no prior experience with dudes, i'm a pansy and wouldn't try to initiate anything unless i had a pretty good feeling they were up for it.
nothing happened, of course. almost every time i'm around him though he seems.. off. family friend i talked to yesterday, when he was still around, even asked me once he stepped away "are you dating him? is he gay?" and when i said no/i don't think so she was saying i let her down, lol.
serious though, if anything happens /hm/ will probably be the first to know. i don't see him mega often though. this was my first time even seeing him in five months, texted him on my new #, he asked if i still worked at the same place and he eventually stopped by and waited an hour and a half until i got off. after that we watched some random tv shows/movies for a bit and mosied in to bed.
there's more to this story which makes me think he's gay (thus, keeps me interested) if you guys want me to post more details.
sorry for my disheveled unorganized / poorly laid out post(s), mind kinda goes everywhere when it comes to guys.
>wouldn't try to initiate anything unless i had a pretty good feeling they were up for it. >hot friend I haven't seen in a few months dropped by my work >Talked a bit till I clocked out and went to my place >now he's in my bed and only has underwear on
>>1009814 OP, bring up subject of jacking off if you can. Ask him if he's ever done it with another guy...regardless of him saying yes/no and regardless whether he claims to be disgusted by the prospect, mention that you have done so before. You should be able to lead things from there if you have half a brain.
Just get in bed with him jesus christ even if he's straight i've slept in te same bed as straight friends just dont start humping and grinding and actimg wierd and you'll be fine let him decide if he wants it
>Wake up earlier than him >Pretend to sleep (as you're beside him) >wait for some sort of sign that he's at least sort of awake Easy to tell if he's say on his phone/scratching a lot/just irregular to his normal sleeping habits >cuddle up to him/throw an arm around him and pull him closer/etc and pretend to still be asleep >as you cuddle, pay attention to his reaction How's his breathing? Is he breathing heavy, did his heartrate (easy to tell when it speeds up and is staying still) rise? Is he trying to shimmy away from you? Did he throw your arm off of himself? Did he push into you? All this would really help you get a better reading on his thoughts anon. And finally, >if you're still cuddling him after a while and you gotta piss or shit/etc, 'wake up', try to make a comment about how you woke up cuddling him, and do your thing in the bathroom (even if you're just faking the flush) and as you make your way to the bathroom, say something along the lines of "I'll be right back" If he's still in bed cuddle up to him again and again gauge his reaction. If anything goes awry you can play it off as a joke.
i keep forgetting about this thread yes, he does. i said (before we ended up going to sleep) i'd just sleep on the couch or something and he said 'what's wrong with sleeping in the same bed?', but not in that "i want to" tone of voice.
alright, so i'm 19 (20 now) and he's 20 (21 now), both guys. here's my dilemma
i am lost as to whether or not he's straight, curious at all or whatever. i know he likes chicks but i get all sorts of odd vibes from him sometimes..
he's a christian guy, church every sunday, meets up with church friends on certain days of the week, but we all know that doesn't mean much. i met him through a mutual friend and we became friends pretty quick. he knows i'm gay, not the slightest bit into girls and is totally chill with that. now here's the weird part.
one day i invited him over to hang with my roommate (friend i met him through) and i, he comes over, everything's cool etc and we chill, then he finds out i'm ticklish and pretty much abuses that fact. next thing you know, we're wrestling around, and he's got much more tone than i, since i'm a pretty small dude (155lb 6'2") vs his 6' 180-190~ of muscle so i'm on the losing side the entire time. he keeps grabbing for my sides and ticking me and whatnot while this is going on, but eventually i find myself on top, mainly because he rolled me over that way. grabs my arms with his and i can't break those free, then he wraps his legs around mine and the same deal happens. basically we're on the bed both facing the ceiling with me on top almost mirroring his body, so there was definite ass to crotch contact which he didn't bring up at all. this is all happening while our friend (female) is in the same room, on the bed fiddling around with her phone..
anyway, wrestling continues for a bit then eventually winds down and we start a movie. somewhere during the movie we all get pretty tired and i ended up laying down, him being like "here" and opened his legs so i could get comfortable, with my head resting on his crotch.. which wasn't a bad experience, no doubt. we all fall asleep and i enjoy the position a bit more before we lay normally and go back to bed. somewhere around 4am he leaves to head back home.
next day, he comes over again and tries the tickling stuff again but it didn't go anywhere, but ended up giving massages back and forth, clothes on and all of course. i have this small wooden back massager called " the happy massager " and it's pretty awesome. i have him lay down for like 15 minutes while i work on his back because he was complaining about being sore and whatnot. time passes and eventually i say it's my turn, playfully. not only did he use the wooden massager, he threw his other hand in as well and let me tell you it felt - phenomenal-. he rubs my back for a while and eventually moves down to my feet for like a minute but doesn't continue there very much longer. stuff slowed down again as usual but when he was relaxing i decided to slap him super hard on his ass for fun and he ends up getting me back at some point. every once in a while on both days he'd randomly ruffle my hair or scratch my head out of nowhere but i didn't mind.
day three (i think) i'm over at his place and we watch this vsauce video on "why do we kiss?", near the end of the video the guy says to " go out and kiss someone today " and my friend makes the comment "well, looks like i've only got an hour and 58 minutes left".. what am i supposed to make out of that when we're the only two there? i didn't know what to say exactly.. but eventually i being up the topic of " intrusive thoughts " and said " basically it's the thing that makes you think " i could totally lean in and kiss this person right now " just because you can", and he said something like " well, not that i'd mind "
am i missing something or do all straight dudes do this with guys they know are gay?..
we've hung out more since then, he often offers to buy me food or asks me if i want anything cause i don't bring in the dough and frankly don't eat a whole lot..
at some point i was sharing a blanket with him watching a movie while one of his friends were over, but that's nothing out of the ordinary i don't think. other days he has me in his room (i was watching kill bill and he fell asleep) and he was stripped down to literally only his loose boxers. he was all covered up in blankets but rolled over and wasn't covered up at all, and the view was.. great to say the least.
i talk to him often and we hang out almost every day, the thing that catches me most off guard is he mentions that x random girl is cute or that he's looking for "marriage material" and whatnot, but never had sex before, then mentions he'd be mad at his wife if he had one and she cheated etc. he said he has no problem admitting when a guy is attractive or good looking or something like that but not many guys are willing to admit that. but sometimes i get these incredibly odd vibes he's trying to say he's somewhat interested in guys. like just tonight he mentioned that he likes hair, " especially female hair ".. why clarify? or is he saying he doesn't mind dudes as well.. or..
and just today we went to the y, swimming etc, in the changing room he joked he's gonna "moon" me and smiles then flips around to change. i'm a self conscious guy and pretty modest so i change in the stall but let me just say that his ass is literally 11/10 exactly what i love. it's uncanny. but i don't want to make it seem like i scope out dudes in the locker room, i don't get anything from it and i usually avoid looking around too much ( only to get around ). but i literally had to sneak a peek. holy jesus.
If you are really horny and desperately want something to happen just be frank about it. A couple of rules though: NEVER EVER EVER insinuate that he's been teasing/messing with you, don't say I thought you were curious or you did that things. Maybe he'll get offended or creeped out even though its true. You need to make it sound it everything is coming from you. I know it sucks but put yourself in a vulnerable position, everyone wants to play the hero. My suggestion is talk with him how you are alone sometimes feel misunderstood, how you appreciate him being a friend and how sometimes you feel bad because you have dirty thoughts about him .
