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Can we have a thread about the napoleonic wars? tactics, politics,

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Can we have a thread about the napoleonic wars?
tactics, politics, technology, battles, books whatever you got, ill take it.
Coalition fags welcome
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>>261945
That shit is fucking insane. Why that entire army didn't just turn the fuck around halfway there is beyond me
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Did Napoleon ever actually lead on the field in his campaigns or did he just command from the rear?
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>>261998
afaik commanded from the rear
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>>261976
Awesome, but it didn't show the battles in the Middle East.

pic related
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>>261937
all the books you need in this bibliographic article on napoleon
http://pastebin.com/8Ym84h0F
bookzz.org to find some for free
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>>262043
that was before napoleon took power in 1799 senpai
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>>262043
I still can't find one of those in 1920x1080
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>>262045
It would be nice to include it.

>>262046
pic related
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>>262070
1488, kek
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>>262070
>>262070
oh jesus anon thank you
Im reading a biography about napoleon atm, it didnt really seem to make a big deal out of this battle. Most of what I remember is that Murad Bey got his shit pushed in and fled towards syria i think
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>>262506
I seem to recall them winning the sixth
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>>261945
>be Aleksander
>Napoleon is a total bro
>betray him and burn down your whole country just so you can trade with Britain
>Eternal Anglo ends up keking you for the next century
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>>262524
But seven was the true finish.
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Greatest man who ever lived?
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>>262545
Oui.
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Was Ney a traitor?
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>>262569
Yes, but he redeemed himself at the end
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>>262545
I think so. I don't think there is a single man in the world who can hate him. Even Hegel liked him
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>>261937
>Still riding horses
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>>261976
>1:10 to 1:15
>Goes into Russia
>Comes right back out again
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Where did he go wrong?
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>>262705
Not destroying the anglo when he had the chance. Should have went straight to London
>bongs depose him and exile possibly one of the greatest rulers in history
>they make a fucking chant about him after
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrjl2h4Zo5U
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>>262712
>should have went straight to London
Anglos dominated the seas, how would he have done that?
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>>261998
Commanded from the rear for the most part, except for a battle or two early in the Revolutionary Wars.

>>262519
VIVE L'EMPEREUR

>>262545
Yes.

>>262705
He gave Spain to Joseph and was overzealous with the Continental system. One or the other would have been managable, but fighting both Russia and committing troops to Spain to be led by less-than-stellar generals was very draining.
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>>262545

>mfw Europe would be a God-tier world power if it wasn't for the Coalitions, all SEVEN OF THEM.
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>>262715
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>>262519
VIVE L'EMPREUR
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>>263427
ME WATERLOO THO
ME WATERLOO
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>>261951
because there was no real plan to the invasion of Russia other than engage and annihilated the Russian army and force Alexander to reenter the continental system

as the Grand Armee advanced on Vilna, Vitebsk and eventually Smolensk without engaging the Russian Army, his Marshal's kept urging Napoleon to abandon the campaign. But he was determined to defeat Russia, as he believed if he were to abandoned the campaign Austria and Prussia would sense weakness and rise against him. again
The two armies finally met at Borodino and while the French were victorious, Napoleon failed to decisively defeat and destroy the Russian army. with this failure, Napoleon realised that the campaign was in tatters and occupied Moscow with the slight hope it might force Alexander to come to peace. But it didn't work, a fire burnt down Moscow and with no stores or winter provisions, the French had to leg it.

There were honestly a number of decisions throughout the campaign that could have salvaged the situation but stubbornness, poor decisions and misfortune made it almost ruinous


even then, Napoleon still could have won the following 6th coalition war if he had a bit more fortune or his marshals had been more competent
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>>262519
VIVE L'EMPREUR
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>>263522
>mfw Europe would be a God-tier world power if it wasn't for the Eternal Anglo.

Remember it was Englands Shekels that spurned the european armies and caused so much bloodshed on the continent.
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>>262087
The whole expedition was retarded and mostly succeded in giving nelson a great victory at abukir bay. + it also portrayed napoleon as a "bringer of peace" when he came back to quash one coup or the other and, get this, save the Republic
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>>262519
VIVE L'EMPREUR
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>>262519

VIVE L'EMPEREUR
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>>263701
>Murat abandons the Vilny line
>All the marshals except Davout abandon Eugenie
>Prussians and Austrians both desert and turn on the French
truly, there is no justice in this world
vive l'empreur
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>>261976
>Current Germany (aka Austrian possessions) not colored in blue during the 3rd coalition

Really?
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>>264119
>Nelson
Every battle I read about that he was involved in was an absurdly lopsided victory. How the hell was he so successful?
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>>265113

British crews were overall much better drilled than french crews.
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Greatest man of all times.

