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>philosophy is useless!

While true, philosophy does deal with many "useless" things as far as the average and even above average person is concerned, how come people don't realize that philosophy is a natural, inevitable product of cultural health at its peak?

It doesn't matter that it's useless, when a culture is at its healthiest peak in history and courageous and ripe enough for serious contemplation, philosophy always happens naturally. Useless or not, it is a sign of the highest health.

A culture and even an individual that never engaged in philosophy never reached that peak of health and natural born strength like the Greeks did.
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PROOF? EVIDENCE?
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>>821620
But that's using an arbitrary definition of health that you yourself have decided upon. It's circular logic, isn't it?
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>>821710
>But that's using an arbitrary definition of health that you yourself have decided upon.
Can you verify that?

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R8 em

1. Gilgamesh
2. Jesus
3. Abraham
4. Martin Luther
5. Issac Newton
6. Hitler
7. Albert Camus
8. Martin Luther King jr
9. Muhammad Ali
10. Micheal Jackson

(11). Kanye Kardashian.
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1. Diogenes

Everyone else
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>2. Jesus

Are you kidding? I thought this was a list of real actual people who existed.
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>>822310
Jesus was a real historical figure, only autistic fedora tier atheists deny that

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are laws a perversion to evolution, are we impeding ourself through government and certain rules and eventually regressing our true potential. for many things like eugenics and...using 100 percent of mind and being less restricted unable us to leave and progress to the point of immortality
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Evolution doesn't mean progression. It just means better at fucking out loads of little guys to fuck out their own loads and so on.
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>are laws a perversion to evolution

Evolution has no goals, it's just a process, and it often involves trade-offs between multiple interacting factors, such as between natural selection and sexual selection.
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>>821543

are laws impeding our progress?

Out of all the Hellenistic philosophies which ones are the most helpful/insightful?
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>>821523
meh, the golden age was dead by that point.
platonism and stoicism took their stranglehold.
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Fallibilism
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There are tremendous insights to be gleaned by people who managed to see things needle-like.

However, I'm on your boat of seeking out a sum of the most "helpful/insightful"

Honestly, I'd be good with just Marcus with healthy incursions into Heraclitus and doses of Epicurus (Plato and Aristotle are both maybe just a bit too deep for practicability)


If you're willing to adventure beyond the Greeks for a reconcilable group that'll set you up for life

Marcus Aurelius, "Meditations"
Lev Tolstoy, "Gospels in Brief"
Ludwig Wittgenstein, "Tractatus" & "Investigations"
The Tao Te Ching or Te Tao if that version floats you
The Collected Writings of Abraham Lincoln (read this in conjunction with the Tao)

Dashes of Schopenhauer, the Bhagavad Gita. A slim volume on Zen

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Is it conceivable that the west doesn't like Communism because corporations have no power in them?
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>>821461
yes
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No, the mass murders and brutal oppressive dictatorships are why the West doesn't like communism.
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Corporations can work with communist regimes

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I've read that the crusades were never considered a major threat by the Muslim world and they don't cover it in depth in their own histories- is that accurate?
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>>821350
Well, Salahadin continued to conquer North Africa. The Holy Lands were just the Stalingrad of the jihad these days.

I wonder whether the Ottmans were so in first place or if they've just adopted the Greek culture of Constaninople.
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You gotta understand, for us Muslims the crusades were like a bullied group of autists who showed up with a big plan to shoot up a school over some old slight only to have their guns fail them so they start stabbing each other

The MONGOLS were fucking horrifying though
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>>821350
Kind of. It's more a case that the Crusades weren't distinguished from any other sort of Western or Eastern Christian threat, and Western historians like to categorize these things to the point where people start missing the forest for the trees.

The specific campaigns of specific years by specific Frankish princes didn't get as much press as they obviously did in Europe. But the Muslims did consider Franks overall as a major threat for their conquests in Sicily, Spain, North Africa, and their pirate raids on the eastern Mediterranean.

You are now aware that this was a cowardly war crime and would be an egregious violation of the Geneva Convention.
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Ruse of War. It's legit. It's like using camo.
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It was a stupid ending to a really stupid war, can't the fucking Spartan dumbass king marry someone else? Can't Paris just fuck off?
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>>821323
M-Muh honor mufugga

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Why didn't Islam ever catch on in most of India, despite centuries of rule? Shouldn't it have appealed to the lower classes? Why did it stick in Sindh and Kashmir but not the Gangetic plain or the Deccan?
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>>821130
I have no idea, but I like the fact that there are friggin elephants walking up a ramp infront of an incredibly huge fortress.
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>>821204
Yeah

Moar of these fortresses plz
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>>821130
>Why didn't Islam ever catch on in most of India
It did. 14% of the current population of India is Muslim, and that doens't include Pakistan and other places that are historically in the Indu sphere. Islam did appeal to the lower castes, from whom a large percentage of today's Indian Muslims descend from. If by your question you mean:
>Why didn't Islam ever have a super majority in most of India?
The answer is because of the lack of forced conversion, national pride in those that didn't want to convert despite the benefits of doing so, and other imaginable social feelings (no doubt resentment, especially of upper class hindus, etc.)

