Beginner Thread #25

>>1855880
>>1855880
>A friendly reminder to do wrist exercises and take breaks as you practice to avoid getting CPS.

even if your wrist doesnt hurt?

>>1855886
stretching prevents pain. if you don't stretch you have a much higher chance.

>>1855587
Don't worry bud, we'll make it one day

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We're all gonna make it, including me, but is there anything in these I should focus on the most to get there quicker?

Like, basic shapes... time pressure erases my box drawing skills.

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>>1855880
Gotta observe more carefully.

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>>1856142
Here is a ref if someone wants to draw him too.

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I'm bad and I feel bad

I took a break from studies to make my first ever attempt at portraying the human body in motion (and not at motion) and I need a redline

I'm aware of the face symbolism fallacy

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Am i doin gestures right? I've been using posemaniacs.com

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>>1856144
here is an old drawing i did of this guy.

>>1856186
not really.
those are contours.
gestures are about exaggerating the pose, with flow, line weight, c and s curves, etc.

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>>1856190
More like this then? I don't have a clue what I'm doing. I'm just drawing stick figures and focusing on the pose/flow.

>>1856199
yes more like this.

check out hampton's book. he has a section on gesture.

the idea is that gestures are the first step of every figure drawing. you intentionally exagg. the pose because as you build on top of it you will get stiffer.

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Would love some comments/ critiques. I'm doing studies in my spare time as well.

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figure drawings from the past few weeks.

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pt 2

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I'll finish it.
maybe

>>1856278
Have you tried drawing horses?

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>>1856278
>>1856285
>>1856291
Something has gone terribly wrong.

>>1856243
>>1856245
the lines seperating the shadows and the lit areas are way too dark. they look metallic. idk how to improve on that, its just an observation

>>1856304
>>1856304
thx for the crit, i'm kind of working my way into figuring out what looks best. Will definitely work on it.

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messing around

Wow, I can't believe how effective it was to lean back and ponder and note which planes are visible on the model when learning the robo bean.

Yes a no brainer in itself but actually mentally reciting the planes made me 80% more accurate.

I am a speed reader so vocalizing shit in my brain feels retarded but I have the hope that recognizing this shit and putting it down becomes more or less autonomous over time.

>tfw too shit to even follow Keys to Drawing without making complete and utter shit unless I spend 5+ hours on a single drawing.
I'll just kill myself.

>>1856793
Godspeed anon.

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Obligatory daily study. This is really hard.. any advice?

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I really don't like the hair. Any tips on improving the next time?

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>>1856845

This is the picture I wanted to draw.

>>1856304
Personally I like how it looks like that.

>>1856845
The back groud in your reference is dark for a reason anon

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Fixed the background a little. Still feel that the beard and the hair is off

>>1856870
There is no definition or flow of the separate hair strands that can be seen in the ref.

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>>1855880
posting some sketches I did of sculptures in Italy from a while back. I am a big fan of using classical sculpture for studies, its way easier than getting in on a figure drawing class and they stay still FOREVER. this one was a cool torso study of a Bernini; opposite page is the phone number (and doodles) of an ancient grizzled art professor who tried to pick me up in some plaza in Rome. I had to turn him down, mostly because he was 80, but not before he brought me to this rad cafe where all the futurists used to hang out and be angry. one time life was weird and cool. now I am on 4chan.

>>1856930
fuck got the old 'mystery rotated pic for no reason', dammit I'm too drunk for this noise

>>1856230
shading is a little extreme, especially in the cheekbone dept. more 'components' to the hair, and strands/chunks that vary in width would make it seem more natural. I like the nose a lot. Her face would seem more coherent if the lips had the same level of detail as the rest of her features though.

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>>1856849

How do I begin work on anatomy? Is Loomis really the best choice? I feel like a lot of anatomy books I look at just throw you haphazardly into a pretty complex form and I'm looking for something that eases you into it a bit more. Is there such a thing?

>>1856960

Vilppu videos are good if you can download them.

>>1856962
I'll definitely check that when I get home from uni

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>>1855880

1-2mins , 30 seconds of the spaghetti monster 2nd from the left in the borrom row.

Can we have a ref pic right now?

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>>1857063

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From last thread. Forgot to post.

