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A recent thread about a known matrilineal society in China had me thinking.
Right now I'm interested in a discussion about what type of cultures create patriarchy vs. matriarchy.
In my view, matriarchy is pretty ill defined and there is bias as to what it constitutes. Often it ends up mistaken as anything that "isn't a patriarchy" or "egalitarianism/elimination of gender roles," which is retarded.
It should be based on:
> women are the ones who inherit.
> women have the most influence politically or on wider society while men have less if any at all.
Here is my take: for a matriarchy to survive, large extended families are the only way to go. On top of that, it's imperative that the society NEVER grows to be that large, not that it could, but if some how it did, it wouldn't work well. It has to be a small tight knit community/village where most people who each other.
It also works so long as fathers don't have to play a big role in their children's development. This can be seen as sad,of course,though at least the children(males included) are getting all the love, instruction, and support they need from their uncles, aunts, and mothers. With the Mosuo,the mother actually knows the father of the child most of the time since serial monogamy. If not, it's actually seen as quite embarrassing, though overall, not the end of the world.
It's made possible by the fact the guy simply doesn't have to invest at all. In matriarchy, men will have less influence politically, even with their own kids, though often they may choose the extent.
It may or may not escalate to an extreme level(can't see the kids at all or polyandry).
I have yet to see extremes where mutilations such as castration take place for punishment or as a norm. Likely because of their necessity.
Also, chastity isn't a big deal for either gender.
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>Patriarchy
In many ways, it's the complete opposite with patriarchy. They are much larger,which only makes it better, and may or may not rely on the extended family. Many did and still do, but it's not necessary like matriarchies. Women will have less influence politically but are involved heavily with their children, even in cases of polygamy. Polygyny actually works better[than polyandry] in this way since each women only hast to invests in her own. Patriarchies often take or start off taking the lesser influence of women to the extreme, descending into something quite oppressive. This occurs at least temporarily until it advances to a certain point. Likely because it is the only way to keep the fathers invested in their children,as that is often the focus in such societies.
Thus, it DEPENDS on known paternity and if not present, the result is similar but varies in severity. Mild: no investment to the child and shaming of the mother (if not ostracized). Extreme: no investment because the child is literally killed, often along with the shamed mother and sometimes the actual father!
Chasity is important,mostly in women, though sometimes men too. Again, taken to varying extremes. Mild: girls must be virgins or face shame.
Extreme: girls must be virgins or face death.
There are varying levels of how it is reinforced. Sometimes hardly at all. Other times, it may go as far as having women forget about their own sexuality through the notion that apathy to sex is virtue and they shouldn't enjoy it TOO much, even in marriage; OR they are forced to be disinterested(FGM).
In either case, due to the efficiency and often necessity of gender roles in the harsh environments and pre-tech society, gender distribution of labor will be found.
Any agree or disagree feel free to discuss. Remember, a high level of discourse is expected.
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To add, I always ponder why simple refusal of child investment in the case of paternity fraud wasn't enough in patriarchies.The extreme ones had to go full primal mode and kill the offspring like male rats in a female rat's nest. Likely because of the investment that goes into providing the pregnant mother with resources. It's kind of circular reasoning though, since probably the reason why the mothers were reluctant to confess before having the babies despite the high risk of getting caught, is because they would be shamed and killed.
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I agree with some of this. Yet, I feel you misunderstand what patriarchy is. Any privileges -sexual, economic, ethical, etc.- that males have in any patriarchal society are arbitrary and culturally specific. Patriarchy doesn't necessarily imply breeding or nurturing rights, and biological approaches (such as pondering wether polygyny or polyandry are the most efficient way of controlling reproductive means) fall short.
I think patriarchy is perhaps the oldest institution there is, and since there are no ethnographical evidence of matriarchy ever happening, patriarchy is our one and only theoretical and practical framework. Moreso, matrilateral systems just determine the conduit of heritage as the mother, without fucking around with the underlying, ever present patriarchal value system.
Sounds discouraging, but in my opinion, trying to come up with the oppossite of patriarchy is just replicating the same old ways of thinking.
>a high level of discourse is expected
get your head out of your ass, bruv
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Francophones of /his/, how difficult was the language for you to learn?
I'm a native English speaker, but I've got a background in Latin from high school, and speak Spanish as a second language. I learned Spanish in college/live in Nevada, so it was pretty easy for me to learn. How do you guys feel about self-taught French? It seems a bit daunting as it's not as easy to immerse into French in America as it is Spanish, and I can't afford right now to take more classes. Opinions?
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>>3177875
I don't remember it was the first langage i was able to speak.
To learn english i just watched a bunch of movies and tv shows with subtitles, do the same thing with french.
Our entertainment is shit tho.
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>>3177875
Reading French isn't too hard, the words are always sideways similar. Speaking French is harder, the pronunciation is a lot different to the spelling if you read them as English words.
