>search the catalog, no navy thread
unacceptable
What are your favorite individual ships? What is your favorite historic fleet? What are your favorite battles and battle strategies?
Also, what ship is the most kawaii and why is it the Russian 'Novgorod?'
I like submarines.
The idea of being hunted and watched in an ocean is terrifying.
Everything is calm and dandy until a torpedo hits you.
>>566999
>What are your favorite individual ships?
motherfucking dreadnoughts. NAME A BETTER SHIP. For single ships, HMS Dreadnought, for paving the way.
>What is your favorite historic fleet?
Probably the US 5th fleet, also known as the Big Blue Fleet.
>What are your favorite battles and battle strategies?
Leyte Gulf, featuring the above US 5th fleet, because it was completely fucking balls to the wall.
Read this
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_off_Samar
a subsection of Leyte Gulf
the Americans were absolute madmen
>Also, what ship is the most kawaii and why is it the Russian 'Novgorod?'
Aurora is the qt ship tbqh senpai
>>567081
good taste m8
/his/ what's your favourite Italian City State?
Mine is the Most Serene Republic of Venice.
>>566977
>leeching off the dying Eastern Empire
Genoa and Venice are objectively the worst Italians.
>mfw taking a special topics Venice course this term
>aquatic jew
Is alternate history welcome here?
>>566719
meh
these things almost always look like the result of a shit game of Europa
>>566719
Not that shit.
>>566730
>implying there are good games of Europa
Do you follow the Intentionalist or Functionalist school of Holocaust historiography?
>>566477
I haven't done much research at all, but I'd call myself a Functionalist. Hitler was too opportunistic for anything else to be likely, and his establishment of the sort of shifting hierarchy of underlings who tried to anticipate his desires and show him fait accomplis again argues for Functionalism.
Functionalist all the way. The Holocaust was too specific to have been preplanned from way before Nazi rule.
>>566483
Interesting.
Will English ever be replaced as the global lingua franca?
One day we may engineer a pigeon language that is easy to learn yet effective, kind like the language in the Culture science fiction series.
English has only been the lingua franca for a relatively short period of time and the countries responsible for making it so are in decline. Latin is the most 'successful' language in history.
How big chance is it that mandarin would turn into the next lingua franca? Has there been any research on this?
ITT: Greatest looking Navy ships of history.
I'll start
>HMS Victory
>>567842
>>567842
What is the significance of this Rock? Why do the British have rights to this Rock? What is the symbolic gesture of possession and representation?
We Wuz Rockz
muh rocks
>>566008
>What is the significance of this Rock?
Provides a base for control over a large swathe of area.
>Why do the British have rights to this Rock?
They don't, they're thieves.
>What is the symbolic gesture of possession and representation?
"We can take your land by force, and there's nothing you can do about it.".
post historical characters whose life stories could easily become top quality books or films
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gunnlaugr_Ormstunga
>>565580
Well this is more than characters, but the recent history of the Arab World could be perfect for a 'Romance of the Three Kingdoms'-esque story, except with a tragic ending.
>Exposition:
Decline and overthrow of Ottoman Empire; Arab Revolt success; Sykes-Picot
>Rising Action:
Faisal becomes king of Iraq and Syria, revolts against French and British, full independence of Arab countries, Jewish immigration and control of local economy leads to Arab Revolt in Palestine, WWII hits North Africa and Iraq, Arab League is established to help ensure peace between Arabs
>Rising Action Con't:
Gamal Abdel Nasser takes power in Egypt, Arab-Israeli War ensues, Suez Crisis, Cold War reaches Arab World with Nationalists being generally favorable to the Soviets and Monarchists align with the US, UAE established only to cause coup in Syria, Yemen descends into civil war with Nationalists and Monarchists head-to-head, Black September, Rise of Gaddafi
>Climax:
Arabs are defeated in Six Day War, Nasser dies leaving Anwar Sadat to succeed him, War of Attrition, Hafez Al-Assad takes power in Syria and fights Islamists, Saddam Hussein takes power in Iraq, Iran-Iraq War causes the isolation of Syria by the Arabs, Sadat is assassinated, Hama Massacre, Rise of Hezbollah in the Lebanon War, Iran-Iraq stalemate, Gaddafi's child is killed by a US bombing, Saddam Hussein decides to invade Kuwait
>Ending
Iraq is left devastated by Coalition invasion, Islamists take root in the Arab World under Saudi control, Nationalists are hunted down and killed by the US in Iraq, Bashar Al-Assad takes power, Palestine is divided between radical Hamas and Nationalist Fatah, Hezbollah gains fame for their victory against israel in 2008, NATO and US devise successful plan to destabilize Syria, Gaddafi is killed by Western-backed Islamists, Assad desperately fights Islamists with backing of Hezbollah, Iran, and Russia, rise of ISIS
What I posted here
>>565794
Geoffrey Plantagenet has one of the most interesting histories.
