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Thoughts on this guy? Was he a good leader? Would he have won

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Thoughts on this guy? Was he a good leader? Would he have won the war if he hadn't invaded Russia? Would he have taken over Europe? Did he even want to take over Europe, or only to defend Germany?
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Economically it could be debated that he was a good leader.
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>>57439

Who is spamming these shit WWII threads? I'm not against the discussion of WWII, just against this garbage that's been repeated on /pol/ and /int/ a million times.
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No, Hitler would have still lost. The UK had a superior navy and won the Battle of Britain before Hitler even invaded the USSR. The British could have embargoed and blockaded Germany and Italy and just waited until the two countries collapsed or agreed to return to pre-war borders. There was nothing Hitler and Mussolini could have done to defeat the UK.
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He united a nation like no other man ever could
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>>57439
Good corporal, lousy painter, attracted all the strong-minded women and weak-minded men of his time and place
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>>57483
taking loans from everywhere and crashing a country even more isn't a good economicall leadership.

reich was already crashing by 1938, if it wasn't for amazing propaganda and war, they would have lynched Hitler.
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>>57439
Ethnically cleansed his lands, employed his people, increased wages, became a world power, founded perfect ideology, oppose the most powerful groups in the world etc..
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>>57565
>Genghis Khan

Also, his approval ratings were not particularly high.
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>>57562
If the UK forced Germany to agree to pre-war borders that would be more of a tie than a German loss, no?
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>>57483
taking out a tremendous amount of high interest loans to build up your nation's military then looting literally everything in sight to keep it running is not a sound economic policy
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>>57571
my understanding of Germany's economic history is that Hitler introduced the Labor Treasury Certificates to help recover from the massive post-WW1 inflation

also, taking loans from everywhere? I thought international bankers were refusing to loan to Germany well before 1938
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>>57439
Ahead of his time, without a doubt. It's arrogant to think we've reached the pinnacle of evolution as a species, if we want to continue technological progression we will at some point need to make the choices Hitler tried to make for us.
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>>57615
Would have been a loss for Germany. First of all, they would have been humiliated, they also would have lost a lot of people, their economy would have been devastated, and they accomplished absolutely nothing.
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>>57439
There's only one scenario where Germany winds up on the winning side.

That's if they don't invade Poland and France. Stalin starts the war and we wind up allying with them instead.

>ALLY WITH HITLER, YOU SAY? PREPOSTEROUS!

Bitch nigga, we allied with Stalin and he was worse by any metric, though this isn't meant to minimalist the awfulness of Hitler's regime.. Germany just attacked the western powers first.
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>>57668
What choices?
>>57671
But the UK started the war, Germany didn't. It would have been German victory more than anything.
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>>57717
You have got to be fucking kidding me.
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>>57717
Germany declared war on Poland which Britain was guaranteeing. Germany had no obligation to declare war on Poland and they knew exactly what they were getting in to.

Not to mention it would have been Germany begging to have peace anyways.
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one redpill that pol cant handle is that Hitler wished for a one world government. basically he wanted to implement the full UN agenda charter for agenda 21 in 10 years time!
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>>57746
>>57797
Are you guys Jewish? Because you are completely wrong.
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Who cares? Holohoax never happened anyway.
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I believe he wanted to make the Slavs into German slaves. Slavs are too fucking hard for that shit, so they buried him in corpses until he suffocated.
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>>57827
Honestly you are an idiot here is the evidence of Hitler declaring war on Poland:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kCLArCbig9I
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>>57842
this is a board for the discussion of historical events not the denial of them fuck off back to /pol/
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>>55555#
no
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>>57439
Horrible leader, horrible pure evil individual. What else is there to discuss?
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>>57842
Whether or not the holocaust happened does not negate the OP post.
>>57878
Positing that a given event did not occur is discussion of said event.
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>>57668
Randomly murder people due to your own bigotry and psychosis?
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>>57925
Baseless and retarded denials has no place in historical discussions.
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>>57842
>deny historical fact on a history board
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Regarding World War II, what I don't understand is how Poland was also invaded by Russia, but France and Britain had no problem with that part of the events unfolding. Russia was quietly (if you count the fighting in Finland as "quiet") expanding and building ups it's military in a manor that would startle me if I was a leader at the time, but there wasn't any action taken in light of this on their part. Why Ally with Russia, who was just as, if not more guilty? Was the anti-german sentiment from the first world war that strong that it could over shadow a slightly more distant threat so easily?
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>>57980
"Facts" are proven. Evidence does not constitute proof.
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>>57439
>Was he a good leader?
Nope. Totally incompetent.
>Would he have won the war if he hadn't invaded Russia?
If he had strictly listened to certain of his advisers, and killed certain others, and revived the Nazi nuclear program too, maybe.
>Would he have taken over Europe?
Probably not.
>Did he even want to take over Europe, or only to defend Germany?
He wanted to belong in German high society. He did that by getting elected and making as many "people" happy as he could. If so many Germans hadn't wanted to "win the war, despite the Jews" he never would have gone through with most of the awful things he allowed to happen, including even the war.
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>>57981
How does me being an SJW somehow invalidate my post or points? That isn't how debate works, please try again.
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>>57439
>Thoughts on this guy?

zeitgeist of post ww1

Was he a good leader?

obviously if he roused a nation in such a way. That being said they did have plenty to complain about it it wasn't that hard to rally around it. I don't really buy into the whole 'ohhh occult hypnotic speeches huuu'


Would he have won the war if he hadn't invaded Russia?

