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Beginner Thread

Because we should not have to make new threads or post in draw threads with our fundamental exercises. Feel free to post even the smallest exercise you have done to show you are still trying, do not give up.

Do not forget to resize and crop your images before uploading them. 1kpx is fine.

→ → → → Before asking "what should I read/view/study/learn," consult the sticky: >>1579290 → → → →

Questions go in the QUESTION THREAD
This is for posting studys & getting critique.


>Thread study: Alright! Sicne it look slike there is a demnad for figure drawing, lets do this! inb4 hurr durr its a male...

TRY TO BE MORE ACTIVE AND GIVE PEOPLE SOME FEEDBACK - there are many studies left unreplied, which is bit sad and can be quite demotivating for the people that try their best to improve, but are left directionless.

Old thread: >>2285034
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>>2289338
>TRY TO BE MORE ACTIVE AND GIVE PEOPLE SOME FEEDBACK - there are many studies left unreplied, which is bit sad and can be quite demotivating for the people that try their best to improve, but are left directionless.
good more tears means less competition.
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does anybody have the link to the full set of that guy? >>2289338
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>>2289344
competition for what?
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>>2289350

Somebody wants to draw some tiny Asian balls.
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>>2289383
being the meanest cunt in art world, basing on his comment
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was wondering if anyone here know if this is a good book
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>>2289409
It's not as comprehensive in certain areas like feet and whatnot and iirc there are some anatomical issues but I'm enjoying it and if you supplement it with something like FDFAIW, Bridgeman or a more medical anatomy book you'll have a good time.
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>>2289350
I think its in artbook thread. "Various stages of undress" or something.
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>>2289401
anon pls. that guy has a bigger bulge than you do
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>>2289409
Like with most of these, as long as you don't take it as the only resource. He teaches at CGMA I think.
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>>2289412
>FDFAIW ?

thx for the reply
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>>2289383
>>2289405
being perfect and having the best comics on /pol/
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>>2289420
Loomis' Figure Drawing (For all it's worth), hampton will be best with a sense of human proportion out of the gate so I'd wholeheartedly recommend it if you've any intention to draw from imagination. Have fun anon.
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So I'm going through drawing on the right side of the brain, did the first few exercises, should I move on or keep doing the same exercises over and over again until it kind of looks good?
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>>2289424
again, thx you.
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I was watching Sycra's video. Is this how you draw noses?

Any glaring problems.
I'll be sure to use blank paper next time.
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>>2289423
You something that isn't possible?
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why is the three quarter view face so hard to draw

im a beginner
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>>2289460
Because you don't understand perspective and how to perceive 3D space on a canvas.
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>>2289462
fuck you mate dont talk to me like that
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is drawing with two pencils required? He didn't mention it at all thus far. does anyone here do it too?
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>>2289482
yes, you should be always dual wielding and drawing with both hands!
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>>2289483
FUK
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>>2289489
You got 3 hands for a reason. Use'em!
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Progress, in terms of stylization?
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>>2289450
best cartoon besides the bravo.
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>>2289509
Don't let the SJW's catch you
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>>2289515
But I'm black so it's chill bruh.
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i have been studying vilppu and doing 60 second gesture drawings, i am getting better at understanding the body and proportions etc.at the beginning my 60 second gesture drawings were good but the more i learn the shittier my quick 60 second drawings get, is there something wrong ?
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>>2289509
what kinda question is that?

um
no?
maybe?
they're pretty much the same in terms of style
with just different features

if thats what your asking?
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last time i drew i really messed up really badly but this time i tried again and its not perfect or anything i still did lots wrong but its ok its lots better than the first two attempts and now im feeling happier about my drawing im glad i was really really brave and decided to draw again despite being so :( about my first two attempts which left me disheartednd
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>>2289533
Proportions?
Is the pose dynamic enough
is it too much too little, I dunno dude I used to people shitting on me while giving me tips. maybe I'm just a sadist.
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>>2289532
If this is just one/two sessions, then you need to take a break. If that's not the problem, you're probably just over thinking it. Try to FEEL it out more.
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>>2289539
fucking kek, no i have been going for a week. so just take a break from the 60 second gesture drawings ?
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I whipped this up. I was just messing around and while I feel like it's okay, I know it's further proof I need to get back to basics.

I really just need the motivation.
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>>2289544
Usually when you stop seeing improvement, you get off that subject and trying practicing some other things. It's the same way you go about a drawing. You spend some time on a certain area, then come to a sudden halt of little progression. You take your mind of it and just focus on another section of the picture.
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>>2289558
thanks for this advice, i'll try it.
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>>2289338
Could you rate mine?
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>>2289588
I'm actually trying, I'm new.
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rate, thanks
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>>2289601
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hello again.

help again please
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magic conch shell, will I become a good artist someday?
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>>2289629
shit posted an old wip: here's the latest
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Trying to draw Irelia but I really have no idea what I'm doing. Any thoughts?
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>>2289415

Come on now. Dude is four foot tall and weighs about eighty pounds- any bulge would look impressive.
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>>2289634
is that a cock or just really fat mons? i personally think it looks nice
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>>2289686
Your proportions are off and she's pretty much missing her entire sternocleidomastoid( the big neck muscles). I recommend really making sure your figure is correct before jumping into clothing.
Also her hairline is weird on her face along with her general facial structure. Make sure you get that shit down before going into painting. For the hair, it looks like it's sitting over her head like a hat because of the shadow on her forehead.
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>>2289699

That's really useful advice, thank you! On this drawing I didn't draw a figure first (bad habit, I know) so I just drew each detail as I got to it. I also started painting before the outlines were done because honestly, I got bored.

