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What are, in your opinion, the top five most important primary sources for understanding the Middle Ages in Western Europe?
I would have to say:
>Summa Theologica
>Defender of the Peace
>Romance of the Rose
>Chronicles of Froissart
>The Song of Roland
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Wow, solid list there, OP.
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>>1108284
Is that sarcasm?
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>>1108290
Of course it is you fucking retarded
Go read a real book instead of some old poems that barely anyone read at the Middle Ages. How the fuck are aristocratic poems that the commoner never got access important sources?
And you didn't even mention the Divine Comedy, a rather influential book written by some italian guy, maybe you heard of him. Go throw yourself in a fire
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Who was this faggot? Why do I keep seeing people talk about him on /his/? What did he do?
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He made Europe a more Godly, peaceful, and prosperous nation. Bless you, Martin Luther.
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he's the original shitposter
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he just wanted to marry a nun and fuck her
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Why was he the only Communist leader who didn't go full retard and genocide
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he had a war to fight
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>implying he didn't
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Land_reform_in_North_Vietnam
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>>1108120
Marshal Tito wants a word with you
>tl,dr: Columbus was Pedro Madruga, a spanish noble man from Galicia who had to run away to Portugal with his friends and years later came back to Spain to offer to the Catholic kings his proyect.
This theory is almost 150 years old, and it wasn't debunked yet. The only thing that make it fail to the Genova Origin Theory is the fact that some documents were written in top with ink to take photos of the text properly, and now it is prove by scientific analysis that they are completely genuine and their content is the same.
In this thread I will post some coincidents that, I will sure you will make you think that I'm right.
>First coincidence: Pedro Madruga was born in San Salvador de Poio, Pontevedra, Spain. Columbus name the first island that he found San Salvador.
>Second Coincidence: Colon celebrated the festivity of the Virgen de la O in the Americas. The Virgin de la O is the principal festivity in Pontevedra.
I will post more coincidences in this thread.
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>Third Coincidence: He took the principal ship, La Gallega, in Pontevedra, and name it Santa María de la Inmaculada Concepción, which is also a mayor festivity in Pontevedra.
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>Third Coincidence: Pedro Madruga and Christopher columbus used the same weird torture method with his enemies: They naked them and put it in a donkey: Pedro Madruga did it with Tui's bishop and Columbus with a native woman.
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>Fourth Coincide: He named the second island he found Porto Santo. Porto Santo is also a place in Poio, Pontevedra.
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What was the relation between the Nazis and Mediterranean people?
Did Hitler and the "Aryans" see them as "non iqual"?
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Italian Fascism died when it adopted racial views.
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>>1107704
I doubt he gave it much thought. Italians seem alot more Germanic in their everyday behavior than most people would think. Go to italy and you will see they act and look pretty white.
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>>1107704
I theorize there is a direct corelation between human migration
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Inspired by the thread about Göbekli Tepe that just died, let's have another one.
Everything is fair game.
SITES: Puma Punku, Lake Titicaca, Bimini Road, Yonaguni Monument, Oak Island, OBJECTS: Kensington Runestone, Devil's Bible, Antikythera Mechanicm
CRYPTOGRAPHY: Rongorongo Tablets, Voynich Manuscript, Rohonc Codex, Phaistos Disk
If it's ancient and stumbles us as to its making or purpose, it belongs here!
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Previous OP:
let's talk about this
it is honestly the most remarkable archaeological find in my opinion
here is what we know
>megalithic structure, built around 9 500 BC
>older than Stonehenge by 6 000 years
>bigger and more impressive than Stonehenge
>built by hunter-gatherers
>I'll repeat: built by hunter-gatherers
>built before agriculture, before writing, before the wheel
>deliberately buried and left around 8 000 BC
so what do you think?
people think it's spoopy because it was deliberately abandoned and buried
but I think it was the proto-Sumerians who left it when they developed agriculture in the Syrian area
I don't remember the site, but there is a village south of Göbekli Tepe where the earliest evidence of grain cultivation is found
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terra_preta
Turns out the entire fucking Amazon rainforest is man-made.
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This is fascinating, especially the predator structure built on the rock.
Any recommended materials to read on this?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6bekli_Tepe
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Bought this chair from a funeral Parlor. I don't know if this is the right board to come to but I was wondering if anyone could give me any information on it
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Side view
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>>1107470
I'll give you 10 bucks.
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>>1107470
Yep, that's a chair.
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Historiography discussion.
Would you say Middle Ages and Moderns Ages would be a same period, or not?
There are serious changes since Anquity to Middle Ages (Christianism, Islam, Mediterranean Sea is fractured, Europe is born). Also, from Modern Ages to Contemporany Ages too (USA, technology and industrialization, liberal revolutions).
But I think Middle Ages and Modern Ages could be treated as a same period (even with evolutions, techonology is pretty much the same, Church is the main focus, some states like HRE or Venice were born at the beginning of Middle Ages and dissappeared at end of Modern Ages, etc). What do you guys think?
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>>1106796
you should change the name "modern" age with rennaissance or early modern for convenience. when you say modern people usually think of the 20th century.
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>>1106796
That depends. In the Americas, Medieval to Modern was a massive difference if you were an indigenous person. It's the collapse of a huge number of civilizations.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antony_C._Sutton#Biography
>"Wall Street's involvement in the Bolshevik Revolution [was] to destroy Russia as an economic competitor and turn it into "a captive market and a technical colony to be exploited by a few high-powered American financiers and the corporations under their control"[4] as well as its decisive contributions to the rise of Adolf Hitler and Franklin Delano Roosevelt, whose policies he assessed as being essentially the same "corporate socialism," planned by the big corporations.[5]
>Sutton concluded that it was all part of the economic power elites' "long-range program of nurturing collectivism"[2] and fostering "corporate socialism" in order to ensure "monopoly acquisition of wealth" because it "would fade away if it were exposed to the activity of a free market."[6]"
Was he right?
