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Rome is like Steve Jobs, it didn't actually create all those wonderful laws, military tactics, and iPhones, those were all made by people that Rome subjugated, but nobody cares about them because they weren't the leaders whose face you saw, Rome/Jobs was.

See also: Justinian the Great, so called despite having never left Constantinople and all of the conquests attributed to him were actually done by Beli"literally who"sarius. Or Genghis Khan and Subutai, or Augustus and Agrippa.

Yes they are overrated. Han china and Persia were superior.

you say this while writting using latin alphabet

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well technically they were

>60s
no religious moral police roaming the streets
>2016
religious moral police roaming the streets.

I don't care how much of a shit Shah's rejime was. Mullahs and Basij ruined their nation.

>>1198788
Hmmmm, i wonder why that could be.

It certainly couldn't be because a very popular leader who was doing good things for the country was overthrown by the two most powerful western countries over oil interests (Which is not a conspiracy like Iraq, this is mentioned in the official documents as why they did it), who then gave the power of the nation back to the monarch over the elected prime ministers by making the prime minister a general, and then the more powerful of the two western powers pressured that monarch to follow a Western morality even on the Islamic issues that even liberal Iranians were still conservative on, making the people feel helpless to a Western imperial force.

Iran was the biggest fuck-up of the US, and it was almost entirely the US's fault. It is embarrasing to know my country's politicians are still so bitter they fucked up so badly that they caused a popular revolution, that they still haven't ended the break in relations.

>>1198424
He was just a man

>>1198424
He was the Man.

>>1198424
my favourite t*rk

>>1196255
>Korea
Occupied by Japan
>Thailand
Still poor.

Also Japan BTFO its own standing by going apeshit nationalist. The European powers saw Japan as an upstart imperialist (which it was) and so sidelined them in the Versailles treaty. By 1930's Japan wasn't considered "Western" (so thought Japan itsel) and in 37, their barbarity in the Sino-Jap wars removed them from the European idea of a "Civilized" nation.

>Legitimate
What does this even mean?

>>1196271
This. Maybe they would have been better respected if they'd mellowed out after beating Russia in 1905.

>>1196271
But why is Thailand still poor? What allowed Japan to more successfully Westernize?

The western world doesnt mean northern europe especially back then.

>>1195000
Greeks literally defined "Europa" as their side of the Bosporous and "Asia" as the other side, a division that is still used to this day
they invented the concept of Europe

A: The Romans emulated the Greeks tremendously, culturally and artistically, and they built a super-Western state that united people under a common identity
B: Greek literature and philosophy is the cornerstone of Western literature and philosophy. Not to mention mathematics.
C: Greeks were the medium Christianity spread through, and it was Christianity that kept a common identity in the West after the Roman Empire fell.

Probably some art theft

>>1194051
Queen Victoria

Alexander the Great

>>1192650
Religion is fascinating. I do not like Abrahamic religions. The dualism, the human exceptionalism, its static nature of reality etc. Some of the Christian ethics are okay.

I am currently reading about Aztec metaphysics, and what they think is closer to how I see the world: ever changing reality, destruction and creation, becoming etc.

Since I am atheist I cannot believe in the supernatural, but religions have ethics, philosophy and worldviews that I might endorse.

Another thing I lack with the Abrahamic God is imperfection and bad luck.

>>1192687
I meant to say that I can't find imperfection and bad luck within the Abrahamic God. Lucifer by the way is also interesting. Except for edgelords into Satanism.

>>1192692
The book Memnoc the Devil paints my favorite version of Lucifer.

>>1191792
They be saying that Hitler shouldn't have gone after Stalingrad an instead should've gone straight to the oilfields or somethin

The thing is, even the generals were idiots. Sure you have Gunderian, Manstein, Kluge, but you also had way too many idiots convinced they knew better. When they failed they would blame hitler. Look at Paulus,
He commanded the 6th army, Germany's strongest, well equipped army.
Instead of encircling, and rushing in when Russia was on the retreat and taking Stalingrad in weeks, he sat back ordered/waited for the Luftwaffe to turn the damn thing to rubble, then ordered his tanks in.
When he could of pulled out, he didn't.
A whole army annihilated

>>1192368
paulus was a real asshole and got a bunch of guys killed but he was a staff officer with little training on the elements of warfare and no prior experience in the field .

>>1191666
Born in Galway, raised midlands about Dublin.

What comes to mind? My grandfathers brother getting shot in Northern Ireland by proddys.

US of A.

Probably that one in Afghanistan that's been going on for 15 years.

Mostly it depends on context and how old the person is.

Ancient: WWI
Really old: WWII
Old: Korea
60's-70's: Vietnam
40's-50's: Gulf War
Younger: Iraq and Afghanistan

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>>1191666
Frisia

Friso-Hollandic Wars: Hollanders, as they are called, are filthy and cannot be touched (also worship money).

From this day to the day of today we (Frisians but also other Northerners) are still opressed and all the money flows to the "randstad". It saddens me.

:(

that's /tv/ humour

Eh, not really. Modern, first world definitions of child-abuse encapsulate things that are normal in 2nd and 3rd world countries and which only 50 years ago would have been considered standard practice throughout the world.

Or you could just be completely driven by ideology and ignore all that.

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>>1201501
>protestants
>christians

nice joke anon, nice joke

>>1201501
>Does Christianity inevitably lead to child sexual, mental and physical abuse or is a new reformation of Christianity possible where this doesn't happen?
>where this doesn't happen
>doesn't happen
It's people in power abusing their power. It's disgusting but it's facts of life.

yeah i don't get it. also they think postmodernism is leftism

>>1199520
this, most people who are against postmodernism have no clue what it's about.

>>1199530
>>1199532
Why is there this phenomenon of fedoras in our generation? By this, in this case, I men men in their twenties who follow Carl Sagan on Twitter, refuse to listen to anyone else, thinks philosophy ended with Nihilism, STEM-circlejerking, "everything was perfect in the 50s", kind of fedoras.

Is it a direct offset to Postmodernism?

My grandpa.

>>1192663
If?

>>1192726
Wopps

Yes, it should read:
>What if Alexander lived to be 80 years old?

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This brave soul.

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>>1202223
Can you maybe give info on how he "did nothing wrong"?

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I think the current collapse of Venezuela will wake up people to see what Chile would be like without Pinochet.