Is there such a thing as objective historical distance? Does 25 years guarantee an evincing of "factual data" or linear historicized truths any more legitimate than the bias of the "moment" would?
25 years ago marked the end of the Cold War era; it think that is why it was chosen.
>>37270
>any more legitimate than the bias of the "moment"
Of course they're more legitimate. More data can be scrutinised by various people from differing backgrounds. At the same time if you leave things too late then you have people with completely alien cultural standards making moral judgements and making basic errors.
>>37270
There's no clear cutoff date, of course, but yes, generally more recent events fall under political science category.
How did people know where to sail in Oceania and the Pacific?
Did they just get lucky to stumble upon remote places like Hawaii or do you think countless migrations were lost for that one success?
>>37241
I don't get this at all either.
I understand that if they were good sailors they could find a place once they knew it was there, but did they make a habit of sailing WAY out into the middle of nowhere just to see if they'd find anything? That sounds utterly mad.
They would sail out looking for new lands and use the stars to navigate back if they didn't find something. Probably lots and lots of them never came back.
>>37306
Humans do tons of crazy things.
Since most threads on alternate history so far have been on whether Japan could take on the US, I wanted to know if Japan was even able to take on their most imminent enemy, the Chinese. Say the US didn't oil embargo Japan and didn't send any volunteers or equipment to the China, could Japan even have finished China? Japan had far superior equipment, but China obviously had more manpower. China also retreated into it's mountain ranges. Their new capital Chongqing was in the mountains for example.
Japan really fucked China, they even used biological and chemical warfare, but it still seems like it reached a stalemate in 1942. I think China is to Japan what the USSR was to Germany.
>>37077
China was on the brink of capitulation until American loans propped up Chang.
>>37117
China wasn't even united at the time. There were multiple Chinese forces independently holding out,
>>37117
Did countries even stop fighting when they're out of money? The UK had a HUGE wardebt, but they didn't stop fighting.
Why do people idolise the Vikings so much? On a similiar note, who do you think are the most underrated or overlooked people in history?
>>37057
The original Newfoundlander
Aye b'ys
>>37057
>Why do people idolise the Vikings so much?
They're pretty much edgy european knights that aren't Christian so they are more relatable to the multiculti politically correct hordes.
>>37057
People in western civilization, whether they realise it or not, idolise them because they represent a much society where strength, courage and merit counted for a lot more. They were a small group of "savages" living in a frozen shithole who managed to build a trading Empire, challenged the mightiest civilizations in Europe at the time and accomplished unprecedented feats of navigation for their era. Also they're Metal as fuck
Most Underrated: Probably the pre-Colonial era South American civilizations.
ITT: Only the greatest mustaches.
does mine count?
Why has Europe been the most important continent since 1200 AD?
This is to bypass geographic determinism since India and China were very similar.
>>36734
Why not China or India?
>since India and China were very similar
what?
>since India and China were very similar
Have you ever looked at a world map even once?
What does /his/ think of Napoleon Bonaparte?
Greatest general ever
>>36777
>Russia
>>36712
9.5/10 military general, possibly GOAT
7/10 political strategist
Ultimately he was too concerned with trying to join the nobility, and failed to realize that no matter how many battles you win, it will not grant you respect from the aristocracy.
What revolution was more important, the french or the american one ?
While the french revolution seems more symbolic, the american one was more successful.
>>36470
Important for what end?
>merchants overwhelm the aristocratic class
>call it a revolution
>>36488
This, you can't just say what one is more "important" without stating what it's specifically more important to.
>historical figures no one cares about.
Arguably the most important moment in English history.
>>36352
I totally agree with you on that anon
>>36313
And he was one of the best.
Diriliş Ertuğrul is a Turkish historical adventure television series that takes place in the 13th century and centers around the life of Ertuğrul, the father of Osman I, founder of the Ottoman Empire and focuses on the kayı tribe.
With the Mongol invasions, oppression and slaughters, Turkic tribes flee from Central Asia. The Kayi tribe is one of Oghuz Turkic people with four hundred large nomad tents settling in Anatolia. But they get through a difficult time due to famine. All these nomads want to migrate to a better place where they can start a new life. Suleyman Shah is the leader of the Kayi tribe and his two sons Gündoğdu and Ertuğrul are reliable to him.