>>1011607 Yep. I'm open about my gayness and I've slept in the same bed as my straight male friends, they don't freak out as long as the cuddling doesn't end up giving me a hard on. Just do it, if he freaks out (and there is no obvious sexual intentions) he's gay.
i've never been with a dude/done anything with a guy or even really attempted to so i'm entirely clueless. he's said he's not gay but i didn't want to poke and prod and potentially lose a friend so i was at a loss, didn't know what to do.
honestly not a ton else to share. i'm sorry ;-; i basically dumped everything that's happened in here, minus some things i either forgot to put in (i basically copypasted those three huge comments) or forgot happened entirely.
>>1014114 After reading this thread I've decided you are the dumbest motherfucker I've come across on 4chan in a very long time and you should feel ashamed for how many blatant signs you've passed up by this guy.
If you're truly this dumb you don't deserve to be with anyone.
i've had this before OP. Don't crack onto him, he's just found someone he's comfortable with. All guys like to cuddle, and even dont mind male on male intimacy, but it's just emotional intimacy. He's found someone he can be comfortable with and you should enjoy it as just that. Sure, if he's interested in more, he might start something, but you shouldn't push it. If you do he might feel like he's done something wrong, or like you've betrayed his trust. If he does want more and you get to fool around, that's great, but if he doesnt and just have to stick with cuddling and tickling, then thats great too. either way, what you both have is rare and really nice, so you have to be careful not to spoil it. He knows you're up for it, you don't know if he is. Let him make the moves if he feels like it.
relationships / being close to guys is something i'm terrible at. i've only had female friends my entire life so i wasn't sure if this is what guys typically do / what he does with his buddies or if i struck gold or whatever. but again, i don't want to dick with everything and ruin a friendship if it never ends up being anything more so i think i'm taking the safer approach
I too had a similar experience, albeit less cute. I had a friend in college who's very close to me before, whenever we'd leave the campus we'd do a bear hug and sometimes still cling to each other up until the door. But alas, things happened and we became distant.
I'd share what happened too if anyone's interested, but i don't wanna hijack OPs thread.. so..
NEVER EVER ASSUME, unless your friend is making the moves and even then still don't, just until your friend confesses.
ehh I got a somewhat similair story. >have straight best friend >sleep over at his place often because i live in another city and public transport only goes till 12~ >cuddle while playing nintendo >have this awkward conversation where he told me gay people scare him, tell him that night over facebook that im bi >dontworry.jpg we cool >meet him next week >get high with 2 of his roommates and jam out on a guitar and sing a few songs >good people good vibes >end up in bed with him again >stroke lower and lower on his belly till i reach dick >He gets up, tells me, "dude i dont even know anymore" and makes out with me >he jerks me, i get too distracted and cant even finish him as he rolls away when I cum >day after remotly awkward, he tells me he has no homosexual feelings and tells me that we maybe shouldnt see eachother for a bit. >Nolol.jpg >tell him im not in love with him (altough im kinda crushing, considering love to be both ways ie.) >just proceed to hang out as normal next week >still occasionally sleep over and we cuddle when hes asleep (?) >if he had too much hell just punch me or move in the bed >still gives me a raging hardon everytime were in bed togheter
>be me >be freshman in college >closeted because entire family are homophobes >my close friends from highschool knows about me >i am definitely not flamboyant >first week of classes i met this girl classmate of mine >became close friends and found out that she walks the same street as me before we go our separate ways >days pass, made some other friends and while this girl waited for me at the entrance i saw a dude with her >immediately recognized that dude because he's also in the same class with us >found out that he also walks the same street as us and from then on the three of us always walk home together >this dude was quite peculiar because he notices the tiniest of both me and my friend's idiosyncrasies and pet peeves >most guys at our school were very manly but he wasn't flamboyant or gay looking >so obviously the three of us became BFFs >developed feelings for him because i've never have someone notice the tiniest shits i've been doing that even i wasn't aware of >whenever he'd greet me he'd always do a bearhug, sometimes hold my hand and playfully clap it, wrap his arms around my neck >you know, the affectionate stuff >whenever i was also having a bad day he won't stop bugging me and tell him what's wrong >even though it's not his fault that i was having a bad day, he'll tell me that he's sorry because he failed to cheer me up >one time i was completely surprised that he gave me a peck on the cheek >so i thought he liked me >one time girl BFF was so busy she told us to go home instead of waiting for her >walked home together and then he suddenly started telling me things that he never told anyone about >butterflies in my stomach >then suddenly he told me that he likes our girl BFF >totallyheartbroken.gif >so all that was affectionate shit was actually him being a "bro"
Will continue sometime tomorrow? It's past midnight and i'm really tired.
>>1009814 Men appreciate male affection too and if he's comfortable around you, just go with it, but don't initiate anything. Friendship is more important than fleeting sexual satisfaction. Two of my good buddies are straight, know I'm gay and constantly initiate, at times, questionable physical affection, but it's purely platonic. Cuddle, head scratching, manly hugs, affectionate butt/back pats, "Love you man" etc etc shit like that. We work out a lo together, so I've seen them naked on multiple instances.
I fell kinda hard for my buddy George a couple years ago, but he was very appropriate about it and told me to keep it in my pants and simply enjoy each others company and since then I've done everything in my power to avoid any crossing of lines (though if he asked me to be his bf/hubby/whatever I'd jump on that boat in an heartbeat, he fucking perfect).
It's better to have a good buddy than to attempt to exchange a hansy or a bj for fleeting pleasure. You'll get more joy out of your long term relationship than you will from swallowing his load or touching his dick for a brief time.
This guy >>1014188 Totally right I kind of lost a friend because I started to push things up. Today I see how he acts all careful to not give me any hope anymore, I totally lost that "bro thing" and the more I tried to fix things up the more I messed all of it. This shit hurts me everyday.
OP here. I thought "if he'll sleep in my bed with undies once, he'll probably do it again", and that's what happened. Invited him over for thanksgiving and he should be showing back up again later today. Figured he'd prefer a warm bed because the dude lives in a trailer right now. But I invited him over, said if he wants he can pick me up from work on the way to my place (worked swing at a casino last night) and he shows up about thirty minutes before I'm off this time. We get to my place and I clean up my room a tad, make sure it looks nice and whatever. Watched some of Kill Bill, mother showed off all of the food she bought and was cooking and eventually he gets sleepy and strips down to his boxer briefs and hops in my bed. I wasn't quite tired yet so I played a game of league, listened to some music (Nujabes) etc and eventually got in bed as well.
For like an hour I was basically just laying there in silence seeing what would happen if anything and I swear he thought I was asleep because every 5-10 minutes he'd wiggle around and end up closer to me than before, at some point coming very close to spooning, felt his leg almost cross over mine. Arm was draped over my back for whatever reason, was very tempted to just grab his arm and pull it over me instead and back up to get closer but I'm still too pussy.
But yeah over the time I hadn't slept while laying down he moved about five or six times getting closer to me each time. Not sure if it was coincidence but I feel like it wasn't. Maybe my mind just wants me to believe he was doing it on purpose but iono. Before he got up for the day he flipped onto his belly without covers or anything and I got to see him from the back of his knees upwards, divine booty included, and then he finally got up and left to help family with some stuff.
