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Can we have a /his/ reaction thread?

I find my sources are lacking.
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Capitalism is all cool and stuff, but can anyone explain to me where capitalism or bullshit like objectivism seriously take the enviroment into account? Did anyone believe that consumers will have enough time to analyse every porduct they buy to then decide if its not fucking up the river next to them?
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You are aware that moer and more and more people do analyse every product, and decide to buy more enviromentally friendly, right?

Besides capitalism as a system has nothing to do with the enviroment. The market does.
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>>1018090
People are just able to "care" more because of social media trends. Nestle is still one of the biggest food companies.
Doesnt really change my question, how does the market then doesnt fuck up the enviroment
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>>1018077
in all fairness to them, ancaps have come up with some methods of solving collective action problems using market mechanisms

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Now that we're going to have Tubman on the twenty I thought it would be timely to go over the history of the underground railroad.

What was the success rate of the average slave that tried to escape via the railroad? I was always told in history classes that the majority of slaves were caught and made an example of, but if 100,000 really did escape how many were caught?

Did any presidents or notable political officials like Calhoun or Clay mention the railroad?

Is Tubman's legacy warranted or was it just memed up over time because she was a black women first and a pioneer conductor of the railroad second?

And Polacks, calm yourselves. While I don't share your seething rage for basketball Americans I do believe that from an historical achievement standpoint this was a lousy choice considering how superior Fredrick Douglas was and cosmetically unappealing this new twenty will be.
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>>1015997
They just picked her because she's the only african american woman anybody ever heard about in the school books.

I am interested about the success rate, but i think that figure would be really elusive. It would be hard to measure successfully escaped slaves, they'd obviously be living off the books.
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>>1016044
I do agree that they picked Tubs because it was an easy way to kill two representation birds with one stone, but I disagree over her relevancy. Rosa Parks is touted as the most important female figure of the civil rights movement and personally I would have preferred that she got the spot.
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>>1016044
>>1016066
Do youvpeople live under a rock? There were thousands of people who supported a particular individual who called for Tubman's face on the 20$

Tubman also led the Raid at Combahee Ferry freeing upwards of 600-700 enslaved people.

So I've been reading up on the Jesuits, and one of the things that caught my eye was how Galileo accused the Jesuits of being in the way of progress and science, yet the Jesuits have been a great benefactors to science and mathematics. This led me to the Galileo affair, in which reading through it, gave me the following question.

Technically speaking, wasn't the Catholic Church actually in the right scientifically speaking, where they didn't want to adopt Galileo's proposal of the Copernican model, where he had inadequate proof and faulty evidence? From what I've read, it seems that they were perfectly okay with it as a theory, but they had issue with him pushing it as fact without the proper evidence and data to back up his claim. It seems more of Galileo's own hubris that caused this to be such a big issue rather than the church just being assholes.
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Galileo was the first person to practise the scientific method, never accepting any theory until it was confirmed by experiment. In the 16th century Copernicus hypothesised that instead of being at the centre of the universe, the Earth went round the sun. But Copernicus didn't offer any evidence; that came in the 1600s when Galileo made a telescope - not the first, but the best thus far - and turned it on the sky. He discovered sensational things: that the moon has a rough surface like the Earth's, disproving the medieval belief that celestial bodies are "perfect"; that Jupiter has moons, suggesting that the Earth with its moon is merely an ordinary planet.

The Italian Renaissance was killed by the counter-reformation. It is a disturbing historical example of what can happen when religion gets its own way.
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>>1011329
From what I'm looking at though, Galileo didn't have the proper empirical evidence and made faulty excuses in his proposal, such as bullshit about the tides, to push his point. The church was on the right side when rejecting the Copernican interpretation as absolute fact, given the information at the time.

Guy skipped a lot of the scientific method due to his arrogance.
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>>1011414
While Galileo was a huge dick who basically got into a dick waving contest with the most powerful organization in Europe, the papacy was guilty of forcing Galileo to denounce Copernicanism as heresy.

It's a striking incident when the Catholic Church had previously been more open about such things in the past, during the Middle Ages and the Renaissance, despite that being when Aristotelian became accepted Dogma.

The Catholics felt forced into becoming more antiscience because of Protestant criticisms.

It was a bad time for progress.

Daily reminder that it actually happened.

As Jesus Christ prophesied it.

Less than a century after the jews killed him, Jerusalem, the Great Whore of Babylon, was completely annihilated by the Beast it was riding on, Rome.

The Second Temple was blown the fuck out.

Over 1,1 million jews were massacred (including many foreigners because of Passover) and early 100,000 were ensalved.