I'll try to fix the things you pointed out (and in the future avoid them entirely). I really appreciate the reply!
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>>2289703
no worries man. This board has a bit of a boner for anatomy so there's lots of resources and stuff if you look around in any of the book threads if you need them.
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>>2289686
Please stop painting like that.
First, construct properly.
Starting with boxing in the correct proportions, then move onto 3d construction of limbs, will make you realize the volumes and the directions of the planes.
Then, shade the blocky 3d planes figure, in greyscale
Then, and only then, if you made no big mistakes from the very beginning, get into color.

No skill in color can ever fix what you have, and your coloring is absolutely horrible in the first place anyway. If you want efficiency, learn from the order I gave you.

In any case you need, at the very least, construction, badly. The face is completely messed up and looks like it's been on a microwave, like melted cheese.
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help
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Hi i just start drawing like 2 Months ago

and i can't draw human face because i spent most of my time watching furry porn in the past

Any tips about drawing/construct human face?
>inb4 Loomis
I finished reading that and watched Vipplu video and i can't draw decent face
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>>2289791
>furry porn
end yourself degenerate
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>>2289794
I know... i want to redeem my self...
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>>2289590
>>2289588
dont lie
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thoughts?
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>>2289801
Needsmoreloomis
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Hello
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So I drew this for the tower girls thread and I wanted some critique, because I don't really know how good/bad I am.
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>>2289851
Regardless of wether this is the result of bad perspective, bad anatomy or simply overzealous stylization, I strongly recommend that you do some thinking on how chests should relate to hips.
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>>2289905
>that paper
Fuck you. You don't deserve a critique. Use proper paper then we can talk.
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>>2289643
Flat. Fucked perspective. Learn construction and perspective.
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>>2289941
Wow you're not going to give me a critique just because I used squared paper?
That's fucking stupid but okay.
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>>2289945
It is the right thing to do. Using squared paper for drawing is wrong.
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>>2289634
stop drawing anime and you will
[spoiler]if it's what you wanna draw, sure. as long as it makes you happy but if you ever have a hunger or a need to improve, pick up from the beginning and forget everything you have learned[/spoiler]
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>>2289946
How old are you 13?
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>>2289686
study the body , vilppu and hampton are pretty good , also look at anatomy books. don't try and construct a character without fully establishing a solid basis , meaning make sure you have your figure/gesture all set then you move on, if you don't it'll end up looking like something off of DA.
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>>2289791
did you FEEL IT ?
constructing a face is just mainly learning how to draw the features, if you know how to draw eyes/mouths/noses/etc it all just falls on the placement and distribution/proportion/perspective. loomis should of really helped you
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>>2289905
just have more confidence in your lines and keep studying , you can look at anatomy books to get a better feel on how things should look, the hands and legs are a bit off and on the face it looks like her left eye is wandering too far.
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>>2289975
I alway fail to "Construct" it i alway draw flat looking face i also have trouble with face shape and jaw , I don't want to go full Animu style but not too realism either.

I finish both Vipplu and Loomis maybe finish it again is a good idea
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How should I know if I'm ready to study humans?
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>>2289981
thanks
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Critique pls
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>>2289997
You are. Go for it.
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I did a quick redline because I though it'd be fun.
I changed:
The torso, because it can't bend like that, and I shortened it.
the broom, because she was holding it really unnaturally
the design of the hat, because it was ugly
and the size of the head, because yours was too big.
sorry about how sketchy it is, like I said I drew it fast
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>>2290026
I cannot even put ellipse in perspective you ruseman ;_;
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>>2290030
sorry meant to reply to
>>2289905
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>>2290030
>>2290035
Thank you very much.

About the hat: I just redrew it like it was in the towergirls orginal, wanted to stay as close as possible to the original design.

In general I was trying to go for something that has a lot of flow in it, hence the unrealistic pose. But what do you recommend me to do?
I thought about looking into some comic artists since they seem to know a lot when it comes to anatomy and flow.
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>>2290032
Go through a book about perspective, then you should be ready to dabble in some figure drawing.
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>>2290041
a drawing can be realistic and still have flow. You just need to exaggerate the movement. I think you should do some figure drawing and then when you get better you should come back to stylization.
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>>2290032
Draw a rectangle in perspective and then make an ellipse with the sides as tangents.
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>>2290001
i meant right eye but im sure you got the gist
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>>2289984
try going over it again, using perspective can help by bringing life into your work and adding a realistic definition. don't worry about style for now ,just practice
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>>2290052
I don't understand where the fuck it's wrong
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>>2290085
The plane you have placed the ellipse on isn't a square, it's much longer so it is distorting the ellipse and making it look more like a circle.
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>>2290085
You did not draw the ellipse in perspective.
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My goal is to be good at sketching digitally. I want to be able to communicate something as accurately as needed and as quickly as possible.
Should I be using rotation, pan and zoom or should I put in the extra time to learn making any mark in any size anywhere on the page in any direction? I'm having trouble controlling my lines and the only advice my literature and videos give me is to basically practice one particular curve to perfection and then rotate the paper/canvas to accomodate that line. I suspect that this isn't compatible with a sketching workflow though. Any pointers?
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>>2290091
ah so basically I'm trying to fit circle into rectangle, that's why it looks wrong guess I'll have to redraw the whole thing thanks
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when studying anatomy i should try to replicate (draw) and get and understanding of the given parts , correct ?
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>>2290099
When eating food, i should place the food in my mouth, chew, and then swallow it to gain energy, correct?

