/meta/

This board is literally /int/ and /pol/ put together

good fucking job hiro

It's Hiroshimoot.
Limit to 3 Holocaust threads. One standard, one revisionist, and one for debate between the two camps.
Limit to one Hitler thread.
Max of 10 WWII threads, not including the Hitler and Holocaust threads.
No trying to make up source rules. Too much strictness about what sources are valid will stifle discussion.

>day one people are bitching about /pol/

OY VEY

>>1239
Don't shitpost. This thread is important.

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>>844
No flags.

They are not required on this board. But if they must, absolutely be posted, then let them be selectable and not based on IP.

>>844
>>>/qa/310850
NO GENERALS
O

No flags, no IDs. Flags have nothing to do with history beyond autismal /int/ shitflinging threads and IDs are only for cancer boards (/b/, /pol/) to assuage fears of samefagging

>>1239
More like Day 0.
>>1384
About to say the same thing. Generals ruin everything. They promote stagnation and shitposting.

A lot of Risk players would be interested in being able to play here. I think we should limit it to historical preset maps though.

here's an example of a game >>640

I don't think generals belong on it. While it would be good to have them for periods of history, things like /rome/ and /ww2gen/ would be full of shit because most people are just amateur historians or would only be interested in memes.

>>1384
There have to be generals, because we have to limit discussion of certain topics.

>>844
Sticky needs to mention the use of primary sources.

>>1418
>>1358
I agree on the flag thing. Not sure on ID's, but I think flags are kind of pointless and literally just bring shit over from /int/ and /pol/

>>1510
Just delete threads about already existing topics like everyone used to do

>generals allowed
>risk/game threads not allowed
>vexillology allowed
>keep /pol/ out of /his/

There, I fixed the board. Thank me later mods.

>>844
Can the history of language, or of a language's historical development, be allowed for this board?

That is my question. Essentially, is historical linguistics and stuff allowed?

>>1418
I can understand flags, but why IDs? I don't see the downside to having IDs on a board like /his/ as it forces some accountability onto the poster. If someone argues like a retard without providing sources and whatnot it's nice to be able to identify them to filter and ignore shitposters who have no place in serious discussions.

>>1418
>IDs are only for cancer boards (/b/, /pol/)
Well why do you think this board got them?

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- Remove flags
- Remove IDs
- Avoid generals
Everything else should sort itself out

>>1715

Of course, it's history (and fascinating).

The history of history itself is relevant.

>>1629
Topics can be about the same thing but take a very different form so there need to be set limits on certain topics (Hitler, Holocaust, WWII) so people with other interests don't get pushed off the board, turning it into /stormfrontwithdates/

>>1724
Because this is an anonymous imageboard. IDs are reserved for misbehaving boards that are overflowing with samefagging shitposters.

Generals are just that: generals. They're a haven for namefags, shitters, memers and other garbage.

/His/ covers so many topics that generals would only contribute to a narrowing of conversation.

>>1498
I mean /ww2g/ and /holocaust/ are necessary

keep /pol/ in /pol/
really easy to identify which thread is which

>>1163
What do you think about this mods? At least the holocaust part?

>>1163
>One standard, one revisionist,

So two revisionist then?

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POLL ON FLAGS AND ID'S

VOTE

FLAGS: http://strawpoll.me/5886486

ID's: http://strawpoll.me/5886505

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IDs work on this sort of board, where you'll likely have discussions between certain posters in a thread through multiple posts, can stop others from derailing the conversations with shitposting, but flags aren't needed and really just serve to fuel /int/-/pol/ tier shitposting along the lines of

*someone posts good post*
*meme related to posters country*

>>1693
>keep /pol/ out of /his/
This is utterly impossible and would stifle discussion.
>>1947
Excluding either camp will end in a shitty board with no quality content

>>1888
You're still anonymous with an ID. They can only be used to keep track of posting history in a thread and considering there's going to A LOT of debate on this board and even more conflicting opinions you know for sure that there's going to be shitposting, samefagging and people using every tactic under the sun to win a debate.

>>1937

Why? The historical discussion is stale and it would be full of memes and already over-established opinions. Who actually gives a fuck?

>the OP would probably contain links to historians and necessary reading, primary and secondary sources to educate yourself about the period
>that would literally be the only valuable or insightful part of the general

It's a fucking awful idea.

>>844
no flags, no generals: threads should be arguments or discussions on a specific topic not tripfags jerking eachother, limit threads discussing hitler to 1, threads discussing WW2 to 5 to stop 5 million holohoax threads, threads discussing jews to 1 for same reason, moderation of shitposting

>>1976
I botched the FLAG Strawpoll, obviously it is flags and flags alone

>>1852
If they're too different they don't need to get deleted, but an Hitler thread and a nazi thread talking about hitler for example can be joined deleting the most recent one

>>1963
No. One for discussion without revisionism or anit revisionism, one for discussion about revisionism, and one for both sides to debate in.
That should wrap the subject up neatly, without excessive moderation or having it sprout up in other WWII threads.

>>1937
Reminder that /pol/ has history threads so it's not like you're taking topics away from the site

>>844
No flags. No IDs. No /pol/ idiocy. No /b/ memes. Elitism.

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>>2101
>keep track of posting history
Even in one thread, this goes against what anonymous imageboards stand for. The unique IP counter is bad enough, we don't need IDs on literally all boards.

>>2233
>Even in one thread, this goes against what anonymous imageboards stand for
Keeping track of post history in a thread is hardly violating someone's anonymity. They're still anonymous, they simply have to behave like a decent person when holding a discussion in a serious thread/debate. There WILL be shitposting on this board, and lots of it. Amateur historians will endlessly fling turds at eachother and making the shitposters who don't know what they're talking about recognizeable is hardly a bad thing.

>>2438
There are shitposters on every board. Do you propose IDs on every board?

