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Who is responsible for the Conservatives becoming seen as the party of the rich? Disraeli created One Nation conservatism, emphasising the support of the poor by the wealthy. Following in the same tradition, David Cameron's goal is clearly to be seen as the "party of working people" of all classes and backgrounds, cast in contrast to Labour as the party of NEETs and profligates. Somewhere between the two the Conservatives developed an image of being in opposition to the interests of the working class. Who did that? Was it Thatcher, or was it earlier than that?
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>>603517
Maybe because the only credible opposition theyve had for the last century have explicitly defined themselves as working for the poor, so its natural for the tories to be seen as for the rich. They also seem to be less representative of society than they used to be, osbourne cameron bojo etc are easy to stereotype as posh out of touch southerners, whereas someone like macmillan, even if he was from london, at least had a northern constituency
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>>603517
It was when Conservative became attached to defending the capitalist mode of production, and defending the bourgeois class's power in society.

This was in contrast to the notions of Burke, and even the limited (though fading) influence of the aristocracy, and the aristocratic mindset on Disraeli.

The Bourgeois spirit has no sense of noble obliges, and no sense of relationship between the classes, or the need to pass on a legacy to the future.

The lack of all these things are necessary to thrive in the capitalist mode of production. And so Conservativism became wedded to defending a class that eat's it's own children, and the poor can see that.
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They are the most rabid defenders of the neo-liberal, free market fundamentalist doctrine in Europe.
Any sensible person could not disagree that

> These policies rip the heart out of communities.
> They condemn large portions of the working class to becoming an underclass.
> It demands that a government must slap down any arguement that human needs should slow down the pace of de-regulation and the freedom of capital and labour.
> Neo-liberal narratives shift the blame of policy failure onto individuals - "get on your bike and find work." Where as there is an argument for less state coddling, this is absurd for particular sections of the population (the disabled, people with no skills and poor education.)

No matter how you sugar coat this, the fundamental fact that the Conservatives are happy to flush large parts of the population down the toilet to fit this country into a neo-liberal Procrustean bed is pretty divisive stuff as it is mostly the poor who suffer.

Why do they succeed? We have a mostly pliant media that does not discuss the wider context and systemic issues - e.g.
Housing crisis - "look at all those immigrants getting council houses."
ISIS - "Evil terrorist sickos! Help us Government!"

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If the West and Russia had launched full nuclear war on each other at the height of the Cold War how bad would it have been?
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>>603453
Very bad.
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>>603453
if during cold war berlin and parts of europe would be a glass desert because of high concentration of stationed forces on a small area
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>most life exterminated
>planet uninhabitable

pretty good outcome desu

Daily reminder that archaeology has the power to change the world and the greatest treasures are still hidden. Why aren't you out there searching?

Pic related in situ
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>>603280
reminder that rich and influential groups such as the library of israel and the vatican withhold ancient key texts about humanity's past.
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>>603298
Don't forget the Eternal Anglo.

They dedicated much of their effort to collecting artifacts. Unprecedented.
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>>603298
What exactly would they be withholding and why? I assume you are referring to the 'lost books' of the bible or anything that was considered noncanon. Do they think Enoch holds too many secrets?

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So I've been a casual student of history for practically all of my life. A pattern I noticed, is that it seems that virtually no one has ever risen from peasantry to controlling an empire, or leading a successful rebellion.

I was reading The Prince, and I guess my reading comprehension was off because I could have sworn he said that Cyrus - The one Xenophon wrote about, rose from a private station, to a private in the army, eventually becoming an officer, and then a general, and eventually leading a coup and starting his own empire.

So I read the actual book my Xenophon, and although Cyrus was undoubtedly a noble, virtuous, and ambitious man who played his cards very wisely, both his father, and grandfather were kings. So I was kind of disappointed.

My question to you, is can you think of any times a private citizen was able to raise an army and form their own empire?
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>>602479
Hitler
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>>602479
You mean like Julius Caesar?
Or Iosef Stalin?
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>>602498
Julius Caesar was of patrician birth, ie, a noble.