wtf why so many questions like this recently. stop being so afraid of not doing everything the "right" way
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>>2290100
>When eating food, i should place the food in my mouth, chew, and then swallow it to gain energy, correct?
anal insertion is always an option.
you're right though , i guess im just being too cautious.
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So here's perfect square in 2point(found with measuring point projection on it's vertical), and ellipse
Does it looks like a fucking proper ellipse
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>>2289782
Thanks, you're absolutely right about drawing order. I'll scrap this drawing and practice drawing the basics of anatomy before continuing. I appreciate the response!

>>2289971

Thanks, from the responses now I know exactly what I should work to improve.

>if you don't it'll end up looking like something off of DA.

Fate worse than death
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>>2290112
look at bottom left corner of the square and then the bottom right. ellipse is uneven (even in perspective)
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>>2290119
Well I don't know then. Can you redline it?
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>>2290094
Also do you know any artists who are particularly good at sketching digitally? I want to cannibalize their technique and workflow.
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>>2290112
It's best to just do the dividing thing in a square, then create a second square inside whose vertices fall on the halfway marks in the first square. Halfway between the big square's vertices and the sides of the inner, smaller square is approxiamately where the edge of the ellipse should fall.
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>>2290133
Tablets broken and i dont feel like scanning my loomis pages, here's an extremely shitty example on MS paint.
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>>2290139
yeah it fits
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good to know that figure study in the op was a bad idea. it wont happen again anytime soon
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>>2290158
Probably because it's an asian twink undressing. Would work better with a woman or a more manly body/pose.
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First time doing master study... Would Rembrandt kick my ass if he saw this?
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>>2290162
>Would work better with a woman
it doesent get more generic than that, get out of your comfortzone faggot!
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>>2289786
I like this.
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>>2290030
anything less and id redline your redline.
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>>2290173

It's looking good, but it's a little undefined and blurry.
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>>2289905
Since the other kid did a somewhat okay redline I wont super impose but ill add something that isnt addressed. So much so that I see very experienced artists make the mistake. The symbol for the eyelashes in your drawing needs to change when you change the perspective of the face. thats because eyelashes go forward as opposed to outward, you seem them going outward because the eye is rounded hence the part you see most is the outwards going lashes going outward towards the exterior of the face. Did said, it means you need to flip the symbol of your eyelashes and have both of them facing the same way once you read a moment within the transition of your face when it is turned.

Anyway, good luck.
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>>2290226
I'm just going by what I've seen from study threads here in the past that take off or don't.
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>>2290235
everything I do is blurry af, yeah. I need to work on that
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>>2289338
Hey, /ic/.

Could I get some critique, please? Forgive the quality. I had to contrast this picture to hell and back because I use a 2H pencil in the drafting stage, and it's really dark in my apartment right now.

I'm worried about Samus in her zero suit outfit. Is her anatomy in check? Something feels wrong about the torso-to-hip ratio, but it might just be the pose. In which case, how do I improve it? Also, how is her left leg looking?
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I try doing a photo study of a porn star but it came out shitty. Any crits on how to get likeness and how to draw/render what you see basically.
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I have to unplug my mouse in order for my tablet to work properly.
Is there a way to right click with the stylus?
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>>2290347
yes, if there is a button on the side of your stylus just push that
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took advice from last anon that critted my stuff and re studied light on forms, anyone tell me glaringly wrong things on this?
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>>2290384
Looks a couple shades darker than it needs to be. Unless that's what you're going for.
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>>2290387
i was making him black pigmented so i guess

still dont understand highlight to normal tone relationship
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>>2290384
Very dark. If you toned the paper around it it might look better.
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>>2290391
mm

i'll experiment with lighter ones and do the tone around them, thanks
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>>2289694
it's a boy anon
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when do i find the motivation to do real studies instead of just copying what i see from my image folders?
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>>2290399
i"m never gonna git gud this way
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>>2290390
>>2290393
You could possibly be limiting yourself with these darker tones.Try to make a pure black on the page count, use it sparingly.
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>>2290402
>>2290399

Learning to draw from observation is important.
If you're going to do it though, at least try to do it from life or at least photographs rather than other artists unless you're explicitly studying their style.
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>>2290404
Not understanding, like use a black background and use lighter tones on the skin?
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>>2290410
Give your object more grays than white or blacks.
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>>2290414
alright, thanks
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Should I use images like these as references as though they're real people or should I just study the techniques used in them?
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>>2289801

You re-used the same expression for several characters.

Try not to rely on that "ennui" expression.
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>>2290422

Study the techniques used in them. One of my favorite hobbies is to catch some of my favorite modern artists streaming their art. So many of them do things differently, some will begin with a gesture of a pose, others will do a stick figure, and there's one who just tackled the pose/figure without any buildup.