Ertuğrul is a young brave man and the younger son of Suleyman Shah. He often goes hunting with his three close men. One of these days, they come across prisoners taken by the knights of the Knights Templar. Ertuğrul and his three men save the lives of a young girl named Halime and her family from the knights and kill them all. They bring them to their tribe without knowing their true identity. Halime and her family belong to a noble family of the Seljuk Empire and were to be executed if Ertuğrul did not save them. Due to the fear of being caught, they do not reveal their true identity. However, their arrival brings new difficulties to the Kayi tribe: the Seljuk Empire is threaten to have war if they do not let their guests go and the Knights Templar is seeking for revenge. For this reason some nomads start to blame Suleyman Shah for not being able to be a good leader. This suits up well for Kurdoğlu, swore brother of Suleyman Shah, who has a hidden agenda. Suleyman Shah takes action and sends Ertuğrul on a vital mission for finding new land. For this reason, Ertuğrul and his three men go to Aleppo in order to make an agreement with the Sultan. They set off a chain of events that ultimately will lead to the founding of the Ottoman Empire.
Here's a good video trailer of the show
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FbpTo5azMJA
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>>36319
you guys really should watch this, don't just dismiss this video, it's pretty cool in terms of a historical re-enactment
Eng subs, pls
Meanwhile, in Roman /his/...
sup pater familias, et tu be honest?
>>36272
>Watching legionnaires in cisalpine Gaul
>Non Est Me starts playing
Talk about gods, heroes, creatures, monsters, etc
Which mythology do you enjoy the most? No need to limit yourself to norse and greek.
http://strawpoll.me/5892279
http://strawpoll.me/5892279
http://strawpoll.me/5892279
>>36138
>Which mythology do you enjoy the most?
Slavshit. I like how it has many shared elements with Hindu stuff while maintaining a unique feel
>Laima is a Baltic goddess of fate. She was associated with childbirth, marriage, and death; she was also the patron of pregnant women.One of the most important duties of Laima is to prophesy (Lithuanian: lemti) how the life of a newborn will take place. Sometimes there was only one Laima, while in other cases three laimas would give often contradictory predictions. The final pronouncement would be irrevocable and not even Laima herself could change it
>>36138
>mythology
>not having Egypt
The bible is the greatest history book ever. What is his favorite story from the good book?
>>36097
>The bible is the greatest history book ever.
30 Lot and his two daughters left Zoar and settled in the mountains, for he was afraid to stay in Zoar. He and his two daughters lived in a cave. 31 One day the older daughter said to the younger, “Our father is old, and there is no man around here to give us children—as is the custom all over the earth. 32 Let’s get our father to drink wine and then sleep with him and preserve our family line through our father.”
33 That night they got their father to drink wine, and the older daughter went in and slept with him. He was not aware of it when she lay down or when she got up.
34 The next day the older daughter said to the younger, “Last night I slept with my father. Let’s get him to drink wine again tonight, and you go in and sleep with him so we can preserve our family line through our father.” 35 So they got their father to drink wine that night also, and the younger daughter went in and slept with him. Again he was not aware of it when she lay down or when she got up.
36 So both of Lot’s daughters became pregnant by their father.
Are there any documentaries about WWII that acknowledge the fact that Nazi Germany started the was together with Soviet Union, fighting side by side and that both regimes were just as brutal and that Soviet alliance with the West proves that the war wasn't a simple good vs evil case?
It seems that most modern documentaries are ashamed of that and usually ignore anything involving USSR before 1941 or talk about some bullshit "lesser evil."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t0E_Ewe8g2Y
Based on the book '1939: The War that had many Fathers' by Schultze-Ronhof, a recommended read too.
>Ronhof talking about the varous diplomat records leading up to WW2, painting a more accurate picture of what happened based on then contemporary government recordings ( including the German, English, American, French, and Soviet governments), rather than relying on questionable Nuremberg Trial Evidence, or anecdotal evidence
https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=553&v=HBLgZAv_Iqo
>Notes on The German 'White Book' containing the diplomatic information Ronhof uses in his work:
https://archive.org/download/GermanWhiteBookOnPolandLastDaysBeforeWwii/GermanWhiteBookLastDaysPolishCrisis.pdf
>Explanation:
This video is very important, as anyone can go and view these sources he cites to translate and read, housed in government archives.
