/beg/ - THE BEGINNER THREAD

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ESSENTIALS:

>https://warosu.org/ic/thread/3023643
Links to many art books including as Keys to Drawing (Dodson), Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain (Edwards), Perspective Made Easy (Norling), Color and Light (Gurney), The Vilppu Drawing Manual (Vilppu) and How to Draw (Robertson).

>http://ctrlpaint.com
A website dedicated to understanding the basics and process of digital painting, based in Adobe Photoshop. Library of over 200 free videos.

>http://quickposes.com
Free pose library to practice drawing the human figure (as well as a portrait library). Draw at your own pace or set a timer for quick gesture drawings.

>https://www.youtube.com/user/onairvideo
Croquis Cafe - Timed model poses.

>http://drawabox.com
Controversial yet helpful introductory course on the fundamentals of drawing with a focus on understanding the concept of form and thinking in a 3-dimensional mindset while you draw.

>Your local life drawing class
Life drawing is an indispensable tool in your art career. Do not be intimidated based on your skill level - there will always be someone worse than you and someone better than you. Use this opportunity to meet new artists for learning, critique, and growth.

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I drew this side view yesterday and I reworked it today
what do you think?

>>3129889
You're getting closer but it's through trial and error, not necessarily because you're feeling the underlying shapes. You need to be using guides.

Seriously use some Loomis guidelines or Reilly method or some system to break down the head shapes and build it up from there. You'll understand more than you do right now because you'll be drawing the whole head not a handful of scattered features that are only correctly placed through happy accident, not your growing knowledge

>>3129896
I know about the guidelines but I didn't use them for this drawing instead I surrounded the head of the model in a box and took measurements
it's like using the viewfinder in some of Betty Edward's exercises in Drawing on the right side of the brain but instead of a physical viewfinder I use a layer

>>3129901
That's great but what you've got right now looks flat, even on features that are placed correctly. As long as you're ignoring the shapes that go under them you're going to have that surface-style flatness where you're just seeking arbitrary lines rather than an understanding of how a head turns and is constructed.

>>3129906
I understand now
I used to draw using guidelines before I knew about the fundamentals so I'm starting all over again
thanks for the help

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Why is hair so hard to draw?

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>>3129929

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Contrapposto study. Am I gonna make it lads?

>>3129929
Try not to draw hair as an outline.

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Guys, my friend asked me to make a concept of a character for his book/story thing. this is a result. I'm not an experienced artist, so this took a very long time (about 5-6 hours). So I need some feedback ^_^. Thank you in advance.

>>3130042
Nice picture but shitty as concept art. Doesn't show a lot.

>>3130042
symbol drawing .

nose looks fine though surprisingly - it's the only thing that looks 3d

>>3130057
Agree. but why "surprisingly" ? :D

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I draw every two weeks for an hour why am i not good yet

does anyone know any good tutorial serieses for fundamentals?

>>3130057

What part of that is symbol?

It might be disproportionate but not symbol.

>>3130042

What's the concept?

>>3130086
>I draw every two weeks for an hour why am i not good yet

this is a meme, right?

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>Want to draw really lewd manga stuff
>Always get frustrated and uninspired and usually give up each piece halfway

>Tfw the only time I have fun drawing humans is when they're weird old men
>Tfw all my best art are weird old men

What the fuck is wrong with me?
How do I fix this?!

>>3130153
Maybe old men is just your thing.

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>>3130153
>>3130166
embrace it nigga.

>>3130153
this is amazing anon
keep going with this

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how do I stop being frustrated at drawing every time I hook up my tablet?

>>3130143
Of course. Also pls give tips

>>3130174
by not having an artstyle that looks uncannily alike fucking assigned male

>>3130179
this is not even my artstyle and I don't have an artstyle yet

>>3130174
Try harder.

>>3130129
this character is based on old caucasian myths and legends. Basically he is the most renowned hero and a musician (all heroe mths stem from him), however he is later cursed,everyone around im dies and he becomes a very sad villan wo kills with music.

>>3130176
You should be aiming for 5-6 hrs a day if you truly want to improve. 3-4 is fine too depending on what you are studying. You have to do this every single day.

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trying to color in digital, tips?

>>3130222

Learn how to draw first before color.

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>>3129847
How do I into values?

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Posted this last thread but didn't get any crits.

I went kinda overboard on the background. I haven't had any practicing in landscape drawing, so I'd really appreciate crit on the figure more.

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I apparently drew this last night and was told to post it here instead

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4th day. How'd I do? Any tips? Crit?

>>3130244
Learn perspective and form, don't think just about outlines.

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>>3130243
PLANES

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Would it be bad if I try to unlearn symbol drawing by drawing things other than the picasso painting upside down? I have been copying ingame screenshots of my husbando and inverting them, and drawing them from there. It feels sorta like Im tracing, and I cant tell if its actuallu helping. Should I just draw the picasso over and over?