Never use another artists work in place of real people/life. If you're aiming to improve, drawing from life is the best way to improve.
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>>2290384
how do you shade like this
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>>2290434
with a shitty mechanical pencil

you just sorta layer the graphite a lot
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how'd i do? can anyone tell me on how to improve line weight?
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>>2290440
final picture
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>>2290440
>>2290442
Learn to draw.
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>>2290497
i just started tuesday
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>>2290440
well im not an artist and i don't even draw but I think the shading makes it looks like it's trying to be like a real life drawing but then at the same time it's a cartoon with a cartoony look so it looks better before any shading was done
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>>2289338

I started doing this for something to do - I've never actually tried drawing building/structure stuff before so the stairs should be fun (any advice welcome).
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>>2290504
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>>2290510
>>2290504
does this look any better?
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>>2290505

Shrink your images before posting them here.

Construct humans underneath clothing so that you can make sure their bodies are in proportion. Don't just draw sleeves and have a hand sticking out.

Loomis.
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>>2290514
Woops, my mistake.

But, thanks for the feedback
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>>2290511
nvm
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>>2290440
>>2290442
the line weight really isn't a concern at this point. you should be practicing the absolute basics; shapes and line control and all that. if you literally started this week you can't expect to be able to draw decent people for a while.
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>>2290535
what are some good books on those?
should i just read "successful drawing" by loomis?
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>>2290542
learn how to see and copy images

now use those skills to go after loomis and such

and keep praticing
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>>2290542
your first big hurdle like any starting artist is getting over symbol drawing. the beginner's guide in the sticky has some good books on that.

once you break that habit then think about tackling loomis.
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>>2290384

don't even bother with smooth gradients or blending. Where you are right now, it's only fucking up your perception and depiction of values and muddying shit.

Instead, work on identifying a small range (3-5) values in your reference image, and depicting them chunkily on the picture itself. Blocking out the shapes and keeping the values consistently separate will train your eye to better recognize midtones, which are often lighter than you think and easiest way to screw up a whole painting.

EM Gist talks about values and edges and shapes here http://www.conceptart.org/forums/showthread.php/60753-huge-download!-Figure-drawing-tutorial-updated-with-PDF

which is really one of the better guides I've found for the subject other than immersing yourself in an atelier and paying out the ass. Harold Speed talks heavily about it here https://archive.org/details/practicescienceo00speerich - particularly in the chapter called "mass drawing," but he talks a lot about nothing and isn't a lot of fun to read because he doesn't demonstrate what he means very well with the plates chosen.

Finally, just study how masters did their studies. You can really easily see how the grouping and understanding of values shows up in their studies better than paintings. Francis Vallejo has a bunch on his inspiration blog
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>>2290552
>symbol drawing
I don't really understand this
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>>2290555
you know how noses, in the real world, don't consist of one ski-slope line and a dot for a nostril, but you chose to depict them that way as a stand-in for a nose?

That's what symbol drawing is. It's a shorthand for a more complex and shifting 3d object used repetitively by beginner artists that gets in the way of breaking down what they don't know and starting foundational skills.
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>>2290559
its choosing to depict an object with simpler lines in place of the actual object? so, is the opposite realism?
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>>2290564
it's drawing what your brain thinks things look like instead of what things actually look like.

depicting objects with simpler lines is something you do when you know how that object is constructed and can simplify it intelligently. being able to do represent things with a few simple lines is actually a goal when learning to draw. it's all about learning to do it in a smart way which you need fundamental knowledge to do.
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>>2290555
it's drawing things based on how you think it should be done or the way you learned it.
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>>2290555
>>2290564
really rough example that hopefully shows what it means
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Not sure if I should post here or ask the porn general.
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>>2289797
Piss off. I just started
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>>2290553
Damn, thanks dude, will do. I have been trying to group them off into groups and planes in my head I'm just not very good at it. Gist is also one of my favorite illustrators so I'm very glad I got to see this. Cheers dude.
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>>2290575
So just drawing without a structure going of basic knowledge?
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>>2290593
Well here's one I did with the help of the other anons

I still goofed and fucked up again though

also sorry for image size
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>>2290598
im not posting from a phone again
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>>2290598
>>2290603
You got more grays, so that's good. But I'm concerned at the actually anatomy of the arm. I don't see much of the muscles that make up the arm. If you're not using a reference, I'd suggest start using one now.
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>>2290605
yeah i just sorta got the big masses in there, i did mess up the placement of the triceps though, i am still heavily studying anatomy atm though
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Can someone show me what I did wrong. I am learning how to draw anime.

Also I am poor so sorry for paperline
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>>2290611
Although it's not super great with the him being lithe, try one of the arms of the op image. It's not as muscley as your previous practices but you can work your way up.
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>>2290612
you didn't learn structure, read loomis.
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>>2290612
if you wanna draw anime just learn the basics and then apply the simple anime style to create your own
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>>2290616
what are some good books for that?
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>>2290613
mmm sure, i need to stop drawing over glorified strongman arms anyway
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>>2290617
Read the sticky.
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>>2290622
Hey, somebody needs to use the OP at least once in this thread.
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>>2290625
kek
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>>2290625
Funny thing, I was in the middle of drawing OP and decided to look through the thread to see how others did. I am disappointed with you all but I'll post mine eventually since I'm in too deep now to stop.
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>>2290173
I think you could push the lighter values a lot more.
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Thinking about where I could be today if I never stopped drawing when I was younger makes me want to kill myself.
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>>2289851
Torso middle part too long.