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>>1856144
This is my attempt. I don't mind any criticisms, the body could have been done better and i rushed the bottom section including the arms on purpose.

Major Tip for all beginners here.

Just choose 2-3 values. and use a 100% opacity brush and block in all the shadows with hard values. Once that looks good then you can blend.

>>1857156
What's the best way to blend?

>>1857173
A brush with 50% flow and the pressure opacity setting turned on in case you are using Photoshop. Stay away from Smudge or Blur Tools

>>1857183
*forgot to mention to use the ALT shortcut key to quickly pick between those value colors and the new ones that you mix

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Starting vilppu's book, how does this look?

Guys can one of you post the Studies 1 from 11? I missed a few since I was out of town.

I understand values and blending but I have no fucking idea how to apply them. there's a five year old kids tutorial somewhere?

>>1857183
I don't use PS, I use krita, but can you tell about why it's not a good idea to use smudge and blur? I'm trying to use values but everything end up looking like a child of blind and legless.

>>1857240

If you already understand then it might just be an issue of needing to trial and error enough with it that you begin to understand the application of it.

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Could really use some help on this pose

>>1857316
where's the reference bro

I haven't painted or studied seriously in about a year and a half, just plateau'd and gave up I guess

do you guys mind if I join up on your groove?

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>>1857370
Oh sorry, here's the reference

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>>1857377
I did notice the right side of the hip shouldn't be the higher side so I tried fixing that...it doesn't look any better though

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>>1856934
Thanks for the input.

>>1856230
And this is a vampire I painted.

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Crits please, as harsh as possible

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>>1857428
fuck sorry thought that file included reference

>>1857428
her hairline looks a bit receded

>>1857428
theres too much upper lip

i found the wood to be the hardest part. anyone have tips for that?

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>>1857514
any tips for wood?

>>1857428
It doesn't look like the ref, like at all

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How would you draw the stem around the apple to make it look like there's a hole.

>>1857428
It looks really muddy. Try painting without pen pressure. It'll help your line economy. Also, be careful with symbols. Those lips look pasted on. Always try to render things 3 dimensionally.

>>1857536

>line economy
people need to stop using buzzwords that other people don't understand

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>>1857377
Can I get some help with this? I'm really having a lot of trouble with seeing color and rending things cleanly.. Any advice?

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>>1857536
> Value-based painting
>"It'll help your line economy"

>>1857377
quit posting such an ugly model

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Figure from reference

It was difficult getting the tilt of his head.

>>1857626
Try to get the entire figure on the page anon

Can anyone recommend a book to help me learn to break figures into basic shapes, etc.

>>1857626
Post ref

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>>1857650

>>1857495
>>1857492
>>1857519
>>1857536
ty

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>>1857525

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>>1855880
Drawing a small busted succubus, what's wrong with it?

>>1857711
Not enough bust. What makes you think ther is something wrong ?

>>1857712
Mostly coz I didn't want it to be like the camera was at her waist like I always end up doing,

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>>1855880

hscplsgo

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>>1857716

Its good your pushing the perspective.

Maybe pic related would help you out a bit then.

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>>1857726
Thanks for that

I tried it. I dont think I quite understand how the box thing works with the cross lines but I understand the horizon line better at least.
Sorry it's on paper I'm watching a tv show

>>1855918
I think you, as me, should focus on perspective, currently i'm reading the scott robertson's book, i plan to return to figure drawing when i'll be able at least to draw decent cars.

How much do you guys practice? For the past 4 months I've been practicing 7 hours a day, but I also work 56 hours a week (for minimum wage, no less!) and I kinda worry that the quality of my practice could be affected by the unfortunate consequence that I only get around 4 hours of sleep a night.

>>1857829
4 hours of sleep a night? Not gonna make it brah. Try getting at least 6, ideally more. Otherwise your brain isn't functioning properly and you won't be remembering all the shit you learn, and you will probably burn out soon too.

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I attempted an ink on a sketch I drew, can get some cc

>>1857829
In what kind of SHIT country do you have to live for a minimum wage/56 hour weeks.

>>1857856
I live in England and with my parents, but I'm on a gap year and want money for college.

>>1857836
you could learn to letter a little better. and most of your hatches radiate out from the explosion which is great but then some of them don't, and it's a bit off. there's also some bits especially closer to the center of the explosion where a more 'lost and found' approach to the line would be nicer.

that's the only stuff that sticks out to me, i'm no inking genius though so take me with a grain of salt.

