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I'm asking here because /x/ flew into its normal clustercuck of trolling, schizophrenic rambling, roleplaying, and wishful thinking.
What did people historically think magic & sorcery was like?
I see vague references to it in the old legends, and apparently people made up elaborate rituals based on it.
Everything from curse tablets, to true names, to enochian, to divination, to shamans, to goetia, to hermeticism, to druids, to voodoo, etc.
This is purely academic interest.
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>>587713
Turk here in general a lot of people still believe in magic but its generally seen as something you shouldn't dabble in as it is sinful and as you can get the attention of harmful spirits. Don't know if its true but I heard from some very reasonable people that they have seen some weird shit. Generally it has been like this all the way back to the ittomans and probably before.
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>>587713
Magic and religion and medicine are intertwined to the point of being near inseperable for most of human history.
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>>587738
Are there any survivals of shamanism in turkish folklore? Or is it mostly about getting djinn to do your bidding now?
Does the mediterranean idea of "the evil eye" exist in Turkey?
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The last thread died so here's a new one. Post good looking althistory maps - I said good looking maps, so no Paradox game templates.
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WHERE ALL MY PRUSSIABOO AT???
>godlike military
>Berlin best city GM
>Prussian eagle is best eagle
>a prussian chancellor made Germany GREAT AGAIN, when Kaiser Willhelm II fired him, Germany lost
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name one state better than Prussia
>protip:you can't
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kys nazi
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>>586293
tell us more about your pure 1/128 prussian heritage, amerifriend
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Interwar Albania: http://z13.invisionfree.com/eRegime/index.php?c=805489
>Experience the excitement of being a notable person in 1930s Albania.
French Revolution: http://z13.invisionfree.com/eRegime/index.php?c=813588
>Relive history by playing as a real-life character during the French Revolution. Help lead France to her destiny and succeed where your character failed. Watch out for the guillotine.
Syrian Civil War: http://z13.invisionfree.com/eRegime/index.php?showforum=965
>The game focuses on events from January 2014 onwards. Players have an option of joining in as either ISIS, Kurdish fighters, Assad's forces or the opposition. They can choose their own faction within these groups if they want to.
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>History forum games
The highest Level of autism.
I wonder what the people who play this look like.
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>>585795
>I wonder what the people who play this look like.
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>>Experience the excitement of being a notable person in 1930s Albania
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What can you tell me about the Tiger tank?
Was it pretty much invincible?
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Yes, if it was lucky enough to get to the front line without breaking transmission, running out of fuel and not getting bombed on a route, if enemy used only medium tanks, shot only at its frontal armor from at least 1km and had no numerical superiority, then yes, it was pretty much invincible.
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>>585375
Looked cool though
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>>585377
>1942
>No slope armor
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Who are the most incompetent leaders in history who somehow end up being hailed as great.
I don't think there is a better example than Richard the Lionheart.
>Hated England
>Hated English people
>Couldn't even speak English
>Didn't even live in England
>Spent all his time sucking at crusading and bankrupting the country
>Tried to literally sell England to the highest bidder so he could continue sucking at crusading
>heralded somehow in the annuals of history as the greatest English monarch.
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>>584924
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Almost all Thai Kings have "The Great" in their title.
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>>584924
Gr̈ofaz
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ITT: Shit-tier philosophers
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I'll start with this faggot and his creation, Autism: The Ideology.
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>>584001
Quit blaming us for you'r failures, non-autistics.
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>>584001
who is he, why is he bad, what's so autistic about his ideology.
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>>585587
he spent most of his life trying to justify the French Revolution in a "scientific" way
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Salvage ethnography/anthropology/pictures of shit you wouldn't think there'd be pictures of
Videos and artifacts welcome as well. I find looking at pictures like these gives a sense of truth and grit that no recreation, movie, or reenactment can achieve.
Tribal stuff can count also, but don't overdo it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0BzqwOBneC4&list=WL&index=40
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They don't necessarily have to be ooga boogas
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Chainmail was used in the caucuses until fairly recently. who would have thought?
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How did people in ancient times, middle ages and renaissance managed to not throw up or get PTSD? Melee combat was way more gruesome than in the movies as the bones show (pic related is from Battle of Towton) and I imagine seeing that sort of shit would take some toll on soldiers psyche.
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>>581982
They did.
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They probably all had PTSD.
They were also probably abused as children according to our definition of child abuse.
They were harder, brutal people because you had to be hard and brutal to live. We've since been able to live a softer, gentler life.
So far.
Civilization can collapse again, after all.
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>>582004
This.
Soldiers were much tougher given the brutal nature of how wars were fought back then. I'm sure they had their share of stress, but the mentality was you either man up fast or die faster.
There were no pussies back then, life was hard.