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Was the Nanjing massacre fact? And was it worse than the holocaust?
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>>821099
>fact
Yes.
>Worse than Holocaust
Less people died, but both were horrible experiences.
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>>821099
its the holoaust of the orient, both in how terrible it was, and how much the victims use it to gain political points even though the nation that commited said crimes payed reparations a long time ago.
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>>821171
>reparations
kek

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Tell me about some interesting history in the Maghreb pre-Islam.
All I'm aware of is Carthage, Numidia, Vandal kingdoms and a few others. Is the area simply too unexplored or is there really not all that much more significant occurances that took place there than what we know?
Any recommended literature on the topic? Any interesting civlizations or cultures besides those I mentioned?
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>>820804
Berber as a linguistic family is very new compared to other afroasiatic languages

North Africans were originally Black and the oldest haplogroup is subsaharan

Tebu a nilo-saharan group found in southern Libya and Chad founded the first black african Islamic kingdoms and nations conquering the native Sao culture.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garamantes
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>>820804
The vandal kingdom of just amazing
>German snow niggers originally from Scandinavia
>Living in Carthage, North Africa
>That they conquered
>From the Roman Empire
>mfw Vandals were colonizing North Africa before it was cool

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1. Muslims pride themselves on their conception of the covenant being always, immutable, black and white, with unchangeable laws of absolute morality. Now Mohammed is presented as the paragon of Islam, but he had thirteen wives, whereas Islam permits only four. Every Islamic rationalization I've seen of this uses consequentialist ethics.

2, The idea of the sacrificial victim being Ishmael instead of Isaac makes no sense. Isaac is Abraham's legitimate son, therefore a greater sacrifice. Isaac's faith is key here too, since it is his descendants which end up being given the covenant and producing all the prophets before Mohammed. Ishmael is father of the Arabs, and it seems to me that the only plausible reason to say he was the sacrifice is to accentuate the importance of the Arabs at the expense of the Jews.

cont
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>>820784
3. When Christ asked to be forgiven in the Garden of Gethsemane, he said for it to be in the Father's will, not his will. Showing that he deferred to the Father. In Islam, the Father deferred to him, and saved him. This seems inappropriate.

4. Though more reasonable Muslims don't consider all artistic depiction to be wrong, most who are serious still think it is wrong to depict Mohammed. This grants enormous prestige to Mohammed in a way that is close to deifying him, since it is suggesting any depiction of him would be an idol, as if one were depicting God himself.

5. All Muslims besides Quranists place values on Hadiths, but they widely disagree on which Hadiths are valid. This is a serious issue because Hadiths give moral imperatives, which means that if you don't take particular ones as valid which are, you are disobeying moral injunctions. Now either moral injunctions came from God, or they did not. If they did, then it is a serious flaw that there was not system to determine which are valid left behind by Mohammad (since they weren't actually committed to writing long after his time), such as Ecumenical Councils. And if they are not from God, then they are completely optional, making Quaranists objectively right.

FINIS
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>>820784
Didn't read. If you're a christfaggotard you have no right to criticize Islam as you all stem from Abraham flacid, circumcised penis.
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>>820784
>Hating on Muslims when orthodox
>Not knowing the problem is other sects


We have an agreement Akhi.

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>feudal shithole for thousands of years
>industrializes at the expense of a civil war and bombardment of key ports
>spends countless shekels fighting russia
>spends even more countless shekels in WW2
>gets completely BTFO
>gets nuked
>gets nuked again
>treaty of san francisco

>....

>few years later and it's the world's 2nd largest economy (today's 3rd)
>highly developed country with high quality of life, good education, big companies, leader in robotics and technology, etc

h-how?
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I don't know to which thread I should reply first.
>the gook jew planned this
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>>820706
Just like Germany. Germany was raped twice (literally by the Ruskies during the 2nd world war) and lost loads of territories. And yet they are once again the continental European hegemon (under the guise of EU and ECB)
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And look at them now.

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Did there really exist a filthy, disgusting man who masturbated in public, made a mockery of all that was holy, made a public nuisance of himself, and yet was so well respected that Alexander the Great begged to meet him?
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i guess
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Studying ancient history is such a horrible job becuse you never know what percentage of the information you read in chronicles is bullshit. Studying daily life of people back then is fine but details about famous events and individuals? Useless.
But there was Diogenes the Dog. Hence the name of the school: cynics.

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Is this the worst """""historical""""" youtuber (or pophis name) ever?
>No sources
>cursory/basic information
>makes strange transitions from "historian" to "reviewer".

Also extremely annoying.
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Can't find his channel but there's some African-American guy that does really bad history videos about Africa. I know that's broad but it's the best I can think of.
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>>820550
I actually found this guy before this thread, his research is correct, he did a video on braveheart and his facts on William Wallace were right. I know because I've been studying Scottish History at university
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>>820550
>>820635
But I will give you the point that he is annoying

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Why did he write like he was running out of time?
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>>820325
Because the future closes in on visionaries and idealists.
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>>820325
Because we're all running out of time.
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>>820331
Not everyone. If you do not have purpose, whether you have five decades, or five years to live, makes no difference.

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