Why does no one bring this up?
Is this /x/ material?
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>>1106729
>Is this /x/ material?
>Sutton studied at the universities of London, Göttingen, and California and received his D.Sc. from the University of Southampton. He was an economics professor at California State University, Los Angeles and a research fellow at Stanford University's Hoover Institution from 1968 to 1973.
Seems like a pretty credible guy, the only reason someone would consider this /x/ material is that they don't like the conclusions he comes to because they disagree with their worldview.
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>>1106758
Yeah I know, this is why I'm asking because it doesn't appear to be something held in common knowledge. Might be me though.
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>>1106729
Makes sense, while I do not quite believe in a Jewish conspiracy or at least a single one, I think the goal of the "economic power elites" as he calls it ultimately are completely dominance of the market and suppression of any form of competition. But technically that is what every business sets out to do, it's just a matter of feasibility.
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So /his/, I wanted to make a thread on the Landsknecht, but as that would be rather limited, let's have a thread dedicated to what you think are the most badass warriors / soldiers in history.
But also please red-pill me on the Landsknecht or at least tell me what i can read to learn about them.
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>>1106666
Kek, flamboyant kraut fucks, mercenaries to top it off. Never will you find a more wretched bunch of vile cunts.
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>>1106674
Yeah but wasn't their flamboyancy to just piss everyone else off? Like the way they had enormous codpieces and used to show their bare legs just to annoy and shock modest german etiquette?
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Has excessive altruism for outsiders by the native inhabitants of a society ever been the key factor in the collapse of civilizations in the past?
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>>1106417
Rome
>The Foderati will defend our borders when we're old!
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>>1106423
This.
>Better invite a bunch of violent alien tribes to settle our land, they'll end up being an asset, you'll see
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>>1106663
They would have been if the Romans treated them better and had given them more money and incentives to assimilate to Roman culture and society.
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Hey /his/, I'm gonna have to write an essay soon about African history, without a prompt, so if you guys could help with some of the major stuff that went on in africa from say 400-1600 ce, and where I could research that.
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>>1106326
>WE
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UNESCO - General History of Africa (8 volumes)
I downloaded 3 volumes in portuguese for free a few years ago
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Ethiopian history is really fascinating imo.
If it wasn't for the Ottoman empire fucking them over, they would have become the biggest and richest African empire.
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ITT: historical figures you are related to by blood
I'm related to Mawloud Mukhlis, an Iraqi general who joined the Arab revolt against the Ottomans. He's mentioned in T.E. Lawrence's book.
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>>1105908
I thought you mudslimes didn't believe in nationalism.
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>>1105920
fuck off, retard
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_nationalism
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>>1105953
Aren't all mudslimes supposed to coalesce into one big blob of slime without regard for ehtnic/cultural distinctions?
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Is there any justification for the way France acted during WW2?
>Considered a super power
>had the phony war time to build up defenses even farther
>folded within a month
>Set up Vichy government and actively aided the Nazis
>aided in jew deportations
>fought against Americans landing in North Africa
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>>1105589
>considered a super power
lolnope
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>>1105589
>>Set up Vichy government and actively aided the Nazis
No. France was under occupation, but was never allied with Germany.
>aided in jew deportations
True, but you must remind few jews were actually deported. Many french citizens protected and hid jews. Even today, France is one of the country with the biggest jewsih population in the world.
>fought against Americans landing in North Africa
Well, yeah. Vichy French was neutral, they couldn't accept a foreign power landing on its territories.
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>>1105631
>found the frog
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What's this site problem with the term "revisionism"? It seems apparent that the posters on several boards around this site, use the term revisionism as a way to insult the ideas of other posters and basically shitpost.
From the times I've visited this board, I've noticed that some of you are history students, so you are a bit more critical of the historical discipline and I'm sure you understand the concept of revisionism a lot better.
I'll give a small example related to a subject I'm knowledgeable about: the Mexican revolution. Once it "officially" ended and years later when the most important political party in Mexico was founded, the PNR (Partido Nacional Revolucionario), there was this fervent love for the revolution and its ideals: the lower class rights, the needs, and importance of the peasant and their right to their land, love for democracy and the demonization of the old government and the re-election practices.
However, decades later, around the 60s, historians began to question this idealization of the revolution and began to explore other perspectives, trying to answer questions like "was it a fair revolution?" or even "is the revolution actually over?", thus, a revisionism of Mexican historiography happened.
The same happened in the Soviet Union during the 60s and 70s, when groups outside the party decided to revise Marx's writings and the interpretation of the URSS about them. So, historic revisionism is something quite natural that happens over time, it's an adjustment for the times we live in.
However, many posters (with a /pol/ attitude I must add) use the term revisionism as a way to disqualify an argument. Heck, I may have said that it happened on this site, but I've seen it happen outside in real life. So why do you think it happens? Ignorance maybe? Are we living in a rather radical political environment where both sides are more propaganda than critical thinking?
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People on 4chan misusing a word? How revolutionary.
Seriously though, I fucking hate the ongoing fight between far right and far left on this board, but it's probably better than being an echochamber for one political spectrum (like both /pol/ and /leftypol/).
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>>1104351
> What's this site problem with the term "revisionism"?
Fringies can use the term to make new understandings in the main stream sound like fringe developments themselves.
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>>1104370
>fringie
Please excuse me, I've never heard of that term before, would you mind explaining it?