Othervise fukken juicy m8
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>>2290637
Draw from now on, and stop thinking what if.
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>>2290158
>>2290162
>>2290243
If you can't draw that chink as well as any other person then stop complaining and go fucking draw him...
No bad models just bad artists.
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>>2290555

On symbol drawing taken from "Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain"

I recommend that all beginners read everything and practice all the exercises in the book, in fact it should be the very first book on art anyone should read, even before reading Loomis etc. It is the equivalent of learning the ABC's and grammatical structures before writing a story or learning arithmetic before attempting physics. The 5 skills learned from the book are the foundations of every single artist.

No other book will teach an individual faster or contain a more efficient method of preparing an individual into becoming an artist. Individuals will disassociate ingrained symbols, learn how to 'see' objects, abstract their forms and then translate what you see exactly onto paper. Eventually you learn to replace the symbols in your mind with more detailed studies.

Whenever you hear someone talk about an artist's "mental library" they are talking about the part of your brain that spits out symbols. A novice will pull information from a single Dr. Seuss book where a professional may have a row of anatomy books, sculptures, copies of other artist's works, a skeleton and more.
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>>2290675
Better to read Keys to drawing.

The same as that book just without the pseudo-sscientific bullcrap.
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Help! I finally got my tablet working, but now I'm having problems with photoshop itself. I'll be painting for a good 5 minutes then photoshop will start taking up massive amounts of memory and will lag. I'll close photoshop, but it will continue to run in the background and I'll have to manually end the process. I have 8gb of RAM, is this too little for a painting program?

This is what I was working on. I was really intimidated by painting, but now that I'm getting used to it, it's a lot of fun and I honestly think I can get a good image of a skull if I spent 4 hours on it.
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>>2290692
what size is your canvas?
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>>2290692
I have 4gb RAM and it run perfectly with 8 tabs of Google chorme

maybe because you have a lot of backgrounds programs
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>>2289791
oh hey , i see you in the b threads.
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>>2290728
Yea, i doodling there for fun and trying to get tip and learning here
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>>2290721
1920 x 1080, 300 pixel per inch
The other programs I'm running only use 2gb, photoshop is eating up 6gb for no reason.
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>>2290684

Didn't know this book existed, thanks.
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Sketch of the reference picture. Based on this, how should I be learning right now? Long sketches? Short sketches? Go back to shapes? Loomis?
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>>2290811
I can tell you on the right side of your drawing and worked your way left. Keep in mind angles, notice how you made the left arm nearly vertical, and also look at relationships, where the left edge of the models head end in comparison to the left shoulder. Draw the facial features you fucking pussy.
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Why is Anatomy so hard
I study, I draw, I practice
But I get ever get how muscles are meant to come together
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>>2290840
Have u watched VIlppus anatomy lectures?
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>>2290384
>>2290603
1. Too distracted by the details. You're not seeing the big forms so you're missing on the big shadow masses that give off a nice chiaroscuro.

Imagine two cylinders. Position them similar to how you would like to position your arms. Light them up. Those are your big shadow masses, all the smaller shadows created by the bumps of the muscles should be subordinate to that.

2. As the other anon said, your values are muddy. Do you know when the core shadow starts? Do you know where the bounce light should be? All I'm seeing is a smudge of shadow that gets mixed up with the halftones. You're uncertain.

Anatomy is not really your problem right now. Keep studying simple forms.
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>>2290845

anyone have a link to get these? 2 poor to pay
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>>2290850
ARE YOU WILLING TO PIRATE?
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>>2290853
fuck yes i am
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>>2290856
https://thepiratebay dot gd/torrent/7409774/Vilppu_Studio._(Anatomy__Drawing_Manual__Head_Anatomy_and_Constr

have fun
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>>2290850
save yourself some time and set the playback speed to 1.5, or even 2.0 if you're eager.

>>2290859
>1 seed

use this instead
rutracker dot org/forum
/viewtopic.php?t=174693
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>>2290848
This is what I'm studying right now, practicing forms in my drawings currently from the Erik Gist pdf that kind anon showed me. I did get kinda caught up on the smaller forms I noticed. Thanks!
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>>2290581
Is that Nemesis from Smite?
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Hey guys, I have a question here. I have a Wacom Bamboo (same model as in pic) but I haven't really gotten serious into art till recently, and I've been using it practically every day. I found making lines really hard until I went traditional with pencil and paper for 3 months and it felt pretty good knowing I have a steady hand. I found that it was actually the tablet; it was too slippery and didn't have the tooth of paper, so then I taped paper on it and it felt great. After about 2 weeks or so, it felt slippery again, so I replaced it.

Question is, do I really need to replace the paper when I tape it to the tablet, and is the tablet naturally slippery or are marks just ruining the surface? My tablet has a some marks and scratches on it.
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>>2289482
>>2289483

kek'd hard
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if you're drawing for more than an hour everyday, as a beginner is it okay to take a day off from drawing ?
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>>2291024
it isn't advised, especially if you're a beginner. make sure you draw at least something every day or you could lose the habit..
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So, the owner of an animation studio has show interest on my works, and I will show him some new drawings on the next week.