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So /his/ why don't we has a nice discussion about massacres, genocides, ethnic cleansings, etc. in history and why they happened.
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>>602189
>So /his/ why don't we has a nice discussion
because we can't
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>>602189

Assbaby genocide when?
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>>602189
>why they happened

Because 9 times out of 10, they solve a problem

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How were blacks perceived during the medieval period?
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>>602170
They weren't, since there were none in Europe.
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They weren't
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>>602178
There were a few slaves, but they were most likely only regarded as exotic possessions of the uppermost nobility

Has there been a historical civilization better fit for capitalism than the arabian one?
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>>602101
Phoenician
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>>602101
>Arabian civilization

Heh.
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It was definitely a good place for it to be created with it being the middle man to the east

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>Third Reich
>conscription enacted
>men sent off to war created fatherless children
>government changes education, enforces propaganda through mandated nationalist classes
>warps opinions of young boys to support the war and become Hitler youth
>this is considered terrible

Yet

>WWI United States
>conscription enacted
>men sent off to war to create fatherless children
>Woodrow Wilson enforces mandatory nationalism classes for youth
>History courses changed to portray Britain as always good and Germany as always bad
>fosters an entire generation of nationalists that unreasonably hate Germany and support the wars
>nobody ever talks about this

Not siding with Germany on their ethics, but aren't these practically the same thing? The portrayal of German propaganda in modern media is condemned whilst the same thing is ignored if done is the West?
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>>601845
Because
>in Germany, millions killed in the holocaust
>in America, one dude attacked for being german
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>>601845
Yes, that's imperialist propaganda for you. Completely unlike revolutionary communist propaganda of course.
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>>601845
Are you implying that Americans glorify Wilson's actions during WWI?

Protip: they don't

How do we get more guys like edmund wilson, friedrich hayek, camille paglia and raymond aron into the humanities?

The feucaltian retards need to get BTFO.
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It's over
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>>601598
You don't. They're literal cancer, you can't remove a part of an organ that has cancer, it must be completely cut out and replaced by something new.
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>>601598
>Happy Samhain

As an Irishman I'm deeply hurt and offended by these people claiming my culture as their own.

Jokes aside, Foucault has nothing to do with the picture you posted and the fact that people equate his views with the phenomenon of "SJW"s (I hate that term) is really annoying.

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What would you have done differently to make sure the Kaiserreich wins the Great War and takes it's place in the sun, thus avoiding ww2, unless it's against the USSR and the holocaust.
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With WW1 tech it was pretty much impossible to win against a similarly powerful force that can also blockade the shit out of you AND will get American help a few years in.
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Avoid a general European war in the first place so that the western world doesn't go into decline?
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>>601491
Shoot von Moltke, avoid provoking the United States under any circumstances.

How many of you have experience in the study of classical languages? Latin, Ancient Greek, Sanskrit, Aramaic, etc.

Those who have, please share your experiences.
Those who wish to learn may also post.
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>>601321
Hebrew's the only one I rigorously studied, but I have a semi-decent grasp of Biblical Aramaic just from its similarity to Hebrew.
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Studying Latin rn getting to the point where I can translate old writings
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>>601321
Ask me about the Sumerian language, Third Dynasty of Ur period preferably.

Some quick FAQs:
>Should I learn Sumerian?
Only if you love memorizing patterns and technicalities and incredibly long lists of exceptions to all the rules you thought you were comfortable with
>What can I read in Sumerian?
Here's just about everything: http://etcsl.orinst.ox.ac.uk/edition2/etcslbycat.php
>Is it worth it?
No. Learn Babylonian or Akkadian or Aramaic instead.
>Why did you learn it then?
I have a history boner for Sumer, and learning the language gives one some really interesting insights into the character of the people.

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So how much longer are the English going to insist on being fake Catholics?

>inb4 muh ordinations
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How much longer are the Latins going to insist on being fake Orthodox?
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>>601327
>invent fake patriarchy
>claims Rome is schismatic

The empire is dead. Get over it.
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>>601347
>fake patriarchy
>even though Saint Andrew was the first Patriarch

>get given governmental power and a state by Germanics
>introduce filioque as thanks
>decide the Pope is Roman Emperor now and literally forge a document to try to validate it
>become power-mad and fall to your knees before Satan when he dangles Third Temptation in front of you
>refer to those who say, "Nah, that's not how it works" as schismatics.

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What are some alternatives to these books?

I'd like to learn the arms and armour of the past but I've read these books are innacurate.
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What time period of the past specifically?
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>>601200
Wrong image. Meant these.

>>601219
From Antiquity to Early Middle Age.
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>>601200
sleep tight Plato

Who won the war of 1812?
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Piss off
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UK/Canada

America tried to steal Canada from the Brits, they failed.
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>>601009
American propaganda victory, British/Canadian tactical victory

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What ancient/historical recipes have you made, /his/?

Pic related, my attempt at making Roman bread
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Try making some garum to eat the bread with.
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>>600980
looks tasty, where did you find the recipe?
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>>601024
Not OP, but you need to learn how to Google, grandma

Might be this
http://pass-the-garum.blogspot.ca/2012/10/moretum.html?m=1

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