities to their neighbouring regions outside Bavaria - sooo I think in the end we could fiy things with a little anschluss, so that every German people/"tribe" is well represented
lets face it, the whole concept of states is outdated. there are too much multicultural mixes now for something like this. altough i think its sad that unique towns like vienna would lose its charm very fast, i think there should only be one state in the entire world. all the states have done cruel things in the past and built up stupid enmities against each other. it would be the easiest way...
I think they differ more sharply from you now in almost all aspects (genetics, language, economy, culture...) than you differ from us... but if you wish we can have a fancy two state solution again like it was when Deutschösterreich was part of the HRE but the other Slav/Hungarian regions weren't, yet you had one empire, so Deutschösterreich was in 2 empires at the same time
Every Fucking time. Germany is powerful enough as it is, it needs to be balkanised, not made even bigger. And where is the logic in putting all the German speaking countries together but splitting up all the English speaking countries?
C'mon, you know it was the allies that brainwashed you into thinking that you are "Slavic" or "Celtic" and therefore not German (which is BS anyway since NE Germany has many Germanised Slavs - Wends - and SW Germany has very high genetic Celt admixture - after all it's the language that counts, both mentioned groups have been German-speaking for at least 1000 years), just shortly after WW1, inofficial polls in many Austrian states about a reunification to Germany showed >99% support throught the banks, also you voted decisively for the Anschluss (no it was not rigged because it simply didn't have to be rigged).
The rivalry you had was with Prussia
Fuck you, I gave you Ireland and made you part of the country you so wish to be a part of (see >>27289889)
Furthermore fuck off with your "balance of power" BS) and stop sabotaging all events possibly leading to a political unity between France, Germany and Benelux (Napoleonic wars, WW1, WW2, EU)
Compete with us fairly or let it be
>give Prussia, Alsace and Lorraine to Germany
>balkanise France and England
>Supercornwall that stretches as far as Dorset and Somerset
>unite the entirety of Eastern Europe because lol who cares
Every single thread
true again, friend
after WW1 it was because nobody thought austria would survive this small. so germany was the only possibility. but i personally think the rivalry is because one other fact. Hitler. An austrian. completely fucked up mind. we didnt like him and everybody laughed at him. then he went to munich... of course its typical austrian to like famous austrians... and after WWII it was like you betrayed us. our own blood. YOU were stupid and gave him power while we didnt listen to him when he was just a noboy
but answer me one question. look at that map i made before. its based on history. how can it be, that austria is so powerful to the present and yet so small. i would even say, in political relationships its the strongest and most influental country in europa
If you destroy Germany, who is there to keep France concentrated on their eastern border instead of on us, and keep Russia out of Europe?
Balance of power my friend. We want Germany strong enough to keep France and Russia in check but weak enough that they can't beat them outright.
>Being capable of keeping the nuclear French and Russians in check
Their army is non existent and territorial, they have no nukes, and why the fuck does France need to be kept in check? Russia and France should be balkanised as well anyhow.
>everybody wants an anschluss
Meh, at this point I don't even know if I want it back, as (sand) nig-nog infested as it is
...but then again it was your Bavarian friends who made him big, so there's that (let's face it, all Germans back then, including you and to some extent the Dutch, had high hopes in him)
That was mostly the Habsburgs though and that in a time where there was no such concept of a nation state, just powerful families dicking around (not that much different from today though). But you don't seem to celebrate them anyway, you've been much more rigorous towards your nobility than we have after WW1
>tfw he has to officially call himself "Otto Habsburg" in Austria because you outlawed "von" prefixes
btw, here, have some good austrian pop, Fischer recommends
Slavic language, irrelevant country. But in some way Hungary has most of the slavic languages. I don't understand.
Austro-Hungarian Impery, and then you make a good wall against commies with Slavic countries.
I have come to this conclusion after many hours of meditation and shitposting.
We are friends with France now, sorry.
We are also building giant baggers to fill up the channel. No more hiding on your island.
if it wasn't for now completely irrelevant 19th century political conditions, Austria would be part of Germany. The only other European countries who are basically identical to their neighbour are Romania and Moldova, and I've anschlussed them as well.
yeah, thats a funny story. now every dick calls himself an "ingenieur" or "professor" and wants to be called by this title. thats civic nobility now, its pretty awesome, makes a little bit of the viennese charm
Ireland and the UK
Try and find an difference between the UK and Ireland that is bigger than the difference between Austria and Germany
If you cannot, you can't logically say that Ireland shouldn't be in the UK
So why is it not? Because they don't want to. Same reason Austria is not anschlussed.
Germany never tried to starve the Austrians to death.
Germany and Austria had to be kept apart with military force of the allies, Ireland had to be kept occupied with military force to be kept in GB.