Also, is it bad to use line paper to draw? I feel like Im gonna develop a bad habit of using the lines as reference that I wouldnt get on a blank canvas.

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>>3130267
Thank you for listening to the guys who directed you to /beg/. I have no idea what this creature is but I'll try anyway. I tried a slight change to make it look more like an egg (the hair could appear more attached to the head rather than planted on it, its clothes should follow its egg-shape more closely) but it may benefit from harder changes (its hairs for example could go straitght in front of him like a rocker). Also where are his feets? It really depends on what you want it to look like and evoke though.

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>>3130314
Not that poster, but its a newer pokemon. That reference is from pokemon art academy.

>>3130204
I caaaaaan't is the thing I'm a full time student + job -- I'd do it while out but all of my reference material is on my computer -- I made time to study 2-3 hours twice a week but that's all I can spare :(

How the fuck do I actually study. Do I just read the books and try to copy the drawings? How do I study "anatomy", and "Form"? Reading the sticky didn't make it much clearer to me.

>>3130331

The fuck?

>>3130295
You forgot about ambient occlusion.

>>3130331
What have you tried?

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how's this

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i fucked up his abs but how does it look?

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>>3130295
Thank you, I see now. I was using this as a ref. I was fairly pleased with the lineart but the values are difficult and I don't want to use converting the image to B&W as a cruch.

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>>3130382
No problem.
Like I said before, you should use single light source references for learning value. This ref has ambient lighting, which kind of flattens the form.

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randomness

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I've been trying to study the torso, I'm aware that this isn't the best copy but any crits? Also, do you feel that it is better to learn anatomy by grinding studies from refs or should I be trying to do Loomis and construction - I've tried in the past but haven't found it fun or particularly useful, but feel as though I'm becoming to reliant on references.

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Reading Loomis right now and why does the mid line intersect with the eye socket? I thought the brow was the mid line? Was everything I've been taught a lie?

>>3130371
saved. love pen aesthetic.

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>>3130447
wrong picture

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I just want to draw some weird porn but my anatomy and perspective is really fucked; it started as a straight profile and then drifted. Is it still salvageable?

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>>3130456

>>3130371
looks kinda cool actually.. but the body looks so much better than the face..

>>3130451
>>3130447
That line is not in the middle, it's not the "mid-line" bro, sharpen up.

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>>3130447

You... make an interesting point. Something doesn't feel right here, I'll have to check again. In FwaP, Loomis clearly wrote "brow" on the divided ball before cutting it off.

>>3130204
Is this a fucking neme? Or for people who are starting from stick figures or something? I do about two hours a day. An hour before work and an hour and change after. I am making all kinds of gains with very careful observation and honing in on my mistakes consciously. I don't know if it's fair to say because Im a drew-as-a-kid and then through high school person, and my mother was a cartoonist so maybe Im a ''''talent'''' fag--definitely not starting from nothing, but man this sounds like a good way to discourage people from trying. You can learn a lot in an hour if you practice the right way. if you are complete beginner do not feel like you need to start more than hour a day or so. Noob gains like in weightlifting can be made quickly with the right practice. And burnout can happen subtly to the point you dont realize it has. your progress will suffer as a result. Its not all about sheer hours put in.

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Is this good at all?

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>>3130482

>>3130222
>big heads t-rex arms guy

m8 just study anatomy a bit. Carefully observe the proportions of the body. the tips of your fingers at rest come about halfway down your thigh. Even keeping things like this in mind will help you a lot. You clearly have some ability man just take some time to study anatomy.

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>>3130451
Ok so I checked and came to this. Basically >>3130471 is right. The middle of the face (jaw included) is where the eye will be, the middle of the circle (so, the skull without the jaw) will indicate the brow location. See my corrected pic to get my mumbling.

>>3130482
Better than the stuff you've posted before. You're not completely shying away from your darkest values like most beginners do with graphite so that is good.

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My goal for this one was just to finish a drawing. This is as finished as I know how to make it.

I think my anatomy is at a point where I just need to keep doing more and it'll resolve itself over time. The head is a bit small though, I feel like. Maybe I could learn a bit more about rendering, but I wouldn't know where to look.

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When you pick a base colour of an object, do you find the shadow value of that colour and use that as initial base?

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>99% of the artists I admire learned from Loomis books
>learn how draw heads using his method but haven't clicked with his body anatomy
>wonder if I ever will
How I deal with this feel, /beg/. ...Anyone have tips how to approach figure drawing for all it's worth?

>>3130492
Blog?

>>3130501
I was the same way then I switched to Bridgman and his approach "clicked" for me. Don't feel bound to one method because other people told you to use it. You tried it, and if it doesn't work at all for you after an honest effort, then try something else.

>>3130492
Is that on the right supposed to be her elbow? It goes way lower senpai. Elbow normally almost aligns with belly-button, but if she is lowering that shoulder a lot.. then it's impossible for it to end before her rib-cage. Also, resize your files.