This is what happens when you kill the Father's Son. You experience His Wrath
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Josephus described the scene:

As the legions charged in, neither persuasion nor threat could check their impetuosity: passion alone was in command. Crowded together around the entrances many were trampled by their friends, many fell among the still hot and smoking ruins of the colonnades and died as miserably as the defeated. As they neared the Sanctuary they pretended not even to hear Caesar's commands and urged the men in front to throw in more firebrands. The partisans were no longer in a position to help; everywhere was slaughter and flight. Most of the victims were peaceful citizens, weak and unarmed, butchered wherever they were caught. Round the Altar the heaps of corpses grew higher and higher, while down the Sanctuary steps poured a river of blood and the bodies of those killed at the top slithered to the bottom.
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Josephus had acted as a mediator for the Romans and, when negotiations failed, witnessed the siege and aftermath. He wrote:

Now as soon as the army had no more people to slay or to plunder, because there remained none to be the objects of their fury (for they would not have spared any, had there remained any other work to be done), [Titus] Caesar gave orders that they should now demolish the entire city and Temple, but should leave as many of the towers standing as they were of the greatest eminence; that is, Phasaelus, and Hippicus, and Mariamne; and so much of the wall enclosed the city on the west side. This wall was spared, in order to afford a camp for such as were to lie in garrison [in the Upper City], as were the towers [the three forts] also spared, in order to demonstrate to posterity what kind of city it was, and how well fortified, which the Roman valor had subdued; but for all the rest of the wall [surrounding Jerusalem], it was so thoroughly laid even with the ground by those that dug it up to the foundation, that there was left nothing to make those that came thither believe it [Jerusalem] had ever been inhabited. This was the end which Jerusalem came to by the madness of those that were for innovations; a city otherwise of great magnificence, and of mighty fame among all mankind.

And truly, the very view itself was a melancholy thing; for those places which were adorned with trees and pleasant gardens, were now become desolate country every way, and its trees were all cut down. Nor could any foreigner that had formerly seen Judaea and the most beautiful suburbs of the city, and now saw it as a desert, but lament and mourn sadly at so great a change. For the war had laid all signs of beauty quite waste. Nor had anyone who had known the place before, had come on a sudden to it now, would he have known it again. But though he [a foreigner] were at the city itself, yet would he have inquired for it.
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>>1020430
Interesting.

You often see popular depictions of legions being mechanized war robots advancing steadily and slowly. But here they're just angry as fuck and charging

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If Hitler listened to his generals and left Berlin when the soviets attack, what would be their next plan?
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>>1018395
>their

The Nazis or the Soviets?
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>>1018399
Oops. I meant the Nazis.
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They probably would've betrayed him and surrendered to the brits/americans.

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Seems like half of Irish look tanned and Mediterranean, Spanish, Portuguese, Greek looking, while the rest are very light skinned and look almost Nordic. Why is this?
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>>1018235
The darker ones are the indigenous peoples, the lighter ones are Celtic/Norse/British
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The ones that look like Colin Farrell are descendants of the original Iberian population the other ones are descendant from a later Germanic-Celtic population which supplanted the native darker ones.
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>>1018235
The ones that look like left are descendants of the Tuath Dé, the ones that look like the right are the descendants of the Fomori.

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Who /scythians/ here?
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>>1017654
Sauce on that manga.
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I wish I could dress like a gnome
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>>1017659
Sauce?

>>1017664
Debased Hellene pls go.

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If you could change a single event in the world history, no matter how big or small, what would it be?
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>>1019780
With a thread like this, you're just asking for /pol/-tier replies.
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>>1019780
I'd make it so that this thread was never posted.
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>>1019780
4chan is never created.

Or the Bronze Age Collapse never takes place. That would have some of the biggest effect I think. All the languages would be different, Western and Eastern culture as we know it wouldn't exist. Technology would probably be radically different too.

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How does a rag-tag volunteer army in need of a shower somehow defeat a global superpower?

Seriously, how?
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>>1019670
Ill paid scum of the earth from colonial settlements in red uniforms vs. ill paid scum of the earth from colonial settlements with Prussian military training.
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>>1019670
France
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>>1019670
French arms, french ships, a french European distraction, and an ocean limiting response time.

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what /his/torical fantasies do you have?

I personally spend at least an hour before bed fantasizing what it'd be like to ride the steppes and conquer the world under one banner
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I spend time dreaming about being a well to do during Le Belle Epoque.
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Taking some whore from nam back to the United States

I sometimes have historical fap fantasies along those lines
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>>1016731
Being a Britbong sailor in the 18th century, sailing across the Pacific and trading iron nails for sex with hot Polynesian girls, all without having to fear scurvy.