Russia would have invaded him eventually. And no.

Would he have taken over Europe?

No. Made Germany much larger, and maybe arrange appropriate puppet reigms favorable to him but no, not the whole shebang.

Did he even want to take over Europe, or only to defend Germany?

I'd think in his mind both of your statements would be the same goal. >>57924
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>>57981
It is not an opinion. The Holocaust is factual. There isn't some sort of "balance" where we have to weigh every claim equally. Some claims are simply more valid than others and claiming the Holocaust never happened, as well as the Cambodian Genocide, the Rwanda Genocide, the Holodomor, and a whole bunch of other genocides are simply claims that are worth less than others. There is no reason to take them seriously in any context.
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>>58002
Holocaust was proven, sorry. It may suck that history doesn't paint your specific political iedology as great, but history just is.
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>>58016
How does me pointing out that you are an SJW somehow suggest that I meant to invalidate your post or points (or lack thereof)? Because you feel defensive and get triggered whenever someone calls attention to you being an SJW, therefore meaning that any time you feel threatened, it automatically means that someone is attempting to invalude your arguments? That isn't how debate works, please try again.
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>>58002
They are synonymous
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Eugenics is basically communism applied to evolution. Communists think a central control of commerce will work, while scientific racists think central control of evolutionary selection will work. In reality, it gets you weak and stupid animals that must be looked after, and cared for like little puppies or kitties. Humans trying to domesticate humans.
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>>58067
Anon, you seem to be trying to make some sort of smokescreen to your fallacy. This isn't /pol/, please explain why pointing out Hitler was a bigot who wanted to commit genocide (which is objectively negative in society) is incorrect. Saying I am some boogeyman you dislike works on /pol/, not here.
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>>57950
>Random
>This is what 8th graders actually believe
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>another /pol/ pro-hitler thread
Hiro, please end the suffering of this board.
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>>58042
The fact that jews were put in concentration camps is fact. The official story of the holocaust has evidence both for and against it. Therefore, neither side can be considered undisputed fact at this time.
>>58047
History just is, history books are not.
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>>57668
B8/10
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>>58078
>evidence=proof
Wait until /sci/ hears you say that.
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>>58124
>Therefore, neither side can be considered undisputed fact at this time.
Holocaust is considered indisputed fact and most people here are going to treat your as a nutcase for saying otherwise.
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>>57878
Fuck off back to /r/askhistorians, you can jerk each other off about how the holodomor never happened while banning anyone who suggests it was 5.9 million jews that died.
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>>57439
>Was he a good leader?
His people seemed to think so
>Would he have won the war if he hadn't invaded Russia?
No, he had no long range bombers, he had no way to counter the Royal Navy, he didn't listen to his generals because he had an ego problem

>Would he have taken over Europe?
Not for long, not without collaborators

>Did he even want to take over Europe, or only to defend Germany?
Ever read Mein Kampf? He wanted to take over Europe.
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>>58097
I said that you are an SJW. I did not say whether what you said is correct or incorrect.
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>>58002
The Holohoax is never going to be proven because of how much money it generates. If Jews come out and say the Holocaust never happened, then they wouldn't get all this money.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reparations_Agreement_between_Israel_and_West_Germany
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>>57439
Fascist dictators tend to make shit leaders
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>>57648
>massive post-WW1 inflation

Actually, that was under control in the 20's, well before the NSDAP got elected into the Reichstag
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>>58151
There is more dissenting opinion on the holocaust than nearly any other historical topic, despite the social stigma and legal issues associated with debating it, which are just more evidence of something being amiss.
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>>58188

well I'm convinced guess it was a big scam after all thankfully you uncovered this deep and dark secret
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>>58133
>Ahead of his time
>Claims bait
You do realize Germany built the first stealth bomber about 40 years before anyone made another? The US didn't catch up to their rocket program until 1959.
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>>58242

It was awful nice of Germany to lose so we could absorb all of their scientists post-war
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>>58238
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>>57439
He's fantastic at rallying a country to work towards a single cause. He's shit at everything else.
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>>57483
Nationalizing = bad
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>>58309
If he had listened to his generals he would have won.
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>>58346
No. There's no way in hell he could have scuffed up the allies' shoe polish. Unless he miraculously started shitting out nukes and bombing everything
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>>57565
>tfw when at the end all he ever caused was to get germany split in two until 1989
>tfw no face
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>>58157
Sup methnigger. I see you found your way here.
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>>58346
There is no scenario where Germany wins, if they held out until 46 or 47 or whatever, they just would have gotten nuked into submission. If they developed their own nukes, they still would have been nuked because sacrificing the US would have been worth it to stop Germany to the people who made that decision.
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>>58242
So you think the allies weren't superior in other areas of tech?
Did you think they sat on their ass the entire war and not develop any innovations?
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>>58468
>sacrificing the US

The Germans didn't have a delivery system for nukes.

They had no long range bomber. They had no aircraft carrier.
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>>58468
If they had more time, the technologies that they were currently working on, which were way ahead of the Allies technology, would have been mass-produced, and they could have easily won.
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>>58224
That is completely false, inflation was blamed on the Nazis; when in fact the bank was private and Rothschild controlled.
He then changed the currency and got the country back on its feet
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>>58557
Most if not all German tech that could change the war at the time was way ahead of the US. If they had held out longer then they would've easily one.
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>>57602
>what is Times man of the year
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>>57439
Good Leader: At first.

Won war if hadn't invaded Russia: No.

Taken over Europe: Basically did.

