Why did Rome wipe out Carthage? Was it out of paranoia? Even

>>23071
You think Hannibal would've been any kinder to Rome?

Both of them were extremely vengeful and ambitious empires. They were seeking to eliminate the other to assert their absolute dominance over the Mediterranean.

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>>23071
>Carthage sends general into Italy
>slaughters hundreds of thousands of soldiers and civilians
>can't siege any of the major cities themselves so he just fucks off
It pissed off the Republic so badly they literally outlawed any mention of peace with Carthage in public

Carthage in many ways stood in the way of Roman imperialism, no other civilization had the navy to match Rome's at the time

>>23129
not even real/10

>>23108
>>23071
well didnt both peoples make accomodations to greekfags and iberians instead of wiping them out
hell after gaul was subdued didnt rome try to get the remaining gauls integrated into the empire even after centuries of war?

Carthage was a very impressive empire. Because they had great ships, they controlled the sea. This meant Rome's trade and land prospects were extremely limited. If they wanted to rule the Mediterranean then Carthage had to go.

>>23108
Well no, not really in the case for Carthage. By the end of the second Punic War Carthage was shit out of luck of any men, resources, and stability. if I remember correctly, Carthage even pleaded to Rome to not fuck them up any further.

"This town ain't big enough for both of us."

>>23071
Carthage and Rome could not coexist. They were pretty well matched and hated one another for it. Somebody had to go down eventually.

It wasn't like nowadays when your political rival has a massive backup behind it in just about any conflict. This is just two young nations in the stage of carving out who is on top.

Scipio, when he looked upon the city as it was utterly perishing and in the last throes of its complete destruction, is said to have shed tears and wept openly for his enemies. After being wrapped in thought for long, and realizing that all cities, nations, and authorities must, like men, meet their doom; that this happened to Ilium, once a prosperous city, to the empires of Assyria, Media, and Persia, the greatest of their time, and to Macedonia itself, the brilliance of which was so recent, either deliberately or the verses escaping him, he said:

A day will come when sacred Troy shall perish,
And Priam and his people shall be slain.
And when Polybius speaking with freedom to him, for he was his teacher, asked him what he meant by the words, they say that without any attempt at concealment he named his own country, for which he feared when he reflected on the fate of all things human. Polybius actually heard him and recalls it in his history.

But Carthage was basically under Roman suzerainty pre-PW3.

>>23335
Yes, that's what I was referring to. I don't see any reason for Rome to enslave or kill the population and burn it to destruction since they had it under control after the second punic war.

>>23376
Cato seemed to be an absolute asshole. Romans too given the losses they incurred from PW2 and the fact they viewed it as becoming too wealthy and too powerful and within striking distance of Rome capable of challenging Rome.

>>23599
CARTHAGO DELENDA EST you filthy baby eater

>>23599
Alas, you can thank Hannibal hardening the Romans through his devastating victories towards them.

Which is why they were so brutal in the Iberian Wars and the destruction of Corinth.

>>23166
the greeks never had a powerful unified state to challenge Rome or Carthage

iberians were barbaric goat fuckers

How come the Greeks couldn't unite against the Romans the same way they did the Persians?

I know that this was far after Alexanders time and the fall of Antiquity Greece, but it seems the conquest of Greece was done in the blink of an eye once Macedon was repelled.

>>25055
they hated each other, plus Rome used the ol' divide et impera on them

they were "united" after Philip and Alexander kicked their collective asses and that didn't last after Alexander's death

Carthage was an embarrassment to the great and mighty Rome. A once humbled and subservient city state rose up and demolished a numerically superior Roman army multiple times. Plus, the Romans weren't the most lenient individuals to begin with, so take that and a wounded ego, plus a general looking to make a name for himself, and you have a recipe for a burned down city salted to the ground.

>>23152
>>can't siege any of the major cities themselves so he just fucks off

Not entirely accurate, he was forced back by the direct actions of Sciopio Afrakinus invading Africa. What made Hannibal so successful was he was very good at picking and choosing his battles, so by denying him that advantage is what lead to his downfall.

>>25256
>Sciopio Afrakinus
ah yes, Scipio Africanus' evil twin

CARTHAGO DELENDA EST
CARTHAGO DELENDA EST
CARTHAGO DELENDA EST

>>25277
Oh for fuck sakes, you knew who I meant.

>>25294
just banta m8

>>25277
i lol'd

>>25055
>How come the Greeks couldn't unite against the Romans the same way they did the Persians?

Because they were too busy feuding amongst each other.

>>23166
The Greeks had more or less been the teachers of the Romans. There's a reason Roman and Greek gods are literally the same people with different names. They held no real ill will towards them. They just saw the greeks as effeminate philosophers and teachers.

The Iberians were barbarians but also extremely efficent fighters, and if there was one thing Romans loved, it was warriors.

Plus the Greeks and Iberians were too weak and disorganised to ever be a real threat to Roman supremacy.
Carthage on the other was ambitious, united and had the money to fight them. And Romans hated upstarts more than anything. Especially barbaric fishermen who didn't even fight their own battles, but instead paid off mercenaries to do it for them. To Roman eyes, they were unmanly, wealthy and power hungry and had to be taken down a notch to learn their place.

The hatred ran deep.

>>25285

Fuck off Cato holy shit nobody fucking cares

>>23071
It was probably for war booty. Carthage was rich as fuck by the third Punic War, despite being reduced to their native city. Rome gotta keep that war economy going yo.

Also Cato was a dick about.

>>23108
He would have. His idea would have been to reduce Roman power in Italy. I think Hannibal promised Capua that they would become the greatest in Italy if they allied Carthage over Rome. Though who can say what Hannibal would have actually done: Raze Rome or be content with his numerous victories against them?

>>23152
Funnily enough it was Rome who came to outmatch Carthage's navy during the First Punic War. Carthage had practically no navy in the second war. It was why Hannibal had trouble being reinforced

>>25055
Mostly geographical factors were responsible. Greece was divided into thousands of poleis (city states) mostly because the terrain was incredibly rocky and mountainous which meant overland travel between the different areas was difficult, as a result each area became culturally different from its surrounding ones. Plus Greek culture generally was intensely competitive and war was usually seen as the normal state of being instead of peace.

>>23071
It's not paranoia when they literally had two massive wars in the past generation.