>>2438
His bit is more a debate for site-wide policy than it is for a single board.

are there people that actually think this board is going to be anything aside from pol level autism, memeing and srs discussion?

i mean theres already a genocide general

>>2514
>>2586
I'm indifferent to having IDs on all boards because of the reasons I listed, but I think they're more relevant on /his/ than /a/ or /v/, because the arguments on those boards are more about subjective tastes in different hobbies while /his/ is supposed to deal in more objective facts regarding let's say historical unit tactics and compositions. There should be less tolerance for shitposting.

>>2814
History will tell

>>2823
just kill yourself already

>>2902
Why?

>>844
Nice dubs, OP. we need to get rid of flags but keep IDs

Kindof looks like the mods are already deleting or autosaging holocaust threads

>>844
No Holocaust and no Nazis, to keep the stormfaggotry to a minimum

>>2902
Resorting to insults means you lost the argument.

>>3295
Thank God we can see his ID, now we know he's a big meanie and we can ignore his baseless 'contribution' to the thread :)!

>>3360
We did it reddit!

No /int/
No /pol/

There's a sticky

>>3448

Well done /his/ is now /i/ pace.

>>2902
what a prick you are

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>>4038
same to you, faggot

>>844
keep the flags. In /his/ related threads on /tg/ I never know whether explain facts and context that would be obvious for somebody actually living in USA/Europe/country in question or not.

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>>844
>the mods don't want /his/ or /int/ shitflinging
>uses Sherman for the image post

God damn it.
It's one thing to bring up the American Civil War, it's a whole other when you post fucking Sherman.

>>1163
Sounds good to me, I think we're done here.

I think we should cut off the 20th century for discussion. Not because it isn't interesting subject matter, on the contrary.
But it will devolve in five big active threads on National Socialism and Hitler at all times and I don't think that this board should be about that.

>>1163
>Limit to 3 Holocaust threads. One standard, one revisionist, and one for debate between the two camps.
>Allowing holocaust """"revisionists"""" at all
Fucking disgusting

Are the flags gone? Fuck yes.

>>844
Flags BACK,don't care if normal ones or historical

Pls ;_;

>>6623
The supposed death rate at Auschwitz was dropped my several MILLION individuals. You don't think that's historically important?

>>6623
"history" is a documented revisionism of existence, please respect board culture

Alternate history threads should not be discussed on /his/. This is something armchair historians and pseudointellectuals engage in.

>>6705
Don't even fucking start you cunt

A big fucking NO to flags.

We finally got our /his/ after all these years of moot not giving shit, I don't want it to become a shitposting mall.

>>6896
He's right though. Not even talking about the /pol/ shit, but there were some admitted holocaust fuckups right after the war. This is probably why it's so questioned heavily now. In their defense, if it could be changed then, what is stopping it from being changed now? Or not changed enough?

Welcome to a historical discussion.

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As we all know that reality, and therefore history, has a liberal bias, it would make sense to ensure the quality posting on this board by limiting it to discussion of socialist and democratic events rather than some of history's darker moments.

/pol/ is already planning on brigading this board hard with holocaust spam and other triggering images. I highly advise our korean admin to immediately delete all right wing threads, and perma ban any posters who make threads promoting hate speech or conservative bigotry.

>>6863
This

>>7261
>free speech
>>>/pol/
You aren't allowed to blurt whatever banal nonsense you wish. Troglodytes should stay in their cave and let people with functioning brains have a discussion.

I like the rules he laid out earlier
I do think the post timer should be either 90 or 120 seconds

shit threads get raided by the mongols

People crying salty bitch tears about /pol/ are infinitely more annoying and numerous than /pol/ itself.

>>3059
They are straight up banning anyone that even sounds a little /pol/ish

They're gonna need more mods if they wanna keep it up

>discussing 25th dynasty of egypt
>accidentally refer to kushites as "colored people" instead of "people of color"
>get 3 day ban

real nice board you guys got here

>>7643
you literally sound like a 15 years old baby

>>7517
Yeah. They got me too

I never thought that 4chan would become just like Reddit and censor topics and discussion like the rest of the fucking internet.

Guess its back to crip chan for me.

>>7585
Wut? Is this real?

emperor hirohito
we need FLAGS
i need to spot the ameriblobs and nigels otherwise ill get upset when they post something silly

>>7692
>15 years old baby

a what now?

I feel like this is going to turn into a circlejerk about how great European culture is, and we'll rarely, if ever, have threads about the Semitic empires, Eastern and American civilization, etc.

So we actually need to enforce the anti-racism global rule desu senpai, within reason ofc

>>7811
Fuck off, don't make this /int/ 2.0

>>7335
>You aren't allowed to blurt whatever banal nonsense you wish. Troglodytes should stay in their cave and let people with functioning brains have a discussion.

SocJus : the post

>>844
All philosophy threads screwing up /sci/ and /lit/ should be posted here.

Camo/Militaria threads allowed here?

>>7989
The filter is off btw, and this isn't a spooky scary skeleton board.

>>844
/his/ should be /her/ #feminism

>>7989
>complaining about containmentboards

>>8057
>>>/pol/

>>7874
found the ameriblob

What sort of name should we give ourselves?

I vote /his/terics.

We need board IDs and flags. I will make a thread on /qa/ to this effect and get them behind us too.

delete this board we dont need a second /pol/

>>8057
no one will ban you for that if you are not using it to "offend" someone.

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I think you have to walk a fine line asking for high level discourse on 4chan.

Being flippant, sarcastic and standoffish is basically how modern 4chan operates, and which is why it's such a fun site to use.

I understand the need to not make /his/ /pol/ 2.0, but I hope this doesn't mean that humorous banter and typical 4chan style arguments between different historical viewpoints aren't deleted.

>>8007
Any thoughts on this?

Or threads about historical artifacts in general?

How about banning list threads? Take a look at the catalog, it's full of shit like:

>best empire?
>best british monarch?
>sickest battles in history?
>post your ...

and so on. I'm not saying that those topics are unrelated to history but list threads tend to result in a bunch of uninspired oneliners about how the Roman Empire was clearly the best. Maybe an all out ban is excessive but I atleast think some action should be taken against them.