>>3130505
This. I am good enough at eyeballing that Loomis' method was just too involved and convoluted with those discs and whatnot. I mainly learned from Hamm and some other sources. I think Hamm is vastly underlooked in favor of Loomis. Hamms figure drawing book is very good and less bloated than Loomis.

>>3130510
Yeah, I was thinking that she would be using her bicep to cover her nipple, but I wasn't sure where that would put her elbow in terms of everything else.

>>3130488
>The middle of the face (jaw included) is where the eye will be, the middle of the circle (so, the skull without the jaw) will indicate the brow location. See my corrected pic to get my mumbling.

SO if the middle of the cranium is the brow, then this >>3130451 is wrong?

is it okay to learn the fundies digitally?

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>>3130528
The center line is different between these two pages. This is what's confusing me.

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>>3130528
The line in >>3130451 isn't the line going through the middle of the circle used to make the skull, it's the line used to find the eyes and ofc eyes are only slightly lower than the brows hence the confusion. Don't take my words for it, please take a look at the attached pic.

>>3130535
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>>3130555
>being a computerlet

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Started using my tablet.. was looking at fav comic artist of mine and spit this out.

>>3130560
is that the milky way on her nose?

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Can somebody direct me some good digital painting tutorials? I've been reading some good books on colour theory, but while I've managed to get *some* grasp on the theory, I'm shit on the practice.

Most videos online skip a shitload of steps, and turn 3 hour work into some 15 minute video. Aaron Blaise has a (IMO) fenomenal playlist, but his works deal almost exclusively with animals, and I also want to be able to paint some other tecniques and subjects.

I'm also new to /ic/, so I couldn't find a good source on this. Hopefully some kind soul can help me. Pic related is something I made a while back, for reference.

>>3130563
lol

>>3129847
Finally i made it in the OP!

>>3130553
Just to be clear, when starting a head by drawing the cranium, the horizontal line should represent the brow?

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>go on /lit/
>been there for the last 2 days non-stop
>been thinking about fucking off from art and just dedicating myself to writing

I don't know how to deal with these feels

How many years of practice do I need before I can start charging people for my art? I don't need a lot, I'm on disability and have a part time job, so if I can make even $200 a month from my art I'd be set.

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What am I doing wrong ?

>>3130604
How long till you start going on /po/ for two days non-stop and think about fucking off from writing, and dedicating yourself to origami?

>>3130451
Nope. Perfect image. Thx anon

>>3130611
Nobody can answer this accurately. What is your level now? Level of innate ability? Amount of practice time? Post work.

>>3130618

>>3130482 >>3129929 and >>3129807 are mine

Been practicing for a few months. I average about 3 hours of practice per day now. I know I'm not nearly good enough to start charging anything yet.

I know you guys already answered this question probably a hundred of times but how I get gesture?

>>3130419
Do both

is drawing from a recorded model online any better than using photographs?

>>3130653
So long as it's got that definition.
Need to see the wiggly parts.

>>3130501
Loomis looks so static and mechanical. I've got a couple Bridgman books and I think he's better, just my opinion though.

Is it me how loomis never mentions gestures in his books?

is checking angles in digital art by putting the layer of your sketch over the layer of the model you're drawing considered cheating?

>>3130719
Is it cheating if you're not caught.
thinkingman.jpg

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Is it cheating to slightly edit a traditional drawing? I mean just using MS Paint to move an eye down a millimeter. Asking for a friend

>>3130746
Yeah that's absolutely fucked up. Don't fucking do that.

I'm actually serious about what I just said
I finished Drawing on the right side of the brain using digital art and I used putting a layer over another to see if I got it right and it made me feel like shit

>>3130752
Seriously though, don't do that because you're not tracing. As long as yours looks mostly right, it's okay. If it's exactly right, you would have to have been tracing, it's impossible otherwise.

>>3130746
Absolutely cheating man. If you get caught you will be disquialified instantly

>>3130478

I think it is one of those ic memes that people wholeheartedly believe at times. Ive seen people make calendars based around ridiculous amounts of "practice time" in where theyd take 6-8 hours per day of practice. This obviously would lead to people becoming intimidated at the very idea of practicing because "if I dont dedicate my time to this then why even try?"

>>3130769
It's not a meme though. It's legit shit that happens if you take art classes. You can be a hobbyist and not spend that much time and still eventually be good. Just don't complain that you're not improving as much as someone who's spending more time.

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I know I suck. Please tell me how to get better.

>>3130774
No, you have to do that yourself. You already know you suck, now you have to figure out why you suck and fix it. Don't reply again until you do or you're ngmi.

>>3130779
Believe me, usually I try to figure it out by myself, but really I don't know where to go from here. Anyone who can shed some light, please help. Thanks in advance.

how do i make smooth circular lines on photoshop? I'm talking about getting a good curve for breasts and asses.