Sorry for the distant updates, I try not to update with petty shit not worth posting
>>1022728 Anon, you should have just nuzzled into him or something, while pretending to be asleep. Even if he feels like it's weird, you could blow it off as being asleep and that's that. That was pretty much a free pass for physical contact/learning what he really feels without major negative side effects if you did it right, and you blew it.
>>1022728 Well if you value your friendship then I wouldn't. I think i can pinpoint the moment where my best friend pulled away from me.
We were smoking weed at a friend's house and we ended up sharing the same bed. After a bit I start to feel him nudging his way towards me. I had my hands behind my head and elbows out. He wriggled his ass almost right into my shoulder. Taken off guard I ended up saying "what are you doing?" and he responding with "i don't have a pillow". So i grabbed one and gave it to him.
I'm not sure if it meant anything but I get the feeling it was. Oh and he actually started working out around that time. He got massive and is really into working out now.
My other best mate thought he was gay when he met him and had no clue I was. Irony. But yeah, I didn't do it because I guess I need a best friend more than a boyfriend. This lad will get awkward around you even if you do get with him.
I've heard a good way to find out is to somehow squeeze in the topic of how you had a straight friend with benefits. You say how you blew him but he didn't reciprocate cause he was straight and if he doesn't get why you wouldn't want reciprocation, you just say "if you could eat a pussy without a blowjob or no pussy at all what would you pick?".
I'll see if he wants to come over again sometime soon, maybe even stay at my place again tonight. I'll just go for it, I really doubt he'd be adverse to cuddling or anything like that if we are already in bed half asleep etc considering he was almost spooning me last night.
i have done this a couple of times with "straight" guys:
talk about sex. how horny you are. how it has been a long time since you came. let him steer the conversation to what he finds hot: tits or ass or pussy or whatever. then talk about that. these huge fucking tits on this hot blonde chick that you met at a bar and how you fucked her, etc. etc. i don't let them know i am gay for them. i just act like a straight guy. what they don't know won't hurt them. start talking about how you should go out for a beer and meet some hot chicks. try to get him to stop by your house and pick you up first because your car is broken or your wife/gf needs to use it or whatever. or just invite him over to your house to have a beer and watch the game or watch porn if you are close friends. swimming pools/hot tubs also help with this. or tennis clubs with changing rooms. anyplace you can change in front of each other. start drinking. if at a club say you are too drunk can he give you a lift home, or spill ketchup on your shirt or get a girl to throw her drink on your pants or some excuse to go home and change clothes.
be at home drinking. talk about sex how horny you are. put on porn or go to pornsites on computer. grab your crotch a lot and talk about big tits and tight pussies. challenge him to keep up with you if he is not drinking a lot. he needs at least 6 beers or mixed drinks/shots before you try anything. once the porn is on, go in the bathroom to take a leak leaving him alone for a while watching porn and drinking. start jacking yourself in the bathroom/bedroom until you are hard and oozing. wait for him to yell "where are you" or "what are you doing" maybe let him come find you and accidentally catch you jacking off. or just walk in with your hardon out of your pants. if he tells you to put it away or that's gross or gay, just say fuck you i am horny it is just sex. tell him to pull his dick out. if he says no say why is it really small? then say omg you must have a really small dick. i'm worried about you let me see how small it is! i'm going to tell everyone you have a small dick if you don't show me. 9 times out of 10 he will pull it out and compare with yours. if you have a huge cock this doesn't work he will be too intimidated unless he is huge too. then jack off. if he catches you looking at his dick just say you are drunk and it's not gay since you aren't getting butt-fucked.
Oh my God... >>1022860 >>1022863 > how to freak a guy out These tips are clearly based on fantasy, porn, or a lack of understanding how people think and behave. >>1022968 Don't know what kind of parties you're going to.
I've slept with straight guys before - quite a few actually - and it's become a running joke among my roomates that I can get any guy I want (I can't). Truth is, there's no ritualistic dance and no need for a series of lies and deception... pretending to be a bro and putting on porn might work for some people, but it sounds pretty awkward. It also sounds like someone with poor social skills attempting to be manipulative. Snuggling up in your sleep might be a good shout, but it'll probably just end up, at best, with you both snuggled up in bed a bit.
I'm friends with a bunch of straight guys, not because I try to be a generic bro friend, but because I can be their best gay friend. Most straight guys LOVE having a friend who's comfortably gay. It's often something new, because people tend to stick to their kind, gays included, and it's exciting for them. What's more, you can hook them up with all your single girl friends and be the perfect wingman. You can be their girl magnet. And they'll come to know that you're not creepy because you will not be creepy because you have social skills, okay? The sex part, that just happens organically, and you're never creepy about it.
I have one friend who I have a flirty-jokey relationship with. I'm not sure who started it, but it escalated each time we saw each other. He's pretty attractive, rough and a bit of an otter. We always made the most extreme flirty jokes in front of everyone and I used to talk about the slutty things I've done, and, of course, when we found ourselves alone, he made the first move because he knew I was going to be up for it.
Another friend, an athlete, 10/10, I'd just been kind to for a couple of years. He was into freaky stuff with girls, and he knew I did freaky stuff with guys. We have a weird relationship, but fun, he'll just lift me up out of the blue and throw me around. Sometimes he'll stop and make out with me. One time he just picked me up in the middle of a party, threw me on a bed and we had a nice fuck.
One guy, a Christian, lost his virginity about a week before to a girl. We got drunk and I was massaging him, my friend, a girl, told him to let me massage his ass. An hour later, he was being a perfect bottom for me.
There are more like the above, but those three are some of my favourites, they're all straight, all have girlfriends now, and I'm the only guy they've been with. There's no manipulation there, if you want to get with a guy, then just get to know him first. Guys will make sexual jokes eventually, so pick up on it when it happens. For some guys, it won't happen, and that's okay. I was obsessed with this friend, a fitness model, but we never took that turn in our friendship. He introduced me to guys who did, though. Just use what social skills you have, don't be a creep, be patient, and you'll be more successful with guys than anyone you know.
>>1023092 The bit about being their "gay best friend" and not being creepy about whatever you do seems important. If they don't know you're gay, they won't attempt anything even if they want to because they don't know if it's ok. From another guys perspective, even if the gay guy wasn't into them, they'd probably laugh it off instead of being weirded out. Likewise, YOU shouldn't weird THEM out by being overly forward or desperate for cock.
>Another friend, an athlete, 10/10, I'd just been kind to for a couple of years. He was into freaky stuff with girls, and he knew I did freaky stuff with guys. We have a weird relationship, but fun, he'll just lift me up out of the blue and throw me around. Sometimes he'll stop and make out with me. One time he just picked me up in the middle of a party, threw me on a bed and we had a nice fuck.
Very hot. How do these guys explain it to their friends if they ask? Or is everyone just chill with whatever happens? All 3 of these scenarios have the other guy playing off flirting etc. around their friends, and I know in my social circle, someone would at least make a joke about it at some point.
