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Alternate history question.

WW2 starts as in our timeline with Eastern European countries falling, then France. After a short Battle for Britain, Italy takes Malta and Italy along with Germany engage in Mediterranean campaign.

In 1941 however, Hitler does not attack Soviet union. He waits.

As war drags on and Japan attacks USA and USA eventually land in Africa, Germany opts for an organized withdrawal. Up to 1943 they fight the British and Americans, then sucesfully withdraw to Italy and other occupied territories.

During all this time Germany is frantically training armies of Eastern allies and Wermacht army groups in the East. They expect Stalin to attack and in 1944 he indeed does.

What happens? Could Germany, after absorbing initial blow of Red army simply encircle army after army with sort of counter-blitzkrieg and eventually get to a stalemate and peace? With Germany not bleeding in the East for three years, would USA and Britain even concider invading European mainland?
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>it's the "stalin was preparing to attack muh good boi hitler who dindu nuffin wrong" meme again
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>>876339
Oh chill the fuck up. Both ideologies were on a road to impacting each other, there was no question IF war would happen, but when.
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>>876342
even if we somehow agree with this opinion, then 44 is way, way, way too early - what we do actually know (as opposed to icebreaker-tier tinfoil hat speculations) is that just before the invasion (in 40-41, basically a couple months prior) stalin instructed his staff to consider the possibility of a german invasion in the upcoming "couple of years" and that is what they primarily planned for at the time, an overall defensive plan against a german invasion a few years down the road, a far cry from invading germany/europe

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Is it fair to judge events, people, and policies in history by modern moral and ethical standards, or should one strive only to judge them by the standards of the time period they occurred in?
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>>876209
It's not fair or unfair

It merely is

Judge all you'd like, they'd judge us the same way. It's what people do.
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>>876209
>Is it fair to judge events, people, and policies in history by modern moral and ethical standards, or should one strive only to judge them by the standards of the time period they occurred in?

If you're a historian, such judgements go against disciplinary criteria and will see you rapidly become not a historian.
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>>876209
>Is it fair to judge events, people, and policies in history by modern moral and ethical standards

Of course not, how could it possibly be?

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>Wake up tomorrow ....
>You're Avitus.

What do?
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>>876124
Lead my heavy weapons squad in the fight vs. the enemies of Man.
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Call the senate, masturbate

t. I don't remember who Avitus was exactly.
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>>876131

dank quote brah

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>“Pleasure is never as pleasant as we expected it to be and pain is always more painful. The pain in the world always outweighs the pleasure. If you don't believe it, compare the respective feelings of two animals, one of which is eating the other.”
The animal being eaten suffers a bit and then never suffers again, but the animal doing the eating survives because it ate the other animal and can continue to feel pleasure/suffering.
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but isnt being deprived of future pleasure forever the greatest suffering?
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>>876090
no because you have to exist to feel either
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>>876086
>pain is always more painful
Tell that to the scared little kids who cry and beg for hours to get out of a little shot they forget about in seconds.

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How did foreigners take to Greco-Roman Interpretatio of their gods? Rhine Germans seem to dig the Hercules Club (Thor hammer) necklaces.
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>>876037
all I know is I read somewhere that the Persians invading Greece didn't sack Delphi because they interpreted Apollo as a Greek version of their god Ahuramazda

No idea if that's true or not
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>>876037
>How did foreigners take to Greco-Roman Interpretatio of their gods?

They didn't seem to care. Certainly the Celts seemed content to simply use both names when talking about their gods, you find inscriptions to "Mercury Teutatis" or "Sullis Minerva".
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>>876037
Jews got seriously butthurt.

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>monotheism
>atheism

For too long the western world has been struggling in vain between both of these beliefs.


Polytheism is truth.
Polytheism is the way.

It's time to come home.
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hinduism isn't polytheistic, and is actually more monastic than abrahamic religions
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>>875984
Obviosuly we need to return to the original indo-european religion, the only true religion for aryans. Hail Dyeus Phater
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>>875984
Why are they so smug

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So what the fuck is this guy actually trying to say?
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Someone explain the "Christianity is more atheist than atheism" talk, because it just looks like someone misunderstanding both the resurrection and Darwin's place in the history of science and I can't imagine that is what is actually going on
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>>875794
fetishism of the hand which is the instrument of making/manipulation with the fetishism of the vagina which is the instrument of life, the combination or rather the interaction of the two gives insight into the fetish-perversion of the modernity, he explains it in one of the books
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>>875816

The idea is that, according to Zizek's materialist theology, Christianity consists in accepting that there is nobody who can take our place in caring for our fellow man, not even an abstract deity, because in Christian theology this abstract deity takes on concrete human flesh and dies. As for his take on the Ressurection, well, Zizek isn't a Christian, he's a Communist interpreting Christian theology to fill pages. That's where the basic structure of the claim that "Christianity is more atheist than atheism" falls apart: Christianity can't be atheistic, it's a matter of definitions. But, again, Zizek isn't motivated by a desire to be correct about Christian theology, or even about Marxist theory, desu. He wants you to buy his book about Hegel.