Well, for about 70 years now, which is easily the longest period since 843. You better intensify your destruction-from-the-inside methods in the EU to change that before it becomes permanent
Yeah, heard about you having ranks in the police that'd be reserved for the army here, like "Major"
IMO you should be one country with them, I'll give you that. All that >muh Celtic separatism (like the Scotland independence) is a bunch of mysticist bullshit in my eyes. But please, return to your "splendid isolation" policy and don't dick around in continental affairs, just happily trade with everyone
WTF, ITS JUST A FUCKING HOLE IN THE OCEAN NOW
it took 4 years for Hitler to go from being a joke with who'd have been better off resuming his career as a painter to Chancellor of Germany. It took ten years for Germany to go from being a crippled shadow of its former glory to a force that could take on the rest of Europe combined. It took 16 years for Germany to go from being a country which had basically no military where most people had never heard of Hitler, to a country under foreign occupation which had had its eastern provinces severed entirely and the rest bombed to rubble, having just fought one of the bloodiest wars in human history with one of the greatest armies in history under one of the most infamous men in history.
As a German, you of all people should know that the forseeable future often isn't as long as you'd think.
In History Ireland magazine (1997, issue 5, pp. 32–36), Christine Kinealy, a Great Hunger scholar, lecturer, and Drew University professor, relates her findings: Almost 4,000 vessels carried food from Ireland to the ports of Bristol, Glasgow, Liverpool and London during 1847, when 400,000 Irish men, women and children died of starvation and related diseases. She also writes that Irish exports of calves, livestock (except pigs), bacon and ham actually increased during the Famine. This food was shipped under British military guard from the most famine-stricken parts of Ireland;
Save the bullshit. England took their food during the famine under gunpoint.
if you go back up the thread you'll see that the map all this was a response to actually did have a united Ireland/UK
although I'd also point out that the Irish like to pretend they're celtic because about a third of the population speak gaelic, whereas Austria and Germany are both fully German.
You forget about Versailles though, and even going further back, about the childish behaviour of Wilhelm II.
Nothing comparable to those two things is even anywhere near close to being in sight, people are more informed now and realise that peace with our surrounding nations + Russia = economically good for us and no one wants to risk that, this is one of the reasons why we push for further EU integration, to solidify that market even more
Learn some education, Irish people ran their small family farms, they had few machines to help so there was loads of land that they couldn't cultivate and didn't have the manpower for. When we went over, we took our farming equipment over and started to farm the land the Irish didn't use and then exported it back to the UK to sell. When the Irish famine happened and all the potatoes were gone, our farms still ran fine because they grew crops meant for exporting, not potatoes. They were privately run and therefore nothing to do with the UK government and nothing to do with the Irish. What were we supposed to do, force the landowners to give food to the poor? This was before world war 1, the poor were still in workhouses in the UK. Welfare was unheard of. Such a proposal would be struck down immediately.
they took the good land the irish actually were using and pushed them back to wasteland that was unuseable
and yet, nearly every austrian has some slav in his familiy, even me, im 1/8 czech
I think you're missing the point. It's easy to say in hindsight that the Versailles treaty might have led to WW2, but no one in 1929 could have predicted what the next fifteen years would bring. Or even the next five years. In fact anyone suggesting anything like it would have been considered insane. We have no idea what the next decade will bring for us either.
>this is one of the reasons why we push for further EU integration
and this is exactly why the Eurozone crises started and has lasted as long as it has. When you ask pro-EU people what benefits they think things like a single currency would bring, you'd hope their answer would involve comparisons of relative economic strengths, references to international currency markets, and explanations of how business friendly it would all be. Instead when you actually ask European politicians who're in favour of the EU this question, they say something childishly stupid, like 'it'll all bring us closer together'. They have this ideology formed by a world 70 years dead, and they push it through without any regard for actual economic facts.
let me do futher editing
cause things should be "removed"
This details everything about the famine
And most Austrians having slavic blood means Austria is more different to Germany than Ireland to the UK which has almost no difference in blood
>Ireland to the UK which has almost no difference in blood
Depends on what resoltuion of subclades you look at. Irish, Welsh and Scots have almost no Germanic Y-DNA, while labelling Austria "Slavic" because of their puny 19% R1a would imply North Germany, East Germany, Norway and Iceland are even more Slavic, which of course is horse shit
So I would be cautious in saying Ireland is closer to England genetically than Austria is to germany
oh fuck it.
see what youre doing?
where this shit is leading?
Haplogroups are not measures of genes in a population. They take the furthest back male on your paternal side and find out what haplogroup they had. If a person has a Germanic father and slavic mother, they will have a Germanic haplogroup. The UK has been invaded a lot and Ireland hasn't. Invasions mean raping the local woman which makes the population look a lot more like the invaders than they actually are.
You can see here that all through the British isles there is actually little difference in genes and heritage.
I'm not sure that's going to work out...
It's not you, I promise, I just need some time to explore and develop by myself and focus on my studies.
Hey, I might see you around though, me and Germany are going shitposting on Tuesday, I'm so excited!!
