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Two Rabbis read the Torah and come to different conclusions because of their interpretation of some minor point scripture
>The Two Rabbis get into a long argument with each other which goes on for decades much to the annoyance of their families
Two Christian Priests/Ministers/Whatever read the bible and come to different conclusions because of their interpretation of some minor point of scripture
>(Before 1800) The two priests decry each other as agents of Satan seeking to lead people to ruin, denounce each other as heretics and attempt to have the other burned along with all his writings
>(After 1800) the two priests think of each other as agents of Satan seeking to lead people to ruin but refrain from having him burnt as that is not done these days, instead they get into long winded arguments which go on for decades much to the annoyance of their families.
Two Muslim Imams read the Koran and come to different conclusions because of their interpretation of some minor point of scripture
>The two Imams decry each other as agents of Satan seeking to lead people to ruin, denounce each other as heretics and attempt to have the other burned along with all his writings
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>>473293
the key is cutting the tip off of your penis
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Second Mormonism when?!
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>>473293
I'm noticing a pattern here

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Memes aside, what is your opinion on Marx and his work?
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>>473149
An incredibly deep and prolific thinker, and one of the most important in history.
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A detailed analysis of history ending up being useless at predicting the future.
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>>473179
>predicting the future

THIS IS THE EXACT OPPOSITE OF MARX'S THEORY, STOP SPOUTING MEMES, READ THE FUCKING MANUAL

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Were the Byzantines actually Roman? If the religion, location, culture, military and government were different than are they any different than the other empires who claimed to be the heir to the Roman Empire?
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Yes of course. When the empire split in 395 the Bynatines were the eastern half. Bynatium was a name created after the fall for historcal records to tell the difrance after the fact.
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One could aruge after the adoption of greek in the 600s that they were no longer roman though.
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As the first anon who replied said, of course they were Roman. However, the Greek cultural influence slowly won out over the centuries.

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After watching the documentary series "making a murderer" i have a lot of questions about the whole jury system in murrica.
Its a "classic" story about the american court system failing massively, not only because one of the defendents couldnt pay 100 thousands of dollars for a lawyer, but i think mainly because the whole case is decided by 12 random people with no expertise.
As a german, the whole jury system is pretty alien to me. In germany we have 1 judge in smaller cases and 3 judges in more serious, violent crimes. Myself and many germans prefer it that way, but i know many americans find this system absurd.

How can you give so much power to 12 completey random people?
Now this is gonna sound weird, but why cant jurors ask questions during the trial? They potentionally decide to kill someone, so every detail should be explained to them until they understand it perfectly. Maybe even until some third party is convinced the juror actually understands.
Refering back to the documentary, some people just arent very smart, actually fuck that, some people are really fucking stupid. They dont grasp the concept of evidence and proof, they dont understand reasonable doubt.
jurors decide not to talk it through as long as it takes, because they wanna go home, cuase they got shit to do.
People have issues with racism, prejeduice, get influenced by emotions etc. They can even decide that despite it being absolutely 100% clear that the defendent did it, to let him walk free, for no reason.
Do you think if we could just implement a completely new justice system tomorrow, someone would defend the jury system over something like 1 judge, multiple judges, a jury made up out of lawyers and judges, maybe juror as a completely standalone job, you'd still have to study law to some extent.
All of these systems have problems and flaws, but less than "just let 12 randoms decide whatever they want ignoring facts and law alike"
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>>472475
I watched that doco as well recently, pretty fucking scary something like that.
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>>472475
the whole point of the American justice system in trials is to have a jury by "peers" these people do not need to necessarily be the brightest or the best, it goes into the requirements that the guilt must be beyond reasonable doubt to convict someone, so what is reasonable doubt is dependent on ones peers
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>>472475
You'd be better off asking in reference to a Westminster Common Law system rather than a semi-code civil system like the US.

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Explain whiggism as used typically on this board. My looking into it does not result in something that makes contextual sense.

Pic unrelated.
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>>472416
Herbert Butterfield (1965) The Whig Interpretation of History
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>>472433
OP said 'explain,' not 'Point me to a document I can spend hours reading.' If you don't want to discuss these things, I don't understand why you would post on this board (aside from a ghoulish desire to argue with people and give Australian historiography a bad name) or work in an academic and (at least conceptually, so on the one level that matters to you) education-related setting.
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>>473435
Pay me and I'll treat you like an undergraduate.

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Let's talk about how the British control our "just us" system using fraud, identity theft, violence, and non disclosure. "there is nothing so fearful as ignorance in action" this judge wants to buck the system and I spent the last 3 years verifying everything she's taking about.
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When corporation and state are merged is called Fascism
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"A statute is a legislated rule of a society given the force of law."
So tell me, what is the name of your society?
If you can not name a thing it ceases to exist.
If I say I'm going to my friends house, and you say oh which friend what's her name?
If I can't answer, do I really have a friend? No.
So someone a answer this very simple question.
What is the name of your society?
Think about it, ask your parents, ask your friends, ask everyone you know, I promise no one can answer.
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>>472402
>What is the name of your society?