If I am luck, I could get a job there...so guys, what youthink of this one?
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>>2291024

as long as you don't quit drawing it's ok to take some time off. I believe it let's you empty your head.

it's like a fresh start when you take your pen again.

try to build good habits when you're drawing, otherwise you'll learn to repeat mistakes.

don't try to make it fast, if you're bored take a min, 25 mins or a day. then come back to it later.

don't throw away your life either. just give it enough time and be consistent.

you won't learn to draw in 1 day anyway so try to see better, build good habits everytime.

gl, hf
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>>2291024
if you want to do art as a career, treat the hours you put into it as working a job, recommended 6-8 hrs a day or more.

if you want to be a hobbyist, don't do any more than what would make drawing not fun.

i think you need experience treating art as a hobby before you can decide to put in serious hours. it should be a gradual and natural transition to want to learn and get better, and enjoy spending more than half the day studying.
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>>2291127
what if I'm easily distracted by boards or some other obscure shit like tending garden and smth
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>>2291127
thanks, i mainly do 2 hours maximum straight (no breaks) before i start to lose myself. i don't want to make a living but a simple web comic is near my end goal. i just got advice that i should rotate the things i study because i was going through a progression slump
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>>2289482
My sides
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when learning to draw mechs and robots would it be the same process as drawing the human body ? is there a specific way to approach this
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>>2291369
It's probably closer to technical drawing, just influenced by a knowledge of the human form.
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>>2291369
>is there a specific way to approach this

yes, its called Scott Robertson
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>>2291377
i'll look into him
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>>2291397
stealing the book somewhere is highly recomended
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Is Hamm's book on scenery decent?
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>>2291403
i'll just go into an artbook thread and ask
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Hey guys this is a weird art question but it involves paint and making something creative i guess. i want to paint a knife i have to look like a Doppler from CS. im using Testors enamel and the knife is matte black. what order would you recommend i do the coats? should i do a silver base coat then blue then gloss black on that? any tips or techniques that will help are appreciated
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>>2289338
Just started drawing a couple weeks back. Heres a violinist
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Is this feeling of depression normal?
This feeling of being behind so many others is just starting to get sickening
That no matter how hard I try there will always be someone better than me
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>>2291506
That's like being sad because there's always someone who was born before you. So what if you'll always be younger?
Also, you could probably benefit from a book like Art and Fear.
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>>2291507
>Art and Fear
what's it about?
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>>2290612
you drew the oppai wrong
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>>2291506
>That no matter how hard I try there will always be someone better than me

Well I always think that no matter how shit I am, there's someone worse than me. Yeah, I know, I'm an asshole.
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>>2291513
It's more or less just insights into the thoughts preceding art and the fears that go through the mind of the artist. Nothing technical, just mindset stuff.
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>>2291516

Honestly a better approach in terms of not feeling like garbage constantly, as long as it doesn't kill your ambition to improve.

Wanting to make your superiors your equals is a good motivator, but if seeing people who are beter than you makes you feel depressed it'll just hold you back.
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>>2291506
Highlights need shadows to exist.
Colours only exist in relation o other colours.
You only know how good you are compared to other people.

:^)
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>>2291506
>there will always be someone better than me

This is a fact of life in every field. There is always someone bigger, someone stronger, more popular, more skilled, more motivated, more in love, etc.

View these people as inspirations and resources to learn from. Healthy life practices 101.
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>>2289344

You're image is not relevant...

It's not people are being dicks, its people are being forgotten. I'm pretty sure we all realize that /ic/ isn't a hugbox.
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>>2291447

Its pretty shit but it shows me you can get there. Pick up keys to drawing or drawing on the right side of the brain.
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>>2291547
What a faggot's perspective.
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>>2291547
I wonder if this is one of those things you can say over and over again but people have to learn on their own.
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>>2291506
Art is not something that can be objectively measured. It's not like a sport where you can pit two people against each other and one remains victorious.

Once you pass a certain threshold (mastery) you cannot say whether one is better than another; it is a matter of taste. Furthermore each person has their own strengths and weaknesses. Steve Huston can draw a better figure than Craig Mullins. But Craig can paint a better illustration. Is one really better than the other?
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I can't stop drawing stylized bullshit. Ugh.
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can some one let me know if i am headed in the right direction, i just started studying anatomy , i select a part of the body for the specific day and work on it (just the bones for now i have not worked my way up to muscles or tissue), i'll do some quick sketches of my hand and other things around me, perspective is pretty easy so i do a few shapes incorporating it. and recently i have been drawing poses and gestures but i try not to use references ( i rotate the days, half the week i'll use them and the other half i won't)
i wanna try getting into facial features but first i wanna master the basic body
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How does life drawing help with stylization? Do I just strip the realistic features away and simplify?
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>>2291549
alright thanks
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>>2291598

It's hard to tell if you don't post your work, but yes focusing on elements doesn't hurt.
I'd say do some full body drawings as well, and find the parts you like the least and focus on those. Drawing things in isolation is okay if you really want to learn those things, but don't forget to put all the pieces together now and then.

Also, you don't inherently need to start with bones and work your way up. Understanding bone structure is certainly helpful, but don't let it be at the expense at learning how a person looks from the outside. Most important is just figuring out certain landmarks, namely the bones/parts of bones that are visible from outside. You don't need to learn how to draw, say, detailed ribcages, just know where the ribcage ends and where it is in relation to the hipbones and stuff.
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>>2291625

Also when I say like the least I didn't mean like to draw the least, I meant like the look of least. IE stuff you draw badly.
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How do you practice line? Is it just drawing straight lines over and over again in various directions?
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>>2291629

That's one way.
I do a lot of drawing straight lines when I'm bored at work and I saw noticable improvement, but drawing a ton of straight lines will only make you good at drawing straight lines.