He wanted the world really. A Fascist State has to be in basically perpetual war to exist or dominate all on the planet.
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>>58557
Forgot source.
http://www.wanttoknow.info/war/4610_secret_nazi_war_technology
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>>57681
>Germany just attacked the western powers first.
Churchill declared his intent to crush Germany in 1937. The Anglo-French declaration of war was always going to happen.
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>>57816
>one redpill that pol cant handle is that Hitler wished for a one world government. basically he wanted to implement the full UN agenda charter for agenda 21 in 10 years time!
Holy fucking kek you're retarded.
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>>57956
Baseless and retarded denials has no place in historical discussions.
>Baseless
>retarded
Well, he's fine to continue then.
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>>58659

Explain to me in what way I am incorrect.
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>>58725
>Hitler wanted to conquer the world
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>>58725
Hitler didn't want anything to do with the US, and he wanted to ally with Britain.
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>>58622
>inflation was blamed on the Nazis

No it wasn't.

>got the country back on its feet

You're confusing the hyperinflation of the mid-20's with the great Depression of the early 30's. They were two different events, and Germany had recovered from the hyperinflation by the time the stock market crashed in 1929.
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>>57956
I have one question, is it baseless to ask that why has the number at Auswitz been reduced from 4 million, to 1.2 million, and Majanik to be reduced from 2 million to ~200,000 and yet there still be a total of 6,000,000/11,000,000 dead?
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>>58770
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You have to consider the capabilities in terms of individual weapons as compared to your ability to produce them. The Übermensch weapon is shit if your opponent has 10:1 roughly as solid weapons. Also, Germany partially failed for Britain's ability at intelligence-gathering and manipulation, and the American's ownership of artillery tech and combine arms. But mostly pure Russian determination crushed Germany. General Winter is more than just climate, but something in the Slav soul.
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>>58628
>if they could have held out, they would have won

Sure, they had massive advances in those mentioned areas, but there was no fucking way these advances would have helped them not get fucked by all sides by the allies.
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>>58641
>A Fascist State has to be in basically perpetual war to exist or dominate all on the planet.
[citation needed]
...and not talking about your opinion.
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>>58770

Yeah but the UK was already bro their anglosphere lads in the US. Not to mention Churchill wanted to break Germany into 1000 pieces.
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>>58813
They were about 10 years ahead of everyone else in pretty much every single field. Hitler was a great man, but some of his decisions that he made were pretty poor. Like I said before, if he had listened to his generals he could have easily won. If they had held out longer then they would have started to mass produce all of this technology, and they could have easily fucked over everyone.
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>>58861
Churchhill was a asshole.
After the surrender of France in 1940 Winston Churchill refused to entertain the idea of a negotiated peace with Germany. The following quote shows his hatred not only of Germans but also of the catholic church -
"You must understand that this war is not against Hitler or national socialism, but against the strength of the German people, which is to be smashed once and for all, regardless of whether it is in the hands of Hitler or a Jesuit priest".
Source - Winston Churchill His Career In War and Peace by Emrys Hughes page 145
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>>57545
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>>58915

You're really underestimating the "edge" that would have given them. Germany would still be outproduced, out-manned and outgunned by the allied armies.

Also don't start with "If X went differently, then Germany would have won".
We know that in hindsight now.
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>>58818
Robert Paxton, a professor emeritus at Columbia University, defines fascism in his book The Anatomy of Fascism as:

A form of political behavior marked by obsessive preoccupation with community decline, humiliation or victimhood and by compensatory cults of unity, energy and purity, in which a mass-based party of committed nationalist militants, working in uneasy but effective collaboration with traditional elites, abandons democratic liberties and pursues with redemptive violence and without ethical or legal restraints goals of internal cleansing and external expansion.

It basically needs a villain to rally against, whether internal or external.
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>>58622
>/pol/ education
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>>59087
Quality over quantity. If they had started getting Japan, Italy, and Germany to start producing these it pretty much would have been over for the allies
Also
>Underestimating the "edge" that would have given them
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>>59144
>Common knowledge supported by facts
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>>59182
>facts

Incorrect facts, it would seem
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>>58915
I doubt this easily won statement. Russia was going to attack eventually. Stalin was not going to sit by when there was territory to be had. D-Day was inevitable. When the allies attack, whether Russia was an official ally or not, they would become one because the Germans would have needed to defend France and would be weaker in the east. Russia would have seized the opportunity.
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How could anyone say he was a good leader when he lead them to certain defeat? It was basically them against the world, that doesn't some like good leadership.
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>>59240
Kek, you forgot their great allies, Italy. That's even worse than if they faced the whole world on their own.
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>>59240
He was at first, then crazy town, us verse the world, devastation. You're right he ended up being one of the worst leaders in history.
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>>57950
>bigotry
What the fuck?! Is this 4chan or a tumblr?
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>>59177
>Overestimating
It's monday morning.

>>59177
>Quality over quantity
"Quantity is a quality of it own".
The procurement of 1000 rocket trucks have more of a say on the strategic level than 10 V2 rockets.


>If they had started getting Japan, Italy, and Germany to start producing these it pretty much would have been over for the allies
>If
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>>59317
What else was it?