>>8052
I know right!

Ugh, they even have a dead white male in the sticky. Its SO problematic

>>7585
IS THIS REAL?

EVERYONE PANIC

>>8128
We DID have them. Everyone said they didn't want them, and so we got rid of them.

Fuck off.

>>7585
Post a screenshot or link to the post then

>>8124
Sop/his/ts

>>8204
This, "what if", and pseudohistory threads.

>>8124
/his/panics

>>8222
Yes. They are also banning people for revisionism threads

>>8260
lol i fooled you guys

>>8204
>>8277
Or you could wait a week to let them settle down and casual posters to move on instead of asking mommy mod to delete everything you personally don't like

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>>8297
moot never wanted this

>>1724
This guy is correct.

Not having IDs makes it hard to have a proper conversation imo.

inb4 "THAT'S NOT REAL ANONYMITY" autism. It's a bunch of fucking random characters that changes every thread, that's as anonymous as you need to be.

Plus 4chan administration has a documented history of handing out IP addresses to anyone who sends a tersely worded e-mail anyways so if you're serious about being anonymous you shouldn't be here anyway.

Also who the fuck is OP to be making "official" threads? Unless your capcode is broken, you really don't have any right to make anything official.

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I swear to fucking god, Hiro, if you get your mods to ban people for discussing the holocaust I am going to be pissed.

These are the people who want to ban the Holocaust discussion.

>>8455
Go to another website if you want to argue against the poster's identity rather than their argument

>>8500
IDs will help with the former. If people are unable to argue properly then their IDs will make you able to recognize them as shitposters so you can ignore them, instead of them replying to you over and over under the guise of being someone else.

>>7335
>anyone who says nigger is an uneducated baffoon and should go peruse a higher education in liberal arts and feminism

Bravo liberals.

Make your voices heard: >>>/qa/315916

>We can't have an academically-oriented board like /his/ without IDs. It just wouldn't work. Smart people need to establish that they are consistent and authoritative in a thread, and trolls need to be identifiable. Flags would also make the board more interesting, since we could ask people from other countries about their unique perspectives on historical events. In Germany, the Holocaust is taught differently in schools than how it's taught in Iran. But without flags, we will never learn about those sorts of things.

>>8500
>>8567
Not to mention, we're not talking about fucking tripcodes here. We're talking about IDs that will be forgotten as soon as the thread 404s.

"No racism" is broad and could stifle discussion. It should be changed to "no slurs."

>>8594
fuck off back to 8gag we'll miss you

>>8500
> a set of random digits is an identity.

I'm identifying you as retarded.

>>1163
>even considering revisionist threads an option
It's not even a debate in academic history

This board is doomed from the start. After a few weeks this will be /pol/2.0

>>8735
"revisionism" is a misnomer, there is literally nothing wrong with discussing historical inconsistencies - or are you saying written history is a concrete fact and never should be questioned?

Is there really that much of a demand for heavily moderated formal discussion on 4chan?

I thought most people enjoyed this place because of the humor. Do you really want to eke out a "curated" safe space here?

Why not go to another website more suited for that?

>>8852
We don't want every board to be /b/.

>>8735
Well as of now the are deleting revisionism threads and banning op.

Except in the cases when it appears as though op is a non white

>>8888
Which is fine, because the vast majority aren't and still don't require the amount of moderation some people seem to be asking for here

>>8852
>Is there really that much of a demand for heavily moderated formal discussion on 4chan?
There's a demand for a middleground. You don't want an uptight community but at the same time you want to be able to discuss history at a level that's higher than /b/ and /pol/.

>>8961
/pol/ once had a high level of discourse, before moot fucked it up with trolls from /b/ and elsewhere

Why are "generals discouraged"?

>>6623
it's going to be shitposted to death and would require constant modding. Better to give them 1 general and say everything pertaining to it must go in there

>>9100
long running generals tend to go insular and offtopic

>>8594
I will if gook hero doesn't fix his shit I will.
Its ridiculous, wanting to ban history because it hurts your feelings.

>>8676
Have fun with these assholes.
>>6705
>>6896

>>6896
That is a well cited historical fact. I will start.

>>8852
have you looked at /g/ lately? /x/, /tv, /mu/, /int/, they are all filled to the brim with offtopic threads and useless generals to the point actual discussion on the board's subject is rare. nazi style moderation is bad, sure, but you have to create a few hard rules and use some deterrence to ones breaking them to prevent boards becoming a shitpost and offtopic dumpsters.

>>9145
So? They are optional, some people like generals and people that don't can simply avoid them.

Why not ban generals on all boards? Why specifically discourage generals on /his/?

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>>9099
no it didn't, been there since early 2012. The only difference after exodus was a more diverse population, more left wingers , regular conservatives etc rather than unofficial GOP board (and before that unofficial Stormfront board and pre /pol/, /n/ /new/ etc : unofficial paulbot board)

>>9152
>>8594

fuck off to cripplefuckchan and never come back

>>1911
This

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>>6623

>>8735
Actually, a number of the most glaring inconsistencies have been quietly dropped from the literature over the past few years.

>>9288
They've had to deal with the general problems on plenty of boards

/vg/ was created because they got so cancerous on /v/. Things like some of the /co/ generals and /got/ on /tv/ have had to be blatantly restricted because they were running non-stop and were full of insular shitposting barely related to the board's topic.

They're just trying to preemptively stop that from happening. If you want to talk about a certain part of Rome, make a thread about it. Going to /eternal rome general/ and asking a question that nobody answers because tripfags are too busy role playing is awful.

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>>9290
i miss him

>>2221
This. The ending of most of the elietism is what destroyed /a/

>>903
How is it his fault?

>>844
1) Keep /pol/ shit out. This should be a board for debate and discussion as close to intellectually rigorous as it can get on 4chan.
2) IDs maybe, because I'd like to know who is responding to me instead of some random shitposter who decided to falseflag
3) Allow for some low quality posts as long as they have something to contribute. One word meme posting is garbage.
4) Keep threads balanced. No one wants 20 Holocaust threads because the /pol/lacks are that desperate to talk about it, or 30 threads about WWII.

