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Why do Britbongs hate Cromwell so much? He was their one way

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Why do Britbongs hate Cromwell so much? He was their one way ticket to modernization and abolishment of feudalism.
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>>281293
Because Anglos are inbred desu senpai
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>>281293
>Why do Britbongs hate Cromwell so much?
>He was their one way ticket to modernization and abolishment of feudalism.
You just answered your own question.

Modernism is awful.
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>>281368
>being a serf sure is fun hyup hyup

>oh whip me harder massa it feels so gud!
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>>281293
But the thing is, England did modernize after his death. After all that shit the Stuarts went through, opposing the parliamentary freedoms was a big no-no and each and every future monarch had to take it into account.

Parliamentary monarchy established after Cromwell has put Britain into position of becoming a prosperous merchant and naval power.
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>>281410
The feudalistic concept of aristocratic property still exists today.
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>>281414
Only thanks to gradual reforms and modernization, at least in England's case.
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>>281425
Also may i remind you that the very institution of parliament is an aristocratic concept, which changed its role and model over time.
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They don't.
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>>281377
>everyone of the lower classes was living in misery until the advent of socialism

This meme is worse than the dark ages desu.
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>>281293

He was a crazy Puritan fanatic.
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Conservatives hate him for killing King Charles
Lefties hate him for suppressing the Levellers

Also, like >>281543 lots of people associate him with Puritan repression of other faiths, which he actually tried to prevent.
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>>281293
>Feudalism
This meme has gotten stale.
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>>281534
Yep, go tell those WW1-era Russians how great serfdom is.
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>>281668
Pretty much. I love the guy except for the Levellers and the invasion of Ireland.
hashtagcontradictorynatureofbourgeoisrevolutions
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>>281293
Only if they're Scottish. And the Irish too I suppose since some of that is still British.
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>>282570
>and the invasion of Ireland

Irish apologist detected
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>>281293
Because Cromwell was shit.

We want to have Christmas, play football, go to the pub, say what we want, dress sexy and most importantly not be ruled by a military dictatorship.

And common empathy plays into it as well, considering how much he hated the Irish. I'm sure they'd rather not all be dead or working as slaves in the west Indies.
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>>282692
>And common empathy plays into it as well, considering how much he hated the Irish. I'm sure they'd rather not all be dead or working as slaves in the west Indies.

Because the Anglos totally didn't make them do something like that right? Hahaha no that would totally be silly
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>>282695
The Stuarts were fucking the Irish as well.

But getting fucked isn't as bad as getting killed en masse, deported, and then fucked even harder.
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>the monarchy is finally over :DDDD
>DUDE MY SON WILL SUCCEED ME LMAO
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>>281293
Usurper, regicide and theocrat.
What's to like?
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>>282709
Dictators are cool

You wouldn't understand
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he fucked it up by being just as repressive once he got into power
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>>282709
Against regicide?

What's with the weird number of hardcore reactionaries on the internet? Even the French revolution is too far for them. Did someone clone de Maistre?
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>>282753
>Even the French revolution is too far for them.

Bill of rights was awful desu senpai
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>>282753
Regicides almost always make things worse. Constitutional monarchy is where its at.
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>>282753
>to disapprove of the french revolution makes you a hardcore reactionary
..what?
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>>282753
>disliking the excesses of the French Revolution makes you a disgusting imperialist and royalist who clearly wants the poor to be downtrodden
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>let me tell you about your country.

lol claps
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>>282866
>implying Burgerstani

>implying implications
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>>282852
Preferring the state of things prior to to the 19th century is very, very reactionary.
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>>282885
Preferring the declaration of rights, the rights of modern left liberalism, the rise of Marxism and feminism, self-sabotaging maschostic attitudes towards Islam, antagonism of traditional lifestyles, etc. etc. is pretty fucking destructive and ignorant.
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>>282852
>>282858
I don't mean slight disapproval or people thinking somethings were wrong and what not, but total rejection. Capitalist democracy is too far these peeps.
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>>282894
Yup, that's the usual line reactionaries have against non-reactionaries.
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>>281377
>his country had serfdom
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>>282709
At least the first two are universally cool, particularly when it's a King who had it coming. And some people like theocrats too, y'know if that's your thing.
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>>282753
>Even the French revolution is too far for them.

You could barely have chosen a worse example to make your point, holy shit.
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>>281293

It turns out that theocratic military dictatorships aren't particularly fun.
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>>281368
>He was their one way ticket to modernization and abolishment of feudalism
>abolishment of feudalism

Kek, no. Feudalism had been over for at least 200 years by this point
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>>282894
>fuck having inalienable rights, safe work environments, pinkos can voice their opinions near meeeeee reeeeeeee save me based evola
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>>282570
>Implying the Levellers weren't the best part
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He let in the Jews.
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>>283049

>implying proto-socialism wouldn't have been interesting af
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>>282569
There will always be a class-based society no matter what. Natural order is natural order and the underclass will always be exploited m8.
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>>282753
>Even the French revolution is too far for them.
It never should've gone beyond Constitutional Monarchy.
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>>283049
>>283180
No, I love the Levellers, Their suppression is one reason I don't like Cromwell that much.
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>>281293
>Why do Britbongs hate Cromwell so much?
No fun allowed mostly

