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>this trigger /his/
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>>278677
>mfw Arabs claim they dindu nuffin
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>>278687
>freed arabic tribes from the romano-persian opression
>freed Middle east and North africa from eastern roman and pan-persian sassanid opression, taxes, endless wars, slavery
>freed Iberia for wizigoth germanic nigger tier rule because they were called to

Muslims arabs did literraly nothing wrong.
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>>278687
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>>278687

No, they usually just claim ''Yeah we invaded you, we don't give a shit Allahu Akbar!'' The dorks on this board usually claim identical Western holy wars were somehow of a higher moral order.
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>>278677
Why would a historical event trigger /his/? You must mean /pol/ and /int/ cross-board shitposters.
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>>278687
>it was self-defense!
I wonder where israel got the idea from
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>>278709
Not really, arabs give a fuck about early islamic conquests, it's considered a holy war led by God to give the world the best ideology (in their opinion)

It's quit different from european imprialist guilts, because the conquest were made for money and glory, not a faith.
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>>278677
U mayyad bro?
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>>278702
>replace one form of oppression with another

Dinduism is in the eye of the dindu
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Literally the best thing that happened to the Arabs and Islam. The Eastern equivalent to the Roman Empire.
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>>278730
>opression

Ummayad perhaps (except in Iberia), that's why they get removed very fast.(except in Iberia again)
Abbasid are the best model of governance in the islamic world, if not in the whole world, and perhaps in the whole pre-modern era.
cf: islam and politics at the classical age, of Abbès Makram.

An opressive regime doesn't last 7 centuries.
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>>278734
What do you mean when you say "arab"? The bedouin tribes of the arabian desert? Or the mesopotamians, egyptians, north africans, levantines and others who were genocided, stripped of their ethnic identity and are now called "arabs"?
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>>278677
>mfw it lasted less than a hundred years and it's successor soon became a meme
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>>278742
Ottoman Empire was terribly oppressive and it lasted 4 centuries in Balkans.
Source: I'm from Balkans. So don't give me the bullshit how Ottomans were super-tolerant.
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>>278742
>except in Iberia
Not even there. Not even during the Reconquista.
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>>278743
>who were genocided

[citation needed]

>>278753
100 years is a long time, and they lasted more than 300 years in iberia and north africa.
Abbasid isn't a meme, it was one of the greatest empire for more than 500 years.
Only Rome reached this level.

Stay assblasted bro
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>>278702
>hating on the Visigoths
OVER THE LINE
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>>278760
>Abbasid isn't a meme, it was one of the greatest empire for more than 500 years.
t. mohammed
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>>278757
>Ottoman are opressive
>muh yeniçeri
>muh jizia

Ottoman, except the post-WWI period, was extremly tolerant towards ethnic and religious minorities for it times.
I hate the Osmani dynasty, but they weren't intolerant.

>>278758
What? Ummayd ruled 90% of Iberia for 300 years.
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>>278677
I'm /his/ and I'm more triggered by the Ottomangina wank t b h familia
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>>278772
>Ottoman, except the post-WWI period, was extremly tolerant towards ethnic and religious minorities for it times.
Yeah, I'm sure bulgarians really loved it during the 1870s.
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>>278766
>t. shit baiter

Abbasid had the biggest city in the world, and the biggest military, cultural, scientific centers in this city.
Humiliated China, Byzance etc.
Abbasid Baghdad is the main reason of the islamic golden age, with fatimid Cairo and Ummayad Cordoba.
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>>278743
The Tribes. That happens in every conquest, however the arrival of that caliphate enhanced those regions in both the military sector and economic sector. Literally made them a forced to be reckoned with later down the line.
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>>278761
>Visigoths
Literally pussies.

>invade but then get culturally assimilated to the point of adpoting christianity
>elective monarchy sounds good guise amirite
>ask a bunch of moroccans to help settle an internal dispute, get their shit pushed in

>>278772
>ruled 90% of Iberia for 300 years
What I meant is that their occupation of Iberia wasn't oppressive.
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>>278780
>1,200 killed during a revolt
>Relevant, specially in the 19th

Other european state of this time removed millions of people for less than that.
You're obviously biaised/blinded by your nationalism.
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>>278760
It's pretty fucking shitty when you consider Palestinians and Lebanese people consider themselves to be Arabs

They also arabified north Africa

Not even the guy you're responding to, not a genocide per se, but they skullfucked them, culture-wise.
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>>278772
>muh yeniçeri
>muh jizia
Yeah, that for start. There was shitload of other things.
>was extremly tolerant
No.
It was also terribly backward and Balkan population dropped by 2/3rds from 15th to 17th century, under their rule.
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>>278797
>quoting a single massacre out of a long list
>using the lowest estimate
Mehmet confirmed.
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>>278797
>1,200 killed
And you're obviously blinded by Turkish propaganda.
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>>278760
>100 years is a long time, and they lasted more than 300 years in iberia and north africa.

