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Controversial Subject - Youth Prostitution and Historical Pedophilia

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So this is a bit of a weird subject that's very, very difficult to discussion rationally on almost any part of the Internet, but I think /his/ should be a little less triggered by it.

It's been said that child prostitution was pretty prevalent in Western Europe even up to the 18th Century. Even England didn't take steps to end child prostitution until 1885. But what fueled this and maintained this economy of child sex workers? Were people just more accepting of pedophilia back then or was it just like Internet piracy, impossible to stamp out entirely?

Historically, how have most civilzations tried to handle pedophilia? The Greeks are often brought up as exemplars of "tolerance" in regards to sexual deviancy; was this something that they had few problems with? The Romans have a reputation, perhaps unearned, for being little boy fanciers. Is /his/tory just being rewritten by pedophiles, or is modern puritanism an aberration?

I'm just genuinely curious about what ancient and medieval cultures thought about pedophilia.
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>>267495
>960x738

Gonna need that in hi-res bud
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>>267495
Well for once if you have children working in factories (or on the fields for that matter) why no make them use all parts of their body to make money?
One has to understand that the clear line of child-adult wasn't always as clearly defined, children have been helping their parents where they could since before time, labour laws are a incredebly modern thing.
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>>267495
>what fueled this and maintained this economy of child sex workers?
Demand
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Pedophilia today is not the same as pedophilia back then. It was typical in medieval society for a girl to get married and start popping out kids as soon as they hit puberty.
Ergo, sex at a younger age was alot my typical.
Understand too that until Christianity popped up, men on men action wasnt all that frowned upon.
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>>267533

child sex workers are less likely to have the clap, which in an age before germ theory or any kind of cure, is a pretty big bonus.

at least, that's the theory...

>also: loli
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I think a lot of it comes down to what was an "adult" has changed a lot through history

Especially when you have a lower life expectancy and even a cold or easily treatable disease nowadays could kill you, it doesn't make much sense to have only 18 years old be considered "legal"
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>>267495

my dear friend, while pedophilia did exist as a concept in the middle ages it was one of those things that were only [morally or by law] sanctioned when it entered the public sphere. since the great majority of those cases never did no one actually cared.

I do not have a source for this but I'm fairly certain it was only the judeo-christian societies where pedophilia was considered "immoral" in any way, shape or form.

the greeks endorsed it. people up until the 19th century were okay with the idea of a grown man marrying a twelve year old.

there were many reasons for that, one being incredibly high child mortality, combined with the fact that farmers often needed five or six successors as a form of "pension". if you do the maths, let's assume half of the children manage to surpass the age of three, that means a woman will have between eight and twelve children, roughly.

in this case you need to start early, especially taking into account that people just weren't as old as we are now and that childbirth after the age of 28+ was highly problematic (it still is).

sorry I cannot tell you more about child prostitution, very interesting aswell.
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>>267495
I had a seminar on the question.
In most (western) countries child labour (thus prostitution) ended with the emergence of democracy and citizenship, around 1900.
As soon as people had to vote, to take part to the military service, to become real citizens, they had to be taken care of.
Instead of going to the mines as soon as the age of 6, they got an education, and the symbolic age of 18 (20, 21...) appeared. This was mainly for the boys, though, but girls folllowed quickly, since they had a role in the new "republican" "modern" society too.
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>>267780
So how do you explain, and this is modern here so it might not belong on /his/, the endorsement last year of the Labour Party to lower the voting age to 16? What makes 16 a better nominal age than 18?
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>>267834

16 year olds are more edgy, susceptible to propaganda and don't have as well developed critical thinking skills.

they're easier to manipulate. why do you think the jocks gave them the vote in the referendum? the ones who were inclined to vote (i.e. not neds) were much more receptive to messages like

>muh heritage
>FREEDOM
>da ebil sassenachs

obviously labour are hoping for a similar effect to work in their favour.
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>>267859
Who are the jocks? Is this about the Scottish Referendum?
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>>267903

Jocks = Scots.

A regional nickname. The UK has loads of them.
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>>267495
Age of consent is for stuffy old-fashioned cocks.

I mean it's the 21st century, if some adolescents want to jump an older persons bones what's wrong with that?
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>>268009
Sex outside of marriage is pointless.
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>>268072
>t. kissless virigin
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>>268072
Life is pointless.
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>>268091
Using fallacies is a forfeit, senpai.
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>>268103
Life is sustainable as far as we can see, so it's not pointless as far as we can see.
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>>268072
Fuck off
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>>268091
>>268154
Whores spotted
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>>268158
christfags get out
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>>268197
I'm not even religious.
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>>268205
Even worse then. Christfags could at least claim to be concerned with the sanctity of their souls. You're just being a wet blanket.
>not that I actually believe that those younger than 18 be of sound enough mind to have sex with someone significantly older than themselves
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>>267533
demand form clients and greed+avidity towards pleasure from the provider
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>>268703
>that pic

Jesus

What the fuck am I doing in life
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>>268715
Not being that handsome, that's for sure.
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>>268755
;_;

It fucking hurts man
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>>267547
Was it though? I thought that was mainly a nobility/aristocracy thing since there's a bunch of marriage records from England and most of them fall into what would generally be considered adulthood.
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>>268995
Not even that. Marriage records from the Middle Ages show that the Church pretty much only married people above the age of 18. It's not like the number was pulled out of thin air; it's been the age of adulthood for centuries. The only people who got married at like 14 were freaks and perverts or political tools of noble families.

