Let's talk about Latin American history, Columbus-Present
>inb4 what history
WOO SAN JACINTO! REMEMBER EL ALAMO! GIT SUM!
>>71516
what happened?
>>72046
independance was a mistake
This is the Borderline General.
>Borderline? What's that?
The board rules state that anything discussed on this board must be at least 25 years old. The Borderline General is for discussion of anything exactly 25 years ago.
It's 2015, so until New Years Day, the discussion topic is the year 1980.
I'll start off with an easy one - The Empire Strikes Back made its theatrical debut in 1980. What do you think it was like to see it brand new? If you were there, how did people feel about it?
>>71390
My dad told me he waited all day for it, after a pal saved a spot for him in line the night before. It was a big fuckin deal obviously.
>>71452
What was his reaction to the Darth Vader reveal?
it should be 15 years
we cant discuss the gulf wars
What went wrong?
>>71365
Fighting on two fronts.
Having a meme emperor.
>>71365
0 allies, low man power, decadence etc..
being a 1000 year old empire in the pretty much modern age does that.
Can we have a thread about the origins of various holidays?
I'll start. Christmas is pagan.
>>71134
They timed Christian holidays to pagan holidays so pagans didn't have to do much cultural transitioning with this method in place.
Independence day (July 4) is Marxist.
Halloween is Buddhist
Tell me about Aztecs and Mayans
>>71120
they got rekt by europeans
Mayan>>>>>>shit>>>>>Aztecs
>>71120
Aztec drinking age was 40-50, with violations punishable by death.
Pauline Silence is the observation that St. Paul does not mention much about the life of Christ in his epistles. Carrier believes this indicates Jesus was not an historical figure.
Ehrman argues a couple point about this:
>Christianity was not focused on the life of Christ as this was before the Gospels were written
>Paul does in fact mention several important things: the crucifixion, resurrection, the apostles and Jesus' kinsmen, that Jesus was born of woman, from the line of David, etc.
>The life of Jesus simply wasn't very important to early converts; rather, what was significant was how Jesus fulfilled the Old Testament prophecies
Ehrman's points are further validated by Acts, in which the focus is once again the same: Jesus' life is very secondary to his death and resurrection, as well as his fulfillment of the Scriptures.
Obviously Carrier is a hack fake scholar who sells atheist "spirituality" books, so it's not really a discussion, but the Pauline Silence is extremely interesting to me.
Thoughts?
Well, an important thing to note about Paul's writing was that they were letters to churches and were written to clear up disputes about practice. Paul was writing about things in debate, and certain things that were common knowledge or weren't relevant to the topic weren't worth writing about. That explains a lot of the "silence."
And, like Ehrman says, early Christianity really doesn't seem too focused on the life of Jesus. Mark, which is probably the earliest Gospel, is the shortest and doesn't really say much about the life of Jesus.
Reviews of Carrier's use of Bayes Theorem (lol):
>To convincingly make [the] case Bayes theorem can advance history one needs lots and lots of worked-out examples. Unfortunately the book contains nearly none of these, and I would say the only time it tries to venture into the historical method -- the case of the criteria of embarrassment -- it does so in a fashion that is both distinctly non-Bayesian and without a way to encode something is actually embarrassing to the author.
>I will admit after six readings I am still not quite certain what exactly is being argued above and put generously I think it is another example of the book's sometimes less than lucid style of writing.
>As a mathematician, I really must object to Carrier's fast-and-loose treatment of mathematics and logic. While Bayes Theorem is a well established part of statistics, his methods press well beyond the confines of any form of axiomatic probability theory. Most irritating was Carrier's insistence that proving something to be unlikely is equivalent to proving something false. In general, heuristic arguments are not only invalid but also useless from a purely logical framework. One can easily conjure up a wide array of theorems in mathematics that hold true in spite of rather damning heuristic evidence, such as the Banach-Tarski Paradox. I would consider his entire premise suspect, due to his insistence on applying subjective quanities to an objective theorem and general lack of mathematical rigour.
>>71361
kek Carrier is such a hack. Atheists latch onto him because his books sound convincing, but they are the lowest, most deceptive form of pseudo scholarship. This is why atheists should not be welcome on this board.
>muh bad mouthing religion
>muh fast and loose facts
>muh religion is the cause of all problems
>muh Christ Mythicism
Was there more to it than economic interests?
Is there resentment still present?
Haha, I sure do love the countrysquare comics :)
>>71076
Its all about power m8.
>>71076
>Is there resentment still present?
absolutely. however most iranians harbor resentment towards the british for this event. in fact, the Iranians are huge proponents of the "eternal anglo" meme. the brits are behind every negative event in the Iranian psyche.
>Implying Scottish history isn't very interesting and overlooked
>>71004
>Be Scottish
>Get walled in by Romans
>Fight England a ton
>Try to build colony
>Everyone dies
>Run back to England for help
That's fucking it
100% of Scottish history is just individual achievements. Lots of great literates, scientists, inventors etc but as a collective they fucking suck dick.
