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You are Tojo. The year is 1939. How do you win World War 2?

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You are Tojo.

The year is 1939.

How do you win World War 2?
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Don't poke the sleeping giant. Invade the Soviet Union from the East when Hitler begins Barbarossa.
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Start the development of a nuclear bomb. Use it against the USSR.
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>>22681
Japan COULDN'T invade Russia.
They simply didn't have the power to break through.
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>>22681
Yes, but how are you going to get the rubber and oil you need?
>>22710
This. Wasn't there allegedly a German sub with nuke plans for the Japanese?
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>>22610
Ally the Allies of course
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>>22681
>Don't poke the sleeping giant.
Tojo was the leader of the Imperial Japanese ARMY.

The ones who attacked Pearl Harbour was the Imperial Japanese NAVY.
baka desu senpai
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Increase my folds by another 1000
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>>22681
>invade Russia by land
>realize your tanks are absolute shit
>soldiers freeze to death
>run out of oil and rubber
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No war with USA. Stay in Manchuria, Korea, Taiwan.

Surprise invade New Zealand and colonize it. By the end of the European war, keep Manchuria, Korea, Taiwan, NZ, and pacific islands.

Ally with USA against Soviet Union and Maoist China.

Not sure how easy it would be to conquer NZ during WW2, anyone know?
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>>22610
Same way you win at Axis and Allies as the Japanese. Focus on conquering India, establish a land base there, then move north and west taking chunks out of Siberia until the USSR can no longer hold off Germany's constant pounding.

Just kidding, that would never have worked in real life, but it works in the game.
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>>22715
They don't need to win, necessarily. They would just need to prevent Stalin from relocating the troops in the far east to the German front.

>>22733
Stop the invasion of China, let them kill each other.
I doubt the USA would stop trading with Japan if they were fighting the USSR rather than China.
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>>22610
Send the navy to blockade Australia or India. Don't awake the sleeping giant.
Finish off China, and establish a chain of puppet states as buffer against the Soviets. Maintain good relations if possible.
China is now your power base. Wait a few years, create a Grand Army and Grander Navy, and launch an invasion of Siberia.

Anything else is impossible due to lack of manpower and insane logistics required.
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>>22899
>send the navy to blockade australia or india
>don't awake the sleeping giant

lmao
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>>22899
>Blockading Australia
You'd awaken the Sleeping Giant right there dickhead.
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>>22899
>Don't awake the sleeping giant.
But anon, Pearl Harbor was a false-flag to go to war against Japan, which the US government so wanted.

The US population was strongly against war, but the US government wanted to go to war.
An attack on the US was the perfect thing to change the public opinion.

And most of your ships were out on the day of the attack, how convenient.
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>>22610
Realize this whole plan is incredibly stupid.

Begin plans to start withdrawing from Manchuria.
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>>22806
>New Zealand
Not bloody likely, cunt.
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Build more shipgirls.
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>>22806
You're not very good at basic geography are you?
Invading New Zealand would require the defeat of Australia first
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>>22806
They were practically defenseless.

However I would think Australia probably would come to NZ's aid, so Japan would have to beat them back as well. In this scenario if Japan actually had its navy still from not fighting the US and used it to guard NZ, it probably could manage to hold off efforts to retake it.
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>>23009
>Begin plans to start withdrawing from Manchuria.
They already conquered Manchuria, didn't they?

Manchuria wasn't China back then.
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Scrap all plans for battleships, make more carriers. Acquire oil and rubber.
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>>23048
Manchuria was also northeast China and parts of Russia as well as both Koreas. Definitely not an insignificant state; having it for its materials and manufacturing was crucial for the Japanese war effort actually.
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>>22610
Impossible. War with China and USA were a mistake. They should just strengthen their present in Manchuria, strengthen their economy and industry, and wait. Or better go full Perfidious albion, abuse free trade and globalization.
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>>22899
>Send the navy to blockade Australia or India.
Yeah, it sure is a great idea to fuck with the Royal Navy. It's not like they suffered horrendous losses to gain a Pyrrhic victory like in Jutland and would do so again.

The IJN was really good, but the British had numbers, experience and money/resources behind them.
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>>22854
Are you unaware of how the US froze Japanese assets? Even among WWII veterans, there are those that think Roosevelt wanted a war.
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>>22610
I don't. It's impossible. Japan knew it was impossible to win in an outright war and thought they could take over a few islands quickly then use for peace.
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step 1) Full scale occupation of Hawaii, complete scuttling or capture of US fleet stationed there
step 2) Build up sufficient naval warfare infrastructure on the island to defend against inevitable american counter attacks from their west coast ports
step 3) win because it's easier to win a battle when youre thousands of kilometers closer to your nearest port

what do I win?
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>>23048
Yes. This whole stupid fucking war started because the Japanese army found a loose thread, and thought they could fix the problem by pulling on it.

"Fuck. Korea's security is threatened by it's proximity to Manchuria"

"Let's invade Manchuria"

"Fuck, Manchuria's security is threatened by it's proximity to inner mongolia and northern China!"

"Let's invade inner Mongolia and Northern China!"

"Fuck, Northern China and Inner Mongolia's security is threatened by it's proximity to China!"

"Let's invade China!"

"Fuck, China's security is threatened by it's proximity to French Indochina, the Phillipines, and the British Empire."

"...I got a novel idea."

Recognize that China's long century of weakness was ending, and that an amicable relationship will have to be achieved somehow.
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>>23148
The IJN slapped the shit out of the Royal Navy in the Pacific. If it wasn't for the Doolittle Raid causing them to pull back to protect the Home Islands the RN would have been pushed out of the Indian Ocean.
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>>22780
He was also the prime minister.
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Absolutely don't start a war with the United States, followed very closely by don't start a war with the USSR.

Recognize that Japan is a sea power. Forget about directly controlling any territory in mainland Asia apart from Korea. A strong unified China (including Manchuria) works for you 1. because it's a buffer between you and the Soviets (they'll be much more worried about the Soviets than you) and 2. you can set up a client state in Indochina which will naturally be your ally (for fear of Chinese domination). Then you can go after the real prize which is the Dutch East Indies. No need to attack the Philippines and bring the US to war against you; wait for the Philipinos to kick the Americans out and then bring them into your orbit.
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>>23148
>The IJN was really good
From what I've seen the IJN wasn't so good at battles as the IJA.

The IJA seemed much more competent at fighting.
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>>23148
Nah. The British tried fighting the Japanese once, got thoroughly fucked, and decided it was best to let the Americans handle it.

>>23154
>Even among WWII veterans, there are those that think Roosevelt wanted a war.
Sadly, instead Roosevelt was an idiot who had no idea he was causing war.


At one point he thought he could BLOCKADE Japan without causing a war.
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>>23131
Yeah, if Japan wasn't on either side and just sat on what it had it could have conceivably been very well-off. In not being a declared enemy the US probably wouldn't have cared much, and in not taking the Philippines and various French/British colonies it wouldn't have pissed off Europe either.