All those things happened at uni in England (liberal, I guess), actually within three different friend groups. The first guy I don't think anyone questioned at all - partly because it was a slow progression into more intense flirting, and partly because I'm an intense flirt by character, so it's expected. I don't think anyone knows we actually got down together, though, so that makes it easier to play off as just a jokey kind of relationship. The second guy was with a group of friends who know every detail of my sex life and have probably at least made out with me, girls included, and he was coming to visit me at uni for the weekend, so no explanation needed there
The third guy, who I topped, was a different story. It was only me, him and the girl who knew about it. He enjoyed it and we talked about it and he was totally cool with what happened, even though it was always going to be a one-off experiment for him. Then word spread a couple weeks later from the girl, it was awkward for us both for everyone to know, because I was embarrassed for him and his friends assumed that I'd been creepy (I don't think he would tell them that he was the one who requested I suck and fuck him). But it was fine within a couple of days and he started to make jokes about it and still do. His Christian friends know about it but don't mention it. Still, if I could relive one sexual experience, it'd be that one, he took me like a pro and I went hard and deep, I'll never forget that muscular ass being mine for the night.
It's definitely important to think about how they would feel if word were to get out, and to respect a guy if he just wants what went on to be kept between you both. You should be able to predict what would and would not be appropriate in a given situation anyway - for me, I just do what I do and let the other guy make the first comment or move.It works pretty well.
>>1022792 Definitely make the move to snuggle up snug n tight. There's pretty much no risk, when it might've happened in your sleep. Make sure the room is a little cool, if you need more of an excuse. I agree with others, don't push it on the sex, let him make the move, or not. You can bring a subject up, but see what direction he takes it. Worst case, you've got an occasional very sexy snuggle bud. My guess is that he might welk be curious to try more, though.
I'm still keeping tabs on the thread, he texted me earlier trying to see what I was up to and I slowly hinted towards him coming over (once again bringing up how cold it is), we're hanging out right now, me laying next to him on the couch watching some tv, I'll see if I have anything worth posting about later
Sorry I'm mega fucking boring, but at least others are sharing their run-ins with hot friends as well. Be back later.
>>1026106 "Bringing up how cold it is"? OP, if I wasn't so sure that your friend wanted to snuggle and more, I'd be kek'ing hard at your lack of subtle-ty. Just the fact that he's actually responding to this transparent flirting should indicate that you guys are going to be fondling each other soon.
>>1009814 > Bro, i'm about to fuck you up with some truth. If he is straight then he's straight. Its not like the glory that is you is going to make him gay so just stop. All you are doing is fucking with your friendship. Leave him alone, a grown man "Cuddling accidentally" with another grown man is not going to fly. It might have flown when you where 14 but he won't go for it. Don't fuck up your friendship so you can try and cuddle him. Also, if he knows your gay then there is no playing it off. Most straight guys are fine with having gay friends but trying to get gay with them is going to do much more then make things realy awkward for him. You don't want to make your friends feel uncomfortable do you? Best of luck with finding a GAY guy to cuddle with, leave the straight guys to the girls, mate. :)
have cuddled with a lot of my str8 mates, after partying when they "missed" their bus or broke up or sth. a very few of them weven wanted more. but i always waited for them to make the steps. always was great, never fucked up a friendship, they even came back for more on onther drunk nights. i guess that's why homosexuality exists after all, doesn't it?
>>1032638 or maybe they are too happy and forget everything else exists on the planet. They might be having sex day and night nonstop and he just does not have the time to update here. you know because his lover won't pull his cock in hiss ass.
holy shit i didn't think this many people cared, i didn't want to come back and post because i figured nobody gave a shit anymore
I invited him over again about a week and a half ago, watched "The Book Thief" which was really fucking long and dragged out but I enjoyed most of it, especially since the entire time I was poking and prodding him with my feet because he's INCREDIBLY squirmish when it comes to people touching him, he says it's because nobody really ever touches/touched him very much and he isn't used to it Both of us were giggling and enjoying ourselves the entire time, no weird feelings, at one point he was relaxing and laying between my legs but with his head between my knees approx. Eventually we both get pretty snoozy so I rolled up into a ball and went to lay down next to him, wanting to put my leg on his thigh but didn't want to bug him or anything. Cue the whole wiggle closer to get close to the guy you like bullshit. He and I both fall asleep but the entire time I'm just DRENCHED in sweat. I got up to sleep in my room just because sleeping on the couch without white noise going bugs me.
He'd stayed over the next day as well, we got breakfast and chilled the entire day, eventually he brings up the idea of maybe moving in with me (in my room, we'd share a bed the entire time because there's not a lot of space), but since that's not up to me I kinda just shoved the idea aside and said it's probably a better idea to ask my parents. He ended up cleaning our entire kitchen trying to earn brownie points of some sort. Staying the night again, we make smalltalk while laying down and he scratches my back for a bit out of nowhere and it felt amazing so I had him rub my back for a bit. He made the comment that it feels weird rubbing backs w/ people's shirts on but I'm not really comfortable with my body very much (even though I REALLY wanted his hands on me) so I resisted from taking my shirt off and having him rub my back for a while. cont..
I return the favor for a bit and it leads to tickling again and general goofing off (wrestling and whatnot like before but nothing dirty or raunchy).
Before actually rolling over I mentioned that cuddling/being close to people is comforting while laying down and told him to give me his arm, and after he did I wrapped it around to my chest (i'm on my left and he was behind me), and he had said that it actually did feel kinda nice. But I sleep best on my right side so I flip over and snuggle closer to him trying to get comfy and eventually just go for it and throw my arm all the way around him the same way I had his arm around me, getting REALLY comfortable, I think my hand was somewhere around his chest. If he had pulled my hand closer to him and held my arm or something I probably would have died on the spot from happiness.
Rolling around while trying to actually be able to fall asleep commences but eventually he's on his back and I'm still facing him, so again I just put my arm over him and pull closer to close the gap and keep warm (window wide open and it's winter time in WA), tucking my hand between his right arm and neck. In hindsight going for a 'hug' type thing where my arm goes under his would have been more comfortable but I can't complain tbh. Getting closer I tossed my leg over his in the half-spoon half-sprawled out type position and finally fall asleep. Hung out for a bit after he woke up and then eventually headed back home. Took my room literally three days to stop smelling like him, guess I don't have a strong/long lasting scent or anything because it smelled like it was his room and not mine.
If much else happens I'll be sure to update same-day. I might just end up telling him I'm still interested in him, soon. Not that I'd DO anything to him if he didn't feel the same way but I don't think that one-way feelings is grounds for not cuddling any more, cause I sleep REALLY fucking good when he's here.
i love you guys im sorry it took fucking ages to update i've been getting shit at work lately and it's stressing me out to the point where i sleep, go to work, come back, sleep the entire day and just go back to work, rinse, repeat. i lost a lot of motivation to post but after coming here and seeing a lot of people actually interested in my schoolgirl shit i figured i'd update
my memory is kinda foggy (terrible short term memory) but i made sure to bring up the majority of what happened.
op is not kill, friend did not kill me, story continues.
Hm. His nickname is Oscar so I'll just use that from now on. It's weird though cause that's my dog's name. Any time I call my dog, said friend responds, every time. Not sure if it's out of of habit or he does it on purpose.
I've been lurking for awhile now, checking out /hm, fapping when the need arises. I've never been morally invested in an ongoing story like this. I would very much like an update from OP. At least a little closure.
that's what i intend to do lol but since i have no method of transportation (no car/license still, working on it) unless he comes here / picks me up or meets me somewhere i can't just run by his place and snatch him.
in other news, got to see a friend i haven't seen in about three years. also, is anybody interested in seeing what i look like? or should i not bother. i'm not ugly i promise.
