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What are the pros and cons to Fascism? And I don't mean National Socialism, I mean general Fascism.
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Pro: Troll the fuck out of commies

Con: Everybody will make fun your dick long after you're dead
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If you have competent and reasonable people at the top you can get more shit done and better than demoracies.
If you don't, then your nation will die.

Note that facism works best with culturally and ethnically homogenous nations.
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Trains run on time

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Where were you when Ted Kaczynski BTFO the media?
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>>1313910

His handwriting's pretty nice.
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>>1313910
That motherfucker got dosed by the CIA.


http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2000/06/harvard-and-the-making-of-the-unabomber/378239/
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He was right about pretty much everything, you know.

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Are there any good studies/ observations regarding the affects of a fallen/ defeated nation or emoire primarily focused on how it affects the people within that nation, especially in modern times? For example, looking at how the confederate's defeat is handled in the southern states or how the new generation of Russians look at the Soviet Union.
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>>1313125
There's a great book called The Collapse of Complex Societies, by Joseph Tainter. It focuses mostly on the technical/economic aspects of civilisational collapse, but illustrates its point with plenty of historical examples that might tangentially answer your questions.

To sum it up, after the initial period of chaos and painful readjustment, things for the average Joe get surprisingly better than they were before the collapse.
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The Decline of the West
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>>1313147
This anon is right. Once society collapses things are usually bad for a few decades, but once things calm down some the quality of life improves greatly.

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I want to discuss this interesting topic with you all.

I'll now express my opinion on the topic, that is that the Etruscan culture was born in the Italian soil and originates from there, nowhere else as there is no archaeological evidence to prove it.

These are the reasons why the theory of their origin from Lydia is wrong:


1)The only argument for their Lydian origins is that many different ancient historians stated this.

Now, we know well how inaccurate most ancient historians could be, often using mythological accounts to explain the history of an enthic group or region.
The historian who started the tradition of the Lydian orgins of the Etruscan was Herodotus, whom we know for often being inaccurate and giving semi mythological accounts, such as that of the Eritrean origin of the Phoenicians or that of the Egyptian origin of the people of Cholchis (Nowadays Georgia).
2)Let's look at the archaeological evidence, not only early iron age Lydians spoke Lydian, an Indo European language, but their culture and art was very different from that of the Etruscans, Etruscan art is original to Italy and unique, being somewhat influenced by Greek art (the Kuroi mostly), also the Etruscans were much more artistically active than the Lydians, who didn't leave us any notable artistic masterpiece, in opposition to the hundreds of Etruscan frescos, statues and sarcophagi, that again, are unique to Etruria and not found in Lydia, how's that possible? Did the Etruscans suddendly chang language and started being much more artistically productive in their new lands? this makes no sense. If Lydia was their homeland one would expect to find at least some mound tombs decorated with frescos like those of Etruria, or some of the typical sarcophagi, none of that is present in Lydia.
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>>1312864
Even the Etruscan architecture has no parallels in Lydia, the arc for instance was developed in Etruria and is a huge element of the Etruscan architecture, there are no arches in ancient Lydia.
Also what about Bronze age Lydia?
Well first of all it wasn't even called Lydia back then, nor Sardis was ever mentioned at the time by the Hittities, and we know that they were a Luwian people, so still very much Indo European, differently from the Etruscans, who spoke an isolated language, again, the Bronze age people who inhabited what would have been Lydia did not leave us anything that suggests that they were the ancestors of the Etruscans.
3)Another easily debunkable argument in favor of the Anatolian origin of the Etruscans is the Lemons stele, written in a language similar to Etruscan, which is for some a proof of their Eastern origins, this makes no sense because:
1)The stele has been dated to the sixth-fifth century bc, while the first documents in the Etruscan langauge date back to the 7th of perhaps even 8th century bc, so if anything this is a proof of an Etruscan outpost/settlement on the island, as we know that the Etruscans were known as sailors and pirates by the Greeks, it is quite possible that they installed some ports in the Agean to trade with the Greeks.
2)The Lemnian language is only attested on the island and nowhere else, not in mainland Anatolia or Lydia, where people spoke Lydian and other Indo European langauges.
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>>1312864
>>1312866
Just a note: Anatolian Indo-European languages were very different from all other indo-European languages.
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So what are the Etruscans then?

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15 cents of Imperial Russia (St. Petersburg) in 1900.
Condition: below average.
Mint: Saint Petersburg.
Mintage: 12,665,009 pcs.
Metal: Sterling Silver 500 samples.
Weight: 2.7 g
Diameter: 19.7 mm.
Edge: Milled.
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Interesting. I've never been into numismatism, but I can see its appeal.
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I never see modern coins so worn down, even fifty year old quarters. I know this coin is 115 years old, but it has not been in circulation that long. In fact I doubt it was in circulation after 1925 or so.
Is it that silver is just that much softer than copper alloys we use today?
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>>1313773
That'd be correct.