He was mentally ill
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>>59199
http://zioncrimefactory.com/2013/12/05/the-nazis-gave-rothschild-bankers-the-boot/

http://www.webofdebt.com/articles/bankrupt-germany.php
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>>57717

>But the UK started the war

This meme belongs on /pol/
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>>59317
Are you going to deny his hate of Slavs and jews?
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>>59345
>zioncrimefactory.com
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>>59345
>zioncrimefactory
>webofdebt
Lmao
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>>59339
They could have easily leveled out quite a few rocket trucks with 1 V2, while it would take quite a few Allied rocket trucks to take out V2 facilities/launch sites
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>>59317
Hitler was a bigot. Own that shit or gtfo.
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>>57717
WHAT, UK starts war? Where do you get this nonsense? Please read a book. Look at just a timeline of events, tell me then who started the war.
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>>59358
I can hate a rapist or a thief. Does not make me a bigot.
This board is starting to sound a lot like high school and college students.
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>>59367
I like how you don't even read it even though it has a plethora of official sources proving my point.
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>>59387
Are we really doing this?
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>>59345

If you would care to peruse this.

>1923

The NSDAP didn't get a fucking elected plurality until 1933. Actually, the currency started to stabilize very shortly after the Beer Hall Putsch.

I'm not going to read your skinhead links. I want you to explain to me how the Jews blamed the Nazis for something that happened 10 years before the Nazis were in government.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperinflation_in_the_Weimar_Republic#Stabilization
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>>59399
>stfu you dumb SJW!
>he was like cool and stuff
>I'm 1/512 German and true Übermensch
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>>57562
Exactly, the German Navy was a joke aside from their U-boats. The British and their allies had extensive resources to build bigger and better navies. By the closing of the war Germany and Japan didn't have enough funds to maintain anything. If Japan and Germany had focused on building more aircraft carriers instead of useless battleships, they would have had somewhat of a chance.
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>>59387
Air Superiority. If they had Jets as well, then maybe the V2 survives. For a while.
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>>59410
Then you /pol/tards are kindergarteners.

Are you denying the executions of civilians, the deportations, the kidnapping of children, murder, burning villages, looting - all of the crimes against the "Untermench" Slavic population of Central and Eastern Europe? Oh no, we're all rapists and thiefs according to you, so our grandparents deserved it...
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>>59410

I think hating someone based on something they have no control over is a bit different.
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>>59433
Nice ironic shitposting friend :^)
I myself am a commie-capitalist-anarchist
Sounds like you're one too. Here have my upvote xD
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>>59415
You know what, its late, and im tired, so I guess we wont, so farewell.
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>>59410
So where do Slavs fit into your rapist/thief business? Seriously, dude. If you're a bigot, just own that shit. What you're doing is embarrassing.
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>>59400
After the surrender of France in 1940 Winston Churchill refused to entertain the idea of a negotiated peace with Germany. The following quote shows his hatred not only of Germans but also of the catholic church -
"You must understand that this war is not against Hitler or national socialism, but against the strength of the German people, which is to be smashed once and for all, regardless of whether it is in the hands of Hitler or a Jesuit priest".
Source - Winston Churchill His Career In War and Peace by Emrys Hughes page 145
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>>59471
Jesus was a Jew
Friedman was a Jew
Thomas Sowell is Black
I still respect them, more than many "Aryan Übermensch"
And so did Hitler. He had Bengali, Japanese, Turkish and African alliances.
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>>59410
>This board is starting to sound a lot like high school and college students.

Hello, I hope you've been enjoying your first day on 4chan.
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>>59317
Its a board for history fans, not genocidal fan boys who flame recklessly. I have a feeling you would be saying holy fuck and run from the draft if Hitler were alive today. If in Germany, you'd probably defect or be shot for treason.
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>>59560

Fun fact, Hitler was a draft dodger.

That's why he left Austria for Germany.

He did eventually enlist in the German army, but he'll still always be a draft dodger.
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>>58140
The only reason evidence wouldn't lead to proof is that scientific evidence is limited in scope to the circumstances of a specific experiment or study.
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>>59091
Still nothing there about a "state of perpetual war".
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>>57439
Good leader.
He brought Germany out the the depression to be a world leaders even after fighting a disastrous war in which they had to pay for themselves and ($442 billion US today) for the allies in the treaty of Versailles.

His idea's of crushing communist we very noble, it is unfortunate that he had to fighting the allies as he was reunifying pre-WW1's Germany.

He also got rid of the international banks and printed their own money.

If he had of deported the Jews he would have been 9/10. (and yes, I know they wanted to but couldn't at the time)
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>>59513
So why was Heidegger basically forced to clear the Jews out of his university? Regardless of merit. Hitler was a shit leader if he held meritocracy as a priority.
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>>59499
Again, WHAT? When did the war start? What year? What triggers the French and the British to declare war on Germany. What did the Germans do? You are a few years down the road with your quote.
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>>59560
History is not necessary the good guy winning and evil losing. History is what most people agree upon. So if you want to find true history, you might want to realize it can be offensive.
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One of the biggest problems with Hitler was his strong belief in censorship. He had books literally burned.
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>>59696
Where I come from, we agree that if Germany had won, part of our population would be assimilated, part enslaved and part killed off. That's true history.
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>>58657
But it didn't and He did invade France and Poland despite a warning. You're also forgetting that Churchill wasn't Prime Minister until 1940 and he wasn't the one who declared war. England backed up it's threat. Deal with it, Stormnigger.
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>>59596
The basis of fascism's support of violent action in politics is connected to social Darwinism. Fascist movements have commonly held social Darwinist views of nations, races, and societies. They say that nations and races must purge themselves of socially and biologically weak or degenerate people, while simultaneously promoting the creation of strong people, in order to survive in a world defined by perpetual national and racial conflict.