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>>1857078
I like this ref

Study of a cow skull. About 3-4 hours on this one, not really happy with how the back of the skull turned out, but whatever

>>1857914
You forgot photo! :)
>>1857911
Nice!!

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>>1857914
not really happy with that post either

I feel too old to be a beginner. I'm trying to stay positive, but facts are facts; I should have been doing this a long time ago.

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>>1857911
Didn't look at original ref fack, cc pls

>>1857940
Everyone has to start somewhere, and everyone's a beginner at something when they start, regardless of age.
Think of it like this; would you rather be a beginner today, or a beginner later on?

>>1857940

Don't give up, believe in yourself.

27 years old here, I literally just started drawing 3 weeks ago thanks to the books recommended here on /ic/

Joining up art/drawing groups and give me better advice on what to do next. Going to take art school next semester at my community college.

I'm actually having a lot of fun.

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Not sure if this is a good place to post digital paints, but eh

My first attempt at painting in Photoshop, ever. Anybody got any tips to help the foliage and scenery have more depth? I can't stop it from looking so flat all the time.

>>1858152

Perspective is a bitch and is the leading cause to most artists committing suicide.

What have you read up on perspective so I can avoid sounding like a broken record?

>>1858157
I can name most of the 6 types of artistic perspective, and I know to draw sort of gridlines beforehand when working with a tricky angle... honestly, I've read a lot but I can't draw upon much.

I honestly thought it was more a problem with the shading and the colors than a problem with perspective... but I'm completely green when it comes to making things look vibrant and deep.

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>>1857426
Better? I don't think it reads well from a distance though. Any advice is appreciated.

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So I took a random lineart and applied values to it, one main light and one backlight. Did I do right?

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>>1858174
Not bad, just be careful of your values. You have so many values in the midtones and highlights that the forms are actually less clear. And the local value becomes ambiguous as well. I would restrict your value ranges, keep things either in light or shadow and keep it flat and clear. And with the rimlight, don't paint it as an outline, but it actually should come into the form more. Sometimes it overlaps, sometimes it is thicker, sometimes it is thick and sharp etc.

>>1858199
your edit isnt any better than the original bud

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>>1855880
did this, i feel lost so i need some direction

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>>1858221
reference

>>1858162

I see.
Honestly, I wish I could be more of help but I hope other anons come in and provide advice. To me, what you did looks awesome, but I'm still getting into art.

>>1858221
You missed the main gesture and have a lot of unnecessary lines. Slow down and get it right.

>>1858211
It's actually a lot better. Like dramatically better.

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>>1858225
i tried to do a gesture to it

How do I do perspective for humans? Always screws me up when I try anything from a different angle.

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>>1858223
>>1858223
Second Attempt

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>>1858229
You got the leg on the right incorrect and squashed the torso a bit.

>>1858239 this is closer, but you still have a lot of unnecessary lines

>>1858236
See
>>1857726

>>1858236
Try simplifying the body into basic building block of boxes and cylinders, then draw them in perspective. For extreme foreshortening tricks like the cross method let you find the halfway point easily.

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heres a ref pic if anyone wants to try it. ill post mine later.

>>1858152
ok im no artist but it honestly looking like youre looking at this through a fish eye lenses with the tree on either side of the painting. they just so happen to be the ONLY trees in the painting that curve like that. i get that your trying to make it look like the viewer in entering a clearing the forrest. but the problem is you made the forest underwater and you made the viewer a one eyed fish.

another thing, i can see your making depth by making some trees 'further' than others but if you draw a horizontal line at the base of each of them you'll see that they are all literally on a plane thats smaller than the circumfrence of one of the larger trees, which leads me to my next point.

the tree sizes are all fucked up. this might be a little picky and sorta subjective, but forests dont really work the way youre drawing them. if that shit is old forest growth you wouldnt have such a large variant in the width of the trees considering they appear to be the same species or whatever. to fix that i would pic a size and use variances in sizes to represent the distance (bigger is obviously closer, smaller is farther). but if you must have speshul snowflake trees that dont behave like real trees do, please realize its not to look unnatural to the people looking at your picture.