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Can we have a thread on Buddhism?
Ask questions, discuss historical Buddhism, talk practice and meditation with others, and whatever else you want to do.
Theravadin here.
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Will post relevant pics in the meantime.
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Post national songs from history. Bonus points for non-official anthems.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=deEFNbWQKtQ
>former swiss national anthem
>catchy tune
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zikcHnimsxk
The sound of German butthurt
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=WgskbClWZ68
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Any one else interested in Pre-Indo-European swag. What I find interesting is the Pre-Aryan Indian culture of Harappa and various cultures in Prehistoric Europe have both worshiped Mother Goddesses
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Crete: Eteocretan
Cyprus: Eteocypriot
Aegean: Lemnian
Anatolia: Hattic
Armenia: Urartian
Sicily: Sicanian and Elymian
Italy: Etruscan, Rhaetic, Camunic
Iberia: Aquitanian, Tartessian, Iberian
Persia: Elamite
India: Indus Valley language?
Sri Lanka: Vedda language?
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>Any one else interested in Pre-Indo-European swag.
1. DEFINE "PREINDOEUROPEAN SWAG".
2. YOU INTENDED TO TYPE A QUESTION, SO THE GRAMMATICALLY CORRECT SIGN AT THE END WOULD BE AN "INTERROGATION SIGN", NOT A PERIOD.
>What I find interesting is the Pre-Aryan Indian culture of Harappa...
1. "INDOEUROPEAN", AND "ARYAN", ARE NOT MUTUALLY SYNONYMOUS; THE FORMER IS A LINGUONYM, THE LATTER IS A SOCIOCULTURAL TERM, AND/OR A RACIONYM.
2. THE HARAPPAN SETTLEMENT, AS THE WHOLE OF THE INDUS VALLEY CIVILIZATION, WAS ARYAN; THE INDICATIONS OF THERE HAVING BEEN AN INCHOATE "'GODDESS' CULT" ARE PROBABLY DUE TO THE NONARYAN REMNANTS FROM BEFORE THE ARYANS CAME AND ESTABLISHED THEMSELVES IN THAT ZONE —ARYANS USED TO INTEGRATE INDIGENOUS POPULATIONS WHEREVER THEY SETTLED, RATHER THAN EXTERMINATING, ENSLAVING, OR EXPELLING, THEM.
>What I find interesting is the Pre-Aryan Indian culture of Harappa and various cultures in Prehistoric Europe have both worshiped Mother Goddesses
WHY IS THAT PARTICULARLY INTERESTING FOR YOU?
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PIE theory doesn't explain all of the relevant history, desu. Its main focus point is language, even then it takes you historically to a point and still leaves you with many questions about other cultural influences and exchanges that happened, but are not mentioned by the theory.
Sumerian and Egyptian specifically, plus the Indo-Aryan origin itself came about after AIT/AMT which suggests a further origin in Central-Asia, or the Ancient Near East.
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How was the Pacific War unique among all theaters of WW2? Obviously the largest Naval battles in history but in terms of ground combat.
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well facing a fanatical enemy often fighting to the last man on relatively small islands springs to mind as rather unique
the eastern front certainly saw its share of fanaticism and brutality but by and large without the terrible constraints of geography and suicial tendencies
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>>589639
Imagine being dumped in a place where the local environment itself wants to kill you, assuming you survive the trip unto it from the landing craft. Now add people with guns who want to kill you, and won't stop until they're dead.
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>>589639
It's unique in that the final battles were the bloodiest and fought against seasoned, sometimes elite, troops. Opposed to "mopping up" battles deep inside Germany against child soldiers and the elderly.
Peleliu, Iwo Jima, Okinawa were all at the end of the war, but also the toughest of the campaign.
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How much more/less advanced would the world be if the Middle Ages didn't happen? 2016-01-23 22:13:17 Post No.596641
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How much more/less advanced would the world be if the Middle Ages didn't happen?
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How would society today be different (more or less advanced/progressed) if the Middle Ages just... never happened? Nearly a thousand years of history just gone.
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We'd be nearly a thousand years set back?
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Smoking cyber-weed on the moonbase with my 3d-printed waifu.
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>>596658
I'm saying it would still be 2016 though.
When was Germany closest to winning against the USSR? Close enough to have had a good chance?
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Moscow.
And even then it was with so much of their momentum spent that they didn't have a chance.
The Axis intelligence was a horrible failure. They didn't know what they were walking into. They thought the USSR a far easier target than it had become. It learnt from preceding wars.
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>>594389
Before they launched their attack.
Germany could have won, but it couldn't have won with the goals they set for themselves.
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October 1941
August 1942
Although some historians say they lost their chance as early as Kiev/Smolensk.