At least, that's the argument of historians who look into this. They ignore the fact that most church records haven't survived down from the Middle Ages, especially those of more rural parishes and churches. It's like arguing that the fossil record is complete.
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>>268759
do not be a beta. far too many men live for a validation from women in giving pleasure through sex, comfort, amusements.
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>>269139
Modern liberal revisionist academic elitism is real, very very real.
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>>267495
I think it's just that people didn't give a shit about children, especially poor children back then. They made them work in factories, and do extremely dangerous jobs that left them deformed for life like chimney sweeping
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>>267547
Germanic tribes in the roman age hated homosexuality. Pretty sure medieval scandinavians did as well.
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Romans were veryweird about masculinity and if you were fucked by a man you would be shamed. However if you penetrated a man it would be more okay. Not 100% okay but you woudn't be severely punished.
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>>269590
They had a similar view as the Romans
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I believe marriage between older men and girls happened but that it was expected that you would wait for them to get older before consumating it.
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>>267502

here you are you lazy faggot
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The roman church accepted proof of the sin as evidence of adult capacity, otherwise 12 for marriage.

18 is about the earliest you can beat your father to death during a property dispute. Marriage delay is associated with limited land access as a form of property contraception.

Small people are easier to beat and rape .
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I see a common misconception being repeated.

While it was common for nobility to arrange marriages between kids, and even to marry them officially it was commonly understood that the actual consumation would be postponed. This is because everyone knew that girls can give birth when they're say 13 or 14, but nobody liked this because it puts massive strains on a young developing girl. I recall a medieval noblewoman who wrote how she gave birth at 14 or so, and though everything was fine and she lived to old age she was against impregnating girls as young as she was. Point is in the letters she exchanged with her friends basically everyone (men included) agree with her. This leads me to believe it was a commonly held opinion backed by facts.

People in the Middle Ages usually married around their early 20s, sans aristocracy. Women usually had their first child somewhere in those years.
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>>267495
>The Romans have a reputation
>perhaps unearned
Correct
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>>268703

>that sounds like my dream date

yeah, that image is totally legit...
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>>268703

>'I'm confused now, I just want to blow your father
>I guess I'll ask him

what the fuck
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>>269643

it's the same in islam, even today.

>>269590

sources please?
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>>268072
It's fun tho
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>>269291
It's not as if revisionism hasn't been going on since the beginning of human civilization, but goddamn. They try to make all history look like their modern liberal paradise and it's fucking disgusting how blatant it is.
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>>270205
There's a difference between marriage, consummation, and just fucking because why not. The question is, did people fuck at ages younger than 18 and get beaten for it?
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>>269590
gunna need that sauce
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People get away with paedophilia -- broadly defined -- in our world all the time. Tens of millions look at cartoon porn that is mostly underage, and half the French intellegensia engage in sex tourism in North Africa that is taboo.

Read Barthes, Duvert, and more about 1968. Burroughs etc. for the US. It's just a class thing.
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There's a lot of evidence that women just a few hundred years ago didn't menstruate until 17/18, not 12 like now.
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>>269139
>Marriage records from the Middle Ages show that the Church pretty much only married people above the age of 18.

This is nonsense. Except for the nobility, you went from being a child to an adult when you hit puberty and until the late 1800s, most brides walked up the aisle already 3-4 months pregnant.
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>>267495
Learn, OP: Childhood is a modern notion. There never was any attention to it, but to define a complete inability to make decisions on their own. Quite often, children with their nine or ten had to take charge of their lives, and this has always been considered perfectly normal and acceptable.

Thus, it is absurd to speak of "pedophilia" with regard to this context. This notion simply did not exist.

It is an anachronism - in my humble opinion - extremely idiotic.

>pic related: began to work as a cashier at age 10
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In Renaissance Italy many men saw no problem with fucking an adolescent boy much like the Greeks and Romans. In fact in 1517, half of Florence was arrested for Sodomy.

There was no homosexual identity in the Renaissance, sexuality was more based on the active masculine and the passive female and so if a man was still receiving a fucking when he was an adult, he was the one to usually receive punishment and not the masculine. In fact, the Church in Florence opened up a brothel just to try and stop the amount of sodomy.

In our own culture we usually see as giving a blowjob as passive as you are coerced to give sexual favour to another. However, in the Renaissance giving a blowjob was the masculine, active thing to do.
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>>275499
>half of Florence was arrested for Sodomy.
By who? Medicis?
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>>275527

They had a judicial panel set up in 1432 called "The Office of the Night" whose sole purpose was to charge people with sodomy. 17,000 men were convicted. Many, many more however were brought before the tribunal.
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>>275499
Can't tell if trolling or not
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>>275595

I'm not.
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>>275545
That is a badass name.
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