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Post your favorites.

>Handled the Mexican-American war wonderfully, annexed the entire southwest of the US
>Negotiated the acquirement of the Oregon Territory
>Reduced tariffs
>Had no personal motives behind running for president
>Issued the first postage stamps
>Accomplished all of his main policy goals in one term and didn't run for reelection
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>>1016173
I mean he didn't rerun cause he was dying
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>major fuck ups. changed the republic for the worse
FDR, LBJ, Woodrow Wilson, Andrew Johnson

>mid tier fuck ups.
Reagan, Bushes, Clinton, Obama

>minor fuck ups
truman, hoover, Andrew Johnson

>honorable mention
the congress and state governments that passed prohibition
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>>1016197
He died of cholera 3 months after leaving office
He had also pledged not to run for reelection in the past

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Let's start a thread about badass saints and stupid saints.
This badass Saint with an axe is Saint Boniface. He chopped down Donar's Oak as a fuck you to the Norse God's. But for some reason, despite being pictured with an axe he's not the Patron Saint of Lumberjacks. That's some asshole named Saint Gummarus who was some noble in a horrible marriage who left his cunt wife and lived as a hermit.
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>>1017638
Here's a picture of Gummarus, notice he's not holding an axe
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>>1017638
How about Martin of Tours who called down angels hold back a crowd of rustic pagan scum so he could burn down their temple. And then they all saw the glory of God and praised him. well until like most early converts they held onto old superstitions and other idols that hadn't been destroyed by the local saint in the making. post-Constantine Christianity is full of this shit desu. christianity is of meek and mild Jesus indeed
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>>1017661
A better one is Saint Guinefort. He's literally a dog that a nobleman left to look after his newborn while he hunted. When he came back the crib was flipped over and the dog was covered in blood, wagging his tale. The noble killed the dog only to pick up the crib to find his baby, unharmed, next to a dead snake. Despite the Vatican's efforts to purge this cult people still venerate Guinefort until the 1930s

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Who was in the wrong here?
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>>1015487
Marius held too much power, and wanted even more. Sulla just wanted his army from his consulate.
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>>1015497
Yep. This is something that so many people don't seem to get. Rome was completely in the hands of traitors who had usurped her legal government, with all power in the city extralegally resting in the hands of two men, one a tribune of the plebs (Sulpicius Rufus) and the other a mere private citizen (Marius).

What should Sulla have done, let command over to Marius and allowed himself to be exiled or massacred by Marius and his supporters, as so many others were? Fuck that. Sulla fought with Rome's fighting men against Marius and his slaves and hired ex-gladiators to take back the city.
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>>1015487
Well, Marius wanted Rome for himself when Sulla tried to heal a decadent Republican regime. Sulla was a man from the past, when Marius understood the future of Rome.
#TeamSulla tho, I admire what he did for Rome and his sacrifice.

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Why are the Gospel's accounts of Jesus's so sketchy?

*Writings began 40-80 years after his death
*Extremely low amount of detail, especially at his trial. Mathew's Gospel for instance only has one spoken line by Jesus and the trial is over in a a few sentences
*Accounts contain contradictory information. In some Gospels we are told Jesus remained silent through the entire trial, while in John's Gospel he is giving a big speech. The number of people in various scenes change
*Gospel tell us the trial was not a public, making something as detailed as John's Gospel suspect (espcially when it's written 40+ years after the fact)
*Gospels were written anonymously, probably not by the proclaimed author. The church just had to make a guess at who wrote what. It's generally accepted 3 out of the 5 Gospels are actually multiple documents by different authors copy-pasted together. The 4th &5th John and Thomas contain very different portrayal of Jesus, escpially at the trial. John's trial is unlike any other and Thomas skips the trial completely.

>In contrast look at the accounts of Socrates which is 500 years earlier, yet the information is preserved far better and in a manner far less sketchy.
*Writings about him began within the same year of his death.
*Extreme amount of detail given, Phaedo gives more details about one day of Socrate's life than all 5 Gospels give about Jesus's entire life combined.
*All the accounts match up even down to small details.
*All the witnesses were confirmed to be at the trial and jail, both of which were public events.
*Writings were not anonymous and indisputably written by the proclaimed author
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>>1017402
DUDE JUST READ AQUINAS ITLL ALL MAKE SENSE LMAO
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>>1017402
>Why are the Gospel's accounts of Jesus's so sketchy?
They aren't
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>>1017402

Because as a historical figure he probably did not exist, and even if he did he was such an unimportant personage in his own time as to warrant zero record even in the relatively advanced recordkeeping Roman Empire. He was as known worldwide as a random ISIL organizer was today to put it in context.

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