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best poster coming through

Please post italy ww2, they are great

>>549807
>you will never live in a spanish anarchosyndicalist utopia
>you will never fight fascists with the CNT militias

>>548512

Did you shitpost them to death?

>>537591
no

stop

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These are never funny

Communism relies on fervor among the people to keep going and to not fall back on selfish desires. In order to keep the fervor going the government relies on means of thought control, like censorship and starving out dissenters. Communism cannot tolerate dissent and is therefore rarely if ever pluralistic.

>>570608
nothing much, providing you are fine with collectivism over individualism

>>570608
Define communism.

>>570511
>what the hell even is a relevant country?

France

>>570511
>and an enormous cultural hand fails to solidify its self on perceived sovereign relevance in the minds of many

Still trying to appropriate America's achievements I see
Back to /int/ Nigel

Nobody is relevant but nuke holders bexuse of muh mad.

We are in a meme phase of history, itll either end with a cataclysm, or more likely, a perma cucking

The great gods less or more familiar to us through mythology aren't the sole gods in Antiquity. You need to understand the historical process of invention and development of religion to approch the mentality of the men of yore.

In the age of cities, the god the must important to a citizen was the god protecting his own city. Of course such god was benevolent.
But, firstly, the relations with gods were conceived as a trade : the god will help you if you help him. It's the reason behind the sacrificial practices (and you can see that most often in a private context, they promised only to thanks the god, doing the sacrifice after the helpful act was realised).
Also, we may see that some still famous gods protected certain cities (by exemple Athena for Athenes or Apollon for Delphes). It's interesting to see that these gods are systematically associated with a surname, which is called an epiklesis. Here intervenes what I said previously about the process of development of religion as a political bound between men (becoming citizens) and cities (becoming alliances, federations, leagues, etc.) : in fact, most of these senior gods were distinct and particular to the isolated group that invented them. Religions of the past, being purely oral, were fluid to a point we have forgotten today. So the comparison between distinct gods and the fusions/assimilations were easy and politically meaningfull. The gods known today are the result of a later process of organisation parallele to the very history of the Mediterranean world.

That's why we may find today these gods cold or crual : in fact, they weren't good or bad, they were just similar to their models, id est the men that invented them. And they created them for a purpose that was entirely different of the one of the christian religion. Antique gods had nothing to do with good, bad, original sin, expiation or redemption. Their purpose was to symbolize the unity of the community, their cult the way to maintain it.

>>570510
It leads to amusing observations, like freshly conquered gallic places becoming allied cities of Rome and, thus, creating their own legend, of fondation, featuring by exemple the superstar of that time, Hercules himself. It was normal.

>>570510
I understand what you're saying but what about all the tragedies involving ancient gods ?

Stories like Prometheus getting eaten alive for giving men hope, Odysseus' life turning into a living hell because of Poseidon or the Trojan War.

Are they meant to be purely stories or do the people actually believe in them and still decide to worship those deities ?

>>570359
There is no such tipping point. There is instead a long and complexe history of classes struggle.

>>570375
Thanks for the non-answer. Can you expand on that statement in a meaningful way?

>>570383
Not that anon, but he answered your question exactly as good as it can be answered. There is no "point in history". The most specific would be the legal institution of private property, in which case you could say it begins with liberalism and the rise of the capitalist class. And yes, further automation will result in global catastrophe as workers are pushed out of the economy as long as they can balance automation with employing enough humans to buy commodities once in a while.

Chile

>>570014
Some Chokepoints niqqa
>Panama
>Suez
>Bosporos
>Moluccas Strait
Whole fucking Southeast Asia actually
>Hormuz Strait
>Gibraltar.

As for overland chokepoints, only shit I know is Hindu Kus and Ferghana.

Great Britain

>>569877
They try to moderate with layers of bureaucracy so the people actually don't infuence the top decisions as much

>>569877
Is it that much worse than rule by a small elite of idiots?

Technocracy and meritocracy don't have enough checks and balances to make them stable in the long run.

