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I know they were conquered but i was wondering who were the first TURKS in TURKEY. Even as slaves and servants that counts. I'm just in an argument with a Turkish nationalist right now.
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>>2903432
what is this cockroaches for ants?
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>>2903432
The first and last two are not Turkic.
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>>2903432
Turks or Turkic? As much as Turks like to pretend they're the same thing, they aren't, probably Khazar traders

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>>2903264
can I get a quick rundown on this guy?
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>>2903282

The most autistic man who ever lived.
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>>2903264
*giggles and chuckles as he speak*

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Leave Attila to me
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REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE STOP WINNING BATTLES
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Give me Dalmatia, Rufinus...
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We could have destroyed Alaric, Rufinus.

I want my province.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Padre_Pio

Oh.
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>veneration and intercession is the same as worship
That's like charging someone for sedition because they admire a founding father
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>>2903024
What's even so bad about worshiping saints?
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>>2903059
It's expressly forbidden in the Bible.

Did mongols and huns really ride ponies into battle?

How did Europeans stop themselves from laughing when they saw this?
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>>2902952
Never underestimate Asians, under all those 'cute' facades are a bunch of psychopaths
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>>2902977
Would the pony riders have been able to fight toe to toe against Rome at its height?
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>>2902990
Huns fought the Rome.

Mongols at its height would have fucked Rome. There's 1000 years of technological difference.

Was the genocide of Natives one of the biggest atrocities ever committed?
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>>2902818
no
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>>2902818

The Indians were brave the fought for like 300 years. Gota respect them.
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Not really. It was a war, not a genocide. People need to stop crying, the natives were literally doing the exact same shit to their fellow tribes. Boo-fucking-hoo

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Do Christians, Jews, and Muslims all believe in the same God? It depends on you ask, but a few Orthodox Jews I've talked to, while they believe Islam is a false docterine, believe that Islam worships the same God as Judaism. These people I've had conversations with go on to say that Christianity's emphasis on the trinity makes it not the same God as Judaism. Is this true /his/? How would you explain the trinity? More casual Jews in the reform/conservative branches I've talked seem to not care about it as much or seem themselves worshiping the same God in my experience.
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>>2902764
The difference with Christianity is that it emphasizes the Godliness of Yeshua part. This is essential to Christianity. Not believing that Yeshua is the son of God amounts to rejection of salvation and even God himself. To Jews this is blasphemy and Muslims probably see it the same but probably with less severity.
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>>2902885
>>2902764
>angels, intermediaries, subdivisions, emanations, Godhead
>monotheistic

Hasidic tradition holds that the divine consists of ten sefirot (attributes or emanations). This has been described as a strand of Judaism which may seem at odds with Jewish commitments to monotheism

Any belief that an intermediary between humanity and God could be used, whether necessary or even optional, has traditionally been considered heretical
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>>2902959
Yeah definitely a lot of variances but Muslims and Jews defer to a single entity while Christians have the added obligation keep the memory of the sacrifice and revere it which to them may be the same but to the Muslims and Jews is not. Islamic theology itself is probably the most tolerant even if it may have not always been the case in its practical implementation.

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>Hitler wants to attack Poland
>let's guarantee Poland, thus making Poles reluctant to the German demands and declare war on Hitler if he decides to attack
>Hitler attacks Poland, let's declare war on him thus guaranteeing a major European War that we worked so hard to avert
>let's do absolutely nothing to save Poland and let it get raped by Germans and Soviets while we sit behind Maginot Line and drop propaganda leaflets to the germans with our bombers
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Really makes you think
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>>2902734
>Let's walk 20 kilometers into the undermanned Rhineland and then give up and turn around
What the fuck was Frances problem?
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>>2902737
>2000 killed, wounded or sick
embarassing

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Is divorce the ultimate red pill?
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>>2902417
>red pill
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>>2902417
What do you get out if divorce?

>hur durr freedom from the womyn
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>>2902481
Of*

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Should we start having WW2 and Hitler generals?
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>>2902321
No!
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I think we need more discussion on hitler's flatulence problem
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>>2902330
If Hitler stopped farting so much, could Germany have seized the Soviet oil fields?