Count of Anjou. Married Matilda. Matilda was 11 years older than he was. So, both disliked the marriage.
Matilda even more so. She used to be married to a powerful Holy Roman Emperor that was 16 years older than she was. Then, she became a widow and had to marry a 15 years old count because her father wanted peace with Anjou.
They managed to have some kids together and then spent as little time with each other as possible when they had enough sons.
He managed to reconquer Normandy for his son and raised him as a good Norman boy, because he knew Matilda's inheritance was better than his. Also, even if they hated each other, in a way, he worked well with Matilda.
There are quite a few terms being thrown around on the internet and this board when discussing military history. Quite a lot of them really have different meanings to different people often resulting in the thread devolving into shitfests with people trying to prove which word means what. Shall we have a thread defining some of the vague terms we use in military history once and for all to the benefit of future threads?
Some terms I often hear are Professional or levy, warrior or soldier and Civic militia and the dreaded 'peasant levy'. Especially in medieval/dark age threads the meaning of these words can lead to shitposting.
>Professional:
I don’t know what the strictest definition of the world is in the modern day English language but I have seen it used often to describe the quality of a soldier or warrior. Frankly this can be quite confusing when looking at the root of the word. I propose we cut the word Professional loose from any hint of quality and see it rather as an indication of in what condition a particular person fights. As in he fights in an army as a profession, he knows no life outside of fighting. When the war is over he won't go back to farming his lands or making pottery, he stays with the army and does whatever shit they make him do. Modern day armies can be seen as consisting mostly of these professional soldiers, typically they don't have a civilian occupation on the side and they probably want to serve until they get a honorable discharge rather than being sacked the moment a war is over.
>>565532
Some historic examples of a professional soldier/warrior are the Post-Marian legionaries who were recruited in their late teens or early twenties and could be expected to serve 25 years, they did not know a live outside of fighting until they served their term. Spartans can be seen as another professional, they had a large population of slaves do all the labor and farming while every Spartan citizen was expected to take on fighting as their main occupation.
The medieval period saw some professional forces too although they never constituted the main part of a medieval army. Charlemagne had a small household guard whose only job it typically was to fight, even the Germanic tribes of the migration era had such soldiers/warriors living with the king or chieftain. Though their numbers were small or even insignificant they can be said to be professional. Knights or man-at-arms are a bit of a mixed bag, most of them had other occupations besides fighting as they were landowners and sometimes bureaucrats, courtiers and lawyers. However some of this gentry class did try to make fighting and soldiering or war in general their main occupation. They traveled from the Baltic crusade to reconquista Spain and wherever there was a war, this group ties in closely with the ever present mercenary. Especially Italy (but also the rest of Europe) saw mercenary companies travel from war to war trying to earn their next meal. Some of these mercenaries did not intend to stay with a particular company their entire lives but some certainly did. After the Thirty years war and during the enlightenment era the absolute monarchs of Europe had professional armies, a redcoat soldier could spent most of his active life fighting or hanging around in barracks without returning to some sort of civil occupation. This all changed when Napoleon came around.
>>565534
>Levy:
For some this has probably become a synonym for inept or low quality and the opposite of professional. I think this term is the opposite of professional but in defining the terms of service for a particular soldier. As opposed to the professional this person had an occupation before entering the army and he will probably return to this life when the war is over.
Some prime examples would be the army of the Athenian city state of Ancient Greece, the pre-Marian reforms roman army, the Carthaginian army, many medieval armies and soldiers, civic militias etc etc. Some mercenaries occupy a somewhat gray area between levy and professional. They were volunteer based as opposed to some sort of civic duty laid down in law or custom. A prime example would be the Landsknecht(e), these mercenary companies were often raised for a short period of time and raised from a group of people with other occupations, however not all returned to their civilian life. A more modern example would be the conscripted armies of the Napoleonic era that lasted well into the 20th century for many countries or even exist today. Reservists like some historic mercenary groups occupy something of a grey area.
