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Ignorant people often attribute the complications in the middle east to culturally-insensitive westerners drawing bad borders. This is because they mistake colonialism in Africa, where this was the case, with colonialism in general. The borders of the middle east are not perfect, if such a thing is even possible, but definitely not "ignorant" or "insensitive". The colonists respected to the traditional geographic denominations and they respected the demographic situation in their territories. What they did wrong was imposing the concept of the nationstate in a region that (arguably) wasn't ready for it. Some people received nationalism with great enthusiasm and success, most notably the Israelis and the Turks, while others struggled. Some were thwarted by regional complications and power struggles (e.g. Armenians, Kurds, Assyrians). The Arabs struggled because the idea of a unified Arab state is far too ambitious and destabilizing for the rest of world to accept, and that's before we even begin to talk about the issues they would have to deal with between themselves.
The irony is that people who perpetuate the idea that the borders were "badly drawn" don't realize that they themselves are imposing the idea of the western nationstate on the middle east by judging the quality of middle eastern borders by how much they cater to the requirements of the western nationstate. Nationalism and the nationstates are not universal concepts, it was generated and codified by Europeans and spread to the rest of the world. Europeans themselves had struggled for a couple of centuries to bring about this change on their own continent.
The middle easterners never granted legitimacy to a state by how well it represented them as an ethnicity, they didn't live like this before the westerners taught this mindset to them, instead they rallied behind empires or were bossed around by dynasties who, mind you, often had "worse" (by western standards) borders than the colonists.
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>>2973802
I've attached a borderless map so you can draw your own borders if any of you still insist there are ways to draw the map to "fix" the middle east.
I myself realize that the borders aren't absolutely perfect and some adjustments could be made, but that's the case throughout the world. I think you will quickly come to realize that it's foolish to attribute the issues of the middle east to borders.
I also don't want you to believe I'm excusing the European powers' campaigns in the mideast. They are a great source of trouble, but supporting regime change and coups, funding dissident groups, etc., in contemporary times are far more problematic than the borders ever were.
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>>2973802
Also noteworthy is that the Arabs enthusiastically helped the Western countries boot out the Ottomans, so at least some portion of them were happy with the new borders.
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I love how the average 89iq will decry nationalism, whole the idea of abandoning the nation state for any other model fills them with dread. contemporary nationalists for some reason dont believe they are nationalists, because they dont understand difference between civic and ethnic nationalism..
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What made South Africa different? 2017-06-19 02:48:31 Post No.2973054
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What made South Africa different?
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Was South Africa run any differently than any other post colonial African state. Most of the other states also set up systems where by a small minority could make itself rich by exploiting the poor masses. I don't believe what they did was right, but to a certain extent I do believe the optics of it caused the international outrage to much greater than in other post colonial states.
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>>2973054
Wasn't South Africa originally colonized by Dutch people, but it was never a Dutch coloony?
If tthat's true then they had an adventage over other African colonies for a while because they could keep everything they found and amde to themselves.
Also control over the cape of good hope helped a lot.
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>>2973083
The Dutch colonized it, but then the Netherlands was overrun during the French revolutionary wars, so the Dutch settlers became cut off from the mother country. That's partly why Afrikaans, while very similar to Dutch, has noticeable differences, particularly in grammar.
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>>2973054
The white populace of the country viewed themselves and acted as natives of the country. Keep in mind that the Dutch lost possession of the Cape two centuries ago, meaning that the Boers were essentially isolated from their homeland under British rule, forcing them to develop an independent national identity, and they had time to do so. That's not even considering the fact that the Boers lived here for two centuries before that. This nationalist sentiment, tied geographically to the land, was reinforced by the two Anglo-Boer Wars, the second of which in particular left lasting scars on the Boer national psyche, resulting in a strong emphasis on defense of the people and the land.
This resulted in a strong, widely-supported government that could effectively utilise the ridiculously vast quantities of mineral and agricultural wealth contained within South Africa's borders, and developed well under British rule.
Hence the country lasting for so long under white rule. Racist national ideologies basically fell out of fashion with the rest of the world after the 60s or so though, and once the Cold War ended there was no reason left for foreign governments to deny the will of their anti-Apartheid public. Economic sanctions were really what brought the NP government to the negotiating table; any sort of armed uprising was really unfeasible - the Boers know the land just as well if not better than the blacks, and the national infrastructure was extremely well developed by African standards, while the military was about on par with Israel's.