>>3130786
Just draw a smooth circular line holy shit nigga you don't need to make it overly complex

>>3130788
but when ever i try it's not a good curve which is what im getting at.

>>3130809
Well try harder nothing's impossible

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I drew this picture of my cousin a while back. It probably looks pretty fucked up because I shrunk it down.

>>3130814
but how do i effectively practice

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>>3130774
Think the main issues that I see is that you didn't do gestures properly before jumping into construction. These figures are stiff as hell because you didn't identify any major curves in the action, not to mention some of them looking like they're about to tip over. I say go back a step and instead of trying to construct each body part do a series of little gestures like this.

>>3130824
By trying again and again until you're able to do it just copy people who do it really well nigga steal their linework

>>3130825
Alright, thanks. I'll take a step back and work on gestures.

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Daily Hampton practice.
Would love some crit!

>>3130581
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FPz8Xyt3z-w

is it cheating to cross my eyes to see if things line up horizontally?

>>3130612
I can't tell what's going on.
You have to be more specific.

How do I draw faces, especially the nose, eyes and mouth

>>3130902
by doing studies

>>3130892
No, but you'll look like a retard, so don't do that.

since this is the beginner thread.

>why inspired you to create art?
>what is your favorite medium?
>what are you currently having issues with in regards to your art?

>>3130944
Cute anime girls
Digital
Small visual library therefore small creativity

>>3129847
I have no idea where to ask this but maybe you guys can help. Can you scale a layer down in Krita without reducing the quality? I've tried every filter they give me.

>>3130944
Big udders and knights
Digital
Lack of anatomical know how.

>>3130944
aesthetics and beauty
trad or digital, not sure yet
observation

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>>3129847

How this?

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anyone got any good tutorials on anatomy?

I just can't seem to do it.

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>>3130244
loosen a bit. imagine swooshy lines going through it all. pose seems weird, stiff, lacking weight. would you sit with your foot outstretched like a ballerina? keep at it. great effort!!


...just noticed she's by a waterfall. I thought it's a lake. whoops.

>>3130984
Reading up on proportions would do you more good.

>>3130986
i fucked up the leg in the back.

>>3130975
intentionally turned her into a dude?

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i'm practicing rendering (or polishing turd) why this look like ass, i can't figure out what is problem

>>3130993
Because your colors are ass.

>>3130999
you mean color scheme

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>>3130984
what have you been reading?

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>>3131011
btw haven't read anything, but watched a few videos explaining loomis method and stuff.

>>3130419
What software did you use for that??

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>>3131029
You can look for photos of people in similar poses as what you're drawing and then correct with that.
Doing life drawing would also help you. If there's no course available in your town you can use Croquis Cafe on yt.

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>>3129847
took me a while to see that it's not a head but an octopus

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Finally got a wacom tablet!

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i tried

>>3131084
It look good, assuming the shadow by her eye is make up

>>3131084

But you can draw, anon.

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did this really fast. how bad is it? no reference

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>>3131059
Tnx m'dude!

>>3130296
nigga just draw boxes in perspective

>>3130783
practice perspective and gesture drawing, what book do you use ?

>>3131112

I really appreciate how even now I can slowly see you trying to get better at the shit people told you was off, those bodies are still a little fucky but not nearly as bad as just a few days ago

>>3130984
Hampton has a nice book, Anon. You should go and read it

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>>3131132
tnx anon, since my gf broke up with me I've had nothing beter to do than drawing and really wanne get better at it. mean alot that you think I'm improving ;)

>>3131239
btw arms still to short?

What other boards am I allowed to post my art to? I'm looking to optimize my ass pats

>>3131242
Yes.

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I told myself that I'll practice 6 hours a day every day but now I found out that I have hemorrhoids

what do I do /BEG/?

>>3131256
1. draw 30 minutes
2. stand up and walk for a minute
3. go back to work

>>3131258
Too late for that now
I called my hemorrhoid Steven

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>>3131247
Beter?

>>3131281
his general proportions are fucked, his upper body is way too long and his lower body too small. also what the fuck is that neck it looks like sth from a shitty horror flick

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Crit pls. Any good book to learn heads?

>>3131306
Lurk more.

>>3131309
Not really a helpful suggestion

>>3131306
>any good book to learn heads
you do this on purpose dont you? loomis isn't a meme because of nothing, his head construction method is pretty good.

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What the more advanced artists think about this method to learn and construct figures?

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So guys trying to get serious.

Will try to improve fast wish me luck.

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How can I draw by imagination?

>>3131334

Virgin sacrifice

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Day 5. Any other Anons doing gestures?

>>3131334
You have to imagine the thing you want to draw, and then you draw the thing on the page.

>>3131334
Just draw from memory and changes things on the paper. That's what imagination is.

>>3130975
Too much Loomis man too much.