>>8297
>unironically believing that post
Underage people not welcome

How about OP gets an ID but no one else? That would cut down immensely on the samefagging/sockpuppeting

>>9712
It would barely do anything. Many times, the OP doesn't ever post to the thread again.

>>8888
This
/his/ should be subject to the over the top elitist moderation the /a/ of old experienced

People constantly accusing others of "/pol/ shit" is already ruining everything. Maybe that could use some fixing.

>>9569
>Keep /pol/ shit out

And what exactly does that mean? Making every /pol/ meme result in a ban? Making every comment that does not fit within the spectrum of acceptability be deleted?

This is already happening.

No X did nothing wrong threads.

This board is already filling up with /pol spam & circlejerking. It's a shame because there might be some people here that might want to actually discuss history.

>>9342
Hey asshole, I just don't want the board I've been waiting on for 11 FUCKING YEARS to become a liberal infested hellhole.

>>9990
What is /pol/ spam to you? Anything that hurts your feefees?

>>10028
This anon has a point
I hate /pol/ but between choosing a healthy dosage of reddit or /pol/ I pick /pol/ every time
The very nature of history is necessarily right wing

>>9906
You know what /pol/ shit is. Don't play dumb, anon, it doesn't suit you.

>>10028
Just go already.

>>8888
Fucking check'd

Nice repeating digits nigga

>>10315
No come on, tell us?

>>10315
Answer the faggots question, not everyone wants to ban everything that hurts feeulings.

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For those who never go to /pol/ out of fear or disgust, here's what it looks like.

>>10085
hitler warship, holocause denials, and generally just acting like your deliberately pushing an agenda. You're no worse then the SPOOKY SCARY SKELETONS that trigger you so badly.

(im about to be called a kek)

Is it true that if you use the word, "Nigger" that you'll automatically be banned?

>>10430
so? looks fine

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>>10449
digging those word filters.

>>10430
It's actually pretty tame if you don't have thin skin

/pol/ threads should be on /pol/
(Why is x country shit etc)

/int/ threads should be on /int/
(flag redesigns etc)

>>9282
>/x/
Don't remind me. I miss when we were one of the best boards during the SCP era before pewdiepie and the like got their grubby mits on the game
The best writefaggotry in the history of the goddamn site

>>10430
Whats wrong with that?

Do you take everything posted on it as 100% serious without any hints of humor or irony? Do you think any of it should be completely not allowed from being posted on the internet? Did you really need to provide a trip report to help others who may be triggered?

>>10315
if a set of rules are to be put into practice, they need to have specific parameters and lines drawn that outline exactly what is and isn't tolerated

see, in my experience, /pol/ shit ranges from rambling about niggers and jews to anything slightly right of center.

so tell me EXACTLY what needs to be kept out. define these rules.

>>844
I'm actually really upset that this board doesn't allow Holocaust Skepticism.

I'm not speaking from a /pol/ mindset, but from a genuine love of historical truth.

There is a tremendous amount of evidence suggesting that it was a far smaller event than we are led to believe and that most deaths were the result of famine and epidemic that wrecked havoc throughout continental Europe near the wars end.

Really sad that this can't be a discussion on this board.

>>10449
Making a thread about it is /pol/ yes,
but if you think that going into a thread about WW2 and stating an opinion about it shows that YOU are pushing an agenda to make /his/ a safe space.

You can say this shit on literally every board and I don't see why you want this one to be different

>>10449
>You're no worse then the SPOOKY SCARY SKELETONS that trigger you so badly.

Im getting pretty fucking sick of this comparison. Ive been a white nationalist for 15 years. Far longer than social justice has been around.

If anything, they are more like a bizarre kkk than a reverse white nationalist

>>10430
>jezebel link
>frogposter

those are two things this place can do without for sure

>>10430
The horror!

>>10591
>>10518
>>10494
/pol/ has a history of shitting up other boards, so I have no complaints if words like "dindu" or even "nigger" are ban on sight. There's a place for shitposting: That's /pol/. There's a place for good-faith discussion. That's what /pol/ ruins.

>>10697
>There's a place for good-faith discussion.
Which so far seems to mean "stuff that I agree with"

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>>10601
That'll never happen mah nig, cause people be hypocrites man

Better check em while you're at it

>>844
Being able to say nigger without getting b&

>>10697
>nigger
FUCK YOU.

Nigger has been around since the early age, one of the most famous threads is that thread with Eddy the Eagle saying "YOU BEST BE JOKING NIGGER"

Now you are pushing it and showing your a liberal.

>>10697
>/pol/ has a history of shitting up other boards

No shitlibs just get triggered by hearing opinions they don't like unless it's "le ironic racism XD"

>>10697
Okay, I'm totally in support of weeding out the /pol/ memes and even in support of weeding out racism; but I am absolutely against he banning of holocaust skepticism or other controversial historical discussions. That is what /r/history is for.

>>10656
I dont have any problem with alternate opinions if you've got verifiable fact, I do have a problem with blatant shitposting and...whats that word /pol loves to use? I think he used to pitch for the redsox...

>>10697
>literal trigger words

time to find a new site, friend.

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If you are going to ban people for racism, you should ban people for communism too.

Communism is argably worse than racism. One racist regime killed 20 million people in the XXth century, Nazi Germany, and their form of racism was very peculiar, it never found adherence anywhere else. Meanwhile several communists countries killed at least 2 times that number.

If you want a direct comparison, just look at Korea. North Korea is communist, South Korea is racist, where would you rather live?

Seriously, it is ridiculous that racism is considered less socially acceptable than communism, considering how it's so much milder and less dangerous.

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>>10755

>>10779
I'm actually okay with words like "nigger" or "dindu" being banned. But a discussion about Holocaust Skepticism being banned is 100% WRONG.