You have to keep in mind that South Africa is one of the oldest and most successful colonies in Africa, the Afrikaners here are as rooted to the land as any other tribe on the continent.
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Historically speaking, has Islam always been so problematic?
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problematic for whom?
islam began as a way to unite the arab tribes into a military alliance against "oppressors'' (see: economic rivals) it worked really well because arabs are 89IQ
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>>2972970
It is not and has never be, except if you are a degenerate, now fuck off to /pol/ amerifag
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>>2972970
Not as much as christianity has been. Just ask the indigenous people of the East and Northern Europe, Americas, Subsaharan Africa, Southeast Asia, Oceania. In retrospect Islam has done maybe only a fraction of the damage christianity has done.
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One will protect you. The others will try to kill you.
Choose wisely.
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>>2972094
Obvious answer is Equite
>get on horse
>ride away
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>>2972094
Murmillo
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>>2972098
this
infantrycucks don't have ranged wepons
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Historical Figures you could beat in a fight
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dunno. we both have only one testicle, are the same height and probably have the same weight too. i think it would be a tie.
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>Why do you practice a certain religion
>Person gives a non-theological answer
When will this end?
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Because most people have neither the time nor inclination to dive into a lengthy theological debate because some random dipshit decided to question their belief.
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>>2970715
Why even believe in something if you can't explain why you believe in it?
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I follow catholicism like 10% out of faith, 90% out of tradition.
My family has been catholic since...well, as far back as I can find (roughly early 1600s...God bless the Dutch and their hard on for book-keeping).
Who the fuck am I to spit in the face of (at least) 400 years of religious tradition? Do I believe in all of it? Not really. I'm religious in the sense I believe in God, but that's about it. I just enjoy taking part in something I know has been a part of my bloodline for centuries.
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Was the british empire the most evil? 2017-06-18 08:15:25 Post No.2969880
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Was the british empire the most evil?
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Just ordered a book about this thought i see what people think
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>Magna Carta
>Bill of Rights
>Abolition of slavery
So evil
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>>2969880
>the Boer Wars
>WWII
Yeah I'd say so.
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>>2969929
>British Empire
>WWII
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When was the last time Swords were used in Modern Warfare? 2017-06-18 05:14:56 Post No.2969075
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When was the last time Swords were used in Modern Warfare?
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Since guns were made
When was the last time two soldiers fought each other with Swords?
How common is to use cold weapons in Modern Warfare?
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Some Russian and Japanese generals fought with Katanas during the Jap-Russian war
I think the Russian general ended up killing the Jap
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>>2969075
I wouldn't doubt a sword fight as late as the Vietnam war.
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http://www.telegraf.rs/english/1474153-the-world-trembled-from-his-sword-this-man-killed-japanese-samurai-in-an-epic-battle-video
I knew a greatson of him they are friends with the samurai family.
He is a sociopath and an asshole, practices TSKSR.
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>the American Civil War and the Taiping Rebellion took place concurrently
>there was a civil war in China being fought with spears and swords and bows at the same time as a civil war in America being fought with rifles and artillery and Gatling guns
Really makes you think, doesn't it?
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The Taiping Rebellion also killed 30 million people as a conservative estimate, compared to the American Civil War's 620K people.
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>>2963877
You need not only think but also get your fact straight. Taiping Rebellion was also fought with guns and cannons, just not as many as Western countries.
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>>2963912
One Chinaman's life is the equivalent of the lives of five hundred White men though, so it works out to be about the same.
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>Russian Women's Battalion of Death
>This first all-female combat unit initially attracted over 2000 enlistees between the ages of eighteen and forty, but Bochkareva's strict discipline and refusal to allow the formation of soldiers' committees soon drove out all but about 300 hardcore volunteers.
>Called into action against the Germans during the Kerensky Offensive, they were assigned to the 525th Kiuruk-Darinski Regiment and occupied a trench near Smorgon. Ordered to go over the top, the soldiers of the war weary men's battalions hesitated. The women, however, decided to go with or without them.