If anything they might have been asked to join the Allies late in the war to take part in an effort to turn the tide against Mao in China's civil war, as its navy could have pounded the shit out of coastal cities and its intact carrier strike groups would shred shit up inland. Essentially China's civil war could have become the first proxy war of this alternate-history Cold War instead of Korea, as it would still be Manchuria and part of the aim of messing with China would be to help make Manchuoko a more permanent state.
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>>23188
Catastrophic losses in your attempt to take the Hawaii. Like, fall of Singapore, Stalingrad bad.
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>>23271
Even better. Why does Japan NEED to govern any of these places?

If they govern themselves, who's the natural trading partner?
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>>22941
>>22957
>>22975
>>23148

The mistake of Pearl Harbor was entirely orchestrated by the IJN. The only way to keep them out of trouble would have been to keep them busy elsewhere, such as fighting the Royal Navy in the Pacific. his isn't the optimal solution, but a defeat at the hands of the RN would not mean defeat for Japan, as was the case with the US navy.
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>>23271
...the only really tricky bit is taking the Dutch East Indies without sparking a war with the English. The easy way to do this is to declare war on the Axis, 'liberate' Vichy Indochina, and demand control over the DEI as the price of your alliance (asking for British Malaya / Singapore is probably a non-starter, but that's a long-term project).
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>>23188
I don't think you realize just how far Hawaii is from the Japanese home islands. Go look at a map right now.
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>>23287
You've got that completely ass backwards, the IJN is the only force that had any real success whatsoever during the war.
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>don't build retarded huge battleships like yamato
>don't build any battleships at all
>seriously no fucking battleships
>better AA guns
>better crew training so you don't lose 5 ships in friendly torpedo strikes
>more aircraft carriers
>more aircraft carriers
>...more aircraft carriers

t. WoWsg
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>>23351
A country was not seen as strong unless it could create and maintain colonies. Look up the unequal treaties. They were emulating the example set by western nations.
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>>23351
Why did the Roman Empire NEED to take all that land?

Some actually believed in bringing civilisation to Asia, which was very backwards during that time.
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>>23351
Ultimately they'll want to set up an independent Korea too, although they'll need to make sure the ruling class there is staunchly pro-Japanese anti-Chinese anti-Russian first (having the Chinese and Russians right at Korea's gates helps with that). A more enlightened attitude to Korea is a must. They'll probably want to establish Taiwan as a straight-up settler colony however.
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>>22610
Don't touch either US or USSR, but keep those projects with biological weapons going in case they attack me first. Focus on conquering what's currently China's territories, if possible go further south. If attacked by the US unleash the I-class subs as planned, targeting civilians on the west coast thus following US's own doctrine.
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>>23321
Japan would never have had the manpower necessary to defend the entire coast from a full-blown, industrialized Chinese invasion. It's chance was to dismantle and conquer China before the communists or nationalists could unite
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Dont lay off pear harbor until your feet are in the sand. Push east as quickly as possible.
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>>23287
IJA was only good at fighting colonial militias and chinese irregulars, every single time they went up against a western army (that wasn't cut off from supply) they got completely btfo

they spent most of the war fighting in jungles but never made a standard issue SMG because the old guards in the high command said IN MY DAY WE ONLY HAD BOLT ACTION RIFLES AND WE GOT ALONG JUST FINE.

The small arms the IJA was using when it invaded Manchuria in 1931 were almost identical to the ones they had when they surrendered 14 years later.
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>>23351
Because Goverment proxies are ineffective by their nature. Now you could leave some of them independant, but you will have to take over most of them.
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>listen to Admiral Nagano and realize that the American people do not want a war over bullshit colonial possessions on the other side of the world
>listen to Admiral Yamamato and realize that there is no way Japan could ever win a war against the industrial might of America
>scrap plans for attacking the Philippines and Pearl Harbor
>invade Malaya and Dutch East Indies directly, bypassing the Philippines
>America does nothing because an aggressive war to defend the colonial possessions of European empires would be political suicide
>sit back with your new sources of oil and rubber and wait for the Philippines to be given independence and bring them into your economic sphere without a shot fired

TL;DR: if you hadn't fucking attacked America everything would have worked out fine
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>>23397
Shame enigma was a shit desu
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>>23526
The Japanese Army had little supplies when going up against the US at the time.

Meanwhile the US had the luxury of ice-cream.
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Once folding technology is perfected and katana based weaponry is mass produced, all will fall before the might of Nippon.
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>>23592
tl;dr
The IJN fucked over the IJA.
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>>23245
They slapped the shit out of Mountbatten's gimpy SEA fleet. If the British had given a damn, they could have #rekt the IJN, because the IJN was full of meme ships - though they did have better carriers and carrier based aircraft. However, with all the various British territories in the region, it would not have been very hard to shit stomp the IJN with land-based aircraft - but again, they just didn't give a fuck.

>>23292
>got thoroughly fucked, and decided it was best to let the Americans handle it.

This is what happened on the sea, and really, can you blame them? The imminent threat of u-boats and shitty pocket battleships near the home islands was a larger threat.

However, I will say the British eventually got their shit together fighting on the land once Bill "Kill-a-Jap" Slim got going and backing (the important part was backing). If the same amount of resources had been applied to the RN in SEA, the tale would have gone differently.
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>>23526
>Meanwhile the US had the luxury of ice-cream.
Yeah, by taking raw ingredients in drop tanks and having Corsairs and Hellcats do barrel rolls and Immelmann loops at high altitude. Git gud, zipper-head.
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>>23592
Invading the Philippines didn't do anything to protect their supply lines anyway, since the US was able to completely fuck up their shipping with submarines (not sure why the US submarine offensive in the Pacific is so little remembered, since it was decisive in the war, moreso than Germany's sub war)
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>Make a deal with the angloscum
>Turn against axis forces under the condition of being allowed to keep your gains in China
>World war ends but you refuse to acknowledge it as world war II because you didnt participate in the first
>Massive re-education of Chinese and Korean masses into Japanese culture
>Industrialize their shit
>Become the biggest industrial power of the world and possess endless manpower
>Start WW3 (WWII from our point of view so fuck you op)over some shitty islands in the pacific while Americans are distracted in Europe because of the cold war
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>>23241
this>>23477
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>>23697
Probably because it was kept secret, is my guess. They didn't want word getting out that submarines kicked ass any more than it already had.
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>>23650
Sure, if they brought down the entire Royal Navy into the Pacific the Japanese wouldn't have stood a chance. But that is pure fantasy, the Royal Navy was stretched thin across too many theaters.
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>>23650
>get btfo by nips on bicycles
w-we were only pretending
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>>22806
>implying invading Kiwis wouldn't draw in the australian ANZAC and therefore the British, and their american cousins
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>>22610
My gook mind can't formulate a plan so I'll crash my plane into a boat
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>>23592
I'm not sure invading Malaya / Singapore / Burma would be a good idea. Ultimately Germany/Italy are gonna lose in Europe no matter what, and now you're at war with the whole British Commonwealth.

