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Was Ancient Rome really civilized?

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I think people often make the mistake of thinking that the Roman Empire was far too "civil". From the early Republic until the fall of the Empire Rome was a extremely war like and hostile society and civilization. Constant war, uncontested and unregulated patrician violence, blood sport and the gladiatorial games, tens of thousands of slaves, rampant xenophobia, and corruption unparalleled even maybe by modern standards. It certainly was no "beacon of light" to the rest of the world, in fact it was a constant enemy and threat to the rest of Humanity.
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>>276063
Fun Fact: That Empire of theirs? Not all of it was conquered by the Legions. Greece, Syria, Judaea were pretty much sweet-talked into it.
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>>276063
using todays standard of civilization to judge ancient empires is a whole heap of logical fallacy

get your hippie shit out of here
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>>276063
civilization by definition:
>A civilization (US) or civilisation (UK) is any complex society characterized by urban development, social stratification, symbolic communication forms (typically, writing systems), and a perceived separation from and domination over the natural environment.


>urban development
yep, Rome.
>social stratification
check, you had all sorts of classes within Roman society.
>writing
big check.
>separation/sense of superiority from the environment
yep, they didn't live in caves and they utilized agriculture and infrastructure to separate themselves from nature

by objective definition Ancient Rome was civilized.
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>>276063
>civilization then
>civilization now
learn the difference
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>>276063

the rest of humanity were nothing but unwashed bumbling morons, brutes and slackers.

Rome meant order, prosperity and vision. And many of those people saw that and accepted it willingly.
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>>276063
>threat to the rest of Humanity
>certainly was no "beacon of light" to the rest of the world

Filthy Barbarian detected

America was designed after Rome. Like Rome, we too have entered our period of the late Republic. Who shall be our Sulla? Our Marius? Who will destroy the Republic to save it? That is what I wonder.
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>>276063

The whole civilization/barbarian bullshit duality was invented thousand years after the acient rome. Get the fuck out of /his/ plebian and read at least wiki entry what 'civilization' means.
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>>278425
>Get the fuck out of /his/ plebian and read at least wiki entry what 'civilization' means.

the beating of a million drums?

the fire of a million guns?

the mother of a million sons?
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>>276066
>Greece

>sweet talked

With lots of swords and arrows. Sure.
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>>276063
>>276063
The Celts for sure had some great technology/culture wiped out or at least absorbed by Rome, RIP.
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/r8k/ memes aside, the pater familias thing was actually really brutal. Children who were born weren't part of the family until they were adopted, and were killed if they weren't. Given the high rate of death in childbirth back then combined with access to reasonably effective birth control, the idea that a woman would have to bear a child all the way through before it was decided to be worthy to live or not was crazy. A lot of women and children died in a culture of eugenics and politics.

Bloody pagans.
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>>276066
>greece
Macedonian wars
>syria
annexed by pompey during mithridatic war
>judaea
Client state then romans gradually took control through intimidation, suppression, civil war and finally fucking their shit up
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>>280320
Found the feminist.
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>>281053
*christian
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