One day we Aryans will unite and KILL all Eternal ANGLOS for their crimes against our race.
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Could Napoleon have won, how? And how would Europe look? Would we have had a first world war now that the power of balance solely favors the French Empire even.
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>>265380
He would have killed all Anglos

No Anglos = White paradise
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>>265380

Napoleon would have never won, right up until his death, unless he somehow managed to defeat every single Coalition against him and remove the Brits.
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>>262545
One of the best for sure.
He wasnt only a military commander but also a great ruler of reformed a lot of things.
Fuck the colation ,it was composed by fucktards.
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>>265380
He could have easily won, just ignore Iberia and not Invade Russia. Now he has an extra 650000 Troops ready to fuck up Europe if need be. What he should have done is completely destroy Austria and spend the rest of his reign building a fleet to take on Britain
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My grandfather's people all worship Andrea Hofer like he was such a big deal but really the Austrians were pretty pathetic and got rekt during this time period.
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>>263701
>Napoleonic France
>Incompetent Marshals
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>>265113
You just don't know about his entire career
He fought 11 battles and lost 5 of them
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>>266561
while Napoleon's operational planning is also to blame, poor generalship by many of the Marshals ruined a lot of opportunities for decsive victories in the 1813 campaign.

for example, if Ney had done is job of cutting off the allied line of retreat at Bautzen rather than getting entangled with the allied right flank, the allied army would have been annihilated.
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How you want your empire, Napoleon?
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>>268013
You cant really blame Ney. He was a phenomenal marshal for a long time, and he was super fucked up with PTSD after the retreat from Russia.
Still doesn't mean I don't hate him a bit for not spiking those fucking cannons at Waterloo, though
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>>263620
What the fuck am I looking at?
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>>268620
What's the story with Ney? I've heard bits and pieces about him but never the full thing.
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>>265386
"I'm okay with that" - Napoleon "If he's Anglo he's got to go" Bonaparte
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>>268642
proposal for invading England via hot air balloons and mass tunneling
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>>268694
The brits were paranoid about all kinds of shit back in the day, huh?
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Any good RPGs set in that time period?
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>>268646
He literally caused Napoleons defeat
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>>269134

That's not how you say Napoleon fighting Russia
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>>268786
If you have mount and blade warband you can get the Napoleonic Wars DLC for it.
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>>269167
That's not how you say Peninsular War
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>>269228

Nevermind that the French lost most of their army, a number of officers, destroyed French morale and much of their trained horses in Russia.

Peninsular war and Russian expedition both caused the downfall of the French but it's like the Western front vs the Eastern front in WW2. Both are significant but the other is the more important.
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>>268786
Total war has a napoleon game with the full campaign
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Had did Napoleon sustain an Army so large? It was at 680,000 when he invaded Russia
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Bump for the greatest
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>>269260
1) France was fucking huge at the time. Even before the revolution, the French population was huge (in the 20s of millions). This made it significantly larger than any nation other than Russia. The introduction of the levee en masse during the revolution allowed France to tap into that manpower completely, and was why there was such a rapid growth in army size's during the era

2) Napoleon also levied troops from client and allied states. So Italy, members of the Confederation of the Rhine, the Grand Duchy of Warsaw, even Prussia and Austria, contributed to the army.
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>>269938
Actually in 1810 France had a higher population than Russia, close to 40,000,000
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>>270165
well shit, I didn't realise it was that huge. must have been thinking of a different period.

not surprisingly really, northern and western france had some great farmland
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>>269260
Heavy amounts of conscription, he occasionally called up people a year in advance, couple that with forced contributions from other states and you get a large force going. The logistics side of things was depots all over Europe garrisoned by troops.
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>>269260
He needed an army that big to keep Europe in line, but the problem with an army that huge was the logistics and upkeep. To sustain an army that large he needed all the extra ground and conquering, and massive public support. Thus he got caught in an economy of war with so much resources being stuck in it and all. There's a lot to find on the subject if you dig into it, interesting stuff really. There was a historian who compared it to the American military spendings today, i don't know what he said exactly (or who he was), but it's nice stuff to read about.
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Truly Beautiful
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>>270165
>>270182
40 millions was France population in 1939
In early 19th century, they had around 28 millions
It was still more than most of European countries though
But not more than several big European countries combined, which is why Napoleon was almost always outnumbered in battle regardless
Pic related, the most significant battles of the Napoleonic Wars
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>>270328
>Europe will never be this beautiful and unified again
[HATE ANGLO]
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>>270328
Why did he never take Sardinia?
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>>270317
Not that guy but I've been meaning to start reading about logistics and communication, the 'boring' parts of warfare. Know any good places to start?
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feels good.
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>>271127
http://www.napoleon-series.org/research/abstract/population/population/world/c_world2.html
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What was his justification for annexing Catalonia?
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>>273546
>>271127
You got to remember at this point in time "France" including Belgium, Rhineland, Netherlands, Large parts of Italy, Catalonia and the coast of Croatia
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