Best to get on side with the British and pick up what you can on the cheap. Basically, just what they did in WW1.
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>>23732
Gainz in China are un-keepable imo. There are too many Chinese there.
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>>23732
>>Make a deal with the angloscum
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglo-Japanese_Alliance

>>Turn against axis forces under the condition of being allowed to keep your gains in China
Like they would let that happen.
The reason US went to war with Japan was to defend China.

>>because you didnt participate in the first
Japan did though.
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>>23545
Why? What is it they are inefficient at?

>>23428
Following the Austrian, Italian, and Belgian model of success!
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>>23889
>Why? What is it they are inefficient at?
Wasn't the Cold War full of proxy governments?

Look what happened to Vietnam.
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>>23887
>The reason US went to war with Japan was to defend China.
That's why the US embargoed Japan. But they sure as hell didn't go to war over China.
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>>23847
It would not be the first time Chinks allow a tiny minority to rule over them and change their customs.
>>23887
>Japan did though.
Lies and slander to keep me away from my winning conditions.
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>>23917
The US government wanted to.
They just had to keep pushing Japan to attack them to change public opinion, which they did.
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>>23965
So, don't take the bait. Japan even took over Indochina without either the Americans or British doing anything about it. The trip-wire was pretty clear: don't invade our clay. So long as Japan avoided that it had a free hand; only the Soviet Union was any threat of declaring war out of the blue.
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>>23889
>Why? What is it they are inefficient at?
You get a effect where Great Homeland Government tells Monkey Puppet to do stuff, and Monkey Puppet does stuff.
The stuff Monkey Puppet has to do will force certain budget alocations, and because Great Homeland Government is so far away, they will never attempt to do anything really beneficial. The end result is a slow mismanagement stacking up to rather extreme levels if it goes on for long enough.

USA's proxy goverments in South America is still good examples.
The same with Soviet proxies.
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>>24182
Yes, but that's not what I'm proposing. I'm saying that Japan doesn't even need to be in the business of telling Asian Governments what to do. A strong China, and independent East and South East Asia will naturally look to Japan as a primary trading partner.

If Japan behaves decently towards the rest of Asia and actually took Pan-Asianism seriously, and didn't go full retard, it could have been in prime position to exploit decolonialization.
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>>24079
>So long as Japan avoided that it had a free hand
You just said they were embargoed because of their invasion of China.
I wouldn't call that free-hand.

There was no reason to believe the US wouldn't declare war without Pearl Harbor.
While they US public did not want war, what would the US public even do if the government did?
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>>24284
The problem is that rest of Asia won't civilize and industrialize themselves at the same pace.
There is a reason Korea is in many ways less of a shithole than the rest of Asia.
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>>24284
This exactly. Even colonizing the oil-producing Dutch East Indies is pointless when all Japan really wants/needs is the ability to buy oil.

Japan could have gotten on an anti-colonial high-horse and rode that to Asian economic domination (although arguably they did that anyway).
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>>24321
A war would have had to be approved by Congress. That wasn't going to happen without Japan straight-up attacking US possessions. Memories of WW1 were still too fresh in US minds.
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>>24284
>A strong China
They were in civil war.

>and independent East and South East Asia
They were still colonies.

Japan began the decolonization of Asia. Without them, who knows if Asia would be independent at all.
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I wouldn't set out to make an Empire. Besides Taiwan, I'd basically not try to fully colonise anywhere. Set up puppet states in Korea and Manchukuo with the view of giving them independence in the near future.

In French Indochina, bankroll and organise insurgents to get rid of the colonials and then set up a pro-Japanese set of client states.

Do the same to the Dutch in Indonesia. Politically support independence for Singapore and Malaysia, but don't directly intervene to draw the ire of British Empire.

Don't mess with the Philippines too much, just subvert enough to install a pro-Japanese regime.

Be as friendly as possible with Australia and try to establish strong ties, that is, cultivate an ally in the West, even if it is a minor power.

Make Thailand a pro-Japan client state

Let mainland China fight out its differences, but possibly give tacit support to the KMT.

Direct economic and military power to defence against the Soviet Union, with the view of beginning to expand into Eastern Soviet Union at some point.
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>>24362
How is that a problem for Japan?

Korea is a competitor for Japan. The Koreans can design/produce the same stuff for themselves, so not only do they not buy much from Japan / have much presence of Japanese companies, but Korean companies compete with Japanese companies in less-developed Asia. Keeping the rest of Asia poor and backwards, but leaving it to its own devices, would work out well for Japan.
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>>24390
Memories of the war were still too fresh in the minds of Europeans too though.
Didn't stop them.

I don't know how Congress works since I am not American.
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I mass-produce the Big Zam, bringing down the Allies in no time.
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>>24454
>Don't mess with the Philippines too much, just subvert enough to install a pro-Japanese regime.

Flipfag here. How would you run that past MacArthur?
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>>24442
Given even much-less-ready-for-it Africa decolonized in the wake of WW2, I'd say it was inevitable. Japan could have speeded the process along and won friends there by funnelling weapons to independence groups in Indochina, Malaysia, the Dutch East Indies, Burma, India, etc.
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>>24365
You're both looking at this through hindsight though and making it sound easier than it was in regards to the political climate in the 30s and 40s.

When Japan opened itself up, it signed a number of unequal treaties with western nations that basically carried the implication of, "you're not strong like us, so we're going to take advantage of you." When Japan asked what it needed to do in order to be seen as an equal to the west, the answer was basically "modernize and create colonies like us."

So in many regards the Japanese had no choice but to turn to colonialism in order to be seen as a player on the world stage. Naturally they turned to the nearby weeker Asian countries who were not modernizing for their colonies. At the time it wasn't as simple as, "we'll just set up trading relations with these nations instead of taking them over."
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>>24454
Problem with an independent Manchuria is that it's a prime target for Soviet influence and even invasion. Better IMO to integrate it back into a unified China that can defend itself.
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>>24508
Yeah, MacArthur really liked this place (feeling was mutual), I doubt he'd just let that slide.
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>>24471
>How is that a problem for Japan?
How can you trade with someone who has nothing to trade?
And like I said before, some in Japanese politics actually believed in helping Asia become civilised.

>Korea is a competitor for Japan. The Koreans can design/produce the same stuff for themselves, so not only do they not buy much from Japan / have much presence of Japanese companies, but Korean companies compete with Japanese companies in less-developed Asia.
How is this good for Japan?
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>>24481
Hindsight what it is, perhaps Britain and France should have let Germany and the Soviets carve up Eastern Europe. But they'd look AWFULLY AWFULLY weak by rolling over repeatedly in the face of German expansion.
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>>22610
in the end they got us to make their economy a super power till 1991 and made them a super producer of electronics, cars, and mega corporations.

honestly, thats not that bad for losing two cities
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>>24508
So what if the Philippines becomes an outpost of American economic domination in an Asia dominated by Japanese commercial interests. It's the shittiest most useless country anyway.
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>>24442
>They were in civil war.
And still stronger than they had been in decades, and were getting stronger. That was the entire reason for the Second Sino-Japanese War.