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>>3131239
study any book teaching proportions or compare to refs. If you draw without looking at reference material IT WILL BE WRONG. Your intuitions are WRONG. You need to OBSERVE. i tried to capture how warped your understanding is atm.

Absolute beginner going along with Drawabox for basic fundamental practice, I'm at the point of trying to do 3D form intersections but can't get it

I'm trying to google other references for form intersections but all I'm getting are guides on how to do it in 3D modeling programs, not drawing, is there a better source for studying that shit elsewhere

>>3131524
have an example of what you're struggling with?

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>>3131290
>>3131455
better? feels less like a kid what was what I was going for, but the anatomy feels better.

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These are my first real attempts at drawing gesture. Most took about a minute to draw. Am I on the right track? I feel like I may not be capturing the movement as much as I am just focusing on the contours.

I am beginner of 3 weeks and want to get better asap. I can easily draw for 12+ hours a day but I seem to just be drawing random shit which i don't think is helping to improve. Could someone tell me exactly what I should be drawing and I will do it

>>3131579
Loomis.

>>3131571
You can verify it yourself. Look at reference material, put it next to it. Do it. Seriously man.

>>3131581
that's not helpful

>>3131455

It might be disproportion but the drawing is still better than whatever the fuck you're doing.

>>3131579
depends on your objective

>>3131592
just to be able to draw anything I want to a good enough standard to sell

>>3131112

Learn how to break things into simple geometric shapes and learn how to draw those things in perspective.

>>3131329
Use a grid

>>3131585
Okay. Read loomis, then draw it.

>>3131604
read the books in which order? and when you say draw it do you mean draw people from photos or imagination, and should I be colouring it or just drawing?

>>3131586
my drawing to the left of his is an emulation of his proportions.

>>3131608
Fun with a pencil. photos. No color.

just got Sai again after a long break

does anyone have any idea how to get zoom/drag zoom on the pen button? I can't seem to remember how I did it last time

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Hey can't find a qtddtot thread
Is there a specific name for this kind of effect?

>>3131608
loomis is unironically a meme, read the sticky then read keys to drawing so you know how to measure before you waste 6 months symbol drawing faces and bodies

>>3131660
>>3126562

>>3131658
Chromatic Aberration, like, a lot of it.

>>3131683
Thanks.

>>3131036
Paint tool sai with a brush that blends as you draw with it

where can I get the most ass pats from? sometimes I'll go on cam sites and show off my art to random normies and they give me some nice ass pats but I need more validation

>>3131768
Be half decent.
Make an Insta.
Draw pretty people on Insta, they might pat your ass.
Unless you're shit, in wich case they'll politely ignore you.
Or you could just show mommy.

is using toned paper cheating? all my work looks better now that I've been using toned paper

>>3131782
No. There's a reason paintings usually tone the canvas first.

It allows you to make highlights in the drawing.

>>3131663
sorry i meant he is a meme for beginners, especially someone with only three months experience

So how beginner is beginner threads considered?

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>>3131817
pretty shitter-tier but at least these people know they're bad and actively trying to improve, that already makes them leagues ahead of muhstylers and adult dunning-krugers who have been drawing for 10 years and still make art that looks like a 5-year old did it

>>3131817
>>3131821
Interesting I'm always anioux about posting drawing stuff here as I'm meh at drawing. It's different with /3/ as its hard to tell if people are actually bad or just doing it for shits and giggles, I'm miles ahead in 3d to figure drawing though

>>3131831
Well you already know critique will help you get better. No harm in posting, worst you will get is a "its shit" but shitposts are easily ignored.

>>3130875
Please respond. ;_;

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This is just a bit of practice. I'm making a good amount of progress in ability, I think.

>>3131861
I guess if you're desperate I'm here.

Your torsos are all disproportionately long, just be aware of that fix it.
You're going in and adding detail on figures you seem you barely had time to finish, or in some cases didn't.
I suggest drawing through the figures, by which I mean draw the continuation of the leg THROUGH the body, don't just draw what you see but the entire limb even if it's blocked from view.
If you use those curvs on the body to try and find form while drawing I suggest drawing through on those as well, draw the full ellipse through the body.

>>3131878
Thank you! Sorry for the desperation, I posted my shitty figure drawings for the past 3 threads, and didn't get a response.

yeah, I could see my torsos look a bit wonky, I'll take a look at some anatomy books, and try to fix them.

What do you mean by detail? Like when I add the fingers and whatnot? What's better in this case, focus on the figure and put the details aside?

Alright! I'll try drawing things through the body!

>I suggest drawing through on those as well, draw the full ellipse through the body.

Can you clarify what you mean by this?

Anyway, thank you so much for the response!

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From last thread, tried working on perspective.

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Trying to improve on color scheme, background, lines and hair mostly. What should I be focusing most of my attention on improving first?

>>3131914
Blog? How do I get as good as you?