Griffin, Roger (ed.). Fascism. Oxford University Press, 1995. p. 59
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>>59658
>This war isn't about Hitler or National Socialism
>War is against the spirit of the German people
>Wouldn't care if it was Hitler or a Priest leading Germany
Pretty sure he just wanted to crush their spirits.
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>>58950
Considering that they started the last three major European wars, that's not being an asshole, that's being prescient.
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>>59803
Thats a blatant fucking lie
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>>59725
And Germany lost. How's that working out for you. Are you happy with your Jew influenced governments, banks and media? Oh wait, I know. You're happy about the cultural diversity about to come through.

Germany lost WW2 and so did the rest of the Anglo world. Only thing that won was the egos of allies' leaders
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Only if France and Great Britain miraculously had let Hitler go on with taking Poland and perhaps even allied in the battle against communism vs Stalin there may have been hope of victory. Hitler liked Britain anyway and relations between France and Germany had been eased during the interbellum.
An alliance between GB, France and Germany against the Soviets , with no destruction of Europe would have seen the lebensraum policy of Hitler realized and kept Europe the central power in the world.
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>>59803
WW1
>Serb part of a secret society assassinates Archduke and his wife
German Revolution
>Jews
WW2
>Churchhill was a asshole
Both world wars were predicted and set up by Albert Pike with the rest of the people that control the world
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>>59696
History is usually the Good Guy winning because the victors right the books typically. They become the good guy. Then time passes and people start to uncover the truth. The world is governed by 2 things. What a man can do, and what a man can't do. I am offended by nothing. I just get annoyed when some one argues against obvious things for the sake of self perceived enlightenment. Hitler was the very definition of a bigot. He was what is defined. He was what people think he was.
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>>59891
Europe has always had foreign policy based on a tedious balances of power. Letting Hitler claim what he wanted would be completely out of line, and throw everything out of whack. There was no chance of that flying, anymore the contemporary nations will just let other nations conquer at will.
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>>59925
Loving your people and wanting to preserve your race, is not called bigotry. It's called human evolution and survival instinct.
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>>58279
>no replies
;^)
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>>59919
I looked at up not to long ago.
It is crazy how many Jews were involved in the German revolution.

What the fuck did they expect was going to happen once they lost? Germans would be like, narr it is cool.
Of course they would be angry about this and losing the first world war to (Jewish lead) unions that caused the ammunition shortage.
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>>58279
>>59957
Every comment deserves at least 1 reply :^)
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>>57439
Hitler did nothing wrong
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>>59954
Human evolution is people who want to fuck each other fucking each other. Europeans don't have Neanderthal genes because of dumb notions of racial purity. Humans are best when we intermix and let the strongest breed according to nature.
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>>59793
OK, What are we talking about? Are we talking about who started the war or are we talking about what goals the British had in defeating the Germans?
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>>59977
I love how you try to be funny because you know you cant refute it :)
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If you retarded fucks are s convinced this is a /pol/ b8 thread why do you even fucking reply in the first place?

Just hide the post if it triggers you that much, 4chan is not your personal hug box.
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>>59977
>Shitposting instead of commenting on how this was a sufficient door to a gas chamber

;^)
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>>60005
Is this what being triggered feels like?
Enjoy your college and being a C u c K.
Don't forget to let your wife/girlfriend Fuck other guys, so you have superior kids
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>>60031
I haven't seen much mention of /pol/ in this thread. If you can refute the /his/ garbage here, do so. Else, just shut the fuck up.
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>>60016
>>60039
Firstly stop samefagging. Second where and when did I state that I don't agree with the picture?
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>>60047
Maybe so, but the best genes still win out. You want humans to domesticate humans, and that would be a shit show encouraging stupidity and weakness. I'm fairly confident my kin will survive to pass their genes to their kin. Are you?
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>>59919
WW1
>Left-over feelings from the Franco Prussian war that jumped off due to chain of alliances.

German Revolution
>Communists who happened to be jews jumped at the opportunity to seize control during the political chaos of end-of-war Germany.

WW2
>Appeasement to Germany was a failure. Every new line drawn, was crossed by the Germans leading to the invasion of Poland and Ultimatum by the British Government,
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>>59954
OK, I see whats going on here. Got your position. "I see the world through a different pair of glasses."

You have a nice day.
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>>60078
>I'm fairly confident my kin will survive to pass their genes to their kin
Hahahaha. No they won't. Your dad is embarrassed by you, and your family genes are just going to go downhill from here
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>>60112
You enjoy being fucked by the Syrian immigrants :^)
I wonder how the future /his/ will talk about this era
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>>60121
Like some The Sound and the Fury situation? Who knows. Maybe. I guess nature will sort it out.
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>>60069
Hello friend, INB4 paint.

Secondly, you agree with the picture then?