I said less than 100 years, it's not even 90, and historically no it's not a long time. And the Umayyads in Cordoba adopted a total different attitude than the ones of Damascus. Same family, completely different empire.

>Abbasid isn't a meme, it was one of the greatest empire for more than 500 years.
Only Rome reached this level.

It didn't even rule for 200 before losing de facto most of his land and getting keked by persian shi'ites. Then it spent all his history keked by different turkic powers.
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>>278786
Jesus, you arabs are the worst chauvinists.

>allauh akbar the abassid caliphate was the best.

It wasn't, it was a shithole. It transformed what had hitherto been the centers of civilization (Persia, Mesopotamia, Egypt) into a shit tier alluha akbar shithole.

A persian philosopher or two doesn't change that...
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>>278798
You obviously don't know anything about the processus of arabication of the levant, and of north africa.
Both are unrelated to islam, or at least islamic expansion.

First of all, levant, was already a semitic speaker area, aramaic etc. were close to arab, and arabian tribes migrated to levant, cham etc. centuries before islam and started to mix and arabize the other way before

About north africa it's even more complex, there was nearly any arab speaker outside of Kairouan/Ifriqia until the 11th and the banu hilal migraiton, were aren't a molitary invasion per se.
Most of the arabization was made under native dynasties (almoravid, almohad, zayanid, hafsid etc..). And most important, the big part of arabization was made under colonial by european.
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>>278761
I'm spaniard and not defending the other side here, but visigoths were literal shit. Worst people to rule this place, swedes not even once.
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>>278814
low quality bait.
>>>/pol/

>>278811
>It didn't even rule for 200 before losing de facto most of his land and getting keked by persian shi'ites.

Not true, buyid didn't weakened the Abbasid empire that much.

>Then it spent all his history keked by different turkic powers
Seljukid recognized the Abbasid rule, they were their vassal.
Mamelouk were ruling on the behalf of the Abbasid sultan, and many had a de facto power until the 16th.
The religious influence of the Caliphe was always relevant.
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What is the Problem to destroy ISIS?
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>>278847
Because it's not easy to destroy ideas. You may get rid of ISIS but you won't get rid of the problem.
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>>278847
You sentence makes no sense. Rewrite it.
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>>278677
Banning delicious spanish ham and wine, no wonder you got kicked out.
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>>278859
>>278847
It's ultimately a Mohammedan problem and ISIS's ideological narrative in winning their culture war. Unless you're expecting mass apostasy, don't hold you're breath.
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>>278904
>all Europeans declare themselves muslim and say their prayers to Allah
>keep drinking beer and wine and eat salami and ham and other pork meat because it's our culture
>keep showing hair and mingling in public spaces because it's our culture
>islam commits suicide by mass apostasy causing brain tilt
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>>278904
That's literally what I said and yes, one way to fix the problem would be through secularization and education which isn't likely to happen in this century.
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>>278677
>this trigger /his/
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>>278837
>Not true, buyid didn't weakened the Abbasid empire that much

Then explain a whole century of shi'ite domination in islam, only stopped by turkic domination. When you're supposed to be the ruler of all islam and some random warlord is literally your suzerain you are a meme "empire".
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>>278847
Those who can destroy it (aka our rulers) don't like the other side either. If this war was just ISIS vs us, it would've ended already.
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Ayy lmao
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>>278943
Started by the berbers kutama, fatimid stoled Egypt for Abbasid rule and weakened their economy.
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>>278942
>HOLY

>ROMAN

>EMPIRE
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>>279002
So, like I said, total kuckoldry after not even a couple of centuries of non-meme empire.
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>>278743
Only stripped of their identity by moron Americans that can't seem to learn geography.
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>>279026
At the end they won and get levant and egypt back against shia and crusaders, thanks to the ayyoubid vassals.