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/fa/ggot here

Can someone tell me who this is a tattoo of? Maybe it's just a generic philosopher/emperor type...
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my sister got some greek bitch on her leg
I hope it's a greek who-ah
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>>1312533
Greek tattoos are getting popular

Still waiting for an ID
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>>1312516
socrates is my guess.
that beard reeks of socrates, but it might also be generic.

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"A village, a small village was provisionally erected, with temporary structures, and in it approximately 20,000 Jews were put. By means of this newly invented weapon of destruction, these 20,000 people were eradicated almost instantaneously, and in such a way that there was no trace left of them; the explosive used developing temperatures of from four to five hundred degrees Centigrade."

IMT XVI pp. 579-580 (German text).
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>yet another holocaust thread
Oh, fine, just this once.
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Is this meme good or is it just a meme?
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>>1312048
Just memein the memes along pham
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tl;dr : it's worth the read, no matter how much people will tell you it's not.

Diamond presents an essential piece of the puzzle on what makes civilizations survive, but, as his harshest academic critics would say, he oversimplifies it to 2-3 reasons or causes.

but overall he it not /wrong/ per se, it's just a sweeping generalization on the basic foundations of societies and peoples.
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>>1312072
>continually uses counterfactual history to support his points
>he isn't /wrong/
He's as wrong as your idiotic fucking post.

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[spoiler]He did nothing wrong[/spoiler]
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>>1312040
[spoiler]You did something wrong, though.[/spoiler]
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>>1312040
Ironically that's what he did wrong, that he did nothing.
Hadn't he pussyfooted around the nobles he maybe could have been able to push through the reforms necessary to hinder the revolution.
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>>1312040

[spoiler]He did nothing[/spoiler] which is what he did wrong

Can you folks give me some sources for the study of Roman History. I am not looking now for major books on specific periods and happenings, but a larger and broader view of the whole. For example, I know that Gibbons work is quite detailed, but I do not want to study only the decline and fall in so much detail now – I want to know first a beginning-to-end full-cycle of Roman history, and only after that I pretend to specialize more.

So, what can you recommend on:

>books
>documentaries (even better if they are available on youtube)

Thank you.
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>>1311920

bump
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I can't think off the top of my head of any books that are about the complete history if Rome from its founding to its decline.. too much history there to provide a detailed account. Read Livy's Early History of Rome and all of his books for that matter. That's a good starting point.
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>>1312721
I forgot to mention there is A History of Rome to 565 A.D. by A.E.R. Boak. And it's free online too.

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So Phoenicians were Dravidians right? Yeah.
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>>1311433
Dravidians actually have the same skull shapes as Caucasoids. They are one of many sub-groups.
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>>1311734
Of course they do.
I don't get your point.
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>>1311433
What makes you say that? Also, the guy in that picture doesn't look like a Dravidian at all.

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What are the times in 20th century's media and art history that large resources were devoted to something really intelligent and thus not normie?
Something that was brilliant but did not involve any crowed pleasers to make it more palatable..
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Hadron collider was pretty anti-normie.

The downside of democracies is that a large quantity of resources goes to low IQ plebs. We will probably never go back to the moon due increasing non-white population = dead weight.
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>>1311059
>art and media

My bad.
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>>1311036
Waiting for Godot

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Where did most pilots in WWI come from? Could you just sign up for it when joining the military?
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I don't know details, but you couldn't just sign up for it. They were all officers, for one thing, which means they were all from the upper classes.
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>>1310910
Most were already civilian pilots before the war and simply turned military when the war started
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>>1310910
Today, all pilots of military aircraft are officers. That means they graduated college or went through a military academy (college+bootcamp for officers). I imagine the same must have applied for WW1.

So I imagine only well educated individuals from a most likely wealthy background were capable of being pilots. The military probably advertised it as a program for anyone interested.

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Well done Jews, very well done. HOWEVER
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>>1310890
lol
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>>1310890
"Don't misunderstand why I have come. I did not come to abolish the law of Moses or the writings of the prophets. No, I came to accomplish their purpose.

MFW Herzl was the true messiah.
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'Kay, where did this meme start

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How do you parry with a Axe?
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>>1310824
shaft

and no it dies not break when hit by an axe or sword.
shafts are incredibly strong and rarely broke in battle
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>>1310824
Yeah. I do it all the time in Dark Souls.
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>>1312659
You can't parry with an axe in dark souls though.

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