>>3131897
By detail I meant the curved lines on the body, I think you think they either add depth or help you find it but I don't know if they're actually accomplishing that for you.
They may just be wasted time.
If you changed just drawing a curve on the portion you actually see, and started drawing the curve's full shape which is an ellipse. Drawing that through may help you get an idea of the figure's full form.

Also just a tip when you're looking at anatomy understand how everything influences each other.
Going back to what I'm trying to say with drawing through, don't be mislead by the superficial appearances of things, what's behind and underneath influences what you see. Don't get stuck in the idea of the human body being like one of those mannequins you see with tube limbs. For instance your arm is several bones, covered in muscle, all constantly shifting and changing form. I know how obvious that is, but I was an idiot who didn't really grasp that and got caught up in thinking too much in strict nonfluid forms. Simplified forms are fine but don't think so simplistically or you'll run into the same set back I did.

Sorry to get long winded, also take what I say with a grain of salt. I'm in /beg/ too after all.

>>3130472
In FwaP he says it's the eye socket several times. I think he just wants to simplify anatomy for the sake of getting you up to speed with construction.

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how am I doing

>>3130472
its almost like people don't have the same face

>>3131917
You don't, we're ngmi.

>>3131976
dude look at any female's hairline, it starts next to the ear, it gets fairly close to the eyes.. right now she looks like a bald girl with a wig, it almost made me threw up my mcdonalds

the anatomy is really weird too but I'll leave that to someone more experienced to give you pointers

>>3131937
Thanks for the point outs, m8!
Really appreciate someone replying!

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>>3132026
needs clear light source

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>>3132026
some stuff still bugged me

I thought this would likely be the place to ask for these kind of things. So:
I wanna be OK at drawing. Not good, not bad, just consistently OK. I want to be able to draw what I think of somewhat reasonably.
More specifically, I am mostly interested in drawing qt anime and bara boys and things like backgrounds. I recently started doing studies of human faces and things like hands and feet everyday for about an hour but I am wondering if I am actually learning anything.
What do, /ic/?

>>3132137
Anytime you draw, you're learning and getting better. You just can't tell very well at the beginning, but in a month or so, you might be able to. It really depends on whether or not you're looking for improvements. Usually redrawing things help tell you that you're going down the right path since it'll come out better. The best thing you can do to be OK at drawing is to copy, copy, copy. Copy from life, copy from photos, copy from comics, copy anime, copy backgrounds, copy the stuff you want to draw. Then try to draw these things from memory and even put them together creatively. That's imaginative work. Studies are good if they are helping you figure out an immediate problem, but if you're studying for a long term thing, then yeah, you might not think you're learning anything. So it's your choice.

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>>3131976
rev feedback. my excuse to draw anime girls

>>3132146
Who is that artist?

>>3132120
>>3132128
thank you!!

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>>3132147
from here https://twitter.com/rei_17/status/906304908424495104

>>3132151
They had a somewhat of a different style so I didn't realize, thanks.

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>Realizing you accidentally drew ben 10 with tits when you color in the hair

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>>3132162
where's your light source? lighting makes very little sense. also not digging the dirty shading palette. cool pose

>>3132172
Thanks for the fix up.

>>3132146
thanks for the feedback
I get the hairline, neck/collarbone area and arm anatomy adjustments
but how'd you establish that angle for the right leg? I just kind of eyeballed it when I did it and understood that it didn't look right somehow

>>3132180
I'm kinda going by intuition with that leg angle. And my intuition is informed by attending life drawing for a while now.

I tried to resolve it where it doesn't look like the thigh is flat nor the knee is broken.

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I honestly just doodle to relieve stress, but what do y'all think of what I do?

is it okay to use image ref instead of a live model for keys to drawing

>>3132199
Impressive stuff for just doodling and stress relief.

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Does this outline look OK? Can I start adding shading/details or is there something off that I'm missing?

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>>3132219

When I was a kid, 8-13yo, I used to draw comic and anime characters (Dragon Ball, Saint Seiya, etc).

Also drew a lot of comics and would gift them to some people, random ass stories, etc.

Anyway, I wanna get back to it. But I don't wanna go back to pencil/paper kinda drawing, I'd prefer to get pens/mechanical pencils and tools that make things way easier. I know a good artist can draw awesome shit out of a napkin and an old ball point pen. I'm not trying to impress anyone, just wanna draw for myself, the max I wanna draw is a something that I can hang above my bed header in a frame.

Anyway, what's a good mechanical pencil, or pencil that's easy on the hand?

What do you call those easy to erase blue pencils people use for initial sketch? (skeleton/shape)

You got a recommended how to draw anime book? I did a google search but obviously too many choices.