The idea is to get used to using your elbow/arm for most movements save for really little details. Doing things like drawing dots and then connecting them or following over lines are good exercises to get good at clean lines. Knowing you can confidently draw a line from A to B is good, it stops you chickenscratching to get there.

Being good at inking over sketches and being good at creating clean lines from scratch are a bit different, though. Following closely over a line versus being able to create good lines on a blank page generally require different amounts of precision.
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>>2291636

So the goal of line drawing and ultimately what you want to learn from is:

1) To draw consistent, straight, clean lines
2) To become comfortable with the differences between elbow, arm, and wrist movement
3) To improve precision and confidence with lines you want to draw

?
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>>2291598
this reminds me I've been meaning to practice this too. i wanna practice drawing a really muscly man and draw all his muscles, someone who'd easily be able to throw me around and pin me down if he wanted to.
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>>2291625
>>2291627
thanks for this, i don't have any pics of my work on my computer because my scanner is busted but i'll work on getting that fixed. if i had to name one thing im bad at it's probably thighs and upper arms , so that's why im studying anatomy. i know i don't need to work my way up but it feels more comfortable to have an understanding. thank you
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>>2289643

Shoulder mushroom looks like it's more behind him than on him. Making it a slightly darker shade than the mushrooms in front will help. Also do this with the rest of the colours. The bottom exposed rib looks good. Is the stuff around it supposed to be moss? If so, needs more texture, especially in the highlights. The highlight on the ribcage to the right there adds to the flatness of it - the darker arm and less detail on it could create some depth if there was more on the ribcage itself.

Further away = less detail, thinner lines, darker colours, as a rule of thumb. If there was line art you might want to re-work the sketch first, then focus on inks and colouring later.
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>>2290603
This sticks out at me from the other posts in the thread keep going
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>>2289786

Drawing like Jhonen Vasquez has the same problem as drawing anime - you want it to look cool, but you have to learn to draw from life first.
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>>2289791

Draw monkeys.

Then draw white people.
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>>2290034

Composition needs work. Remember that your strokes in the blue part guide the eye as much as the figure or the lines in the floor. That tile floor looks more background than midground. Is that on purpose or not? It's hard to tell given the surreal nature of this painting. More detail in the arms and torso like there is on the head would be nice. Bit too much going on on the left as opposed to the right - maybe put something there or crop it.
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>>2291644

I'd say so, if we have the same idea of what line drawing is.
I assume what you mean is drawing good, clean lineart, and a lot of that is being able to get your pen/pencil from A to B exactly how you want it to. Straight lines will help but it won't be the whole story.
A lot of getting clean lines over chickenscratch is confidence. Some of this will come with knowing your subject matter. This is where there's a merit to those quick gesture drawings you probably hear a lot about here. Notice how a lot emphasize pretty fluid C and S curves to describe things. This is part of the idea of getting smooth lines, basically depicting a subject matter with simple curves that you can do confidently.

This is my opinion anyway, I'm no expect and if anyone disagrees I'd welcome them to do so.
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>tfw symbol drawing in 2.5d
feels good
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Tried to color over my linework. First time doing this kind of shading.

Took a fairly long time though!
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>>2291711
What a world we live in where I know this character is black immediately from lips.
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Photoshop will not stop crashing. If it didn't have it's recovery thing I would have flipped my shit and quit.
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>>2291756
Well, niglips are real so what's the deal?
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Hey guys, just posting my thingie, I drew while at work. Please give me your honest opinions, I know the head is bad and the face is weird xD
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>>2289338
tried digital painting for the first time.
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>>2291824
cast shadows aren't pure black, they're usually the same tone as the core shadow if the surface reacts to light similarly, among other things
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Does anybody have a resource on pencil rendering like pic related? Or should i just copy his stuff and try to figure out that he is doing?
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>>2291760
Anon, what the fuck are you doing
You have the reference right there, how do you fuck up like that

Resize your reference and put it over your drawing
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>>2291860
it's just scribbling, i.e. hatching with a zig-zag instead of separate lines. He's getting darker values just by increasing the pressure on the pencil. In most places the hatching lines are wrapping around the forms. It's really nothing fancy - it just looks good because the values are correct. The results also look more confident - and less fussy - with the hatching rather than soft, blended shading.
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>>2291860
Lol it's funny how people deny that talent exists, but there only seems to be a select few, like Repoza, who are beyond even most professionals. And this dude is still in his 20's
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>>2291749
pretty nice for a first time, color shouldn't really be your concern for the most part though
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>>2292024
Whit Brachna was ahead of most pros when he was in his teens still. Both Whit and Dave worked their asses off though for years on end. Pretty sure almost none of /ic/ has ever worked that hard.
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>>2292024
If you're so convinced that talent exists can you explain what it is? Like, what does talent help you achieve that you can't achieve without it?
The way I see it the closest thing to talent is motivation/genuine interest.
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>>2292024
>>2292049
Talent is having a self critical mindset despite being in an environment full of positive feedback
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>>2292056
No, that's an inferiority complex and/or impostor syndrome.