Japan realised "Oh fuck, China is getting it's shit together" and tried to strike while they still had the chance.

>Japan began the decolonization of Asia. Without them, who knows if Asia would be independent at all.
Britain was already in negotiations for a withdrawl from India.

China was already sticking it's nose into South East Asia and letting the Europeans know they were not welcome there for long.

While they were an accidental catalyst for change, in many ways the Japanese were fighting to freeze East Asia as it was at the turn of the century.
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>>24610
>they got us to make their economy a super power till 1991
The US HATED Japanese economic power, since people were buying Japanese and not American.

America helped Japan rebuild, but I don't know about making them an economic super power.
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You don't.

Miyamoto was right when he said that if the US got involved, they would have to be beaten quickly before they could make use of their superior manufacturing capacities.
But that would be nearly impossible and entanglement with the axis' wars would make defeat only a matter of time.

Japan's problem was the same as many other empires and emperors before them: They bit off more than they could chew.

Had they stopped their territorial expansion with Manchukuo, they probably would still have their empire, at least Taiwan and Korea.

So, in 1939, try to get China to sign a peace deal, consolidate your empire and naval power and stay out of the axis as much as possible.

Also, replace Tojo with someone less retarded.
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>>24553
>How can you trade with someone who has nothing to trade?
Finished products for unfinished goods. If you're going to build an empire, that's going to be the basis of your trade anyway.
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>>24522
Don't disagree, but if some geniuses in the Japanese government recognized that colonialism was a dead end (the fact that Japan modernized on its own as a non-Western country could have clued them in) they could have planned accordingly. They would have had a natural ally in the United States in this approach, since it's how the US treated Latin America (no need for direct political control when you can dominate it economically)
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>>24508
I'd say send about a million guys in Chinese Army Uniforms. MacArthur wouldn't ever notice them.
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>>23526
As one Brit put it, the IJA were first rate soldiers in a third rate army.

Their equipment was just shit.
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>>24553
Indonesians give us oil and copper and bananas, we give them Honda motorbikes and Sony radios. When they get to the point that they can build their own motorbikes and radios, Honda and Sony will set up factories for the brands you already know and love.
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>>24610
'Losing' cities is an overstatement. Mazda is based in Hiroshima for example.
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>>24660
They hated it, yes, but they were the ones who set up Japan for economic success in the first place.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Dodge

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dodge_Line
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>>24648
>And still stronger than they had been in decades
Who, the Kuomintang or the Communists?

Because even with BILLIONS of dollars from the United States, the Kuomintang still lost to the Chinese Communists.

>China was already sticking it's nose into South East Asia
That's not a good thing, Chinese colonies never prosper.

>While they were an accidental catalyst for change
They deliberately tried to change things.

>in many ways the Japanese were fighting to freeze East Asia as it was at the turn of the century.
Taiwan and Korea were backwards before Japanese occupation/annexation.

>>24691
Isn't that what Africa does?
They're not very prosperous.
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>>24648
The Japanese should have recognized that a unified China would be concerned first and foremost with its long porous border with the Soviets, and that all the small countries around China would look for a balancing power against it (which Japan would try to be, although with some risk that the Soviets for British or Americans would try to play that roll).
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>>24522
I'll acknowledge I'm operating with the benefit of hindsight.

But Hindsight only frees you from illusions and limitations of the presence.

Japan absolutely did have a choice. Any downside to the alternatives to their reckless wars was nothing versus the actual consequence of their wars.

You can say without exaggeration that doing almost anything else would have ended better for Japan then what they actually did.
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>>24673
In the long term I really don't see how they could have held Korea. It's a big homogeneous country that's not going to become ethnically/linguistically Japanese any time in a hundred years.
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>>24791
>That's not a good thing, Chinese colonies never prosper.
Chinese remain the business elite across Southeast Asia.
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>>22733
There was a sub with some uranium captured by US, later used in the bombs, cos free shit man. Germans were not even close to the nuke.
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>>24864
They are the Jews of Asia, is that supposed to be a good thing?
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>>24843
Look at the state of Korea now, homogenity doesn't keep them from being split into two quasi-puppet states.
The Korean peninsula has almost always been part of a larger, foreign entity, so unless there was suddenly a nationalist awakening, I don't see why it wouldn't stay that way.
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>>24707
>Japan modernized on its own as a non-Western country

Japan modernized by sending delegates to western nations and copying western nations.

Japan's banking and post system is based on Britain's, for example. Their military prior to the end of WWII was based on France's, until France lost a war against Prussia and the Japanese decided to copy Prussia instead. Their school uniforms are based on Prussian uniforms (the Prussian style boys uniforms are falling out of style, however) and so on and so on about nearly everything about Japan.

I'm not saying what Japan did wasn't impressive--they modernized quickly and became a world power--but they did so by copying the west.
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>>24917
>but they did so by copying the west
What else were they meant to do?

You can't on one chastise a society for being uncivilized, and then call them plagiarists for studying the civilized world and adopting its practices.
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>>24917
Copying is such a dirty word, a much better word would be learning.

Copying means you aren't actually figuring out why things are why they are, you're just doing what works because it works.
The Japanese learnt from Europeans, why they were successful and applied it to themselves.


Other Asian nations had contact with Europe and did not manage to do such a thing.
Thailand, for example.
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>>23627
The IJN had a ship that made ice cream and soda and sushi. The Americans sank it. :(
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>>24959
Im not criticizing the Japanese for it. But the anon I was quoting seemed to be saying that Japan modernizing was somehow evidence that colonialism was failing because Japan isn't in the west. Rather, Japan modernized even though it wasn't western because they borrowed from the west, which includes founding colonies.
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>>23397
Except Midway where it turned out now that Yamamoto's subordinates were actually destroying and burying unfavorable intelligence.
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>>22806
Honestly, NZ is a cunt of a country to even think about invading. Easy to win, impossible to hold.
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>>25033
Was Yamamoto the only decent leader in the IJN?
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>>25538
No the IJN had very good leaders including Yamamoto included. But he basically brow beat everyone to follow him and stuff like Midway could have been avoided if he hadn't tried to create this singular type of culture that was less tolerant of dissent.
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Mass sudoku
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>>22681
Never heard of Khalkhin Gol, mate ?
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>>22610
I've thought about this a lot.

