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Can we have a thread about Cataphracts? What made these guys so amazing on the battlefield for thousands of years?
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I thought they were shortly used cavalry, in a very marginal part of the empire, til better methods were discovered.
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>>1051726
>I thought they were short used cavalry
What?
>in a very marginal part of the empire
What?
>til better methods were discovered
What?
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stirrup and stronger breeds of horses
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Burgundian lance composition 2016-04-27 19:29:41 Post No.1051629
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Burgundian lance composition
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I was reading about late medieval warfare and happened upon Charles the Bold's 15th Century ordinances describing the composition of a lance. Ideally, it would consist of a man-at-arms and a mounted swordsman together with a mounted non-combatan, three mounted archers and one pikeman, one crossbowman and one handgunner. Now, historians debate if a lance was a purely administrative unit or indeed a tactical unit but this is not really pertinent to this thread even though all discussion is welcome.
What I'm more curious about is why the different kinds of missile troops are mixed? Do they compliment each other and are used in conjunction or is it because the recruitment pool was too small to allow just handgunners for instance?
Also, the mounted archers, were they expected to dismount or did they actually fight on horseback like a skirmishing force? They were paid a little more than the ground soldiers, I don't know if this is because their skillset or to help pay for the upkeep of the horse.
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>>1051629
>What I'm more curious about is why the different kinds of missile troops are mixed? Do they compliment each other and are used in conjunction or is it because the recruitment pool was too small to allow just handgunners for instance?
I'm more inclined to think that it had administrative purposes, e.g. provide a commander with a good ratio of troops. I don't think they would fight together. Fielding cavalry and infantry together in the same unit would have made no sense, as it would have only slowed the cavalry down. When it comes to different types of missile troops it's possible that they complemented each other, but most contemporary depictions, that don't feature some sort of siege, usually don't show troops being mixed. They might have different quality of equipment, but they're usually armed similarly. When it comes to mounted archers, both is possible. I've definitely seen archers fighting from horseback in historical depictions.
As an example, here's a late medieval army taken from the Hausbuch Wolfegg, one can see that the troops march together depending on their type of equipment.
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>>1051928
I've just noticed a few crossbowmen among the men with the handguns, so essentially I've proven myself wrong here. Nevermind what I said in that regard.
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>>1051928
Interesting. Around what time would this painting be from? Also, from the ordinances we know that the crossbowman and handgunner were paid the same, so there doesn't seem to be any favoritism in play. With that said it'd be interesting to know just what drove so many leaders into hiring handgunners. By all accounts they were slow, unreliable and inaccurate as opposed to other type of missile troops. Economics? I get that they would be frightening but by the middle of the 15th Century guns would hardly be news to any field soldier.
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The Roman Empire was shit 2016-04-27 19:13:34 Post No.1051535
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The Roman Empire lasted a gorillion years.
Which technological advancements happened in all those years?
99 out of 100 technological or artistic wonders of the Empire were taken from other people who, after creating shit like crazy, stopped doing so under Roman rule.
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>>1051535
It's so cute when children have such strong opinions of things they know so little about
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Oh yeah? and your mom was better?
ITT:
Names you wish you could name your children
>Gaius
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Adolf/Adolphus actually sounds pretty good with my last name desu.
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>>1051355
shoo shoo Hitler
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He'd catch shit on /his/ but I actually like the name Charlemagne
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Barter Economy is a Myth 2016-04-27 18:25:01 Post No.1051291
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http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2016/02/barter-society-myth/471051/
so apparently currency and debt was not preceded by a barter economy, but rather a "quid pro quo" community system where everyone gave what they could to anyone who happened to be in need
what does /his/ think of this? the article suggests that the concept of currency was a freak idea that happened to spread out succesfully, and is now so firmly embedded in our collective mindset that we retroactively think bartering came before it
is money just an evolutionary mistake? do debt and currency allow for too much subjugation of the people? should we set up a "from each according to his ability, to each according to his needs" system instead?
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I still don't understand the difference between barter and banter. English is a retarded language.
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>>1051297
>i don't understand thing so its dumb
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>>1051305
t. Anglo
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History of Homosexuality in the NatSoc Movement 2016-04-27 18:09:08 Post No.1051180
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History of Homosexuality in the NatSoc Movement
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What are examples of homosexuality in the National Socialist movement?