"[National proper adjective] society."

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jeshua fags gtfo
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>>472112
Happy yule and fuck the kikes
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>>472112
Why is Zeus and Jupiter grouped together as if they are the same person?
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>>472138
They are the same person, their name is even cognate

I'll just leave this here
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What is it with math genius's and hair?
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>>471854
Hair is actually brain fungus that feeds off of brain wastes. As you use your brain it gives off more waste and the fungus grows bigger. This is why these smart people have better hair. It is harmful which is why people recommend you cut your hair.
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So are you trying to lead us into a debate about the Leibniz–Newton calculus controversy?

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>This man was considered a 10/10

Was everyone before the 1950s ugly as fuck?
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>>471679
No.
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>>471679

No, that was just your family.
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>>471718

>Literal neckbeard

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What does he get right and what does he get wrong? Does he point out uncomfortable truths about American history or is he just a vehicle for self-flagellating white progressives to get off on themselves?
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Everything he says in 100% true
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A lot of what he writes about is factually true but his ideological spin is suspect. His argument for reparations is poor, his idea of "white supremacy" is silly and overly-academic. His writing is very poor. At his best he's valuable for explaining things like post-War housing policy but that stuff isn't groundbreaking work or anything -- anyone slightly familiar with radical politics should have known of that stuff way before Coates started writing, so I don't see what his value as an intellectual is except
> a vehicle for self-flagellating white progressives to get off on themselves

And no matter what you think of him otherwise, Steve Sailer totally savaged Coates.
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>>471568

Do you have a link?

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Could a "Rabbinical Christianity" exist?

One big problem I have with Christianity is the insistence on Orthodoxy. Why should everybody be expected to believe the same way? Why should heretics be punished for questioning the Orthodoxy? Judaism is cool because it's determined by experts rather than preachers. Even among the ultra-Orthodox, Rabbis are expected to question previous interpretation of scripture and find new ways to apply old teachings to modern life.

I feel like it would be really great if Christian preachers were also expected to interpret Christianity and the teachings of Jesus on their own accord. Because historians agree that the Bible was written and compiled by multiple different people, shouldn't preachers and clerics try to find their own interpretation, rather than assuming the text is God's literal word? A "Christian Rabbi" would consider how the faith should be interpreted in the context of both Christian history and the greater theological tradition.

This would, I believe, create a more intelligent, more theological, and more productive Christianity that encourages piety and personal theology among the clerics and laypeople.
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>>471480
Reformed Christianity is pretty close to what you're describing although there are some elements that aren't up for debate (the Trinity for example) but because there is no central authority (other than Scripture) like in Roman Catholicism or Orthodoxy there is a lot of room for discussions.
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Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't this how Messianic Judaism works?
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>>471480
Isn't that just Islam?

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Are we alive?
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I'd like to have consensual sex with her, if you know what I mean. Also yes, except when we're dead.
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>>471268
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Are we real?

>pic not related but ironically so

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what is a perfect leader?
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Too broad question.
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>>471222
answer it subjectively, in your own point of view
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>>471214
politically or militarilly?

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Mengde did nothing wrong.
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Truer words have never been spoken
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>>471038

>did nothing wrong
>lost at the Battle of Chibi

pick one
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Literally the best villain ever. Because of Confucian insistence on Ren and De, he couldn't just act tyrannically. So we have a very nuanced character, someone who knows how to motivate the common soldiers, who understands basic psychology, and who looks after the families of his followers, even the ones he kills for political gain.

It's hilarious that western works haven't learned from him, working for a villain is always "you have failed me for the last time" kind of stuff, whereas this guy was actually on top of his game and there was actually an incentive for people to work for him.

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Are there any Gnostics on /his/?

I've been studying Gnosticism for a while, and I have this particular question for you: Why can't the True God do something about the Demiurge's reality?

I mean: Why don't the True God save the imprisoned souls?
The Demiurge is not all-powerful, after all.

So why do we need Gnosis?
Why they sent Lucifer and Jesus to help us, instead of tearing down the prison and just free us?

While I think Gnosticism is a really interesting topic (and answers a lot of questions regarding to the Abrahamic religions), these questions bother me a lot.
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>>471008
>I mean: Why the True God doesn't save the imprisoned souls?

fixed
Sorry for my English!
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>>471025
Why doesn't the true God save the imprisoned souls
Would be right
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>>471008

Another question: Do we have to leave the Demiurge's reality or there are ways to live as created beings, but in peace and without being prisoners?

I mean there must be some kind of a "red pill", right?

If some spirits could enter reality, then our immortal spirit could also help us to... I don't know... to aid us, maybe?
But not in a purely spiritual way.

Maybe this is how occult systems work.

>>471037

Thank you!
Sometimes - especially when I'm tired - my English becomes really bad.

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