Well, Y-DNA has the advantage of being of pretty high resolution, while autosomal and mtDNA are more evenly spread throughout Europe (see maps here http://www.eupedia.com/europe/autosomal_maps_dodecad.shtml and here http://www.eupedia.com/europe/maps_mtdna_haplogroups.shtml.
That "Brits are Spaniards" BS came from a time when they didn't know about R1b subclades yet, so they just concluded that because both Britain and Spain are high in R1b, Spaniards must have emigrated to Britain for some reason. Further analysis shows though that both R1b subclades in question (L21 for Brits, DF27 for Spaniards) most likely have a common ancestor from around the Alps (a third sister clade - S28 - stayed there), so while they are related, there was no big-scale Spanish-British migration, this is sensationalist BS
except with Albania instead of Greece
ITT: pointlessly disgusting mega-states
Can you explain why did you give parts of Kherson and Kharkiv regions to Russia?
And what did you do with Czechia, m8? And dat Switzerland, lel. And. Fuck. U w0t?
Jesus Christ, those threads are retarded
>Hurr let me redraw the curent map with the clay i had 300 years ago
>implying the culture didn't change
>implying people want to change from a shitty country to another
Also, those people who take part from a country where the people don't even spoke their language is utterly retarded
>It's near my country, therefore it's mine
Try to be at least rational and merge country who share the same thing.
I haven't seen a Yuroclay thread in a long time.
Return Gascony and Calais, you French fucks.
Irish people worked the shit land, you fuckwit. The reason they only grew spuds was because it was the only high yield crop that would grow in such shit conditions. Most of the tillage, cattle etc. were owned by English landlords who were hardly ever in Ireland. Ireland was a breadbasket, even during the famine. The reason family farms were small was because of a law that made it mandatory for Catholics to divide land equally between the sons, creating tiny unworkable farms, most were also rented from landlords who evicted the Irish as soon as the blight arrived. The land wasn't legally obtained by these landlords, it was stolen, mostly during the cromwellian invasion. Ireland wasn't lacking manpower, the population was 8.5 million compared to 6.2 million today (It dropped to 3.5 in the years following the famine and still hasn't recovered) It would have been easy to stop the famine. The potato crop failed before the act of union and famine was avoided by halting exports, but the union meant irish landowners were always in london and were oblivious or apathetic to the famine. And welfare existed, but with ridiculous conditions. You were forced to do conert to protestantism or to do hard labour to get anything. My area is litterd with piles of stones called "follies" and pointless walls running up the side of mountains that the irish were forced to build, usually by homeless and starving people with families.
There's nothing wrong with Irish sources, most Irish these days are apologists who try to make us look more guilty than we are
Go fuck your self paki fuck>>27332751
you are both idiots. First of all, the landlords weren't English. They were mostly Irish. Catholics have simply managed to convince everybody that Catholic = Irish and Protestant = English, which is nowhere close to true. Plenty of Irish noble families saw which way the wind was blowing and converted to Protestantism (the Guinnesses, for example), while a great many of the powerful Catholic families in Ireland were either descended from the Anglo-Norman lords who'd been there since the middle ages or Catholic English lords who'd been forced out of England during the reformation. Also, the restrictions on Catholic land ownership had been repealed 50 years before the great famine, so land ownership wasn't overwhelmingly protestant any more anyway. I don't have the figures from the 1840s or 50s, but by the 1870s land ownership was split more or less 45%-45% between Anglicans and Catholics (the other 10% miscellaneous denominations), so clearly the idea that 19th century Ireland was owned by absentee English landlords is a complete myth crafted so that Irish nationalists could maintain a sense of solidarity by focusing hatred on the English and disguise the fact that in many cases the Irish were being shafted by their own people.
secondly, it was neither callousness nor apathy on the part of the British government that caused the famine. First and foremost, it was caused by potato blight. What most people don't mention is that at least a hundred thousand people died elsewhere in Europe when the crop failure hit.
And the British government's reaction to this was not to simply sit back and watch. Indeed, the Prime Minister Peel immediately purchased £100k worth of cornmeal from America and sent it to Ireland (which for various reasons didn't work that well, but its the thought that counts). He also set up numerous public works programs to provide unemployed Irish with jobs. The problem was mostly with the scale of the famine vs. the size of the government in that era (which was tiny compared to today). There was no large bureaucracy to take in figures of crop yields and food supplies, so at first the government vastly underestimated the scale of the famine. And when it became apparent that large scale government intervention would be necessary, it proved almost impossible to administer relief projects on the scale required.
A mixture of well meaning incompetence and ideological bias (ironically not against the poor, but for them) made the government's response less effective than it could have been. Firstly, contrary to the idea that the government was inherently biased in favour of landlords, the consensus was that they were largely responsible for the crisis and should be forced to pay for it. Unfortunately the landlords reacted to this by evicting tenants so they would have fewer to support. And while the politics of 19th century protectionism is complex and tedious, the short version is that non-government interference in the grain markets was the position of those who were pro-poor people. It was this ideological bias that stopped the government from intervening to stop grain exports.