Ernst Röhm is the obvious example. Is it true that the hard anti-gay stance of the party only emerged after the Night of Long Knives to justify the killing of Röhm and his men?
Another example would be Michael Kühnen, an important figure in the German neonazi movement of the 90s, keeping his orientation a secret until rumors began to spread, writing a short gay neonazi manifesto and shortly after dying of AIDS with many of his comrades in denial about his convictions and cause of death.
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This is an interesting sythesis of nazi fetishism and tumblr "queer studies"
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>>1051209
I just don't like disrespectful language, Anon.
Nazi is a slur and NatSoc is much more neutral and free of judgement, be it positive or negative.
I would have written National Socialist movement but I'm also kind of lazy..
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Was the Soviet Union still salvageable when Gorbachev took over the reins?
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It certainly was. Most republics in the Union did not want to dissolve it. His overzealous desire to try to solve a long term issue in a very short period of time destroyed the union.
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>>1051109
Wasn't most of those Republics money draining ones from Central Asia?
The Baltics jumped the chance to get away as soon as possible when they could, and they were among the richest republics.
He could definitely have done something about the Armenian-weird spelled country border problems.
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What would the Middle Ages have been like if the Roman Empire had still existed? Would the Ottoman Empire and Arab Caliphates have expanded as far as they did? Would the Romans have led a crusade?
inb4 hurr but the Greek speaking Orthodox Byzantine Empire wuz Romans durr!
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>>1051057
I dunno
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>>1051057
Byzantines.
/thread,
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>>1051057
You mean what would have changed if a major european event didn't happened and predict the changes on a scale of a millenia ?
I think we would have been in space, besides, the Roman Empire continued to exist.
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What even is?
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>>1051054
dude weed lmao
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>>1051054
It depends on what the definition of is, is.
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I am a man. What do I know of existence!!
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ITT: philosophy trivia
>Thales, Anaximander and Anaximenes started philosophy in Miletus around the same time coinage was first introduced
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>Diogenes was the first shitposter
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Diogenes was the first and only bersmench.
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Empedocles was the last philosopher to write in verse, and he threw himself into a volcano.
Were the Nazis truly evil like they are portrayed to be? Why did they steal artwork?
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>>1050750
>any human
>actually evil
Go back to /meme/
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>>1050750
maybe
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>>1050750
define evil
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I have a project in my history course. I need to go and select a historical subject and connect it to this day and age. i am pretty dry on idea do you people have any clue what I can write about?
Thanks!
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Fall of the roman empire. Destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah. Sinking of the titanic.
Take your pick.
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age of the barbarian invasions
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>>1050681
Crusades. Massive European migration of muslims. You're welcome.
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It's my birthday - let's play a game, /his/!
Choose:
- A year between 500 BC and 0AD
- A location for your city-state
- The composition of a 20,000 man army fielded by that city state, which must be composed only of those units fielded by nations which your locale had cultural contact with/extensive knowledge of in that time period.
Explain, for bonus points:
How your army beats the army of another poster in this thread.
I'll start:
I choose the Island of Rhodes in 200 BC.
My army is composed of a main force of 6,000 hoplites, 2,000 macedonian sarissas, 4,000 slingers, 2,000 archers, and 4,000 peltasts armed with soliferrum as well as standard javelins and short swords, trained in the Lusitanian style of warfare. These men would be supported by auxiliary wings of 800 scythian-style horse archers and 200 sarmatian-style lancers each.
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>>1050627
Autism
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>>1050627
Thats more like a /tg/ thread.
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>>1050627
Happy birthday, autism boy.
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If cavalry were best used attacking the flanks and rear of an enemy then why was heavily armoured cavalry ever a thing?
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to protect themselves from enemy pointy bits
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>>1050454
to beat less armored cavalry and protection from missile fire.
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>>1050454
Cause a charge is awesome.
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>"to the strongest"
What exactly did he think would happen?
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>>1050434
nothing cause he probably didn't say it
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>>1050434
He was just butthurt he wouldn't get to live to rule his empire, so he intentionally sowed the seeds of a civil war so no one could rule it.
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>>1050444
this tbqh