Thanks all, cause I actually am pretty self conscious. My eyes are brown with an overcast of green, sometimes the green is slightly more noticeable, but it's pretty muted for the most part. Really boring in my opinion but I can't complain. I'm 6'2" and like 160lbs but I have practically no muscle, nobody asked but I figured I'd mention.
I know right. He's over again in bed messaging some girl, he's 21, she's 16, trying to shoo him away from going for someone that much younger.
I'm probably gonna grab a smaller blanket and share the bigger one with him and sneak in more cuddles but I dunno. Also going to see if he can give me a back rub or something this time. Probably last post for tonight.
So I texted him that he should come over and hang out for christmas eve since he isn't doing anything apparently, says he's watching yesterday's game or something and he'll come over after. Not 10 minutes after he says "on my way" he's already here, didn't expect him to be that fast tbh. We started watching some shitty movie called "Whisper" which neither of us could stand to sit through entirely and head to my room instead, asks if he can use the computer and ends up chatting with some girl (same one i mentioned) for a bit and hops off my computer when I tell him to just install google hangouts or whatever and talk through there. I play "the crew" for a bit because i'm bored and didn't want to play anything that i couldn't leave if he wanted to chat/talk/do something. After an hour or so he strips down to his underwear and flips the lights off, still messaging that girl, and i felt like laying down because my hands/feet were freezing cold, wanted to warm up (and at the same time, get closer, so i'd taken off my pants this time c: ). I shared the bigger blanket with him (as i said earlier) and ended up jabbing his sides with my cold af feet, he jumped so hard he actually fell off the bed lmao, a couple of times actually.
Eventually he 'had enough' and started wrestling me around, and since he's stronger than me that ended up being him mainly just throwing me around and holding/pinning me down (including wrapping his arms/legs around mine so I couldn't move, my ass to his junk which I enjoyed quite a bit) until I gave up or got sneaky and slipped free. He kept going for my sides and belly but EVERY time I had the chance I'd go for his nipples cause he'd already pinched mine a few times (on purpose, funny/awkward same time), but every time I landed something it was just chest hair and yanking that near his nips hurt a bunch.
I kinda forgot to mention this earlier, the entire time (just kinda throughout roughhousing) he was smacking my ass/thigh here and there, so every once in a while I'd sneak in a smack too, sometimes with a plastic hanger I had sitting around which made him yelp a couple of times, leaving a mark or two. He wanted to see if I had any marks (cause he had smacked mine pretty hard a few times) but I didn't feel comfortable with that for w/e reason. I'm pretty modest. One time he actually ended up smacking my balls instead which had me laying down not moving for a good 5 mins, laughing but hurting at the same time lol.
Eventually we both calmed down and he was laying on his belly (took a creepshot of dat ass btw, pic relevant) playing some random cellphone game (tower defense-style one, not sure because I don't game on my phone), so I get the idea to lay on him, back to back with my butt below his and his where my back arches which was REALLLLLLY comfortable, both of us had said so. Since I'm still kinda goofing around at this point I poke him a few times to where he twitches around and start scratching his head massage-like. Apparently it felt good enough to the point where he got really relaxed and just didn't care if I poked him or not, he wasn't really responding lol. Said he's tired and we finally rolled over, he went to bed and I got up to watch some of the mythbusters back-to-back episodes (220 hours of that shit like wtf) for an hour before I actually get sleepy and hop in bed. He woke up somewhere around 2pm and I got up 30 minutes ago (5:34pm now). Said thanks for hanging out and whatnot then went off to get food/go home or whatnot.
also i just remembered i was going to start calling him by his nickname but it's less repetitive feeling to just say he/his etc. my bad
i think that'll be all for now/a few days though. and probably for a long while.
He ended up saying (last night) that he joined the army and ships out in about a month. So I'm kinda butthurt atm. Said he should have joined the navy instead (generally safer) but he said he didn't want to just "sit around and do nothing on a boat/in an office" etc.
So this might come to a close here soon. :c
Also, as far as i can tell from all of my time hanging out with him, he doesn't seem gay/bi/whatever but will keep on mentioning ex girlfriends or stories about 'him not swinging that way' etc, as if he has to prove something which always makes me think the opposite, like he WANTS to try something but not "jeopardize his sexuality" or whatever. As for how I see it, getting a bj from a guy doesn't make you gay, it's just taking advantage of an opportunity, especially considering you don't even have to do anything, and there's nothing gender-defining about a mouth/tongue I guess. Sex however, I dunno. If you're really craving it and it's literally two guys on the planet of the earth, maybe it's different but that's not how it is because there's girls everywhere to pick over sleeping with a dude.
if it COULD turn out in my favor, i'd be pretty happy, but it probably won't.
that's all for now. i'll still be around if people have questions/suggestions/want to talk etc.
>>1044873 Dude you so could have gone with the whole show your ass thing and taken it further from there, he might have been testing to see how you would react when he asked. He definitely seems interested in fooling around at the least and you should maybe follow his queues it might end well for both of you.
in retrospect there wasn't any reason why not to show. i've literally ALWAYS been very modest though, me being in my underwear around just one other person is the extent of how much i show to anyone in person. i don't even put the towel around my waist when going from the bathroom to my bedroom, it's always up under my armpits lol
>>1044894 It seems like he is pretty straight up with you for most things and is comfortable about talking to you about stuff as well. Why not just ask him straight out of he wants to fool around or even just cuddle
OP, you seem like a really cool, cute guy, and I just hope you know that if this doesn't work out, something definitely will. We live such short lives, filled with so many characters, it's only towards the end we appreciate what was fun, who we loved, etc. I hope you reach closure with this guy, negative or positive, and look at it objectively, knowing you did what felt right for you. And I hope the universe aligns to find a guy that is just as confusing, engaging, and just what you need.
Thanks, it means a lot to me actually. I ~try~ to be a good person, and you have no idea how guilty i actually feel over the creepshot photos but i felt obligated to share what he looks like / why i enjoy being around him and whatnot, but trying only goes so far. Also the only compliment i ever get from people is "you're cute" so it's still a nice compliment but i almost never take it to heart, unfortunately, because it's the only compliment i ever DO get :v. i (overall) just want someone, and want them to want me back. i don't even fucking care about sex honestly. if i have someone i genuinely care for and love being around, love spending my time with etc then it's worth it to me. that's why i'm trying to figure out what Oscar wants, because if he's worried about sex or something (assuming he's just being shy/bashful about the entire thing, which is possible but idk) that's NOT what i'm going after and that's not what i'd expect from anyone going into a relationship. companionship is way more important to me than sex is, considering i've never had it before, i don't FEEL like i'm missing out on anything. that's probably not the case but as-is i'm happy with how things are going for me, relationship or not. eventually i hope to find "the guy" but for now i'm just happy to have someone who doesn't mind sleeping in their underwear under the same blanket as me. =]
I am in a similar situation as OP. I am 27 and mate is 34
My straight friend often comes over as he has no TV and shit in his house, so it must be boring, if he is not at mine he is somewhere hanging out, he never stays at home. He also has not had sex in like 10 years so I think he is close to cracking...
We have been hanging out for like a year now, and he knows I am gay etc. He is pretty homophobic, but lets me off with it because we have a 'business relationship' as well as a friendly one, and because I am not camp or anything, he really fuckin hates it.