>>10697
I'm unsure if the word nigger should be banned on sight, it has a lot of history behind it and combing through copypasted quotes to remove the word would be annoying.

I am for the removal of any thread that is intentionally or potentially set up for circlejerking or otherwise unproductive discussion.

>>10822
>everyone who doesn't have a bibliography with their comment deserves a ban

When did these liberals get here?

>>10841
Fucking this

>>1163
This sounds like a most reasonable option for me.
Limiting the number of Jew / Nazi / general WWII-themed threads would stop stormweenies from shitting up the board entirely, but it wouldn't really stop anyone from voicing their opinions.

I'd really remove the
>blatant racism
part from the sticky though, quote any historical fact and there's a 50% chance someone will call you a racist / chauvinist / whatever else for it.

>>10886
no specific words should ever be outright banned

blatant racebaiting is a different matter, but calling nubians "niggers" is just good old fashioned board culture

>>10886
Still against the website if you want words that trigger you banned.

So many niggers complaining so as to be or not to be b& for saying nigger while saying nigger and not a single b&

I don't know what you niggers are complaining about ...

>>1976
can someone explain to me why you don't want IDs? what problems can IDs cause?

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>>10430
That image is like /pol/ making a duckface for the camera. Behold TRUE /POL/

>>11053
Still hardly anything someone with an open mind would get their panties in a twist over

>>11029
they subtract from the idea of anonymity. i wouldn't have an issue with ids here, but i can see why some people would. desu ids are only really necessary on boards that literally cannot function properly due to massive shitposting. it's too early to tell if this board needs them or not.

>>11120
Maybe if you're a bugcatcher and guro fetishist. 2/3 of those threads are complete trash, blatant shitposting, and more like /b/ than any other board on this site.

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>>1163
So sad it has to come to this. Fucking nazis.

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>>10841
>If you are going to ban people for racism, you should ban people for communism too.
What the fuck are you talking about?
One thing is a political and economical model of government while the other is a belief that some races are superior to others. You're comparing apples to oranges. North Korea is based on some sort of communism but it is also an extremely racist country.

Nothing prevents you from discussing the history of national socialism or communism here. What is not welcome is the fucking stormfront retardation and agenda-pushing attitude of /pol/ and/or turning an impartial historical discussion into a debate about which ideology is better, who lied and who should have won.

>>11154
>they subtract from the idea of anonymity.
Not very much though, since your ID is only tied to the thread. Considering this board will have lots of debate, it's perfect since it makes people accountable for what they say. If anything, it only really harms shitposters.

>>11305
You might as well said that one is the study of racial differences between humans and the other is the belief that some classes deserve to be slaughtered because reasons. In the end, the objective fact is that communism is worst than racism because communist countries are worst than racist countries, so the common rejection of racism in political discourse and the acceptance of communism is a clear case of double standards.

>>1575
>flags are kind of pointless and literally just bring shit over from /int/ and /pol/
Wise words right here.

Nice hugbox board. Is this where I come to avoid triggering words? :^)

>>11305
>What is not welcome
So happy you've already decided what's welcome on a board that didn't even exist up until a few hours ago.

>>11606
I just read the sticky.

To prove a point:
>>10337
>>10518
>>10755
>>11026
>>11120
>>(this post)
Samefag shitposting

Board culture has nothing to do with who mods ban and why but on what posts get replies and what posts don't.

4chan is like a free market site where the product you get on each board is based on supply and demand of those who visit. Unlike leddit which outright hides shit that is unacceptable.

Quit complaining about the rules and just get on talking about /his/tory and shit will work itself out.

Fucking niggers, I swear

Hey fellas, let's remember that this is late on a Saturday night on Halloween, so it's going to have a very different "feel" than what it will eventually become. Keep that in mind as you see /his/ develop in the coming days.

>>11572
You can stop shitposting if you only try.

Reminder we are not archived yet so all your deepest darkest secrets can be posted and there will be no etrail apart from the fbi clone server (that an intern dumps every three months anyway)

Isn't this the most liberating anonymity? Post your most depraved shit. Just fapped to my first loli throatfucking yesterday and thinking of renting one. Long-term, maybe have a relationship with this preteen I know.

>>11029
They remove attention from the arguments being made and turn it to the person making them. It might not seem like much of an issue, but discussions tend to be less about discussing and more about winning an argument if you are uniquely distinguished from everyone else.
I can see the point behind them (stopping samefagging and marking trolls) but there are ways to samefag even with IDs on, and trolls tend to become apparent from the tone of their posts anyway.
Also, there's the fact that most other boards seem to manage just fine without them on.

>>11994
>They remove attention from the arguments being made and turn it to the person making them. It might not seem like much of an issue, but discussions tend to be less about discussing and more about winning an argument if you are uniquely distinguished from everyone else.
Holy shit, this.
It's not like you can't spot blatant samefags without IDs anyway.

Can we have actual geneaology theads here? All I want is a Geneaology General without muh whiteness shoved in it.

>>12324
What would it be about?
People posting their family trees?

>>12392
Yeah this sounds like a horrible idea.

>>844
KICK /POL/ THE FUCK OUT. that's all this board needs.

>>12392
>>12434

Posting interesting facts or pictures of your more distant ancestors or relatives.

Receiving another set of eyes on a brick wall you've hit in your family history.

>>12392
secret royal bloodlines and shit
haha this controversial public figure of the month had a nigger for an ancestor! laugh at him
haha this controversial public figure of the month had a royal for an ancestor! call him based

I vote no. It's attentionwhoring on a clan scale.

>>12481
A how-to thread would be nice when I think about it, though I imagine the applicable methods are wildly different in every region.
Where I live, looking up parish records is pretty much your only chance if you want to go further than late XIXth / early XXth century.

Research metholodology threads would be really nice in general.

>>12455
Wow. Everyone seems really scared that /pol/ will dominate the board and spread the superiority of white history.

>>12730
Where do you live, I had to do a lot of research on how to find my German/Prussian and Irish Ancestors. Quebec was another thing that took adopting to.