Almoravid also recognized them.
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>>278743
Found the butthurt Copt
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>>278713
/lit/ and /pol/ cross-board shitposters are responsible for 95% of posts here.
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>>278942
>lasted a fucking year

Wow, what an accomplishment.
I bet some of the people living in these lands didnt even realize they are part of Germany, so fast it collapsed.
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>>279059
They didn't got shit, as you said it was the Ayyubids who did. "Recognize them" doesn't mean shit when it doesn't have factual power.
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>>279103
Nice coffee
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>>278723
Which is false. Crusades were religious, more so than the Arab conquests possibly
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>>278677

>mfw i think of all those Pagans Mohammed massacred

Based defender of the Abrahamic faith desu
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>>279141
Thanks, family. You like tea?
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Im curious about all this in a religious context.

How exactly were people divided by sunni/shiite/etc.. sects? Was it adopted by rulers or spread by specific schools and preachers? Was it a passed down the family sort of thing?

Why did sunnies end up being the most numerous and why did the shiites end up mostly in Iran and my corner kebap shop?
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>>278723
>It's quit different from european imprialist guilts, because the conquest were made for money and glory, not a faith.

Literally false. That's only protestants and not even all of them. Spain wasn't given 90% of the Americas for no reason, it was theirs because they were there to convert everyone to catholicism. For Spain (not judging individuals here, unless you're gonna claim no arab joined the conquest for money) conversion was prioritary over profit. More then once the catholic preachers arrived where the civil authorities did not.
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>>279232
Who doesn't? But what the fuck is all this you put on it?
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So were the Muslims able to set up this empire in such a short time due to numbers or military prowess? I know that Muslims had considerable defeats against armies of the West and vice versa, but were the Muslim troops special in any way? More advanced in some aspects? Anything like that militarily?

I know that Muslim bueracracy was fairlt advanced for its time under the Abbasids.
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>>278723
Look up White Man's Burden.
Europeans believed it is their holy task, given to them by God, to convert the "savages" of Africa and the Americas to Christianity.
This eventually led to the abolishment of slavery.
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>>279266
Just a bunch of spices.

>green cardamom, which should be in every green tea
>cinnamon sticks for warmth adn sweetness
>fresh ginger slices for, well, freshness
>fennel seed for subtle anise flavor
>star anise for a sweeter version of the fennel seed taste
>black peppercorns for spice and bite
>coriander seeds for a subtle citrus flavor
>whole cloves for a very strong flavor
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>>279334
>chai tea
literally gag inducing.
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>>279347
You, you mean you drink english sweet water?
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>>279103
You took the bait, and I love and hate you for it
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>>279347
I always found it a little stupid to call a kind of tea "tea tea". I never got what chai tea is supposed to be apart from, you know, tea.
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>>279369
Tea is the leaf. Chai is the drink.
British call the drink tea, because they are incompetent morons who refuse to acknowledge their past mistakes.

Chai tea would mean the drink of the tea leaf tea, which is retarded, and Britian should be sunk.
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>>279353
chai tea is good if your leaf is subpar shit.
darjeeling earl grey is god tier with milk
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>>279381
>adding milk to tea
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>>279386

Depends on the type of tea.

Adding sugar is a greater offense really.
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>>279400
This we agree on, but milk too is very sweet, and kills much of the flavor of the tea.
It turns it way too mild, when tea is meant to be a spicy and hot experience.
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>>279386
>muh water
fucking frogposter, cream is excellent with the correct type of tea.
sugar is for babbies
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>>279373
For heaven's sake, m8, don't sit on the fence, say what you REALLY feel.
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>>278837
>low quality bait.
>>>>/pol/
It's easy to play the /pol/ card, isn't it mehmet?
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>ITT
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>>278702
>murdered shitloads of Hindus Jains and Sikhs
The Muslims were downright cordial to the Jews and Christians they conquered in the Levant and Iberia. It was when they weren't dealing with other "people of the book" that they got really brutal.
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>>280433
Which is why they pogromed Jews there amirite?
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>The UMAD? Caliphite
Islam confirmed for an elaborate trolling attempt through the ages.
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Why do so many maps claim they got that north in to Spain? They barely managed to "occupy" central Spain
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>>280439
t.b.h. we did that too, all the time
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>>279253
tribalism dude, it was there before Islam begin and is still there now, although the sunni/shia divide has expanded to ethnicities/nations now in terms of global politics.
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>>280474
What is "we"
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>>280501
Western europeans of course. The rest are guests here t.b.h.
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>>278677
why no sicily in green?
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>>280581
Not conquered by the Umayyads
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>>280433
What other "people of the book" are you talking about? Only Jews and Christians are considered "people of the book" (also Sabians but they are a meme group), the rest are mushrikun who are either to be converted or killed.
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>>280433
>>280613
Nevermind... Misread your post. I need to get some sleep.
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>>278757
>Ottoman Empire was terribly oppressive
What kind of crack are y-
>Source: I'm from Balkans
Oh, no wonder. Whenever a foreign power tries to stop your miserable tribes from genociding each others so you can pay the taxes in an orderly fashion, you consider it brutal oppression.