Step one, invade the Dutch East Indies to get that sweet sweet oil. (The Netherlands isn't even a country anymore, is the US and Britain really going to go to war with us just over that?)
Step two, finish the war with China
Step three, stop returning Hitler's calls

There you go, war won.
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>>22806
>invade new zealand
Literally why?
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>>29564
>finish the war with China
with all the oil in the world that's not going to happen
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>>22806
>surprise invade new zealand
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>>29172
He is an american, of course he has not.
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>>29721
Nothing against kiwis. It's just a huge chunk of landmass that if I was the leader of the Japanese I'd like to have a colony and it seems suitable.

But like the guy said before, the Japanese would have had to fight Australia too and British in the pacific.

Wonder how many people New Zealand could maintain.
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>>22610
There's a nice little alt-history masturbation fantasy called Rising Sun Victorious, which compiles several not-completely-implausible stories.
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>>24914
>The Korean peninsula has almost always been part of a larger, foreign entity
Nigga what? The Mongols had it for a few decades and that was it.
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>>25947
He also liked making plans WAY too complex.
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>>29564
Problem: Where are you going to refine the oil, dingus?
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>>29930
How did they still have oil while fighting the USA then?
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>>22681
never start a land war in russia, it's been the doom of every great army except the mongolians under genghis
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>>29874
Korea is probably the country on earth with the most continuity in terms of its people and language: it's been 100% Koreans speaking (ancient versions of) Korean since basically forever, as far as anybody knows. It's probably the most resistant society there has ever been to assimilation or conquest by outsiders. Even Japan doesn't have that level of ancient continuity.
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>>25230
>impossible to hold

not really, extremely easy actually with naval superiority in the area. Just very little strategic value in the pacific.
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>>22610
>How do you win World War 2?

surrender to america
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>>24893
>Germans were not even close to the nuke.

>they thought heavy water would get them nukes
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>>23014

man fuck you guys, you didnt even come to Vietnam
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>>23650

>that stopping power

.45 confirmed for tank buster
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>>23650
>the British eventually got their shit together fighting on the land

fuck them though, too little too fucking late

>literally just give up Singapore
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>>22610

Simple. I don't bomb America.
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>>22806
>ally with usa against soviet union and maoist china

how would attacking US allies help? US didnt give a shit about communism at this time, they were isolationist, all they cared about was stopping germany.
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>>30102
Australian SAS had New Zealand operators.
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>>30226
literally a pizza cake
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>>22610
>You are Tojo.
>How do you win World War 2?

>>>/x/

Look up the relative production of merchant shipping US / Japan in the period 1900 to 1945.
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>>30235
You hold out until the defeat of Germany. You're at war with their ally UK and Australia in the pacific and occupying NZ but the soviets would be seen as a bigger threat. You've also never attacked the USA, and oil embargo starts after attack on NZ since you only keep Manchuria.
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>>30288
what you're saying is retarded and why do you think NZ is so valuable? rofl
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>>22610
Nothing, it was a lost cause. Japan wanted to conquer all Asia and tried to go full Rambo against all the asians countries without having allies or even enough resources. At least Germany tried to make alliances and non-aggression pacts with some europeans countries.
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>Fight in China until 1945
Yeah, good luck stopping the full brunt of the Soviet Army by yourselves, while fighting a Chinese nationalist and communist insurgency.
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>>30359
It's not I guess, it's just a good place to start a Japanese colony. You could expand your Japanese empire with pacific islands and New Zealand while keeping Manchuria, Korea, and Taiwan.

Idk how long you could hold on to those Asian areas but easily you could keep NZ and pacific islands after you deport white New Zealanders to Australia.
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>>30384
There were only two other Asian countries, and Japan got an alliance with one of them.
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Japan should have just stopped with Korea and Taiwan desu
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>>30102
But we did. You just didn't fucking notice because there were so few of us.
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>>23765
>Algeria leads the world in middle paleolithic flake tool techniques
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>>30433
China was in a state of Civil war at the time, Japan conceivably could've taken them if they hadn't over extended themselves elsewhere.
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>>22610
If me is Tojo
>Don't attack USA too early.
>Ally myself with Russia (giving Manchuria and parts of China to Russia)
>Send bulk of my army take all French, British and Dutch colonies in SEA
>do not disturb America in Fliplands
>attempt to forge a non-aggresive pact with Americans
>invade Burma and India
>Send troops to btfo Germans and Italy
>War ends
>Get to keep ex colonies in SEA except Fliplands, agree to give them independence
>sign peace treaty with the Americans fearing Russia communism
>Emperor gets to stay in power with influence of military, gets American tech, helps defeat Chinese commies and retake Manchuria and Korea btw, forming a powerful Japanese Empire till late 20th century
>Kuril in our hands
>No south and north korea, only japan administrated korea, with japan in power of its international affairs, a portion of Japanese army base is placed in Korea along with US troops.
>Give chinese nationalist help against commies, gives taiwan to commies.
>becomes a main asian power until 20th century
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>>30742
>have a Korean insurgency right next to your homeland
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>>30742
>going to war with Britain
>playing nice with the Soviets
this isn't going to work
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>>30791
Pretty sure it worked for the third Reich alright.
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>>30791
was going to appease the Soviets to not attack the Japanese for a while by giving clay, also Britains are weak tea suckers who cannot even hold out Singapore, also Amerikeks with their isolationist policy will not interfere, don't bother the sleepin bear and he will not bother you.


But going to war with Britain is a gamble, since a large Indian force could come and liberate their South East Asian colonies
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>>22799
>realize your tanks are absolute shit
As were the German tanks before 41. Air support does wonders - and Japan had the best air force at the time.
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>>23427
>don't build battleships
why so we can roll over them even harder? This isn't modern day, battleships were still effective
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>>23427
If the yamato had escort, it could've been great. I don't know, anon. Although more carriers would've been much better. And the AA gun thing is correct, too.
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>>30407
you couldn't possibly take and hold NZ without beating australia first, they will cut your supply lines
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>>22610
don't fuck it up with Chinese Nationalists. (the Germans dropped supporting them because they had to decide between them and the Japanese, because both factions refused to work together) support them, put resources into more propaganda to get pacific states on your site in the fight against foreign influences.

[spoiler]Build giant mechas[/spoiler]
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>>22610
Hire donald trump's dad, he would negotiate a HUUUUGeee deal that makes japan win everything and every japan rich
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>>22610
>How do you win World War 2?
Don't declare war on the US.
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>>22780
>Tojo was the leader of the Imperial Japanese ARMY.
Tojo was the prime minister and the leader of the IJA senpai.
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>>22681
Japan could never beat Russia decisively in the East because of the Trans Siberian railroad
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>>22752
/thread
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>>30102
Why the fuck would we just invade a country for the sake of "muh imperialism"?
>(TriggerWarning) and then lose.
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>>33982
The IJN had the fucking Navy. What could Tojo even do if the Navy really wanted to do something? Fight them with the Army?

The IJA and the IJN were quarreling throughout the entire war.
Pretty sure the IJA did not agree with Pearl Harbor plan.