I am curious about when and how this shift happened, because they seem to have at one point just decided to not pronounce like 40% of the letters in a word but still bother to write them.
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>>3177875
I used to know some when I was really young because my grandma was cajun, but I forgot most of it and relearning it is pretty difficult for me
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Who was the second most powerful person in the Third Reich?
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>>3177868
The Japanese looking aryan fucker.
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>>3177868
Definitely not Rudolf Hess, that's for certain.
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>>3177868
Bormann
Is he right /his/?
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>>3177853
Yeah
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>>3177853
Nah
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I got an A- in a War and Society course I took at my somewhat prestigious state university, and I can say that he's fairly right.
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What was his endgame?
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being a fucking baller, basically
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theosis
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Why would you strangle, shoot, bludgeon, and poison a man before throwing him into a river?
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>britian could have ended the war in 43, saving countless lives
>didn't because ANTHRAX IS EBUL
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not even hitler in the final days even did that shit
but if someone like you thought they were being cute for opening that box then EVERYONE would have killed EVERYONE.
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>>3177833
*drops two nuclear bombs*
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>>3177838
everyone had chemical weapons
it would have been fucking apocalyptic
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How am I supposed to tell these Greek letters apart?
They're LITERALLY the same.
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i always leave a little hole at the bottom of gamma
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I've been playing Greek on duolingo and holy shit that spelling
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>>3177792
Can you also not tell the difference between v and y?
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How is your form of Christianity the one Jesus and the apostles originally founded?
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>>3177773
Some Fundie Baptists believe they're the descendants of the movement led by John the Baptist and that they were suppressed by the Catholic Church for centuries until the Reformation.
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>>3177773
We believe the connection is spiritual, not through physical institutions, manifested through the Roman Catholic Church and the similar Eastern Orthodox churches. Up until the 4th or 5th century, the Church of Rome became more and more susceptible to corruption and heavy bureaucracy, with questionable scriptural interpretations becoming predominant. The adoption of Christianity as state religion of the Roman (and then Western/Eastern) Empire had much to do with this.
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>>3177773
>Baptist theology
Pic related sums it up. They're not even pretending to be apostolic, they all think Jesus talks to them in their sleep or something and their psychosis somehow overrides millennia of tradition and theological doctrine.
Why didn't the aborigonal australians develop civilization? they could have local millet or spinifex as a staple crop and could have domesticated emus for eggs and meat.
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>>3177589
Peoples which didn't go through the Eurasian ice age never developed a high enough IQ to create civilizations (australians and sub saharans).
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>>3177606
>when white people arrive
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>dude lets borrow money and repackage it and re-repackage it and re-re-repackage in an array of extremely complex financial products we barely even understand but the math supposedly works out, then lets leverage it 30x-50x and spread and integrate it into everything until we lose track and charge fees for every step
Was the financialization starting in the early 80's a mistake? How does the common person benefit? Is it doomed to fail, it seems like it would've during the 2008 crisis but the government came to the rescue.
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>>3177502
You wot m8
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>>3177502
>government spending is the fault of those damn wall street financiers!
All "social democrat" faggots should be turned into fertilizer
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>>3177502
>Titling it "Obama Debt" when the ratio peaked right after GWB then fell during Obama.
What did the /pol/ack mean by this?
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What would happen if the Ottomans had managed a successful siege of Vienna either in 1529 or 1683?
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>>3177408
Vienna gets retaken since logistics was one of the causes of the Ottomans being unable to take it in those two dates.
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>>3177408
Unthinkable.
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>>3177408
In my alternate history comic they do take Vienna in 1529.
What's the reason for Turkey's blatant rejection over the Armenian genocide? Is it because it was the Ottoman Empire and they don't believe it involves them? Turkey doesn't consider it genocide because it was during World War I? Do you think they ever will admit it?
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>>3177375
You cant really admit to things that never happened
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>>3177375
Didn`t happen.
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what genocide
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if you had the chance to temporarily travel back to any date (as an unseen and unharmable entity) what date would you choose?
Id choose 14 oct 1066 at the battle of Hastings
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>>3177354
3000 BC, Pontic steppe
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Jerusalem, 33 AD
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Some little music hall on the Chitlin' Circuit pre WWI where I'd listen to one of the most influential voices in American music history, well before her recordings with paramount, still in her prime, and unfettered by the shoddy quality of recording technology of the day.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yRyaUcVfhak
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When will those jap cunts apologize for comfort women?
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>>3177318
Why should they apologize? "comfort women" is just Zionist fake news propaganda that has been used to demonize Japan because Japan wouldn't go along with the Zionist agenda in the 1930s.
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Why the fuck is that a gift?
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Does Japan apologize about anything?
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what history is the best
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>>>/k/34727205
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>>3177287
Kangz
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>>3177287
Le off the karots bogs