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Can /his/ help me gather a list of the highest-ranking men in the Third Reich? I'm trying to see which ones where punished and which ones weren't. But aside from the usual names (Hitler, Himmler, Goering, Goebbels, etc.) it's surprisingly hard to find a comprehensive list of all the highest-ranking German political and military officials. Preferably, I'd like to list the top 100. I've got 57 so far, which I'll list in the posts after this one (along with their fates) due to word limitations. Who else should be added to hit 100?
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>>2902310
[1/3]
Hitler's Inner Circle:

>1. Adolf Hitler [Fuhrer]: committed suicide.
>2. Herman Goering [Marshall of the Reich]: sentenced to death, then committed suicide.
>3. Heinrich Himmler [Reichsführer-SS]: committed suicide
>4. Walter Von Brautistch [Commander-in-Chief of the Army]: died in prison
>5. Joseph Goebbels [Minister for Propaganda]: committed suicide
>6. Wilhelm Keitel [Chief of the High Command]: executed
>7. Alfred Jodl [Chief of Operations Staff]: executed
>8. Karl Doenitz [Commander-In-Chief of the Navy]: imprisoned for 10 years
>9. Martin Bormann [Staff of the Deputy Führer]: killed during the war, sentenced to death in abstentia
>10. Rudolph Hess [Deputy Fuhrer]: died in prison
>11. Wilhelm Frick [Minister of the Interior]: executed
>12. Otto Thierack [Minister of Justice]: committed suicide
>13. Walther Funk [Minister of Economics]: imprisoned for 12 years, let out due to ill-health, died shortly after
>14. Albert Speer [Minister of Armaments]: imprisoned for 20 years
>15. Philipp Bouhler [Chief of the Chancellery of the Führer and SS-Oberst-Gruppenführer]: committed suicide

Reichskommissars:
>16. Josef Grohé (Belgium): imprisoned for 10 years
>17. Arthur Seyss-Inquart (Netherlands): executed
>18. Josef Terboven (Norway): committed suicide
>19. Hinrich Lohse (Baltics): imprisoned for 10 years
>20. Erich Koch (Ukraine): died in prison
>21. Siegfried Kasche (Moscow): executed
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>>2902310
>>2902328
[2/3]
Field Marshals and equivalents:

>22. Erich von Manstein: imprisoned for 8 years
>23. Erwin Rommel: committed suicide during the war
>24. Walther von Reichenau: died during the war
>25. Fedor Von Bock: killed during the war
>26. Erhard Milch: imprisoned for 10 years
>27. Albert Kesselring: imprisoned for 7 years
>28. Werner von Blomberg: died in prison
>29. Günther von Kluge: committed suicide during the war
>30. Wilhelm List: imprisoned for 7 years
>31. Gerd von Rundstedt: imprisoned for a few years, let out due to ill-health, died shortly after
>32. Hugo Sperrle: acquitted
>33. Erwin von Witzleben: committed suicide during the war
>34. Georg von Küchler: imprisoned for 8 years
>35. Friedrich Paulus: acquitted
>36. Ernst Busch: died in prison
>37. Paul Ludwig Ewald von Kleist: died in prison
>38. Maximilian von Weichs: never tried, lived to die of natural causes
>39. Wolfram Freiherr von Richthofen: died in prison
>40. Walter Model: committed suicide
>41. Ferdinand Schörner: imprisoned for 12 years
>42. Robert Ritter von Greim: committed suicide
>43. Hans-Georg von Friedeburg [Commander-in-Chief of the Kriegsmarine]: committed suicide
>44. Erich Raeder [Grand Admiral]: imprisoned for 10 years, let out due to ill-health, died shortly after
>45. Franz Xaver Schwarz [SS-Oberst-Gruppenführer]: died in prison
>46. Sepp Dietrich [SS-Oberst-Gruppenführer]: imprisoned for 12 years
>47. Kurt Daluege [SS-Oberst-Gruppenführer]: executed
>48. Paul Hasseur [SS-Oberst-Gruppenführer]: acquitted
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>>2902310
>>2902328
>>2902342
[3/3]
Reichsleiters:

>49. Max Amman [also SS-Gruppenfuhrer]: imprisoned for 12 years, stripped of all property and assets, died in poverty a few years after release
>50. Walter Buch [also SS-Obergruppenführer]: committed suicide in prison
>51. Richard Darre [also Reichsminister of Food]: imprisoned for 5 years, let out due to ill-health, died three years later
>52. Otto Dietrich [also SS-Obergruppenführer and Press Chief of Nazi Germany]: imprisoned for 5 years, let out early due to ill-health, died shortly after
>53. Franz von Epp [Reichsstatthalter]: died in prison
>54. Hans Frank [Governor-General of the General Government]: executed
>55. Konstantin Hierl [Director of the Reich Labour Service]: imprisoned for 5 years
>56. Robert Ley [Head of the German Labour Front]: committed suicide in prison
>57. Viktor Lutze [Stabschef]: killed during war
>58. Alfred Rosenberg [Leader of the Foreign Policy Office of the NSDAP]: executed
>59. Baldur von Schiaruch [Reichsjugendführer]: imprisoned for 20 years

Other:
>60. Reinhard Heydrich [Director of the Reich Main Security Office, also SS-Obergruppenführer]: killed during the war
>61. Ernst Kaltenbrunner [Director of the Reich Main Security Office, also SS-Obergruppenführer]: executed
>62. Joachim von Ribbentrop [Foreign Minister]: executed

Added a few more names while transcribing, so the initial number I gave in the OP is already off. Sorry. Anyway, any other names to put up?

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It's fucking stupid right?
I find it extremely difficult to accept that some hypothetical tribe in Africa, that's practicing human sacrifice, FGM/MGM, pedophilia and such, is not objectively inferior to lets say Norwegian culture.
What about the people being forced to suffer under their "barbaric" traditions?
Should we really just sit back and expect them to figure it all out on their own?
I get why it's used in historical studies, but i can't morally justify it outside of that
Please enlighten me
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Accepting cultural relativism is part of modern western culture, though.
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>>2902318
Which is exactly why they're objectively bbarbaric.
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Cultural relativism isn't really about that though.

It's the acknowledgement that what you think is valuable is subjective.

For example, I know Canada has a better quality of life by some objective measures, but I value the history and culture in my own country more than having a bigger apartment in a place I perceive as bland.

There may be a sense in which you can measure objectively what is better or worse, but the system of value you attach to things is relative.

Why does the pope fear death so much?
I don't get it ...
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because assassination attempts happen at all the time and riding around all willy nilly is a perfect opportunity for someone to kill you
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>>2902217
but why would he care if he believes in heaven and shit?
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>>2902219
being a catholic is a lot more than just believing in heaven

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Your thoughts on this book fellow /his/choolers?
I find it funny that many of the criticisms back then are invalid now as the environment has continued to degrade
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Anyone? I thought Jared Diamond was a meme here.
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It has a lot of the same problems as Guns, Germs, and Steel in that Diamond leaves out lots of things to make a point, and it's obvious he's writing out of his depth. It pissed off a bunch of anthropologists enough that a bunch of them put together a response book called Questioning Collapse to discuss some of the main things he got wrong. The main focus of the book is correcting some of his factual errors and reframing his scenarios to show that "collapse" isn't really a word that describes most of them.
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>>2901902
I haven't read the book. But from what the topic seems to be i recommend "Why nations fail"

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>Mongol Dicksuckers
why
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>>2901891
Wrong. It's just recognizing the truth. All governments today are practically based on the Mongols' rule. All successful ones, anyway.
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objectively speaking their conquests were glorious, the life of Genghis is an incredible story of rising from nothing to the heights of power just on personal skill. Subutai was in command in over 60 battles and was never once defeated.
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>>2901891
>while posting tojo paedo serbian image

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