Talent for drawing is spacial intelligence, hand-eye coordination, etc.
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>>2292075
>tfw above average spacial intelligence and still bad at drawing

not fair
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>>2292075
>etc.
Let's hear it then
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>>2292113
You realize that even if those two things are all there is to it, "talent" is still a thing, right?
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>>2292116
>talent is still a thing
>i apparently dont know that humans have a brain that adapts to what it is used for
>we can train ourselves
>we can train the things that make up "talent"

Can you fuck off with the talent thing already? It always boils down to an excuse.
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>>2292116
Talent only ever has to do with your mindset. It's not a stat, it's a multiplier.
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>>2292122
We can stuff our bodies with growth hormone and testosterone too, but the guy with good genetics (better baseline) will still be able to reach a higher threshold with those than the average guy.

You can train your reaction time up, but the guy with a higher reaction time by default will train it to a higher degree.

Some people are just better than you at a particular thing. Sure, you will overtake them if you work hard and they don't, but those people will work hard too because life isn't a fucking cartoon where the underdog is the only person that tries. Deal with it.
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thoughts?
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Denying talent exists is worse than denying the holocaust.
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>>2292129
Talent gives you a jump start, but after a certain point it no longer matters. Sure it'll take the average guy longer to get there, but once you're there it's fair game.
The thing is that anyone that reaches that point is revered as genius by regular people.
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>>2292138
The whole talent thing is a grey zone. It matters, but it's not the ultimate be-all and end-all. If you're gonna pick a side at least go with the less pathetic one, anon.
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>>2292129
>comparing artistic talent to athletic talent
I know it sounds reasonable, but it's a pretty dumb analogy when you think about it.
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>>2292145
>hand eye coordination and spacial intelligence are not "athletic talent"
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>>2289603
at first it looked okay, but when i clicked on the thumbnail to expand it looked a lot less okay
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>>2292149
truuu lol
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took me about 5 or 10 minutes.What I imagine the old guy from The Tell Tale Heart would kind of look like
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i want to draw people but i cant get this basic shit down. maybe i should spend more than 10 min on it too. so how can i fix this shit
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>>2292173
yeah maybe you should
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>>2290739
try drawing on 150 ppi
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>>2292172
Thoughts on how I could improve?
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>>2292177
>>2290739
PPI does nothing without a physical format, retards
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>>2292179
draw, read sticky (sorry, I know it's obvious).
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>>2292183
Am I at least on the right track? Already have read sticky
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>>2292173
Read Keys to Drawing, then breeze through fun with a pencil, then work on Figure Drawing For All it's Worth

You can skim through the text, but the rate at which you improve depends on how many and how seriously you do the practices in each book.
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>>2292184
You definitely are.
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>>2292184
Mate, I am not a good person to ask this question, cause I don't know how to draw anatomy and people good and struggle a lot with it. I'd say that if you keep drawing and trying then you are on a right track you'll make it. Good luck and take care.
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>>2292187
>>2292188
Alright thank you both. I'm going to try and clean it up some then do a paint/more in depth version of it and see how that goes
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>>2292172
you seem to be missing knowledge of how the skull works. i'd try studying that for a while. get a model skull if you can, that really helped me
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>>2292137
I don't know what you're trying to say with that pose.
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>>2292191
Don't bother polishing it unless you're drawing it for a specific reason. Rendering that drawing would mostly be a waste of time if you're just trying to improve.
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>>2292207
i see your point, maybe weapon welding will be good for her?
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critique pls
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>>2292215
What do you expect us to critique here? Face too round, lack of shading, poor line quality? Your work is far from ready for critique. Read the sticky.
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>>2290244

Work in a higher resolution. Use harder brushes and/or the selection tool to get good edge control.

I am sure Rembrandt was a reasonable human being who would understand that no one starts good and that learning is a process.
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NEW THREAD:

>>2292227


>>2292227


>>2292227
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>>2292213
At least not with those weapons, it looks like there is no weight to them at all. Either fix the pose of the face. Tell me why she's posing like that.
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>>2292230
Because it's cool anon, stop bullying the new guy
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>>2292148
they're definitely not by definition
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>>2291860
>Does anybody have a resource on pencil rendering like pic related?
This may be of some help
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0Bx4qnPCS08fEaFJNd0NWRnJHUzQ/view?usp=sharing
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>>2292138
So denying talent is pretty okay?
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>>2292215
this is shit, keep studying
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How you persist and get good at drawing when you can see how bad your drawings are? Whenever I see these fantastic pictures online, I wish I could draw fun things as well. But I keep giving up and just going back to programming, which has always been much easier for me.
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>>2292027
What would my main concern be?

I think that currently the head and face are the most unnatural part of the picture (Besides the giant tits)
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>>2292659
Sadpanda taught me to not care about porportions in porn, so unnatural is fine. What isn't fine is your shading. You don't just outline everything in a slightly darker color. Learn shading in black and white first.
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>>2292708
Thank you.

I have not really been considering a light source much at all which is a huge issue, but I will practice some B&W shading.

Thank you for the positive criticism. Last time they just said I was shit haha.
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Trying to get back into drawing, it takes a lifetime to do just a mediocre job like this. Any critique welcome
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>>2292962
Just fuck my shit up senpai
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thoughts?
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>>2290612
why did you erase the nipple, you wont get banned here
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just drew this without reference.

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