He often stays over, sleeps in underwear on the sofa, that is because I cannot sleep beside anyone though, really light sleeper, but anyway, moving on. When he is showering, he just walks naked in to the bathroom. His cock is not massive or anything, just a nice size, but is impressive when he is hard. Not the biggest I have seen but he aint a size queen or anything
The fucker always gets changed in my house, the reason he gets changed alot is he cycles everywhere, obsessed with bikes, anyway, stripping down to his underwear before putting on one of those full body cycling suits and I am sitting acting all cool when in reality I am fucking loving the show.
He is a real chavvy type. Really old fashioned for his age too. He is like an old person when it comes to technology n shit, so I have to help him out a lot with computer related stuff. He is also pretty old fashioned in his views. He is not affectionate, but then neither am I, been keeping up appearances as a 'hard lad' for years as you kind of needed to in my neighbourhood, and it has kind of put me off showing affection. So there is no cuddling or anything like that.
What there is though, is him giving me permission to feel shit chest / muscles, even had me massage his ass when he was in pain from sitting so long cycling.
fuck wanted this to last only one post as not to detract from OP. will cont if there is interest but ran out of room. no pics btw
>>1045794 Right, once again going to try and keep everything brief. This post is reasons I think he does NOT want sex. I dont come here often and would prob forget about it, also not my thread so.
Yeah, He just pulls his trousers down and gets on the floor and tells me to massage his ass. So naturally I do it. To add context of the randomness of it, he gets me to do that quite a bit, but usually on his shoulders, not only him but a lot of my friends do. It is just known among our circle that it is something I can do well for a non professional.
But yeah it feels great, when he rolled round I noticed he was not erect. Was kind of disappointed but it was expected, of course I fully was.
Another thing he did, which I found weird for a hetero was he got me to sit on his knee when teaching me to roll . Well, he pulled me on to his knee, but it seemd more as a kind of 'banter' than initiating anything. and put his arms infront of me showing me how to do it.
I dont feel like he is trying anything on with me, and honestly I am happy enough that way, but if he initiated anything at all, I would be on it like a rocket.
Reasons I feel he is not trying anything, as I have had quite a few 'straight' guys and their intentions were pretty clear. I honestly dont go for them or anything, nor did I have to groom them or anything and I have no clue how they know that I will not try and kick their shit in or anything as I am not out to anybody except a few fam members and close friends. And these guys were all just aquaintances.
Another reason I feel he is not trying anything is because he calls me 'kiddo'. That is what I am in his phone, and it is what he refers to me as to other people. Kiddo seems like he kind of views me as a younger brother type maybe? There is like an 8 year gap between us (my original post said I was 27, but that is a typo, I am 26)
Fuck sake out of room again lol, I am really shit at trying to get my point across in an efficient way. cont below.
Right, this posts content is mixed messages. but starting with a messsage to anyone reading that you are all hoping for a sexy climax, it has not happened so there wont be one. Also leading off with, when it comes to this guy, I have not been making advances myself, I leave that all up to him to do or not do. I love him to bits (probably more than my other friends) and I would never risk that by trying anything. He is literally over 5+ days a week for over a year now so we are pretty close and loosing him would be devastating.
right, mixed signals time. He always goes on about how horny he is. One day he will come iff with 'Fuck I really could do with my dick getting sucked' and the next instance we will be standing in the kitchen or whatever and he will come off with something like, 'Fuck I really need to find some pussy'.
So in some cases he is telling me, a gay guy that he is busting for a blowjob, which none of my straight friends usually say, but on the others he mentions how he wants girls (well their body parts) specifically.
Another weird case is, he needs me to download him porn for his phone. Sometimes he asks specifically for just 2 women. but recently he asked for girls with multiple guys, which I can understand as a fetish thing, even I get off to girls getting fucked if the guy is hot. Guess the reverse is true too for straight guys. The weirdest instance is though he said 'no more asian guys'. Why was he paying attention to the guy in straight porn?
Something that really threw me off what his deal is, when he got out of prison (he was in like 3 weeks mistakenly) he came straight to mine. He hugged and kissed me on the cheek, which was so fucking out of character enough which shocked me, and if I am being honest, I thought that he was about to 'initiate'.
>>1045865 >X* = something I was looking after for him
Yeah that section was revised, and is not in the post, fuck sake.
But yeah I feel I am rambling and sounding obsessed so I think I will leave it here. Getting in to situations that I can not give context too and it will get complicated to type well (not that I have been doing a good job so far).
Going to end with what I think, about my situation.
I feel, that I will not be going anywhere with this guy, but I think he has definetly thought about it.
Also I feel if he was going to by now that he would have. And I am actually fine with this. He is a good friend, and so reliable. I have still been sexually active, its not like I am saving myself for him or anything creepy.
I am looking forward to being his friend for many years to come, and if something happens it happens, I am fine either way. I dont know if its love or lust anyway, probably a thin line and on some level I probably love him as a friend and lust for him as a male so those thoughts get muddled.
Peace out, typing this all down has really helped me to be honest, same way people are advised to write letters to people and then burn them or some shit.
Is there a gay man that hasn't been friends with one of those fence straddlin' straight men? I've been best friends with two guys who liked to blur the "friendship" line. Massages, affection, wrestling. One of them asked for my help trimming his pubes, and the other got drunk and wanted me to suck him. Both friendships ended in disaster when I told them I had feelings for them that were more what a friend should have. I've gotten better about keeping boundaries very straight and clear since. My best bud and I just shared our first hug over the holidays, after being friends for four years, and it was our first physical contact. lol
>>1046206 No, he is not in to relationships at all. He could not be in one without changing loads. As I mentioned before he is never in his home so unless his girl would put up with going everywhere with him, or never seeing him he stands no chance. He is also a very paranoid person, especially over the fact that he does not want his ex (who he has a child with) to know that he is shagging someone.
He literally wont shag anyone in our town due to being so paranoid about getting caught out or something, and me and plenty of our friends have told him how stupid this is, but yeah, he really aint the sharpest tool in the shed. He has considered prostitutes, and we are going to Amsterdam in like 2 months so I assume his dry spell will end over there.
>>1046169 There are often other guys with us, due to what we do, but that is a good point as he is different when it is just the two of us compared to when others are around. He acts more 'grown up' around them as they are essentially our bosses as well as our friends. The other guys are also waay older than the both of us though. Between 50 and 60 and our relationship with them two is more professional than casual, but we all still hang out in social situations.
>>1046466 Really hope you'll come clean with Oscar before he ships out. If you tell him how you feel, he might do the same. Whether the feelings are mutual or not at least you'll go on with your life knowing you didn't pass up a big opportunity.
But of course, it also might just end up ruining your friendship with him.
This is a guy who knows you're gay, sleeps in same bed as you in his underwear, wrestles you in his underwear, whips you and asks to see your ass naked. I think he's giving you signs.
Invite him over for new year and have a drink it two. Tell him it's your resolution to try new things like drinking, that'll cover it. Don't get drunk though.
You said in the past he massaged you, offer to do the same for him. Massage his back and thighs for a while and see if he asks for a chest or butt one. If he massages you, get him to do it under your shirt if you don't want to take it off.
Finally, when it comes to midnight say something jokey like "do I get a peck on the cheek since there's no one here to kiss?"
Don't initiate anything more than the above as you don't want to scare him off, but if he's joining the army you've nothing to lose.
Movie called Plan B about slowly seducing a straight friend.