Withing the context of the Greater East-Asian War, the Navy fucked over all the Empire of Japan's work.
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>>33982
You're not wrong but understand that because of weaknesses in the Meiji constitution, the Ministers of the Army and Navy were more powerful than the Prime Minister. Whenever one side was unhappy with the Prime Minister, the Minister of Army or Navy would step down and they would refuse to appoint a new Minister, bringing down the current PM's government and forcing him to step down. This happened multiple times in Japanese history and is one of the large factors that contributed to its militarization.
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>>35551
Are you retarded? You think the IJN could just go ahead and bomb a US base without first getting its plan approved by the General HQ and the Emperor? Oh wait, you have no idea how the Japanese command was structured, or how the decisionmaking processes went down, do you? baka senpai desu
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>>37616
>the emperor
Is this bait?
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>>37672
You didn't know that Japan had an emperor? It still does.
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>>37616
The Emperor was already a figurehead by this time who was not involved in politics. And there was no Central HQ giving orders to the army and navy, they were separate entities that operated separately and is a commonly cited reason as to why Japan lost, other than getting btfo by American manufacturing output
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>>29966
They carefully rationed their reserves, and then ran out.
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>>37856
>The Emperor was already a figurehead by this time who was not involved in politics.
Wait, there are people who seriously believe this?
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>>37856
Jap emperor was largely a figurehead, but he still had to sign off on something as major as starting a fucking war with the US. You're retarded if you thought the IJN could go off and make such decisions without any oversight.

And
>And there was no Central HQ giving orders to the army and navy,
This is just plain wrong. Read a book, nigger.
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>>31154
They had a great carrier plane, but they didn't even have an independent air force. The army's plane was far worse than the Zero.
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>>38050
>but they didn't even have an independent air force
Neither did the US.

>The army's plane was far worse than the Zero.
Only thing the Oscar was significantly worse than the Zero in was the lack of 20mm cannon.
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>>38044
>you're retarded if you thought the IJN could go off and make such decisions without any oversight

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gekokujō

The army and the navy were both doing whatever the hell they wanted. Looks like you need to brush up on your reading as well.
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Don't wait for a final decisive battle and stick to small scale confrontations.

Abandon Kamikaze after the first three uses and never again invest in such a waste of resources
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>>38040
Anything to the contrary is just conjecture because [spoiler]if there was ever any proof MacArthur destroyed it[/spoiler]
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>>38184
Good job, posting some irrelevant link really showed me how knowledgeable you are about the actual processes that led to Pearl Harbor. Now take my advice and go read a book, nigger.
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>>38201
Kamikaze was the most effective means of attack the Japs had. What was wasteful was trying to attack the USN by conventional, non-suicidal means. They died just as much, but without killing anyone.
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I would try and placate America and try to annex as much of coastal China as I could
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>>38297
>irrelevant link
Holy shit are you daft? This is common knowledge for anyone who's studied Japanese history. Low ranking officers were causing conflicts all over the fucking place. Go back to /v/.
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>>38365
Don't be retarded. Low ranking officers can start incidents, but they escalate to war because high ranking officers then use that to bolster their case for a war. This argument then has to pass the approval of the general HQ. Actual history isn't as arbitrary or accidental as your kiddie brain likes to imagine it is.
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>>38272
I mean, there is the Meiji constitution.

Oh, and that embarrassing spectacle of when Tojo forgot to lie during the Tokyo trial, and the prosecution called for a recess to go coach him.
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Igonore the USSR and America. Focus solely on China. When conquered or defeated enough, I would carve China into a series of vassal states under my control. If Germany still hadn't been defeated at Stalingrad or suffered another massive defeat somewhere else, I send my new wealth of manpower to either rip the Asian colonies from the Europeans or invade Siberia but promise the West no advancements against them but desu I would prefer to strike south as the combined wealth of the colonies and manpower would make a final advance against the Soviets unstoppable if Germany could still hold on.
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>>38344

>Placate America
>Annex coastal China

Pick one
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Don't attack pearl harbor. Listen to your buddies when they tell you after walking through the heart of American industry at the time that America cannot be beat. Keep abusing China.
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>>22610

Annex the Pacific for those juicy oil gains. Sell oil to the Clappers for mad bucks. Invade Korea/China/Asia. Become world power while Europe and the US kills one another. Refuse to join the war. BEST EMPIRE.
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>Establish marine corps
>IJN invades oil-rich Iran/Arabia with cooperation of Germany/Italy
>Try to win over the Nationalists vs the Commies
>Use South China as a ricebasket when it becomes stable enough
>Build moar carriers
>Never EVER use kamikaze
>Attack the Phillapines DIRECTLY

Pearl Harbor was a mistake because it made the American public go from anti-war to pro-war. Americans didn't give a flying fuck about the Phillapines, so Japan could've taken it easily and brokered peace with the Americans.
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"Ignoring the US" was only obvious in retrospect. The Japanese high command, both civilian and military leadership thought it was a matter of time before the US attacked (see the Japanese state media warnings of the "ABCD line"). The IJN would've run out of oil by 1944 without an invasion of Dutch and British Indochina.
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>>37856
>The Emperor was already a figurehead by this time who was not involved in politics.
That's what Hideki Tojo told them.
To save the Emperor.

The taint of disgrace will follow him to the grave.
Future generations will revile him.
In America as a despicable man with no sense of honour.
And in Japan as a monster who released nuclear Armageddon.

He will go down in official history as a war criminal.
And no-one will ever understand him.
That was his final mission.

And like a true soldier he saw it through the end.

History will never know what he did.
No-one will ever know the truth.

Everything he did, he did for his country.
He sacrificed his honour and his life for his native land.
He was a real hero.

He was a true PATRIOT.
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>>22806

>Invade New Zealand

Get a load of this cunt.
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>>38429
You really don't understand what you're talking about here. Pearl Harbor was stated by something more than "bored upstart officer decides he's going to wreck shit," yes, but Japanese conflicts in Asia grew into wars before the Ministers even knew what was going on. World War II is considered a 15 year war in Japan, largely because of low ranking officers thinking they could do whatever they wanted in Asia. Just look at the Manchurian Incident.
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>>22610
Win in China. Don't spread out through the Pacific, attacking Burma and Indonesia while China's still resisting.

Win China by dominating the air completely and bombing coastal cities and fortifications into rubble. The Chinese people are tired, worn-down, and don't trust most of the factions claiming authority over them: exploit that by showing how incompetent the KMT, Warlords, and CCP are by completely destroying major population centers, including Xi'an and Shanghai.