>>1858559
*its not going to look natural to the people looking at your picture

>>1858561
>>1858559
tldr. make the two curves trees straight and add more rows for depth

>>1858244
Thanks for the redline man

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>>1855880

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>>1858711

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>>1858712

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>>1858244
i took a stab at another one, hows this?

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>>1858783

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here is a new ref

Are there any exercises I can do to see if I've gotten the hang of form and perspective??

I just wanna make sure I have an idea of that before I move on to practicing gestures.

>>1858711
Tutorial?

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>>1858802
Nice ref. Here's my attempt.

>>1857911
How do you paint? Do you do one light source first the n the other? Or do you do it all at once?

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>>1857078
had a go

>>1859003
try not to scribble

and try to use a big brush

it's okay to 'color outside the lines' and then paint the edge back.

>>1859012
what do you mean by 'scribble'?
when I'm shading I shouldn't do long wavy patterns without lifting my pen? I should use single strokes?

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>>1857447
I did the tilt of the head all wrong

>>1859017
theoretically you should use a brush the right size and do it in one stroke.

>>1858904

Vilppu Videos

>>1859032
I get this strange excitement whenever I see his drawings.

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How do I fix this, \ic\? The eyes are killing me.
>oh yeah, this is looking better
>flips image
>nope.

>>1859068
Oh fuck. I looked back at it and dear lord does it look I've never drawn before. That's what I get for not practising for three weeks, I guess.

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>>1859021
Thanks for the advice.
I tried to make every stroke count in this one.

>>1857236
please?

I couldn't find the archive of the last threads at warosu

>>1859073
yep that's the ticket. now try to not paint with such a transparent brush, and work the edges a little and you'll really be cooking with..oil. whatever the saying is.

>>1859073
yeah... this is why you don't follow /ic/'s advice

>>1859098
fuck off. he's used to doing it drawing style, this way, which is more or less the correct way, is new to him so his first painting isn't going to be the best ever.

if you think using the right size brush and being economical with your strokes is bad advice you're a shit fuck.

and yes some 'pros' use smaller brushes for stuff, but that's a stylistic choice, you should learn how to use a brush digital or otherwise conventionally before you start experimenting.

>>1859096
How do you get gradients when not working with any transparency?

>>1859106
I tend to think the "brush economy" thing tends to matter only if you're working in traditional medium and are either specifically going for that loose, sparse impressionist look or are are just working in a medium where you can't afford to overlap or you'll fuck things up

Digital painting is different and digital brushes tend to look too shit and unrealistic so the "drawing" approach works better and gets nicer results.

>>1859109
(diff. anon here)
It's not about not working with any transparency, but with LESS transparency.
You should pick a color between the ones you want to blend

>>1859113
/ic/ always gets a hard on for Mullins' loose digital painting though. Brush economy is applicable to digital and traditional.

I'd recommend the guy focus more on improving his drawing skills and then thinking of values in terms of planes before trying for brush economy.

>>1859113
nah ah. remember a painting is iterative

first you do one layer of painting, then another layer on top of that, then another on top of that etc. (you don't paint the whole thing over again, just the bits that need to be painted)

if your first layer is a confusion of tiny strokes then the next layer won't have any fidelity and so on. you end up working against the painting you've already done, it's like if you were doing laps around a race-track and each time you go around you throw a bunch of stuff on the road which next lap you need to pick up again. the whole process is slowed down immensely and if you forget to pick up some stuff here and there you get a shitty track/painting.

same thing for alla prima, only you go around once and then you can't go round again to clean up the shit you left lying everywhere.


(i have a feeling my analogy made it less clear, oh well)

>>1859125
yeah it did.

I don't see what iteration and layers has to do with this anyway. If anything, layering would fix the minor things that were wrong with the beard painting quite easily, while the lady is much more fucked up

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>>1859073
am I improving?

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>>1859166
forgot to resize

Hey ya'll, I have to opportunity to go on an art book shopping spree and I was wondering what books you would suggest? I know there are tons of free PDFs out there but I'm an ADD ridden fuck so I have a terribly hard time reading while on the computer with millions of distractions one click away. I've been drawing for just about a year so I would say my level is beginner-intermediate. What books are a must have fora poop like me?

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>>1858557
critique please. i definatly need to work on the sand so any tips for that are appreciated