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Eh, I want to let /pol/ be /pol/ but this is fine for /his/.

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Eh, I want to let /pol/ be /pol/ but this is fine for /his/.

I want to know everyone's opinions on the late 20th century American White and Black nationalist movements and why they gained many followers and then died out so quickly.

Specifically:

>Nation of Islam
>5% nation
>Creativity Movement
>National Alliance
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The black revolutionaries turned into criminal street gangs and led to blacks killing each other. Probably because of COINTELPRO
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Soviet Union collapsed.

Today we see a strong Russia and suddenly they are back. Russia is now continuing what the KGB did.
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>>279575
Is there any proof Russia has anything to do with any of those movements?
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>>279603
Well, COINTELPRO was also aimed against the SWP and other socialist movements [1]. Various defectors have reported that the Soviet Union was involved in various West-German, Europan and American movements, predominantly the "peace movement", but also various other movements. Between the 30's and 40's they were directly involved in various Communist and Black movements in the USA.

[1] https://archive.org/details/FBI-COINTELPRO-Socialist-Workers-Party

>inb4 wikipedia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Communist_Party_USA_and_African_Americans
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NAACP

So I would't be surprised that they were also involved in the 60's and 70's, the Soviet Union was involved in ALL socialist/communist movements worldwide. The BPP is also described as socialist.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Active_measures
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_influence_on_the_peace_movement

>defectors
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jan_%C5%A0ejna
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrei_Sakharov
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anatoliy_Golitsyn

What I find way more interesting are the long term plans of the SU

>In his book We Will Bury You, Sejna gave an insight into Soviet Cold War strategies, quoting Konstantin Katushev, secretary of the Soviet Central Committee: "If we can impose on the U.S.A. the external restraints proposed in our Plan, and seriously disrupt the American economy, the working and the lower middle classes will suffer the consequences and they will turn on the society that has failed them. They will be ready for revolution".

>In 1984, Golitsyn published the book New Lies For Old,[15] wherein he warned about a long-term deception strategy of seeming retreat from hard-line Communism designed to lull the West into a false sense of security, and finally economically cripple and diplomatically isolate the United States. Among other things, Golitsyn stated:
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They were all waiting for some sort of power vacuum and when that failed to show up in prompt order they lost their head of steam.
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>>279575
>Today we see a strong Russia

Which is, ideologically speaking, very different to the Soviet Union. I'm not convinced. Though I agree that the Soviets were obviously funding every anti-US-government group they could lay their hands on.
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>>280329
>very different to the Soviet Union

That is exactly their strategy. To appear "conservative" even maybe "nationalist", financing both sides, left and right. We see this in Germany right now. Putin was a fucking Lieutenant Colonel in the KGB. He knows how to weaken an enemy (and the West IS an enemy). So I wouldn't be surprised that Russia has his hands in the current BLM/SJW movement. Because they did it, they know how to do it, and it will profit them in the long term.
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>>280385
I wouldn't be surprised if modern Russia did have a hand in such organizations. However, I can't see it as the driving force behind modern liberalism per se. Nor can I see the Soviet Union intentionally collapsing itself, losing all its Eastern European territory and enduring decades of irrelevance, in the hope that a secret underground movement would remain the dominant force in world politics despite overt US dominance and successfully undermine the West.
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>>280473
>However, I can't see it as the driving force behind modern liberalism per se.

The driving force are the members of those organizations of course. But they definitely get support.

>Nor can I see the Soviet Union intentionally collapsing itself, losing all its Eastern European territory

Well, we have the EU now, which is basically a Soviet Union 2.0 and this EU includes all Eastern European countries. The whole thing about the Ukraine was if the EU should join Russia or if Russia should join the EU. And Russia is not /pol/'s wet dream despite Russia's propaganda is telling that.

Even Merkel has used the term USE, that is their goal. And Merkel

>secret underground movement would remain the dominant force

No need for that. Most of the citizens are leaning to socialist policies or are infact socialists. You don't need an underground network when you already seeded the seeds over decades.

>successfully undermine the West

The West in it's current state is already borderline socialist. There isn't any conservative/libertarian/liberal (in it's original form) counter-movement.
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>>279856
>the Soviet Union was involved in ALL socialist/communist movements worldwide
Sins come from within. - Jesus Christ.
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>>280385
The fall of USSR was literally a US coup.
Talk about minding your own business...
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