Also, try to strangle Soviet support by pushing hard through Inner Mongolia all the way West in order to prevent the KMT or CCP from getting the supplies they needed from the USSR.
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>>38475
>as much of
Basically enough that America doesn't go to war with Japan
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>>38535
>Never EVER use kamikaze
Why not? Kamikaze was effective
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>>30092
To be fair the heavy water raid DID set back the Germans in the race for the bomb
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>>39078
It wasn't all that effective. Most pilots missed.
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>>30791
The moment you go to war with Britannia, you lose. The ONLY way that works is if you support Hitler for operation sealion
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>>39136
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kamikaze

>designed to destroy warships more effectively than was possible with conventional attacks

>about 19% of kamikaze attacks managed to hit a ship
19% is good
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>>24791
>Who, the Kuomintang or the Communists?Because even with BILLIONS of dollars from the United States, the Kuomintang still lost to the Chinese Communists.
The reason that they lost was because CKS overextended his army trying to retake all of China at once. He had a much larger army and would have won any pitched battle, right up until Mao got resupplied and extra training from the Soviets. Had CKS simply consolidated his control over like 4/5s of China rather than trying to seize the last fifth that had Russia's backing, he would not have gotten his ass kicked. He let them fight his army in piecemeal like an idiot.

China was a long ways away from challenging the Japanese however.
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>>22610
wait until Hitler invades the SO or at least station troops there so they leave general Zhukov winter divisions

Don't invade China so we can get sweet oil
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>>39192
Corruption was the biggest problem for them.

Really, between the corrupt KMT to the communist CPC, Japanese rule would have been best for China.
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>>39183
You're throwing away all your pilots to accomplish basically nothing. If they had done nothing, they might have been able to mount an air defense at some later point, but nope, just burn air crews and equipment as they become available.
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>>39183
>I am pleased to have the honour of having been chosen as a member of a Special Attack Force that is on its way into battle, but I cannot help crying when I think of you, Mum. When I reflect on the hopes you had for my future ... I feel so sad that I am going to die without doing anything to bring you joy.
> —Ichizo Hayashi, last letter home a few days before his final flight. April 1945[62]
Fuck.
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>>40167
All the good pilots already died. Those guys weren't going to accomplish much.
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>>23452
Holy kek
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travel through time and make sure anime is around before the war starts
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>>38682
Listen kid, that's not how the adult world works. American revolution didn't start because a couple of people chimped out for tea, WW1 didn't start because some serb shot a useless Austrian noble, and the China war didn't start because of some shitty incident. Those events merely supply excuses for processes that were already in place.
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>>40167
They accomplished much more than Japanese pilots who were trying to attack normally.
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>>23765
>Bolivia leads the world in Brazil Nuts
>Not Brazil
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>>22681
>don't poke
The "sleeping giant" was fucking them in the ass,. They had no choice else.

The war actually did a great thing in recognizing east asian power. The norm view was asians were lesser people, but higher than blacks. So japan being warmongering helped removed some of that image and normalized a bit of human perception centering asians. With the rise of China on global level, there will be even more humanizing(asians being seen as more human rather than gimmick) of asia.
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>>22710
>The Emperor, who was against making atom bombs, allows the development of a nuclear bomb.
Lol wut?
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>>22710
>The Emperor, who was against making nuclear weapons, allows the development of a nuclear bomb.
Lol wut?
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>>31154
>As were the German tanks before 41
but that's wrong
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>>23048
Manchuria was in the process or had been sinicized since they conquered China.


>>23113
Russia wanted part of China, Japan wanted that as well. Other european/american actors had their plan for China too. Japan didn't want to miss out and let Russia take the northern China. Taking Machu effectively meant Russians would have to take Japanese territory rather than Chinese. With semi-neutrality between Russia/Japan, Russians had backed off.
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>>23765
>costa rica leads the world in happiness
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>>42508
>The "sleeping giant" was fucking them in the ass
Because of imperialist war mongering. Stop empire building if you want American goods.
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>>43574
But senpai they were only following the example set by Western nations. How come the West can administer colonies but Japan can't?
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>>22610
>destroy entire navy
>set plans earlier to include aircraft carriers
>beef up defenses on islands
>employ many many kamikaze plans from people who cant join the army or navy due to defect or something of the sort
>win war smashing planes into US ships and also getting rid of japans undesirables

Whats my prize ?
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>>40167
What was the survival rate for US pilots at Midway?
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>>45493
Google it faggot
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>>43841
They can try, but they were obviously not strong enough to be a colonial empire.
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>>22681
Dude. They already tried and got their asses handed to them at Khalkin Gol.
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>>38682
it's considered a 15 year war because of when they invaded china but that doesn't mean Tojo wasn't in charge of it

you keep bringing up irrelevant shit to prove something blatantly false.
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>>42592
the emperor was a figure head and wasnt against atom bombs. No one except US was close to atomic bomb during ww2.
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>>23765
how do you get killed by lawnmowers.
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>>24648
>britain in the 1930s
>withdrawal from india
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>>37751
N-no
You can't be this retarded.
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Ally with the US
Don't go farther than Manchuria in mainland Asia
Don't go farther than the Philippines in the Pacific
Launch an invasion into the USSR with the help of the US.
Fight back the Nazis with US support.
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>>49103
*Launch the USSR invasion once Hitler starts Barbarossa.
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>>49103
why would the US help japan attack their ally

you dumbies need to realize US had isolation stance before war and didn't care about communism.
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>>23736
I guess it worked in the end; they delayed China's development by 50 years. But China is rising again so Japan basically had her empire scrapped for nothing in an attempt to prevent the inevitable
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>>23732
if they had given up on mainland china at least they would have kept korea, taiwan and the south pacific islands
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>>49454
US was anything but isolationist. It was pissed off at Japan trying to act like a big boy and was actively baiting Japan into a war. Here is a nonexclusive list of things the US was doing:
>station the pacfleet in pearl harbor
>start sending squadrons of B-17 bombers whose only purpose for being there is to bomb Japanese bases
>fortify and strengthen smaller garrisons such as Wake and Midway
>secretly form ABDA pact
>pressure the Brits and the Dutch to embargo Japan and freeze Japanese assets
>send weapons and military advisor to China
>embargo and freeze Japanese assets
US posture was very aggressive.
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>>49602
If France couldn't keep sparsely populated Algeria that they had controlled for over a century or Vietnam, there was no chance of Japan keeping Taiwan and Korea, which were far more populous, unified cultures that were also ideally located for receiving communist aid (which funded post ww2 anti-colonial revolutions).
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>>22681
More like end the war 5 years early brah
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>>23765
>quality of life

Not bad senpai
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>>49660
Those are FDR directives but the president isn't the US. The people and the legislative branch (responsible for declaring war) was firmly isolationist.
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>>49454
Japan could easily convince the US to support an invasion with "muh communism."