Irekeks hate him more though.
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>>281293
No one hates him, its the Irish that do
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>>281293
Why would we hate him? He destroyed the scots, destroyed the irish, destroyed the useless stuarts, wrecked the dutch and allowed an easy and quick transition back into a normal society where we could reap the rewards by bankrupting the netherlands and becoming the capitalist centre of the world.
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I like Cromwell. Everyone shits on him but he did what he did to stop the country collapsing into anarchy again. He blew everyone the fuck out and after they brought back the monarchy everyone missed how powerful england was under his rule.
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>>281293

>Republican
>Puts his Beta fag son on the Throne
>They dont even bother killing his son when he is Deposed

Shitty Lord Protector desu
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>>281293
We dont hate him or love him, he was basically Christian ISIS though.
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>>282569

...you do realize serfdom had been abolished in Russia more than 50 years before the outbreak of WWI, right?
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>>285697
lower classes have been treated like shit in all of history, stupid fascist
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Anyone got some good book recommendations on Cromwell/the Commonwealth/Protectorate?
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>>282575
The ones in Ireland who call themselves British love Cromwell
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>>281377
How many people who start life as Walmart cashiers do you think are going to end up running the company, anon?

Social mobility is an illusion for the vast majority of people. Sure, you can choose to quit your job and work for a different company, but you aren't likely to change your lot in life.

The fundamental core of what being a peasant meant remains alive and well.
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>>285706
And the Empire was starting to treat them far better than the Bolsheviks ever did. Farmers would burn their crops and kill their livestock before helping the communists.
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>>285706
>states misinformation
>is corrected
>f-fucking FASCIST!

Wew lad
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>>281293
But he was trying to start a new hereditary dynasty for his son.
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>>285814
That's not a bad thing though.

Most people deserve to be peasants. Social mobility is only meant for the people who genuinely have a lot of talent or charisma or drive or intelligence.

As long as those people have the opportunity to raise their status in life then social mobility is working.
The 85% who have IQ's below 115 are simply beasts of burden.

Who cares if they're surfs as long as the few born with gifts get to answer their higher calling?
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>>286328
>The 85% who have IQ's below 115 are simply beasts of burden.
>Who cares if they're surfs...
How noble that you would sacrifice your position for the greater good.
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>>281293
I'm a bong and I don't. He kinda fucked Ireland and thus our control over it though.
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>>281293
He abolished fun not feudalism
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>>281293
He didn't finish the job he started on the filthy potato muching bog dwelling paddies.

Other than that, I quite like him.
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>>281293
British are actually divided on the subject.

On one hand yeah down with monarchy, on other hand he was just as bad and his legacy was inherited undemocratically to his retard son.
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>>288959

He did some good things and some bad things, unfortunately the bad things outweigh the good things. It's a good thing his son was a tard otherwise the negative impacts of cromwell would have lasted longer
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>>282753
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>>282753
>What's with the weird number of hardcore reactionaries on the internet? Even the French revolution is too far for them. Did someone clone de Maistre?

An amazingly strong and completely unfounded belief in their own innate superiority over others.
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>>285814
Ay fags always change their tune to lock in social privilege when they have it.

I suspect anon you're just another affluent retard
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>>285706
spot the Marxist.
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>>292277
>michaelwittman1488
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>>292277
>SKYRIM FOR THE NORDS
>not realizing that with Skyrim in the Empire it'd be easier to kill more Thalmor next time around
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>>292277
That's just the internet and people in general.

2015, come on.
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>>282753
>Even the French revolution is too far for them
Nigga pls, most of these "reactionaries" online are basically edgy liberals. Neocons or whatever they're called.
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>>293071
if skyrim puzzles are too hard for the average stormkuck, they clearly aren't thinking ahead
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>>281293
Most Britbongs don't even know who he is. I don't see how you think that most of us hate him.

Anyway, he was contemptibly dull, so naturally he doesn't excite many people.
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>>281377

>In England, the end of serfdom began with the Peasants' Revolt in 1381. It had largely died out in England by 1500 as a personal status, and was fully ended when Elizabeth I freed the last remaining serfs in 1574.[6] Land held by serf tenure (unless enfranchised) continued to be held by what was thenceforth known as a copyhold tenancy, which was not completely abolished until 1925 (although it was whittled away during the 19th and early 20th centuries). There were native-born Scottish serfs until 1799, when coal miners previously kept in serfdom gained emancipation. However, most Scottish serfs had been freed before this time.

Serfdom was already ended.
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>>281293
Brit here, I like him, tried to get rid of these parasitical fucking monarchs. Britain's elites always end up back in charge though

Should had the guillotine

Also of irish descent and think his hatred in Ireland is way overblown, every fucker was murdering everyone and he gave the settlements standard terms - surrender or sack
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Cromwell did nothing wrong
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>>293662
>Also of irish descent and think his hatred in Ireland is way overblown, every fucker was murdering everyone and he gave the settlements standard terms - surrender or sack
The sack of Drogheda wasn't that bad, it was the ethnic cleansing, slavery and manufactured famine that pissed us off. Mind you he wasn't succesful with the first and the next two were as much his generals' fault.
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