I'm also an adult with a good paying job, so I don't mind having a budget from $100-$500 for pencils/erasers/markers/whatever (unless it turns out that's way underbudget for this)

From my understanding, the process is skeleton in that blue pencil, then sketch in black pencil, then marker for the good lines, and then erase all the pencil stuff (This coming from art I've comissioned in the past)

So I'd like to figure out how to kick-start this. I'm not looking to be an artist, I just wanna draw for myself and not suck at it.

>>3131429

But I can't NOT loomis.

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>>3131110
how are these?

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Is my shadowing shitty? How do I make it better?

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>>3132280
You... I'm curious. How much practice do you do?

>>3132286
seriously? just critique it or fuck off

>>3132281
Join an art discord in the sticky and ask there.

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>>3132220
Welp nobody answered so I went along with it anyway. Is this any good? I know the beard is a bit awkward

>>3132286
Does it matter? You're not him. You will create work in your time, not his.

There's entirely too much attention on time here. This isn't a race. You will finish work according to your own talent, resources, creativity, and motivation. How long other people take is a meaningless number.

>>3132280
>Learn to draw contour lines.
>LOOK at what you're drawing - you're symbol drawing, you're drawing what you think is there.
>Stop cheating on things like hair. Hair has a shape, a texture, you're just doing random lines hoping it works.

Honestly, this is the "starting point" kind of work you see in the beginning of an art 101 course, or what Betty Edwards of "Drawing On The Right Side Of The Brain" saw at the beginning of the semester, with people who no training in drawing.

Is it horrible? No. Does it show any real talent or skill? No. Your job is to go from "not horrible" to "skilled'. The stickied threads have resources on what to look at, to get there.

>>3132276
You're over thinking it. Buy some pencils, and some drawing pads - Strathmore are pretty good, and start drawing. Don't worry about blue pencils. (They're non-photo blue, btw) If you're aiming for inked lines, normal pencil is fine. However you get to the final inked lines is fine, especially as you're not going to need to learn industry best practices.

>>3132137
The same thing everyone else does. Go to the stickied threads, read them, try the things listed there. Your goals are your own, but the beginning steps are the same for everyone - pick up a pencil, try to draw something.

>>3132341
how does the fact that there's no reference affect this?

>Learn to draw contour lines.
for faces? ive never seen that suggested for portrait, what do you mean?

>Stop cheating on things like hair. Hair has a shape, a texture, you're just doing random lines hoping it works.
its literally meant to be choppy/messy

>>3132339
thank you a lot of people seem to not understand that you draw when you draw and they just default to the 'not gonna make it meme'

>>3132351
>its literally meant to be choppy/messy
>i-i meant it to look like shit

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>>3132352
kek. something like this but not as wavy

>>3132353
I don't care what you were going for, it's really awful and you should feel bad for trying to defend it

>>3132355
okay sorry killing myself now

>>3132280
holy hell, how has your art not changed at all in a year? did you take a year break?

>>3132364
from drawing faces yes pretty much. and ill probably do the same again and not draw faces for a few months and post again

So depressing that I've been putting off drawing for 3 years..

Most of the resources and books for beginners haven't changed since... Time to get to work I guess.

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bought 'Figure drawing for all its worth' today, haven't started reading yet.

Which books do you guys suggest for composition or lighting?

>>3132517
Not a fan of reading off a monitor?

>>3132523
No, I prefer paper.

>>3132523
The thing about reading something on your computer monitor is that you can easily tab out and fuck around on the Internet. When you're in front of a physical book, though, it's harder to get distracted, IMO

>>3132523
Reading from a monitor sucks. I personally hate it. Like scanlated manga makes me want to barf.

>>3132310
uniform background generally should have all the same stroke direction. then it actually looks like a background on a different plane

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first time doing hands

>>3132544
Pretty good for a first time.

nr.2 seems a bit disfigured though and all the fingers (except the ones that are closed) are too long. In general, when we look straight at it, the palm is bigger than the fingers are.

>>3130746
I say, if you have the tools, use them
I've seen quite a few speeded up videos for professional illustrators like the LoL splash art and what not, and they always move shit around to fix their fucked up anatomy/perspective.

It's not like you're tracing shit, and even those get away with it quite a bit.

>>3131721
look at the cheekbones. hers juts out immediately after the eyes, yet you made it several inches lower instead
its good that you're trying to recognize the forms though, just make it more accurate.

also you pushed her lips out too far, looks like she's pouting. also the area between the eyebrows are too wide and too thick; her features are more refined.

>>3131334
Watching a lot of pictures, and I mean A LOT, what you need to train is your eye, to analyze how lines and shapes and everything is formed, or the way a particular artist solves his compositions.

Then you can start solving a drawing by yourself when you have an idea of how to solve a problem, before having an idea it's very hard but it's also more spontaneous. There will be gap between your ideas and your drawings, that's when you start practicing a lot, to close the gap between your thoughts and what your hand does to tame your tool, but before that training your eye to understand and identify how things are made up is what gives you comfort and guidance on how to draw from imagination.