>>12791
Hungary.

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>>10697
I'm a regular /pol/ack, and I have to fucking laugh at the paranoia of other boards.

/pol/ doesn't raid anymore. That shit got trite and boring. We don't have the numbers or dedication either. We're too busy sucking Trump's cock and laughing at emasculated men and social justice warriors on our own board. Just look at the fucking board catalog, where do you see calls for raids? We had the huelocaust which was spamming votes for a beauty pageant in brazil that introduced the one and only black participant in a german community beauty pageant. She wasn't even from that community. It was being vote brigaded on facebook by br feminists. Before /pol/, the nigress had 70% of all votes while the rest of the candidates barely had 1%. After /pol/ we managed to knock them down a peg to 48% of votes.

But that's fine, you wouldn't know any of this, because you probably never even visited /pol/, because the mere thought of nazi revisionism and HITLER WUZ RIGHT triggers you into denial, when in fact it's just board shitposting, and a few lost stormweenies thinking they have a captive audience. Not even stormfront fucking likes 4chan, yet alone /pol/.

But I'm not just a /pol/ack, I'm a crossboarder. I go to more liberal boards, and every fucking time someone says something against the status quo, they're immediately labeled as a /pol/tard. This is the most prevalent on /co/, which has a lot of cross website users from tumblr, who REALLY think that /pol/ is out to get them, when the vast majority of /pol/ couldn't even give a single shit about degenerate "blackwashed" capeshit.

Please continue fighting and being paranoid. Please beg for the deletion for of the board on /qa/ some more, it's funny how much you lefties are spooked by the mere thought of a board that has a right wing political leaning. Your paranoia is delicious.

>>1163
not bad, let's just try to cultivate a non-meme board culture here

>>12809
>>12068

Join

>>12935
Gay

>>1487
No.

>>1487
>Risk
Why not throw in quest threads as well while you're at it, it sure did a lot of good to /tg/.

>>12869
It's not about /pol/ raids it's about a single /pol/ bait post attracting other unrelated /pol/ posts and completely derailing a thread because /pol/ can't ignore /pol/ shit on other boards that aren't /pol/ because they're the easiest board to bait.

Also
>being proud about raids

>>12392
They already do that on /int/

BAN EVERYTHING EXCEPT LEFTIST VIEWS

Quite a shame how the rules turned out, to be honest.
>>/3384/
>/his/ is not /pol/, and Global Rule #3 is in effect. Do not try to treat this board as /pol/ with dates. Blatant racism and trolling will not be tolerated, and a high level of discourse is expected. History can be examined from many different conflicting viewpoints; please treat other posters with respect and address the content of their post instead of attacking their character.

I can already see the problems arising from this. But oh well, growing pains, right? At least I'm happy that we finally got /his/.

>>12869
holy shit this.

I'm very happy with the mythology, art, and Roman Emperors threads I just saw. It might be /lit/ levels of quality once the traffic dies down a bit.

>>7517
This desu. Might as well be fucking plebbit

>>7874
3.0
/pol/ is /int/ 2.0

>>8124
/his/choolers
Has already been decided tbqh

>>1163
No, it's Hiroshima Nagasaki.

>>12869
not even a /pol/ack but the anit-/pol/ shilling took up a notch after GG move to reddit.

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>>844

As long as the shitty elements of /int/,/pol/, and /lit/ (which is to say all of them) don't start to overtake this board, I think we're good.

Implement a /r9k/-style robot that filters words such as kike, juden, leftykek, /pol/fag, /pol/tard and such.

It's good this board to not to be overtaken by /pol/ but also good to avoid /leftypol/, revleft and other left-leaning places to take over this place.

>>14506
tis could work.

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>>14314
GG kicked up a storm everywhere, and people naturally looked to blame /pol/ since /pol/ instigated the idea that /v/ should donate to a feminist non-profit fundraiser to get women to make video games, to piss off the feminists saying GG was misogynistic.

Funny story about that, said organization was blacklisted by feminist communities because the director of that program wanted... get this, women to apply for the fundraiser to make their game. This of course was considered transphobic, and as a result, the organization was hacked and the director doxxed. That entire organization was libeled across most online liberal news outlets/blogposts.

/pol/ had a field day, until of course, the banning of GG threads on /v/ led to migration to /pol/ which was subsequently blacked out by moot for shitposting. This lasted a few weeks and what is today referred as /pol/-harbor.

GG was a cross website collaboration from the get-go, since unsurprisingly, most people use tumblr, reddit, and 4chan simultaneously. This of course was a useful fulcrum for people who hated GG to cause infighting, and it worked. Reddit's SRS had brigade posts on 4chan, and SomethingAwful had threads that were dedicated to shitposting in 4chan's GG /v/ threads. SA got bored of GG, and some of their mods also actively wanted to ban the topic.

But this is all old history now. The after-effects still linger across the whole website. The mod IRC leaks prompted moot to ask for government identification after he purged some of the mods that were neutral-sympathetic to GG, and the fact that he was friends with a gawker intern that attended something called "Hallowmemes" with an old 4chan mod was exposed. Attached is said intern with Gingermod.

REMINDER: report all /pol/ tier shit-posting threads and comments

>>15120
Yes, help us make this board into yet another leftist hugbox echo chamber devoid of any kind of race realism!

>>7079
this. flags will turn this place into another /int/ or /pol/

>>15602
/pol/ is where you want to be if you want 50 threads on why the Holocaust never happened, why Rhodesia's end is the single greatest tragedy in history, and why all blacks everywhere are worthless subhumans that were playing with sticks pre-Contact friend

>>15602
>hugbox
fuck off

>>15668
Yeah? And what about subjects like ancient history and revisionism?

These are banned and bannable.

This board is yet another example of how the cancer of goodthink marches ever onward.

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>implying this should be the place to discuss humanities rather than /lit/
Did you the mods/gook rub their two braincells not together and realise that this doesn't work in a board full of people wanting to discuss vikings and pirates or who want epic /int/-tier bantz?

what we need is a /safe/ board where use of "trigger" words results in an immediate and permanent ban from /safe/. that way, all these fucking pussies can discuss whatever they want without having to stifle historical discussion.

we could probably use the robot on this board.