By the way, you're not automatically an authority on events that happened centuries ago just because your father forgot to pull out of your mother's cunt in some hovel in the Dinaric Alps.
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>>280433
>sikhs
>750 AD

What the fuck are you smoking?
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>>280705
>rule of law
>Ottomans

PROTIP: You can't have true rule of law without political pluralism.
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>>278904
>It's ultimately a Mohammedan problem
Sorry, what do you mean by this?

>ISIS's ideological narrative in winning their culture war.
That's not exactly how it works. They only need to convince a small amount of people join them in order to sustain their occupation and attacks. I'm not sure what larger cultural war you might be referring to. If you're just talking about the minority of people (thousands) who are going there, there hasn't really been much of a cultural effort to oppose ISIS's propoganda. If there has, I haven't noticed.
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>>278757
>>280705
OH SHIT
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>>278702
>Conquering Christian land and forcibly converting the locals is "freeing"
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>>281590
Majority of Europe didn't have either political or religious pluralism for most of their coexistence, by the time Europe started advancing in these areas the Ottomans were already in decline.
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>>278677
This doesn't trigger me.
What triggers me is that people these days are butthurt over the European response to this threat. Fucking hell, especially since it's European people saying sorry on behalf of our ancestors.

God, people today are a bunch of pussies.
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>>283578
>it's European people saying sorry on behalf of our ancestors
You didn't read the fucking thread did you?
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>>278979
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>>281590
You can't have fish without bicycles.

That's how much sense you're making right now.
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>>281590
Or a written constitution, for that matter. The person who made this graphic is delusional.
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>>281590
>Ottoman Empire wasn't pluralistic
Have you read a single book about it?
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>>283556
>forcibly

I need a source on this
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>>279273
They showed up at a time when the Eastern Roman Empire and the Sassanid Empire were totally exhausted from fighting each other for hundreds of years
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>>285082
History
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>>280705
>tradition
>imposes islam domination on a traditionally christian area
>imposes turco-iranic language on a traditionally greek-slavic area
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>>285211
Yeah, Islam basically came to exist at the luckiest historical time possible, it might have just remained an arabian peninsula thing otherwise.
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>>280606
>sici
you're right it was a Fatimid Emirate
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>>278677
It's fucking desert and drylands mate, just Germany a few hundred years after probably had more population than the whole area
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>>285931
>Spain
>Persia
>No population
retard
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>>280705
Oh look, a probably Western guy telling me how tolerant the Ottomans were.
Well, let me blow your mind: for the most of time, Ottomans barely controlled their lands.
I just say ''Ottomans'' because it was Ottoman state. However Sultan and Ottoman family didn't really micromanage their empire.
On the provincial level, local Muslim power holders simply paid taxes to Sultan and sent troops. Sometimes they didn't even do that.
On the provincial level, abuses of authority by Muslims were great, forcing many people to run off, become brigands, or revolt against Ottoman rule. Central government simply didn't care, or couldn't care.
In some cases, conversion was forced too. Most of the time it was PRACTICALLY forced since if you weren't Muslim you'd literally starve or become a slave. In some cases it was restricted, because Christians paid more taxes.
Now, sure, these weren't even Turks but mostly Balkan converts, however point is Muslim rule in Balkans was anything but peaceful and prosperous. There's a good reason why, despite the fact there are some exaggerations, overwhelming majority of Christians in Balkans (and some Muslims too) consider Ottoman empire to be a total disaster which cost us several centuries during which Europe advanced while we were almost cut off.
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