This is why this board needs IDs.
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>>59954
>this
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>>57562
Why do Brits always think they won WWII on their own with only a touch of help from the US and USSR ?
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The world will keep on moving, and some-or-another civilization will be great, regardless of racial make-up. People are just generally stupid as fuck, and think what is reflects what was and will always be. Self-fulfilling prophecy will be always be our downfall.
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>>57439
Hitler didn't do anything wrong desu
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>>60197
>Why do Brits always think they won WWII
That's the problem. They actually believe they won.
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>>60139
It will talk about how a lack of do ones duty in the first place set the Syrian migration in to motion. Being afraid to spill your blood for the fight of liberty has brought the Syrians out of the desert and into Europe. If the free powers would intervene and stop tyrants people wouldn't have to leave their home land.
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>>60197
American-fag here. The British fucking played the shit out of the Germans when it came to D-Day, which led to a successful landing and all that. Those fuckers know how to gather and play intelligence.
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>>60179
Is dumb.
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Blood is always strongest when mixed. Pure bloods are mewling weaklings. The Japanese thought America was to diverse to be cohesive. The flash of some nukes showed how wrong they were. Jewish science and all that.
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>>60244
Somebody get this hothead outta here
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>>60228
Agreed, The Americans took care of Japan, Brits and Russians, took down Germany with the help of the Americans. We just made it easier to do. But our resources would have played a large role.
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>>60244
>no explaination

I don't hate my grandparents as much as you do.
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>>60228
Yes but so did the Germans when they invaded France and the low countries in 1940. First succeded in conquering Holland from the air (dropped dummy parachutists to confuse them) then smuggled their army through the Ardennes
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>>60288
>Blood is always strongest when mixed
>Jewish science and all that.
You are literally retarded. You don't know what you're talking about. Retarded to such a point, that there is no point arguing with you. Just have to spout memes and ad hominems at you.
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>>60166
Nobody needs id's.
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This board is cancer without IDs as a minimum.

Without the ability to track who is making what points in a thread, as well as preventing samefagging to falsely promote ideas as valid, the board is cancer.
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Hitler was a hype man who couldn't live up to the hype.
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>>60336
I'm sorry. German scientists went to America and helped develop the nuclear bomb. Folks who know animals know that pure breeds are cuter, and mutts are smarter. Flash. Everyone you know is dead. The trees are flat, and Einstein wins. However horrific the cost.
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>>60309
But you still hate them.

I on the other hand am very proud of my heritage. I just don't believe that protecting my families racial purity or my people should contain the thought of ethnic cleansing. I just don't think it is right.

I get why you might. Guess the Native Americans should have wiped out Europeans in their budding colonies. Keep them from invading their home land. They are the cautionary tale.

I truly believe that all races started as one in Africa, diversified, and will at one point become one again. At one point their won't be race their will just be people. Will they live in harmony, no. There will always be those that have to divide for their own gain. Or to maintain their position. We will always be at odds because of the people who believe in labels and boundaries and refuse to accept others into their group.
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>>59725
>counterfactual statement
>true history
History is what is documented to have happened; if it did not happen then it can not be true history.
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>>60514
Depends on your source.
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>>57439
Fucking hell please

PLEASE

DONT TURN /his/ INTO /pol/

DONT RUIN T/his/ FOR ME
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>>58279
fucking shit
/pol/ please go
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>>60514
The native Americans wiped out the viking colonies.
And they tried to do it to the European colonies with only little success.

>I truly believe that all races started as one in Africa, diversified, and will at one point become one again.

just like the neanderthals become 'one' again. nope they were wiped out genetically and now are only make up 2-3% of their conquers.

Do you even understand how unhealthy being one race would be?
We diversified for a reason and that reason is we adapted to your enviroment. African adapted to Africa and Europeans adapted to Europe.
The traits that Europeans process make them healthy in Europe. The traits which African process make them healthy in Africa. Mixing would make both groups unhealthy.
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>>60606
Fine refutation of the nature of gaseous diffusion of toxic compounds in confined spaces lad, have an upvote.
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>>60427
or it can be like any other board and each statement is judged based on its own merits. I don't care how many people say the same stupid shit, all it takes is one person citing a reasonable source to defy them all.
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>>60614
Not really. A big part of racial mixing is fending off against particular pathogens that might effect one population or another. You want people to be as diverse as possible to prevent some single source of disease or the like from cutting most of them down.
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>>60593
It's too late. /his/ was already /pol/
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>>60626
Samefag accusations as well as the inability to know who is you're a discussing a topic with and who is committing derailing shitposting makes the notion of having any semblance of rational debate of historical topics laughable at best.
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>>60656
Or you can give everyone aids.
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>>60578
>russian genetics
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>>60297
Compared to the average post on this message board the word "dumb" is fairly lame.

Why it triggered you is the real question. I guess it cut to the point with out trying to argue. The poster said it flat out. This is dumb. No explanation needed. When you thought the post was smart you sounded the alarm to remove this person who does not agree with me. My support of a a poster who argues a fact with supremacist propaganda, is by far more legitimate than a two word addition to my one word affirmation change the context of my original post. This Violation is of the Most Intolerable a Hothead of this magnitude must be contained.
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>>60666
I leik you're digits.
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>>60618
>holohoax1.png

Kill yourself
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>>60593
>>60658

OR!!!

You faggots can refute whatever points trigger you with your superior intellect and wit!

It shouldn't be so hard if pol is a bunch of retarded rednecks, right??
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>>60672
>mitochondrial eve
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>>60673
Holy fucking shit, is this dude an exceptional case, or are most fucks on this board from 9fag / leddit ?
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>>60684
>filename means I don't have to into science

It should be very easy to prove how this door withheld noxious gasses, right?

Go on and do it, I believe in you!
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>>60578
Don't trust Russia. They tend to worry a lot about ethnic boundaries.
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>>60693
Dude your tumblr is showing. Stop embarrassing yourself. Or you can continue for my amusement.
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>>60711
>DUDE TUMBLR LMAO

Fine argument lad, have an upbote.

>>60706
Or you could bother to into biology and critique the paper?