Bruno is dumped by his girlfriend; behind a calm, indifferent expression, his mind plans a cold, sweet vengeance. She, a modern girl, keeps on seeing him once in a while, but has another boyfriend, Pablo. Bruno becomes Pablo's friend, with the idea of eroding the couple, maybe introducing him to another woman. But, along the way, the possibility of a plan B arises, a more effective one, which will put his own sexuality into question.
I just suggested having a drink as the OP mentioned it himself.
I thought he could spin it as a new year resolution of his - try something new. Then ask Oscar what his resolution would be. Kinda a cheesy / lame way to open the door to "what new things are you going to try this year, Oscar?" conversation before asking him for a peck on the cheek.
But only one out two drinks if he's gonna have any as getting drunk if you're usually teetotal is never a good idea.
I'll try what >>1046966 said minus the drinking maybe. I work new year's eve from 4-12 midnight so i'll see if i can clock out early and leave for this party whatever he had in mind. I think his friends (church friends probably) will be there so I have no idea what will/won't happen. I tried asking exactly where it was / who would be there but he never actually answered.
Middle name is Scott btw, not my first name but close enough.
You know, as an older gay used to the petty insults gay men seem to hurl back at each other, the overwhelming shallow world we live in, it's really heartwarming to see a post full of encouragement. Good job anon
All the gay guys that I have met are overly with either sex or drinking and I had begun to give up looking for guys like me. Your story has given me hope that there are other guys like you out there. Thanks for that!
Regardless of how your relationship with Oscar turns out (and I truly wish you the best) you should know that you are an awesome guy <3
perhaps tomorrow or something, i might take a new one or just find another random one or something, but i need to shave because i look like i'm homeless lmao. i did however take a photo or two of me lifting my shirt because i felt semi-attractive today. might share, dunno.
>>1049339 i'm surprised you get that vibe from me considering the entire thread is about me crushing/wanting to get with a straight dude. that being said- i guess i do have morals, not doing anything that'd be considered rapey (minus the two creepshot photos, i still feel bad about it but i had to deliver somehow) or inappropriate i suppose. i'd like to think i'm a nice guy, and if this doesn't pan out, i'm hoping i find someone that might be even better! until then i'm fine with just doing my own thing.
>>1049355 and i'm happy people like you (and everyone else in here, to be honest) exist as well. there's been nothing but positive feedback on this thread and it actually ended up surprising me how quick this took off and how many people got so invested in it (especially when i hadn't posted for a long time, so many people coming out of the woodworks begging for more).
Happy new year OP. You have to get some sort of closure on this. True story of Norwegian fag: I was crushing on (or really madly in love with) my best mate in high school. And he was giving me all sorts of signals. I think we both were in love. After HS we took seperate ways and eventually lost contact:/ it bugs me to this day, almost 20 years later, that I didn't tell him how much I cared about him:/ however I have heard he eventually married girl and has kids, so maybe he was not gay after all. Anyway I have had pretty decent boyfriends, but still I sometimes think of the life we could have had together.
Your thing may end good or bad. Either way, at least u know and will not have to think about this for as long as I have. Wish u the best of luck OP! I will continue lurking now.
>>1049728 good joke, anon. i'd love to see the original post, seeing as this is the original post.
>>1049645 how i see it is that if something happens, then that's great, if not, then i'm back to square one where i was content being. Oscar ships out feb 2nd so I've got another month to spend time with him and maybe confront him about it or just spill my feelings.
The weird thing is he already figured out I liked him before, I don't know what would make him think I don't still like him, because he'd brought up something along the lines of "I don't know if you still like me like that or not" and I got deathly silent. After he'd figured it out we didn't talk for a while because things were kinda weird but here we are now.
OP seriously you have the oppourtunity to experience something that many of us have wanted to or never had the balls to. I was in a similar situation with my best friend, he would act different around me to everyone else he would beg me to come and watch him play rugby and only the girlfriends did that, so I would be there to watch him with the players girlfriends. We would wrestle in the snow and he would just lie on me and pin me down, he would hint compliments at me and acted different with me to his other friends. We were 16/17 at the time so he would call by my house and we would just go for walks for hours whereas he only met other people to play sport. He didn't know I was gay because I was too shy to admit though he asked and I denied cause I was young and shit, but he would act like this around me and then he had a girlfriend (who was a massive butch lesbian) so I didn't know where my place was with him. It got to the point where I didn't know if he liked me as a friend, or whatever and I ended up telling him that I didn't want to be friends because it was messing with me. Don't waste an oppourtunity like this OP on someone you like and on someone who may like you.
>>1050186 quick update, I'm at work :v I tried to see if he wanted to come by after midnight and pick me up, head to my place etc but he doesn't know what the plan is. I'm going with him and a friend to "Zoo lights" tomorrow though, seems like it'll be fun. More updates later, I'm off at midnight.
>>1050187 home now no new year's kiss, looked pretty croot in this purple new year's hat, minus the fact i need to shave my major neckbeard
>>1050223 Thanks, happy new year's to you as well. Nothing from Oscar yet other than the fact I said "no kiss for this new year's either :/", got the response "well there's always xxx" and said person that must not be named is 100% not my type and he knows that. eugh. after that he said "well if you were needy lol jk", should have said "i'd take you up on that offer" but i'm a pansy.
the plan is to hang out tomorrow w/ his friend and a few people from that friend's church. Dunno if they'll fall through but we'll see.
Scott, I recommend you to talk to Oscar about this before he goes and don't leave it till the last minute either. He may need some time to mull things over. I think a good way to go about it would be to discuss the fact that you feel that there is some sort of chemistry between you two (bear in mind that in many cases this chemistry can be completely platonic as well) and that for you, you are becoming more emotionally attached. Say you need to know whether it’s the same for him. You don’t want to be too serious/intense about it though. Try to keep it casual so that he doesn’t feel like it’s too full on to talk about. He may also try to avoid talking about it… don’t let it go at first but don’t be persistent. You want to get it out in the open but not nag him about it. If nothing is resolved, I would probably just leave it there and hope he brings it back up at some point (hence don’t leave it to the last minute!). If not, then you most likely have your answer.
>>1050885 cont. You also need to ask yourself a really important question. What are you going to do if you can’t be more than friends? You might come to the conclusion that it’s best not to bring up the subject at all so as to not jeopardise the friendship, which is perfectly reasonable. If you stay friends however, you will need to get over your feelings for him. No if’s or but’s. If you don’t, you will spend your days aching and feeling like shit as you watch this person have relationships with other people and never have the same love reciprocated back to you. It’s just self-destructive. So you need to ask yourself whether you can be just friends with this person or not. If not, you may have to take the road of ending the friendship (this may be a bit extreme – you could just say you want to take a break) on the grounds that you are too emotionally invested – and you will need to tell him this. He going away to the army may be a blessing in disguise. The time apart should hopefully allow you to move on if nothing comes of it.
>>1050886 cont. Another thing to consider is the fact that Oscar may be bi and just hasn’t fully come to terms with it yet. Sexuality is not always black and white. A lot of people lie in the grey area in a number of different ways, and that grey area doesn’t strictly mean bi either. For Oscar, the extent of this grey area may be that he is only (I use the term ‘only’ very loosely here) sexually attracted to women but also enjoys the physical/emotional company of men as well. I am trying to describe the situation you are currently in (ie. The sleeping together, tickling, wrestling, snuggling etc.) but not sure ‘physical/emotional’ is the best way to describe it. This in itself doesn’t mean much either as I’ve seen a lot of straight men do some really ‘gay’ things as well. Some men are just really comfortable with who they are and their sexuality, that it doesn’t bother them to do things that would otherwise be considered opposite to being straight. I hope that all made sense and I haven’t confused you more. I’m no expert… This is just my 2 cents. What does everyone else think?