HAE MYND O CULLODEN MUIR
>Sengoku jidai, a country at war
>Japan is ruled by an emperor who is mostly ceremonial and delegates power to the shogunate
>The seii taishogun, "The Great Barbarian-Quelling Generalissimo" is the highest military rank attainable
>Daimyo, lords of provincial vassal states, swear allegiance to the shogun
>The Onin War began as a dispute over the throne, as the ruling Ashikaga clan had no heir
>For more than 100 years Japan will see bloody civil war threaten to tear the country apart
>Enter Oda Nobunaga, his strategy and bravery prove his worth to his men
>Nobunaga forged alliances with other Daimyo clans, or conquered his enemies by the sword - slowly unifying Japan
>Nobunaga was betrayed and killed by one of his generals
>Toyotomi Hideyoshi, a lowly footsoldier Nobunaga promoted to general, takes revenge and picks up Nobunaga's ambition where it left off
>Hideyoshi succeeds in unifying Japan, but due to his peasant status, cannot become shogun
>After Hideyoshi dies and overseas campaigns are lost, the Toyotomi clan is weakened politically
>Tokogawa Ieyasu, the only surviving ally of Nobunaga, seizes political power in the Battle of Sekigahara and becomes seii taishogun
>The Tokogawa Shogunate cuts off Japan from the rest of the world and ushers in a new age of peace and totalitarian rule
>Nanban trade, or, the Southern barbarian trade
>it’s the Age of Discovery, Ferdinand Magellan sailed due west to find the East Indies and discovered a western passage in 1522, the first circumnavigation of Earth
>The Portuguese now know a route to the exotic region of Japan
>When Portuguese carracks reach the southern shores of Kyushu, locals are stunned
>Daimyo send officials to meet these foreigners, and the Portuguese show off their guns
>The daimyo order immediate replication of these western weapons
>The Portuguese also bring Christianity to the region
>The cultured Japanese used chopsticks to eat, while the barbarous Portuguese often used a knife and their fingers
>While some Portuguese introduced Catholicism, others enslaved Southern Japanese
>Hideyoshi was enraged at this practice and demanded that it stop
>Enslavement and frictions with Christianity eventually lead to Japanese seclusion of Sakoku
>Sakoku lasted over 200 years, from 1633 to 1853, to which the Dutch were the only exception
>In 1853, a senior ranking Navy officer, Matthew C. Perry was assigned a mission to explore and survey the far east
>The main objective of the mission is to open Japan up to trade and diplomatic relations
>Commodore “Father of the Steam Navy” Perry takes 4 ships into hostile, but militarily inferior Japanese waters
>Seclusion left Japan technologically behind, they described the steam ships like dragons belching smoke into the sky
>After refusing to leave, the Japanese tell Perry to take his ships to Nagasaki, where limited trade with the Dutch did occur
>Instead, Perry proceeds towards Edo, demanding the Japanese receive a letter from President Filmore
>The Japanese can but awe at the American Maritime Might and accept these demands or face utter annihilation
>After receiving the letter from President Filmore, Perry promises to return
>No fortifications to Edo can withstand Perry’s seven steam ship fleet when he returns in the next year
>Not satisfied with any local representatives, Perry demanded to speak to the shogun, Tokogawa Ieyoshi
>The shogun would not suffer such an insult and sent his high ranking officials in his stead
>At first, the Japanese only conceded to aid shipwrecked Americans and supply absolute necessities like coal, to American Naval ships
>Commodore Perry insisted Japan and America come to an amicable trade agreement that would benefit both nations, eventually Japan agreed
>The warrior diplomats avoided violence and came to forge the Treaty of Kanagawa, which would end Japan’s 200 year seclusion
Do you think that Tokugawa Shogunate's isolationism had any benefits or did it just leave Japan weak to outside influence two centuries later?
Everyone loves knights, but what do /his/torians think about their predecessors, the Cataphracts?
>>70880
Cataphract isn't a predecessor of knights, sometimes they were contemporaries and besides that a knight is a title a cataphract is just the function.
>>70880
Knights ARE cataphracts.
>>70950
Not really. A cataphract despite the similarities with a knight, were professional soldiers who were employed as low level nobles in the Persian armies for example.
A knight was not that.
What was the best royal dynasty in history?
>best royal dynasty
>implying you can pick a favourite incest-ridden benefit-claiming liberty-destroying freak show
Habsburgs
>>70852
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1mG3BvkT6YQ
>>70735
reminder
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fl_r7rIcds8
I don't really understand how they managed to install a commie state in Germany without more outcry from the citizens.
>not posting the best song
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ic6ljhy9JE
Something I've been wondering forever: why is the Greek demigod Heracles almost exclusively known by the name of his Roman equivalent, Hercules? Just about every other Greek mythological figure is known by their Greek name, but practically nobody says Heracles when referring to this figure.
I once asked a mythology professor I had in college about it and she literally just said "I dunno."
>>70726
What about Neptune?
>>70741
Poseidon is a very well known name.
>>70726
I personally think Hercules is catchier. Same way that Zeus is more memorable than Jupiter, or Hades and Pluto (because, let's face it, what comes first to mind of the everyman, the celestial dwarf/planet, the god, or the cartoon dog?).
Find a flaw
>>70724
He's a Turk
His legacy is no longer respected. His whole ideology was imposed through top-down authoritarianism.
>>70724
not a marxist
Can you guys post some history and legends about Gypsies/Romany?
I'm taking a class about their language and culture in Spring and would like to find out more about them.
>>70718
https://www.youtube.com/v/watch?v=iiTE3tfe7qM
>gyppo """"""""culture""""'""
Don't do it to yourself
>>70718
Their culture, like everything else they have, has been stolen from someone.
Fucking gypsies, man