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Was nationalism what filled the void with the decline of religion?

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Was nationalism what filled the void with the decline of religion?
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I think it was the rise of urbanization and growing industrial progress within countries 2bh
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>>273326
No. Nationalism was the next step after feudalism and monarchism.

Land belongs to no one > land belongs to agricultural settlers > land belongs to city-states > land belongs to lords and kings > land belongs to a nation
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Nationalism was the ride of identity politics.
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>>273326
For some countries a strict part of their national identity is based on their national religion.
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>>273326
No, materialism did. Even SJWs embrace identity politics via capitalism and buying shit.
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>>274077
Why not both?
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>>274236
>Even SJWs embrace identity politics via capitalism and buying shit.

I don't seem to get what you're implying. Social justice is a very broad term, it can apply to the beliefs of liberals as well as some anarchists and communists. Of course liberals don't have a problem with regulated market capitalism, that's their whole shtick.
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what comes after nationalism /his/?

internationalism?
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>>275134
Planetism

Martian shits are getting nuked if I have my way
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>>275134

the shit that Europe is devolving into, and America right on their heels
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>>275134
>what comes after nationalism /his/?
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>>275134
socialism
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>>275134
Hyper prosperity and then collapse. The reset button will be hit sooner or later

If you were hoping for some sort of transhumanist utopia I have some bad news for you.
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>>275134
It was supposed to be communism, but that choked. It was then supposed to be fascism, but that choked. It was supposed to be globalization, but looking at the state of the EU that's in the process of choking.
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>>275144
Has there ever been one successful and stable socialist state?
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>>275159
literally every country in europe and most in asia?
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>>275159
define sucsessful
also stable yes there has
vietnam and cuba are the first to pop into my head
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>>275158
Globalization in the midst of choking is causing a small comeback for fascism though. And with the rise of fascism comes socialism/communism as a response.

>>275159
Cuba is doing decently compared to most of Latin America.

>>275177
>Countries that still have the private ownership of business
>Socialist
Shiggy
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I would say that PURE IDEOLOGY was what filled in these gaps.
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>>275193
It's causing a comeback in nationalism. I don't think we'll ever see the individual subsumed into the absolute authority of the state any time soon.
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>>275215
Nationalism, if left uncontrolled, will delve into fascism sooner or later.
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I would say Ideology has. In the 20th century we have seen it being treated much like religion. Let us not forget the Great Schism in which Patriarch Khrushchev excommunicated Pope Mao Zedong, or the Great Patriotic Crusade in which the holy communists were lead against the savage Fascistic hordes.
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>>275193
>Cuba is doing decently compared to most of Latin America.

No.
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Yes, because without a leader us completly stupid people will become neglegent and forget how to feed ourselves.
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>>275221
na
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>>275221
maybe of if there is monolithic super power threatening to invade yeah
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>>275221
See, that's why we thought it was what came after nationalism. But turns out that people didn't like being made into cogs in a machine, and the industrial economy gave way to a service economy. Fascism is fundamentally a reaction to industrialization, kind of a final evolution of that line of thought, but it doesn't seem to survive the exportation of factories in the same way good ol merchant driven liberal democracy does.

However, China's getting into the whole fascist game, being a nation whose economy is firmly industrial.
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How do we stop tribalism?
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>>275325
It's part of human behavior. You might as well ask how we stop the feeling of hunger.
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>>275325
how do we stop entropy?
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>>275221

Nationalism implies love of one's culture, and democracy is too ingrained in our culture for fascism to happen anytime soon
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>>275370
Democracy wouldn't be this big of a thing if we didn't spend so much time beating it into the heads of our children. Fascism has a huge appeal because of order, authority, machismo and a cult of personality.
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>>275351
> You might as well ask how we stop the feeling of hunger.
By feeding people.
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>>275383
>Fascism has a huge appeal because of order, authority, machismo and a cult of personality.
Indeed, truly the government of the beta.
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>>275391
Fuck off
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>>275698
go back to r9k
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No, 'experientialism' has.

Materialism/consumerism is just a transitional phase. Post-everything young people in the West, who are so far removed from religion and nationalism as to barely know what they are, aren't big consumers. They spend their money on concerts, travel, and other 'experiences'.

Go to the Middle East or Asia if you want to see consumerism in full force. It's a phenomena of the nouveaux riche.
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>Nationalism didn't exist until the 19th century

Is this a meme or not? I'm having a hard time getting a straight answer.
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>>276851
tl;dr: religion>nationalism>consumerism>experientialism

You can see this transition furthest along in the most developed Western countries, but every place seems to follow in the same order unless they get stuck along the way.
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>>273326
Nationalism fills the void at the end of empire.
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>>275127
A more appropriate term is consumerism.
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nationalism was a response to the evolution of war and its technologies and also to egalitarianism and socialism

>>275134
return to aristocracy and monarchism of some form
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>>276858

It isn't a meme, it started with the french revolution and spread to other territories over time.

I'd say from France it went to Germany and Italy, you had Germans banding against Napoleon near the end of the war under the guise of nationality and after Napoleon in Italy you had ideas of a united Italia floating about.
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>>277083
Why and how will we return to monarchism?
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>>275383
>fascism has a huge appeal

Go outside and get off 4chan you stupid fuckwit. Hitler and Mussolini aren't exactly table conversation.
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>>277544
Yeah, but it won't be Hitler or Mussolini, it will be some new guy, and "fascism" will be rebranded. Maybe it will just be "democracy". It's not like we have much power as it is
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>>277605
>Yeah, but it won't be Hitler or Mussolini, it will be some new guy, and "fascism" will be rebranded.

So...Oswald Mosley?
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Why is there no major nationalist party in the U.S?
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>>277764
Because multiculturalism and globalization are more important than national identity and independence.
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>>277764
Basically >>277796. There is no shared ethnicity and culture to tap into. There's only patriotism, which isn't as strong as nationalism.

But you could most certainly get a nationalist movement going on at the state level. Honestly the first man to break the "White American" meme into Virginians, Californians, Texans, Michiganders, etc, will probably go down in history.
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>>275134
individualism/anarchy
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>>273326
No, nationalists were/are religious. The decline of religion in the west happened after the 1960s when the anti-european marxists took power in the west.
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