>>1163
I think 10 is too many. 6/7 would be enough to cover it or it would basically become a WWII board. 13 threads on one period is WAY too much.

>>15668
itt people who've never been to /pol/

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>please treat other posters with respect and address the content of their post instead of attacking their character.

Oh man, this shit is going to fall apart fast.

1) IDs can help with discussion and preventing morons from trying to samefag up blatant troll threads once they notice they're not getting enough replies but for the love of god DON'T BRING IN FLAGS.

2) Maintain high levels of moderation. I appreciate the efforts put in so far but there are still way too many posts about anything post-1919 that insist any sort of mainstream source equates to jewish saurian revisionism. Personally I don't have anything against those posts existing in vacuum ( I don't even respond ) but they invite morons to get tangled up in nonsensical discussion that leads nowhere. People are literally too stupid to ignore

3) GET RID OF TEMPLATE THREADS, OR CONTAIN THEM. It's not gonna be long til ruggarel or whoever catches onto "why did byzantium fail" or "egyptians were afrikain lords, we president now whiteboi" or "liberals will defend this" and drowns the board in garbage

>>16330
A war that spanned the globe and involved so many different countries could easily take up a whole board. I think you're going to end up with 13 anyways if you try to cut it to 6/7.

1. Require thread OPs to be at least 10 words long.

2. IDs to prevent samefagging

3. No flags ever

4. Limit the number of generals allowed

There I fixed everything.

So much history discussion. Is there anything specific with regards to the religion part of this board? Honestly I wish we could get our own board, but this will do, so long as we all understand the rules regarding religious discussion.

No ideological bans. If someone's posting blatant misinfo ala holocaust denial or flamebait about how Africa has no culture (or, for that matter, Mozart was black - idiocy isn't from only one ideology) I understand the urge to delete it, but I'd rather just have informed users BTFO the people arguing.

Is it just me or is /his/..actually going quite well so far?

I had a hunch that the majority of the kinds of posters attracted to this board wouldn't be that interested in /pol/ b8, and fingers crossed, so far it seems to kind of be the case. Lots of silly b8 threads and nonsense topics, but the general tone of the board reminds me of /lit/, but less pretentious.

Historians/history fans generally are some of the most pedantic people who are more interested in the truth and the nitty gritty details than the flair of an argument or making a grand point.

So yeah as a start it could've gone much worse. But we'll see.

Can we make it a rule, or at least board culture that if you are going to talk about religion it needs to be in a historical and academic concept.

There's already a ton of ugly posts coming up trying to sort historical happenings into heretic and one-true-faith

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Ya gotta police this bitch hard yo.
I don't want anyone to breath too loud as it could disturb my nuanced recollection of the past. Fascist librarian mode go!

I think we should allow /pol/tards if they're here for actual discussion, even if they're posting racist things. BTFO them with facts and evidence. Rules from unelected rulers are shit on the internet, just like in real life.

Also no flags unless we want this to become a shitposting board, and we already have /int/ for that.

>>18309
This is the first night, and no shitposters are going to be awake at this time of night on Halloween. Give it a week before things actually reflect how /his/ is going to be for the next year.

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>>19550
>trying to reason /pol/

Already you guys are part of the problem messing this board up, so listen, stop talking about /pol/. If there's cancer, there's cancer, and you report and ignore it. Simple as that. Discuss history on the history board. It's easy to tell what's blatant /pol/ shitposting, and you don't have to scream "back to /pol/" every time you see it, it's just as fucking bad. Keep threads on topic. You'd think this wouldn't be fucking difficult but it's already showing up in decent threads. Just stop talking about /pol/. Regardless of why, just fucking stop, you're clouding up content. Report cancer. Cancer is cancer.

>>1239
It was bound to happen,

Criticism of Jews or Israel should be a bannable offense.

>>1976
Why the fuck does anyone want ID's on any board?

Seriously fuck right off with that bullshit, they were always a terrible fucking idea. I think the only board that needs them is /biz/

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>>8191
>Being flippant, sarcastic and standoffish is basically how modern 4chan operates

I miss pre-irony saturation 4chan

>>8495
To be honest with you family, holocaust discussion should really just be limited to like a general or something.

If we don't limit it, it's just going to take over the whole board.

Let's ban shit like
>>17505
>>18305
>>18672
>>19059
Which is obviously /pol/ shitposting. I don't want to see every thread become a European circlejerk because of blatant shitposting about things that aren't even on topic.

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>>20484
>I don't want to see every thread become a European circlejerk
>Most of the greatest things in History are in the continent of Europe
You should probably fuck off back to your hugbox m8

>>12869
This so much, this board was pretty much requested for a long fucking time on /pol/, of fucking course posters from /pol/ are going to come over.

Now, I don't want this board to just become a WWII and Holocaust board, but shit like deleting that thread about the living conditions in Rhodesia vs Zimbabwe and South Africa is just fucking retarded.

Stormfront hasn't even been on /pol/ in a long fucking time, everyone hated those faggots. JIDF shitposting is practically non-existent.

>>20536
>Gets triggered by the idea that someone wants to discuss history he doesn't like on a history board
>Tells the other person to go back to a hugbox
Fuck off.

>>20536
Why the fuck do I need to talk about Europe every time I get on here? Why can't I talk and discuss history about Africa, South America and the middle east? Why does every thread about these topics have divulge into /pol/ shitposting? Why don't you go back to your hug boxes that are /int/ and /pol/?

>>20610
Nobody is forcing you to do anything.

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>>20610
>ban other people because they supposedly want hugboxes on this board
>then /his/ will ultimately becomes a hugbox

Only thing I have seen here are people accusing others of /pol/ faggotry every five posts.

>>20664
No one is forcing you to defend this blatant Ryle breaking. Honestly why the fuck is it so difficult just to not post bait and have a civilized discussion without the constant western dick waving contests you people have?