You're so much smarter than those Russian scientists, I'm sure you can do it!
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>>60737
Day 6. After being btfo many times. He has now, resorted to sarcastic shitposting
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>>60758
>Day 6. After being btfo many times. He has now, resorted to sarcastic shitposting

>Definition of Irony: The Post
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>>60614
Different tribes did different things. I am just saying look at where they ended up either by choice or whatever. Should have stayed pure.

I didn't say that anyone would be healthy, I just think it is inevitable that they all become one. Not arguing with facts, just believes from what I see happening in the world. Don't care if their healthy. Might not even matter with medical advancement by the time I am talking about.
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>>60593
I'd rather /his/ be overrun by /pol/ than reddit or tumblr.
See /co/ as an example for what boards run by tumblrtards are like.
As the same with reddit and /v/
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>>60767
Who are you quoting?
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>>60782

>>60758
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>>60780
Censorship is the reprieve for simple minds.
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>>60656
>not really

Is that all you got?

How is decreasing the diversity of the human species immune system a positive?

Do you even know biology?

Scenario:.
An African has an immunity to a disease found in Africa. She has four children with a Greek man who doesn't have that resistance since he is Greek and not African.
Either one the child has the resistance or half the resistance or he doesn't at all.

If your cognitive dissidence is too strong then lets use animals.
We have a grizzly bear and a polar bear.
They breed in the grizzly bear's habitat.
Are the mixed offspring more healthy in the grizzly bear habitat or if the grizzly bear more healthy?
The answer is the grizzly, not the mix since he has DNA from the polar bear which is unless or detrimental.
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>>60807
Yes, and that's exactly what anti-/pol/tards are trying to set forward.
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>>60822
Dude just say bone morrow and save your breath.

There was a big story on my local news on how a specific type of African/European hybrid child nearly died because it took forever to find a compatible bone marrow donor.
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>>60829
Its scary because 4chan is near the only forum left for expression of controversial opinions without fear of reprisal.

Nearly all of these fuckers frequent facebook or reddit as their predominant discussion venue and they only come here because le ebin anonymous haxxor memes, but then try to make this place exactly into the places they think they're 2cool4school for.
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>>60661
The intelligent response to samefag accusations is to ignore them entirely. It's dodging the argument by trying to say something about the poster rather than what they're posting. The point is that the beauty of anonymity is that each argument is judged by its own merits. That's why shitposting doesn't matter, samefagging doesn't matter, IDs don't matter. Either you're intelligent enough to form something worthwhile from the discussion or you're on the wrong part of the internet. There's a lot of places where there are measures against these things. Here, there isn't that screen to distract us from the arguments, and that should serve to sharpen our ability to base our judgements on them exclusively.
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>>60737
Your sarcastic wit and meme are extraordinary.

Need not bother with a critique of the paper because they are Russian. Don't care what they have to say.

I am probably as smart as the Russian scientist I am just not in their field. Not a biologist.
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Reminder: Hitler was an advocate of censorship. Nazis burned books.
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>>60874
>The intelligent response to samefag accusations is to ignore them entirely

Or, IDs solve the problem.


>>60879
No, you're just another self-important retard.

I'd be more inclined to take your word for it if you did something besides post your feelings.
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>>60773
My point was it would be detrimental for everyone to become one race.

>I just think it is inevitable that they all become one

Nope, Africa will stay African.
Asia will stay Asian
But Europe won't be European.

If you think it is happening then you should leave your European country and go see the world.
>pic related you live in a multicultural society, a white society much unlike wherever else on the planet
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>>60874
Actually, you're right, its too soon to delete my post so ignore it.

I will try your advice in the future and report back.
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>>57483
He inherited good work from the previous administration then performed some generic Keynesianism.

In terms of batshit dictators, that's a pretty good economic record, but in general political terms it's average.
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>>58637
Not a popularity contest. It's for the most important person, good or bad.
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>>60700
Nope 4chan only, never been to 9fag.

Looked at porn on reddit before. Wasn't any good.

Not a newfag by any means, don't tri-force either, never cared how to.

Just having some fun before bed.

Thought /his/ might be fun, thought it might be more fun and less childish than the other boards. I like /pol/ for the laughs, same thing with /b/. Thought I could talk to people with common interest and learn something at the same time. Guess not, so better start to fit in.

Uh, OP is a Faggot!!

Did I do good?
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A nice Nazi bonfire. Full of literature. Folks want to selectively breed a race of domesticated blond-haired blue-eyed morons.
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>>60837
They piss me off, not only are they scientifically illiterate but if they got their way millions would die and all humanity would suffer.
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>>60883
All those burnt communist and porn books, the thought keeps me awake at night.

>The allies burnt Nazi books
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>>60964
>believing allied propaganda.

Aryan doesn't mean blonde. It doesn't even mean German.
Maybe you should read mein kampf for yourself.
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>>60964
A nice Jewish bonfire. Full of gospel. Folks want to selectively breed a race of domesticated curly-haired brown-eyed morons.

http://www.haaretz.com/news/orthodox-jewish-youths-burn-new-testaments-in-or-yehuda-1.246153
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>>60980
So what pictures do you have? The Nazis were proud of it, because they had no 1st Amendment.
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>>60972
Well I think if "they got their way", there'd be enough admixtured good humanitarians that every possible subset of human would have a few hundred sterling humanitarians that matched their specific phenotype.
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>>61032
I wasn't referring to that.
I was referring to that idiot thinking that humans homosapians will become one race again.