Besides thinking OP is adorable, I just want to caution him. I've been in a similar situation with two close "straight" best friends that enjoyed blurring the line. Massages, wrestling, all that stuff. I made the decision to tell them about my feelings, and it blew up in my face, and it eventually led to me losing both of them. It's really hard to be friends with a guy whose girlfriend eventually realizes how you feel, and bitches be cray. Whatever happens, OP, know that moving forward with anything may risk what you guys already have together, and if it's something special to you, your friendship and all, I'd exorcise more caution. Sex is a momentary, fleeting feeling, while friendships can last forever. Good luck OP.
It's OP. Gotta sleep for work tonight (only five hour shift), I'll update before work if I have the time, I will say he was over last night and I basically told him to roll over so I can cuddle with him and he didn't complain lol. At some point he put his arm and hand over mine and pulled them closer, I had my leg over his with feet touching to keep warm all under the same blanket. Probably the most comfortable I've been with anyone before.
I really wanted to talk to him about what was suggested above but didn't want to ruin anything because I'm too selfish.
I haven't forgotten about the thread, still checking every day a few times but lack the want to post cause it always reminds me he's leaving in a month. :/
Love you all! Hope your new years night went well. Be back later
Also for those in Washington, how close to Kitsap?
That all makes complete sense tbh. The more and more I think about it I feel like it's probably me just overthinking it- and he just likes having someone be there with him or cuddles from a friend who cares etc. I probably won't "make a move" or anything as I'd prefer having a friend who doesn't mind cuddling already than losing one just because I got the wrong idea.
I'm almost entirely sure it's just wishful thinking on my part. And even though I think "nothing bad can happen by just asking", I know that's not true. I feel like even if nothing happens, I'd rather him not have to tell me nothing will happen, as that'll probably hurt even more than me just not trying to get something more out of what I do have already.
>>1050653 It's in the Puget Sound area, we didn't end up going though. After he left I slept til 8PM (one hour before the place closed)
>>1051472 I definitely feel like I treasure a good close friendship than a relationship that probably wouldn't turn out due to various reasons, even if it were to happen. If I can get cuddles anyway, why does it matter, right?
>>1051666 >>1051676 I'm not gonna try to make anything happen. I don't think I ever really did plan on trying to make anything happen. Maybe consider it but I'm definitely better off as-is imo.
>>1051848 I won't. Dunno if I'll post another face pic either as I don't want to change the nature of the thread to "op is an attention whore".
OP (Scott) I really wish you the best. I'm rooting for you man all the way from Africa (lol). You are hot and young and from this thread you strike me as a nice and pretty chill dude so even if this whole deal with Oscar doesn't go the way you want, you can bounce back. Fingers crossed it doesn't come to that. But you have to do or say something before he goes.
>>1052094 OP (Scott) I really wish you the best. I'm rooting for you man all the way from Africa (lol). You are hot and young and from this thread you strike me as a nice and pretty chill dude so even if this whole deal with Oscar doesn't go the way you want, you can bounce back. Fingers crossed it doesn't come to that. So if you find a closure you need to move on and be happy. Best of luck.
I have never bookmarked a page from 4chan until now. Scott if you can't get it to work with Oscar I will gladly take his place. You are so cute and seem slightly timid. Which is really endearing. Just go for it. im really shy too, but if I hadn't taken chances like that I would have missed out on some of the best sex I've ever had in my life. Seriously. At least if you're rejected you can put your mind at ease.
>>1052094 > I definitely feel like I treasure a good close friendship than a relationship that probably wouldn't turn out due to various reasons, even if it were to happen. If I can get cuddles anyway, why does it matter, right?
I think it's the best choice to make. I've met somebody at high school with which I've fallen in love and couldn't resist more than 3 month to tell him... I hoped reciprocity, but... He instead told people (under the "shock") that I'm gay and even if he was still somehow nice with me. Hanging with a gay wasn't at the taste of his friends and they decided to dump me... As he's dependent of his friends, he chosen to do the same... It's five years now that I told him and I'm trying to keep contact, telling I just want a friendship (and it's true), but when I have replies it's just "We can't be friends as long as you have feelings for me."
I would love to have taken the same decision as you... I would so much continue being so close to him, even if for that he wouldn't know my feelings...
Just to echo so many sentiments here, we are all rooting for you, OP!
While pushing things forward could risk the friendship...I'd still lean towards going there. If this isn't a lifelong emotionally-important friendship then do you really have that much to lose? If he never moves back or you never see him again after the Army, you'll never know what might have been!
OP you seem mature and a nice guy. Follow what you think is right for you and him.
This post is so heart warming and not just for OP's story but the way everyone focused on it instead of all the porn in /hm/. It honestly feels like a redeeming closure to all of us who fell in love with a straight best friend.
I am eternally lurking but I had to post on this one. This thread is so relateable. He has definitely shown you clear signs of interest OP at this point you might as well go for it. IMO you'll probably come out alright. Rooting for you!
>>1052718 I personally feel like it might just be time to cut ties with him if he only thinks you're interested in him still. Feels a little gay-panicky, seems like he's just distancing himself from you because of this. He's got new friends since then who would probably understand, maybe he just doesn't want to be friends. And that's alright. :)
>>1052897 As mature as I can be for 20, 21 in 8 months or so. And I'm glad the thread gives you those feelings, really surprised of all the positive posts/feedback and all considering it's completely unlike 4chan.
>>1052836 >>1052912 If things turn out like that, they will, but I'm not going to fuck up a friendship for no good reason if he doesn't 'make a move' first. If he's interested eventually he'll show/tell, he's that kind of guy which is just another reason I like him a whole bunch.
>>1052940 There's a difference between being an ice-breaker and being in the closet. He could be easily flirty with girls, but if he's closeted then he may never make the first move on a guy. Fear can really do a number on someone's personality. If you don't make a first move, even something as subtle as a question, then if he is into you he may never show it. You will probably lose any chance to be with him when he leaves.
>>1052940 >>1052718 here, you are totally right about him, it's what I think too. But... I just can't tell me to let him alone (I'm not harassing him, on the contrary I'm too respectful)... I love him, think about him all day long and I fear if I don't send him messages, he will forget me... He also shows me some signs of 'interest' after I told him, like when we were crossing eyes, we kept looking at each other, or at the point where he deleted me from his Facebook friends (not even after a discusion), he continued for two month or so posting in "public" for me (I suppose, he never did it before nor after) to see. And he never block me because it was too embarrassing to talk to me... He is also very indecisive guy, and I hope it's the same for his sexual preferences... I'm certainly persuading myself too much that it's possible and create false evidence of reciprocity from him...
from an outside perspective reading your story scott, i think you should continue doing & being who you are & just cherish the moments you have left with him. If he is falling (or fell, more likely) for you, then it means he likes your awkwardness, demure qualities just as much as you like his openness to being intimate. it's obvious you two are in love with each other, but it may seem like sex is not the goal on his end. now i could be wrong & you may be the tipping point of his inclination, but the possibility of something so special to be ruined, even slightly, is just too intimidating. Just look around at how much people here want what you have right now.
tl;dr = be yourself, you're lovable as you are. forward or otherwise :)
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