>>565537
It should be noted again that Levy does not indicate the quality of the soldiers per say, levied troops managed to beat professional troops from time to time, empires were forged and destroyed with these part timers. A way in which the Napoleonic or modern day conscription differs from some historic examples is that the state often provides the equipment for the raised soldiers whereas in most levied troops the soldiers were expected to bring their own armor and weapons according to his wealth.
In some cases this levy or militia can be said to be filled with volunteers (i.e. Reservists, part time mercenaries) and in other cases the custom of the tribe, feudal or national law could demand service in the army. A thing that should be remembered is that these obligations could create a legal obligation for every male between 15 and 60 to serve but this rarely really happened. The Roman and various Germanic tribes excluded slaves which already reduced the manpower base from which they drew soldiers by a large chunk. High and Late medieval societies often had a theoretical obligation for every able male to serve in the army for 40 days should the king or lord require it. In practice the said lords would often appoint local people to select only the best equipped and physically fittest of those legally obligated to serve. Records show that medieval cities with populations as high as 50.000 often only provided a couple of hundred soldiers at most. The practice of only selecting the best to serve also eliminated the popular image of a flail equipped peasant dressed in rags facing a fully armored knight on horseback, back then leaders realized bringing under equipped people to a battle formed a logistical and tactical nightmare.
Why do Turks think they were Anatolian Hittites?
After the collapse of the ottomans they went like "yeah man we were always here and then that Alexander dude was rude and made us basically go all the way across the world to China but they build a wall so we came back"
This was a serious political idea of the 20th century and is still viewed as an origin story in Turkey
>>565456
They rather claim that Anatolian Hittites were Turkic.
They have a good portion of pre-Turk/Greek Anatolian DNA, but the mixture is there.
They're culturally Turks, too.
>>565456
They're immigrants with no right to live in Anatolia. They're literally the descendents of Mongolian rape childs.
It's the same thing with those stupid ass Uyghers in china. There have been pathetic attempts by these people to justify their right to live in china. Going as far as to say they are descendents of tocharians.
A Caucasian group of people with European features that lived in central asia before being raped and fucked over by the yellow monkey.
The Turks are such a diverse people that a lot of these origin stories are all true, in some sense. Some parts of the Turkish gene pool come from central Asia, some parts come from the Greeks, some come from the pre-greek Anatolians, etc.
Why was Germany not balkanized after the first world war?
>>565315
It was. People just dont realize it, because most of the territory it lost was territory it had only recently gained - from France earlier, and from Russia in the same war, since there was a separate treaty.
Germany won much land from Russia, then lost that land, and some of its own, when the final treaty was made.
All of Poland was German land, taken from Germany.
>>565315
Because The French didn't have the ability to force it on their own and No Way the British Would have approved it
Despite the Germanphobia that the British had they still were pragamatic enough to keep "keeping The Balance of Power" as the goal, Only Idiots like Churchill wanted British Foriegn Policy to be about Macho feels
How did one atheist, in a matter of a few short years, manage to write the most spiritual and uplifting work of the modern period, exceeding every religious thinker by miles?
I just can't get my mind around how Nietzsche supersedes all religious thinkers, given they know the glory of God and all.
>>565273
Nietzsche and Klassen miscalculated human nature, though!
You can't just feed people information and statistics and expect that they will become militant activists for better humanity.
>>565273
>expect that they will become militant activists for better humanity.
That's not what Nietzsche wants though.
Bait thread.
If a nuclear holocaust happened in 1975, what would 2016 be like?
>>565207
Watch the film Threads
Not kidding
emerging from a nuclear winter, with 95% of all life on the planet wiped out
>>565207
What if Hitler won the Moon War?
Do you guys seriously believe in God, or is it just a meme?
A meme, it seems. There may be a few who do, like that one tripfag.
God is not an old man with a beard.
>>565090
You forgot that one Kent Hovind fan who obviously has never watched the "Why do people laugh at creationists" series
What kind of fortification can can be used in modern warfare. I'm talking everything except nukes(I know bunkers are a thing).
>>564185
Nothing can stand to ICBMs so the best chance is to scatter as much as it can be done
>>564200
Well aren't there concrete bunkers that can withstand nuclear explosions? Why can't a fortified position be reinforced with that kind of material?