>>569877
listen to le wise words of le churchill:
it has been le said that democracy is le worst form of le government, except all le others that have been tried

t. reddit

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>>569818
The French scientific expedition in Egypt

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The life of Heraclius

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>>569818
Rhodesian bush war
the Scottish succession crisis
When chief Sitting Bull ran off the reservation (last of his people to lay down his gun)
the Nazi 11th army holding the Elbe corridor


and many more

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posting a literal terrorist

>>569363
Fuck this guy.

>>569219
Was he a very violent person? A hateful person? A reckless person?

Ghandi is considered a saint of non-violence doctrines. He is also said to have self control and self reliance.

What did he do?

Oh and let's not forget passages where he claims monks actively refused to preserve ancient works of classical literature and philosophy because they believed "pagan beliefs" shouldn't be preserved. Great idea, Greenblatt. I wonder how we have literally thousands of medieval manuscripts of ancient texts, then.

I can't believe people eat this crap up. Somewhere out there, there are thousands of monks rolling over in their fucking graves as their ancestors spit on the legacy of Christianity and the hard work of thousands of people to hold onto and preserve the knowledge of the past. And now some angsty euphorics are equating scholars and men of piety to literal book-burning Nazis.

He also provides zero citations for his ridiculous anecdotal evidence of such events as "monks sticking their fingers in their mouths and gagging as a 'universally' accepted Christian sign for wishing to see a 'pagan' text"

Jesus H Christ, and this fucker calls himself an historian while writing books for adolescent fedoras to circle jerk to as it reinforces their stereotype of evil, ignorant Christians.

>>569186

We did actually lose massive, massive amounts of ancient knowledge. I don't doubt that a lot of it was because of the preference to transcribe shitty boring saints' lives instead of raunchy old Roman literature.

Would require strong sources to accept the claim of blatant refusal to preserve ancient literature because it was pagan. But I wouldn't find it too surprising if some/a lot of monks were that pigheaded.

It never happened.

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>>569129
KOREAN LIES

>>569148
>>569150
>>569157
What proofs do you have?

>>569022
>Ancient people were barbaric, `patriarchal and oppressive`, backwards, etc.
No you fucktards. Ancient people built, developed and or refined nearly every damn thing we know about now. Did they know absolutely 100% everything no. But they knew what they knew and what they didn't know you can bet they were in their
way to knowing. Said fucktards don't know what their pulling out of their asses and immediately show their lack of knowledge on the subject at hand. I don't care how many degrees they have either, there are professors that do this as well and deserve to fired and barred from teaching ever again

>>569136

this.

I hate when people look down on people of the past as stupid simply because they didnt have our accumulated knowledge.

>>569136

They sure as hell are backwards and oppressive compared to the modern world, which is the point people try to make. "We like what we are like now, and should try not to be like our ancestors were."

>>569022

Yeah, it only happened after the great conservative flip from being anti-Jewish to being creepily enthusiastic about Jews and Israel. Almost certainly has to do with the change in US policy towards Israel, but Evangelicals legitimately shifted towards this fucked up view whereby modern Israel is going to play a role in the apocalypse, and we are therefore religiously obligated to help them in fucking everything. By extension, Jews are now good, even though the grandparents of the average Evangelical Israel-phile were most likely virulent anti-Semites.

good question!! prepare to get your mind blown son!!!!!

>>568799
Tiamat is first notable dragon that I'm aware of, so like 5000 years ago?

>>568799
Early storytelling serves as a historiography (primary focus of myth) and pedagogy (primary focus of folklore) in the absence of scientific investigation. The reference point for all people is the world around us and in both myth and folklore elements of the world (trees, stars, humans, snakes, the elements, etc.) are stretched and squashed, mixed and dissected, to create fictions that are outrageous but help to carry some point across exactly because they're outrageous. The dragon, as such, is an exaggerated reptile, and because of the characteristics of reptiles (poisonous, skin shedding, scaled, can regrow limbs, etc.) the dragon is both dangerous and mystical, and can serve many purposes, whether it's cosmogony (as with the Jörmungandr or Leviathan) or moralistic (St. George's dragon) or simply heroic (Smaug or Vritra).