>Eventually they pushed past three trenches into German territory, where soldiers discovered a stash of vodka, which the women tried to break before they could be drunk.
>In his report, the commander of the regiment praised the women's battalion's initiative and courage.
Wew lad. All of the crazy russian aggro, without the drunkedness. Why didn't this catch on?
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Because 9 times out of 10 men will be superior soldiers. Your one anecdote doesn't prove otherwise.
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>>2976883
they also ran away during october.
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There is something oddly pornographic about being overrun by a company of bloodthirsty ruthless women out to kill and maim.
Why did it take so long for the first New Testament texts to appear and why was first church build some 300 years and bible made 300 years after Jesus death? From the time of Jesus there is really nothing that even indicates Christians existed.
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>>2976863
weak bait
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>>2976863
everything in this sentence is wrong
like, read something, anything, before making a thread
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>>2976863
>Why did it take so long for the first New Testament texts to appear
They were busy making up lies to cover up the truth, as the tradition is oral.
This is evidenced for the crazy train that is reading every gospel and not just the synoptic ones, read the apocryphals, read the gnostic texts and be amazed at the hallucinating travel that you will behold.
It's all filled with lies because we live surrounded by children of the devil whom sacrifice children to satan when they are bankers and very rich, you know, the things of the elite everybody forgets when they wanna tip their fedora.
How the chariot warfare actually looked like?
Did they actually fight in these things? Or maybe perhaps they used them for fast deployment and extraction of infantry analogous to modern APCs?
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>>2976725
Depends on who was using them.
I believe in the middle east they were proto-horse archers but in Celtic Britain they were used as you described.
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The Persians used them as assault units to break formations and scatter infantry. However i do say it must have been more effective to use regular cavalry.
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>>2976725
The Greeks lost the reasoning behind chariots and started to portray them as taxis in their plays.
You can see this in the Ilyad (if im not mistaken)
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How do you feel about a world Government? 2017-06-20 08:01:45 Post No.2976620
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How do you feel about a world Government?
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>Why the fuck is pic related so spooked by it
Personally i think it needs to eventually happen, countries fufilling the same roles as states do, but how would one go about governing such a body, and how would people prevent corruption on a literally global scale?
Also, people evidently believe in it on some level, as pretty much anything talking about Humans leaving Earth in science fiction/science fantasy has a singular body governing earth.
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>>2976620
It will happen long after we've started colonizing other planets, only when you start to see other planets identifying themselves in terms of a planetary ethnicity will the governments of the Earth be forced to unify to represent our planet. It'll never happen before then, barring the invention of the Mind Control Lazer.
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>>2976620
Because the systems on which the world is run are not to the benefit to humanity as a whole, but rather to an elite that regards itself as separate to the interests of the whole. Why would a global government be more capable or indeed more interested, in improving the average person's lot?
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>>2976626
>implying the mind control lazer isn't already in full operation
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The 1862 song "Kingdom Coming" is a light hearted pro-Union tune about a Southern slavocrat fleeing from the Union army, and his former slaves celebrating. They mock him, move into his manor, help themselves to his wine and cider, and lock their former overseer in a cellar before throwing the key down the well. My question is, in the context of real history, why would the slave owner be fleeing? In the song the narrator speculates that the slaver is going to try to escape the Union army by disguising himself. But what exactly would he have to fear other than his property and "property" getting confiscated, which he's already abandoning anyway? Did the Union army have a tendency of arresting or executing slave owners? Or is the song based on a false premise?
Pic unrelated.
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>Why would somebody flee from an invading aggressor?
Really motivated my macadamias
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>>2976599
Union armies fielded black soldiers, who would invariably murder any slave owners they came across.
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>>2976633
>who would invariably murder any slave owners they came across
Post proof.
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Was firing upon your army a common practice ? Say, you have a bunch of troop engaged in melee and then the commander decide to have the archer fire at whoever they fighting.
Did this kind of thing also happen during WWI ?
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>>2976559
>Did this kind of thing also happen during WWI ?
ever heard of creeping barrages?
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no it wasnt
artillery barrages or if you like archer duel/archer volley were to soften up the enemy before the main assault
then put fire further behind the line to suppress reinforcements/counter the enemy artillery
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