I have a very hard time taking psychoanalysis seriously. It might be because I don't even understand the context in which the discourse is meant to be employed.

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How was combat fatigue/PTSD handled prior to modern warfare?
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>>875621
beating your wife or incarceration at bedlam
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>>875621
It wasn't. Remember, the idea of unwanted mental conditions as something medical and not some evil spirit inside you is fairly recent.
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>>875621
by recuperating with your buds on the journey home.

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The fall of Ottoman Empire was a mistake.

Imagine a better Middle East today if Ottoman Empire did not collapse after WW I.
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lol.
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>a better middle east where now the whole area is controlled by people sympathetic to ISIS rather than most of it
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>>875349
>implying isis would exist if the based ottomans where still around

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If the Gallic and Palmyrene Empire had Survived Rome would still be here.
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>>874818
tell me, is there an empire from this that is still here?
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>>874827
.... Swedes?
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Rome is still here dumbass.

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Given that independence through slave rebellion made the country diplomatically a pariah in the eyes of Europe and USA and crushed the basis of the plantation-based economy, was there any hope for Haiti at becoming a well functioning nation state in a reasonable timespan?
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Not after the genocide.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1804_Haiti_massacre
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What >>875712 said coupled with copious amounts of deforestation nailed the coffin for Haiti.
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>>875712
>le poor slave owners :(((((

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What conflict defines, or divides, your country? What political event has echoed down throughout history to the present day, making your weird uncles yell at each other during the holidays? Where do baffling internal identity conflicts a foreigner could never understand emanate from?

Being in the American South, the obvious answer here is the Civil War
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>>874109
over a thousand years of infighting and foreign domination
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>>874129
This plus taxes and bureaucracy making life a nightmare for all social classes with the exception of legislators, gatekeepers and a few others in the public sector.
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>>874129
>>874177
Poland?

Germany, Soviet Union or the USA? Where would you rather live and why?
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>>873666
USA because in a decade the other places are shit and in a decade they will be even worse
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>USA
great depression
>Soviet Union
great purge

ergo, Germany (as long as you're not a jew)
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>>873697
Without any knowledge of future, 30s German would be my choice too.

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Is islam based on arabic paganism at all or is it completely just Mohammed's adaptation of christianity and judaism?
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Clearly an adaptation of Christianity and Judaism, given the same god, teachings, holy books, holy figures, etc.

I don't see anything pagan remaining in the religion.

Though it does make one wonder about Mohammed's religious beliefs before being visited. Supposedly he would have been pagan, but there were huge Christian and Jewish influences in the region at the time.
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>>873588
>arabic paganism
Don't ya mean Abrahamic paganism? Com'on, it's Judaism III.
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None, the message which has been given to banu israil but with no distortion.

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>Mormons can't drink soda
>Mormons are polygamists
>Mormons cant use condoms
>Mormons aren't Christians
>Mormons believe God is an alien
>Mormons tried to overthrow the government
>Mormons can't have beards

Is historical anti-mormon sentiment, cross Christian rivalry, or pure modern day ignorance to blame for the long list of misconceptions, and sometimes outright falsehoods attributed to LDS history and theology?
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Polytheists pls go.
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>>873519

>Mormons can't drink soda

Well, they can't drink hot beverages like tea or coffee. Which frankly seems worse than not drinking soda because soda is worse for you.

>Mormons are polygamists

Well they were originally. I don't see how they can blame anyone but themselves for this unfortunate fact

>Mormons can't use condoms

I think that's Catholics, actually

>Mormons aren't Christians

They aren't trinitarian, which would make them not Christians according to many theologians.

>Mormons believe God is an alien

No, they just believe Yaweh was once a man, or man-like being who was created by a more powerful being and resided near a star called Kolob. And that Jesus and Satan were his sons. To a Catholic, Oriental, or Orthodox Christian, this seems just as heretical as God being an alien

>Mormons tried to overthrow the government

Strawman. You're trying to deflect criticism from real events like the Mountain Meadows Massacre

>Mormons can't have beards

It isn't outright prohibited in writing but like many cultural practices there is an unspoken bias against beards.
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>>873528
>implying recognition of the god head being three distinct beings is polytheistic
>implying the "trinity" isnt intentional double think that has never found anything even close to an apologetic response

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