Sure the US and USSR were allies, but do you really think they were that close? The Cold War started almost immediately after WWII, and there was some animosity between Stalin and the US during the later years of the war.
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>>22681

>Don't poke the sleeping giant
>Invade the USSR

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>>50174
Those are not directives, those are things that actually happened. You want to know whether the US was isolationist? Well the things that it actually did sure as fuck wasn't isolationist.
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>>51190
Would it be correct to say that public opinion was isolationist, but the actual actions of the government weren't?
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>>51296
No. There was no public outcry over hundreds of overtly interventionist things the US gov't did, and FDR was reelected in 1940 by a landslide, running against another interventionist candidate. US was not isolationist in the years leading up to WW2, not in any sense of the term.
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>>50999
US was actively giving weapons to the Soviets. Meanwhile, it was also giving weapons to Japan's enemies. Now tell me if you think Japan can get the US to fight against the Soviets on its behalf by crying muh communism.
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>>51379
Was I lied to by my AP US History class?
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>>50999
No dummy US didnt care about communism at this time, why would they help japan invade USSR that's completely retarded and would never happen
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>>51379
yes there was you idiot

>hurrdurr if i say something on the internet maybe it will be tue

>>51190
>those are not directies those happened

golly you mean the president has the power to make directives about fleet moves happen? you are a moron
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>>31307
Not by Midway they weren't, at leastnot nearly as much as at the start of the war
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>>51379
FDR was re-elected for his leadership through great depression not because of foreign policy

do you actually know anything about pre-ww2 US? isolationism was very strongly held public opinion
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>>22899
too late m8, too many dead Chinese civilians
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>>31307
Battleship can attack a target around 20 miles at most, air carrier can launch attacks from over 100.
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Avoid getting nuked :^)
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>>23427
>don't build retarded huge battleships like yamato
>don't build any battleships at all
Japan built 2 battleships after WW1. They built 14 fleet carriers and several light fleet carriers.
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>>51678
Are you retarded? You think foreign policy was not a major issue in 19 fucking 40, when the US had drafted a million people and had approved massive military budgets?
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still continue chinese invasion. Instead of killing more chinese, enslave them, spy on US about new weapons systems especially tanks, negotiate about the embargo maybe US terms aren't that hard
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>>22610
I have waited a long time for this thread.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mgXApr19y7k
Here we go.
First and foremost, I try to ally Nationalist China. Start giving Kuomitang forces supplies, have a sit with Chiang kai Shek, show him I'm his friend. Wheter this initiative works or not, as I predict some posters will say it won't, it will have no impact on my long term plans.

After allying (or not allying) the nationalists, leak information the information to the communists so they decide to break the truce and attack kuomitang forces. Next, the air force bombards Soviet railways and roads in Siberia connecting the Russian west and the far east, thus unabling Ivan to supply commies in China and making an offensive against imperial forces in the region impossible. Unable to reinforce the far east, the Soviets won't be able to defend Kamachatka for long. That being said, a small invasion force should take it and seizing Vladivostok would earn Japan important natural gas resources. This is what I'd do about the Sovets and the Chinks.

But there's more to Asia than just that. I'd fund independence movements in western colonies like Vietnam and Malaysia and then invade them, "liberating" their peoples. These territorries have important resources like rubber, wood and population which should be used in forced labor camps to push the economy foward. I expect to see all of east asia under direct Japanese command. Then invade northern Australia to get their oil. This should supply us in the short term.

Next there is America. Evading it won't be good. It is better to neutralize it effectively. Attack Pearl Harbor. Don't use kamikazes in the Pacific. Invade Alaska and bombard railways connecting it to mainland North America to stop reinforcements. With Alaska invaded, its oil is ours and America has less oil now. Next we send a ship to cross Panama channel. Once crossed, destroy it. (to be continued)
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>>22610
Third wave.

Also don't fight 'murica. No way the Japanese would ever have beat America in WWII, they just didn't have enough manufacturing vs. the USA.
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This fleet has a carrier group which should be deployed to the gulf of mexico and fromm there bombard Texan oil fields. I'd also authorize kamikazes being sent against American icons like San Francisco bridge to lower american morale. Then after bombing Texans, sail to the strait between chile and antardida. there drop mines and sail back to the pacific so usa cant deploy naval reinforcements from the atlantic to the pacific
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>>22610
remain neutral by not joining the allies or axis. my people are happy in peace, asia will remain in peace, china will not go full commie in the future. and after the war japan will have a big and powerful economy and influence with my massive profit on producing war materials for both sides.
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>>23452
I hate this image, because they're 35 year difference between each picture, so there's obviously going to be a huge difference in development. Also, a lot of the pictures are obviously comparing the farming lower class and the urban upper-middle class, which isn't remotely fair.
It's a cheery picked manipulative meme image for weeaboo Japanese apologists. Only a fool would take it seriously.
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>>52385
>producing war materials with no materials
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>>52932
OP said.
>You are Tojo.
>The year is 1939.
US imposed a sanction in japan in 1941.
hirohito is neutral, japan do not enter war and not attack hawaii, so he wont get da sanctions.
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>>23765
>all the western countries generally lead in good qualities
>Africa leads in animal populations of animals native to Africa
Good job Africa really raising the bar
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>>22610
don't attack America
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>Create larger Carrier fleet and sell Battleships to Chinese (perhaps would be leverage in peace treaty). Divert funding to creating competent ground army with an integrated airforce.
>Set up Japanese coastal control of major Chinese cities and colonize them with Japanese citizens.
>Sign peace treaty with Chinese government so troops can be diverted elsewhere. If absolutely necessary give up coastal control but maintain naval supremacy
>Allow Chinese communists and nationalists to kill each other.
>attack Indonesia and British possessions capturing them easily (I assume this won't bring US into the war).
>Leave Australia/New Zealand alone because no economic reason to capture them.
>Without introduction of US troops in Europe hopefully Hitler can stem Soviet advance and peace is reached
>If a functioning Army is possible before said peace attempt to take portions of Siberia from Russia.

This entire plan hinges on American neutrality though, and presumes that the American government wouldn't attack if I invade Singapore/Hong Kong.
I don't even think direct military invasion was necessary because of the prevailing anti-western sentiment in East Asia, and gaining a large economic sphere in the area wouldn't have been hard.
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>>22610
Don't attack US or Russia if possible, and only go for easy targets.

Tell my men to use the radar we made up instead of fucking tall pagodas

Don't make aircraft carriers that resemble britain's and US's without any of the benefits, they're top heavy and aren't very well protected

Don't make a ship so big that most of it's history is being moved from port to port to refuel instead of fighting
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>>43841

It's not about whether they can or can't. It's not about getting the West's "permission" to become a conquering empire. It's a matter of being able to by strength and ability. Colonial empires are basically just based on the notion of might making right, and the strong being able to impose their will upon weaker countries.

If you're strong enough to impose your will by force on other nations and defend your holdings against other empires, then you can be an empire. But if you're not strong enough to play with the big kids, then maybe you should just sit the fuck down before you get hurt. You can't just whine and pout about how it's not fair that you lost and the big mean Western powers should've been nicer and let you have your empire. The Japanese Empire certainly didn't seem to have any problem with imperialism when they were brutalizing the Chinese and Koreans.
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>>51863
You're an idiot, it was a major issue but it wasn't why FDR was re-elected. Try learning about something before you spout bs next time.
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Don't sign the neutrality pact with Russia in 1941 and invade Russia with Germany.
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