Once you have both the understanding of how things are made up, and the experience of projecting them on a 2d surface, is when you can start bending the rules and making up your own to how you like things to be, identify your strenghts and weaknesses, and either improve what you hate doing, or abuse what you're good at for emphasis and style. But if you start doing it backwards you might get frustrated as your work won't look as good, it's totally viable and it's the natural way most people learn to draw, by doodling random stuff when they were kids without any boundaries or rules or ideas, but when you want specific results it can be somewhat frustrating.|

>>3130944
>why inspired you to create art?
Akira Toriyama, love his style. I'm learning the fundamentals so I can stylize like him and make my own comics. Or work for Marvel/DC with a realistic approach if the other fails.
>what is your favorite medium?
Tradicional. Inks, watercolour and markers. I only use digital for gradients and screentones.
>what are you currently having issues with in regards to your art?
Body anatomy. I dedicated so much time for drawing the head, the rest of anatomy suffered. Once I get hold of body anatomy I'll start to stylize my stuff a bit. So excited.

>>3132555
thanks

>>3130944
I don't know I've always been drawing. You'd think I'd actually been good by now.

I primarily work in Pencil but I should really try to branch out and improve else where.

Everything but perspective and form is something I' covet most of all. Nothing makes me more jealous than when an artist can apparently effortlessly make something that can feel 3 dimensional and solid.

>>3132609
>I don't know I've always been drawing. You'd think I'd actually been good by now.
>Everything but perspective and form is something I' covet most of all. Nothing makes me more jealous than when an artist can apparently effortlessly make something that can feel 3 dimensional and solid.
Talent the post.

>>3132612
Talent might be an illusion, but intelligence is real and my dumbass is a slow learner that realizes things too late.
Also I'm lazy.

>>3132640
>Also I'm lazy
Main problem found, now get to work.

>>3132645
I've been on it.
I'e been drawing more than usual. Found some life model classes.
I FEEL like I'm improving but it's probably more just that I'm enjoying drawing, not actual improvement.

>>3131917
>>3132005
Hah, well thats a big confidence boost, thanks. Still would like to be critiqued tho please

How do I not make me want to kill myself while attempting gesture drawing?

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Pic from the /ref/ thread, tips on how to color?

>>3132733
I also want to know.

>>3132733
>>3132784
Just fucking draw, what the fuck is wrong with you fuckers? This is an art board, not a psychotherapy board.

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My first attempt at painting with "color" and """shading""".
It's all kinds of fucked up, but i like it for some reason.

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How can I memorize all these planes?

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Trying to actually finish my first digital piece.

Could anyone give me some feedback on this?

>>3132795
How else do you memorize things? By trying to do them from memory. If it's wrong, see what's wrong, fix your memory.

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I've noticed a lot of /beg/ tier professional art in video games. Is getting a job just about connections?

>>3132863
No, it's about being able to do the job you're given. Most people here can't even follow basic instructions.

>>3132785
Post gesture drawing.

>>3132863
How is that /beg/

>>3132863
Do you really want to know why you'll never get a job in the art field?

>>3132786
Color? You mean value, right?

>>3132863

That's not /beg/ tier. Whoever painted that have some understanding of fundamentals.

This >>3132786 is /beg/ tier

Card games illustration are usually not picky. If you can do what the art director tells you. You're good to go. If you have good grasp on the fundamentals and awesome creativity, even better.

Connections helps but you don't really need it. Do good job, good personality and good taste you can get jobs.

>>3132887
It's funny, i started with color and ended up with black & white without even noticing.
I think only the background survived and has some hue in it.

>>3130944
>I've always wanted to create things. Sometimes I dream about being compared to Leonardo, despite the chances of that being slim to none
>I'm in /beg/, so the pencil.
>I have fantastic line control when I'm focusing specifically on it, but it's abysmal otherwise.

>i joined /beg/ a year ago
>eric is still at the exact same level, still drawing the exact same things from the same angles
fucking kek

>>3132885
yes please I want to know

>>3132544
>>3132795
either natural talent or not /beg/

>>3132533
yet he's on a tablet

thinking of investing in a drawpad. are there any good ones that wont completely break the bank (<$200)?

>>3133005
i have a huion h610 pro and its great

>>3133029
>>3133029
>>3133029

>>3133029
>>3133029
>>3133029

>>3133029
>>3133029
>>3133029

>>3132927
Who is Eric?

>>3132786
You cannot shade correctly if you don't understand the planes of the head.
Also I'm not an expert but I think values should be stronger. Observe examples in reality or just take a pic of yourself.

>>3131281
I highly recommend you understand and internalize the phrase, "Don't polish a turd". You wasted time shading that picture when you could have drawn numerous figures to actually help with your gesture work and anatomy.

>>3131586
You are a special kind of stupid if you think his intention was to draw a better version. What do you think the arrows meant?