They might as well huff their farts all day.
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Everyone knows the smartest dogs are mutts. Which is partially why America owns. Nazis were idiots with all their blood and soil business after they'd already lost. Yeah, you'll totally do better next time.
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>>60911
I am actually more the self loathing type. Not retarded, sorry. Take lots of medication but that's because I am sick.

Hmm. So if I agreed with you would you be more inclined to believe me?

I think this is fun. I have never really been seen as some one who posts with my feelings. Kind of makes me excited.

The truth is this. I am white as white can be. I have a High School diploma. Went to College and got bored. Dropped out and started down a career in the arts. Mega Successful after 20 years. Parents told me that I was tested once in school to move ahead grades. Told me I have a high IQ. I don't know what it is, don't care. This time I am the real deal.
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>>61084
What are you sick with, friend?
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one of the worst 'famous/infamous' leaders but good at public speaking
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When will this invading Russia was a mistake meme end? He nearly fucking did it the complete madman.
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>>60911

>>60874
>It's dodging the argument by trying to say something about the poster rather than what they're posting. The point is that the beauty of anonymity is that each argument is judged by its own merits.

If you want IDs so badly, go to a board where they are implemented. There are people who like 4chan for not having IDs, and there have been clearly outlined good reasons for this preference. Honestly, I wouldn't be responding at all to such an asinine and juvenile post but for the benefit of others in this thread who seem to not fully grasp the exquisite finery of ignoring the posts of the deeply ignorant.

Also, dubs.
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>>60924
I understood your point.

Why will Africa stay African?
Why will Asia stay Asian?
Why will Europe change?

Don't live in Europe.

If I were to post a meme I think the KKK guy would be brown and everyone on both sides would be the exact same race including him. Everyone would be the same.
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>>61200
That is impossible you retard.
Fucking anarchy-capitalism or true communism has more chance of happening then this does.
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>>61110
Depression, Anxiety, Panic Disorder, Arthritis, MS.

Its been a blast of a life. Lot older than you probably think.

You won't believe me, but you should, my current job involves lightsabers. My work can be seen in December. No joke, probably stupid to say this, but what the hell.
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>>61276
Well good luck with it either way, friend.

I'm pulling for you.
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>>61259
Its not impossible. That statement can't be proven.

As for being retarded, nope.

The races will mix till there is basically no way to tell them apart. Of course they will always be some genetic variation. I agree that we will probably suffer some sort of apocalyptic catastrophe before then, but if uninterrupted it will probably happen.
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>>57483
He inherited good work. He founded the rightwing tradition of taking over from an unpopular leftwing government making the necessary adjustments to get the economy going again without sacrificing ALL the goodies and doing a damn good work overhauling the system, and then just claim all the long term benefits are from your short term managment. Still employed by any government right of the middle in germany, works every god damn time, most recently with the agenda 2010. After that, he employed basic keynesian principles, but turned them to an extreme. The german economy became a ruthless predator feeding on the carcasses of the defeated. Without the massive influx of riches plundered from the defeated enemies, the reich would have gone bancrupt 1940 at the very latest, as the spending was not self sustaining. That means that all those conquest were mandatory for the system to go on. He could have won if not for a load of small factors. Had they invaded in another year with off the 4 year terrible weather cycle in eastern europe, had they not been delayed, had they been more lassez-fair with their generals in the begining and less so in the end, then yes, they could have beaten the SU. A lot of people willl tell you the war was decided in the first year, and it's true. But the war could have been decided in favor of Germany as well.
To elaborate on the attitude towards the enemy: In the beginning, the soviets were stiffled by too few leadership, unexpected defence and a too tight controll from too far atop. Stalin wanted confirmation on everything, which meant that generals on the frontlines had to follow his bad leadership which also allways came too late. The germans employed the Bewegungskrieg (not blitzkrieg) doctrin, which is imensly powerfull on the offensive and when trying to capitalize on enemy failings. It of course also profits from planing from atop, but less so then other doctrins.
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>>61431
This also came to stiffle the germans later when the war came to a standstill and when on the defensive, where more planing and top down command helps even out the shortcomings of this doctrin. Problem is, Hitler was actually a pretty bad general. The allies did not kill Hitler because they were affraid another more capable man would take the position and lengthen or win the war (rightly so). The Soviets profited from this when on the offensive, also Stalin realised he was just as bad a strategist al Hitler and easened up his iron controll, which helped a lot. So, for Hitler to win, he would have had to limit himself to more abstract planning and to actual politics, where he was a genius (in a bad, terrifying way, like Stalin). Also, allying with China instead of Japan, like pretty much everyone except the idiot who convinced Hitler advised, would have meant more resources and no war or later war with the USA, which would of course have helped a lot and would have meant that maybe we wouldn't have to endure fucking Mao and his legacy today because with german help Chang Kai Chiek might have won the civil war with german help. Also, keeping Italy out would also have helped, Italy is fucking useless and more of a burden in ANY FUCKING WAR EVER
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>>57439
>Was he a good leader?
Read Kershaw's ''Working Towards the Fuhrer'' article.
He was not a very smart man, though he had a lot of power, and wasn't afraid to throw around ultimatums.
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>>58067
>How does me pointing out that you are an SJW somehow suggest that I meant to invalidate your post or points (or lack thereof)?
Because it's redundant to state it otherwise.

It's like walking into a debate hall to debate a historical topic and opening with "Right, just so you know my opponent is a convicted pedophile. He'll deny it, of course, but he is.", sure, even if he is a peado it doesn't make his point on the subject of the debate wrong, but you damn well know it's going to make him look bad and thus make people less inclined to listen to his point.
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