>>20743
I literally just responded to you. I didn't post anything else in this thread

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>>20386
To be honest, people should just discuss it on /pol/

>>20567
>deleting that thread about the living conditions in Rhodesia vs Zimbabwe and South Africa is just fucking retarded
Don't know what thread that was but it is fucking retarded to delete stuff just because they could start racist discussion.
I'm with with deleting actual racism but only if it's actually there. All mods are doing is deleting things which might offend a black lives matter activist

"This general was bad because he was black" is racist
"This general was bad because he came from a poor country with poor education" isn't
"Blacks lived like shit" isn't
"Blacks didn't invent almost anything of note" isn't

Really, these mods shouldn't moderate this board if this is how they're going to behave

>>20737
>have a thread about Europe history
>stays somewhat calm and civilized

>have a thread about the middle east
>civilized until
>YOU SJWS SURE ARE SCARED TO DISCUSS THE REAL PROBLEM WHICH IS ISLAM BTW!!!!!!!
>bait and shitposting ensues
Don't even try to defend it

>>20610
>why don't you talk about things I like? this is an hugbox!

>>20651
>>20501
>>20151
>>20838
Defend these blatant /pol/ tier>>20484
shitposts

>>10664
Uh, congrats on being part of a cult for 15 years?

Did you get a rank? maybe a metal or a merit badge for shitposting a "thanks" on a bound for glory album?

You say that like it's something to be proud of or brag about. You're just a shitposting fruit.

>>20912
This board went to shit rather quickly, perhaps over time they will scream themselves out and actual people with an interest in "history and humanity" can have a rational discussion without some retard with a bullhorn, an agenda, and too much fucking time on their hands to be internet warriors.

I've been on this dopey site forever, and this is the first time I'm actually rooting for the hotpockets.

>>21060
Can we ban posts like this?

>>20912
Both sides should go to /pol/ since that's mostly modern day talk

>>844
This containment thread turned out to work pretty well
I only see very limited shitpost outside of it.

>>21212
Because he doesn't like islam? No

>>21299
How about the fact that he's off topic and talking about something less than 25 years old while using /pol/ memes?

>>21113

Rules will destroy this board far worse than a bunch of /pol/ and /int/ shitposters. Having rules strictly enforced and banning touchy topics/opinions will kill quality. We need some banter, otherwise the discussion gets boring.

What needs to die is yelling at everyone you disagree with, "gooooobacktooo>>>/pol/". This has already shit up several boards on here like /lit/, /tv/, and /k/

>>21359
Yes, but that also pertains to the people he's responding to

I really hope this doesn't become /pol/ with dates. Words like "niggers", "sandniggers", and "kikes" should be filtered, not because they are offensive, but for quality of posting.

>>21409
As long as rules are enforced so be it

>>7155
He doesn't want him to start because there's always 5 fucking threads about it. We don't even need to talk about it at this point because people just use it as a window to go 'THE JEWS ARE LYING EVERYTHING IS A CONSPIRACY' and then the thread goes to shit. It's happened in every Holocaust thread so far. People don't raise these questions because they're curious, they ask them to get shit started.

>>21372
>banter
Go to fucking /int/ for that this is a board about history not tongue in cheek shitposting if anything /sp/ style of moderation should be emulated

>>8944
Most boards on this site are shit because people are used to being able to shitpost and get away with it. They spout the same memes and the same shit threads everyday thinking every time they post it again it's just as funny as the last time. /his/ will be shit if there isn't a higher expectation put on posters here.

>>21372
In general I dislike rules, (maaaaaaaaaaan) but this board should have some guidelines to keep it from becoming complete shit because I'd like to hear some of 4chans opinions and knowledge of histo-
Too late. The meme spewers are here.

>>21372
Bringing up jews and sjws in every discussion is pretty annoying though

>>21417
They shouldn't be filtered, they just shouldn't be used
If one wants to use nigger then so be it, if people find the thread so uninteresting that they'd rather drown him in replies so be it

>>21490
>we want the /sp/ moderation senpai
Are you srs? Kek

>>21687
Go to /sp/ and see how much off topic shitposting there is.

Ignore anti-/pol/ shit stirrers, they are in a minority trying to set a false narrative.

>>21603
A solution to wordfiltering could be just blank posting it. That way the meme-spewers would actually have to think to get people to know what they were trying to say.

It's not banning "trigger" words, its forcing posters to articulate themselves beyond memes.

>>21747
>board where hotpockets came from
>hated the mods so much shitposting dominated discussion for weeks
>JUST

>>21936
Shitposters will always be shitposters

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>>21936
You're forgetting the glorious end of shitposting in the history of that board

Generals will be useful, and I think necessary.

A topic will be worthy of a general if it regularly generates enough discussion to fill up its own thread. If a topic doesn't, it can be lumped into related topics to a combined general. If that isn't possible, no general at all.

For example:

Scenario 1: There are several threads active at any one time about strategy and tactics in WWII. There are several threads active on politics and diplomacy surrounding WWII. We would have a WWII combat general, and a WWII politics general.

Scenario 2: There are regular threads about WWII strategy and tactics, and regular threads about WWII politics and diplomacy, but not more than would fit into one thread combined. A WWII general thread is created. However, we have several threads at any one time about how many testicles Hitler had, so we have a Hitler's Testicles General, despite it being related to WWII.

Scenario 3: Everyone forgets about WWII, and we only see a few threads a day about anything related to it - people would rather talk about how many testicles Kaiser Wilhelm had. There is no WWII general of any kind.

Obviously moderation of this would be fluid, if a general is created and people sage and report the thread/don't participate in it enough to keep it alive, then the general dies.

>>22157
Generals are completely unnecessary. They only take away space and otherwise serve as hang-out spaces for tripfags since after a certain point discussion dies, the thread derails and the end result is fags discussing their personal lives.

If someone wants to discuss a certain topic he should start a thread about it and let the thread die after discussion is done.