Ronhof sets the context for the pre WW2 period properly, by examining the facts about German re-armament (the fact that the combined non-reserve military forces of the neighbouring countries on Germany's borders outnumbered Germany's army 12 to 1 in 1933. Ronhof also qualifies this by explaining that Belgian, Czechoslovakian, Polish, French, and Latvian troops had already come into German territory during peacetime, violating the various treaties that were signed).
Ronhof also explains that from psot WW1 to WW2, Europe was never free of localised wars and tension between many European countries. Ronhof rightly details that in this period, Poland and the Soviet Union had a war, Poland and Lithuania had a war, France and Italy had territorial disputes, Denmark and Norway had territorial disputes, Italy and England had territorial disputes, Yugoslavia and Austria had territorial disputes, Germany and Czechoslovakia had territorial disputes, Hungary and Czechoslovakia had territorial disputes,Poland and Czechoslovakia had territorial disputes, Spain and Italy had territorial disputes, Italy and Albania had territorial disputes.
Part 2:
The consideration here, is that we are often not told of this context so it makes the German territorial disputes seem worse or somewhat done in isolation, when this is entirely not true.
Winston Churchill alludes to the legitimacy of the long standing Danzig corridor debate in 1932, in a speech:
"The removal of the just grievances of the vanquished ought to precede the disarmament of the victors. I hope I have made that quite clear. To bring about anything like equality of armaments, if it were in our power to do so, which it happily is not, while those grievances remain unredressed, would be almost to appoint the day for another European war—to fix it as if it were a prize fight. It would be far safer to reopen questions like those of the Danzig Corridor, and Transylvania, with all their delicacy and difficulty, in cold blood and in a calm atmosphere and while the victor nations still have ample superiority, than to wait and drift on, inch by inch and stage by stage, until once again vast combinations, equally matched, confront each other face to face." - Winston Churchill, 23rd November 1932. - http://hansard.millbanksystems.com/commons/1932/nov/23/debate-on-the-address
For those that do not know, Hitler proposed to Poland that economically, Danzig should remain a part of Poland, but politically, it should remain a part of Germany. Hitler requested an autobahn from Germany, to Danzig, citing the previous routes that were destroyed post-WW1 that helped both Poland and Germany economically. Hitler offered Poland the Memel region which had been recently annexed by the Reich, in exchange for a route to Danzig. In 1939 Hitler proposed an ultimatum as the superpowers were intentionally not intervening to help Hitler with this humanitarian crisis, in most cases, refusing to believe the legitimacy of the crisis.
>lurk on this board
>nobody obeys the rules
>obvious politics being discussed
>nobody uses good arguments
>trolling
>blatant racism
>shitposting
>propaganda
This board exists for about 6 hours now? and its already turned to pure shit and cancer.
Good job 4chen. You have proven yourself yet again.
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Now lets make a good thread.
How could Switzerland remain neutral in World War 1, World War 2, and the Cold war?
In WW1, and WW2 some other countries also wanted to be neutral, but they got invaded and shit on.
Now a days Switzerland isn't even part of the European Union.
Why is Switzerland among the richest countries in the world?
https://www.finma.ch/de/news/2015/10/mm-tbtf-20151021/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_banks_in_Switzerland
https://www.uek.ch/en/schlussbericht/synthesis/ueke.pdf
http://www.henrymakow.com/the_secret_of_switzerlands_suc.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Switzerland_during_the_World_Wars
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neutral_powers_during_World_War_II
http://history-switzerland.geschichte-schweiz.ch/timeline-switzerlands-history.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_Swiss_history
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Switzerland
During the World Wars Switzerland exported weapons, ammunitions and other goods to all sides of the war.
Not only that but the Swiss banks since the world wars towards this day holds the money of many governments and companies all over the world.
Please do NOT respond if you have not read the above sources or have some good knowledge on the subject matter. I am not voicing my opinion here, I am just asking questions (wich hopefully we can discuss in a civilised manner). In any case I want you to think for yourself and draw your own conclusions.
>>35749
>So lests make another thead about the WWs!
OP, you have to report posts that break the rules. The mods are doing a good job cleaning this board up but you have to help by reporting shitposting or racism.
No one needed to cross Switzerland.
It's some kind of fortress, a lot of men would be needed.
Why the fuck would you attack them.