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>>1322634

Pretty inaccurate.

In 1939, the American navy tonned equally with the RN and had, on average, more modern ships. With the naval treaties expiring, by the time it entered the war, it was well ahead of the RN in warships, and when the Essex class vessels came out, it wasn't even close. The claim that the RN was the best, or that the Americans couldn't defend their coastlines, is absurd.

Also, the Luftwaffe is pretty infamous, and the Americans did quite a bit to batter it down in the daylight raids from 42-44, while the Brits mostly bombed at night which had correspondingly fewer losses on either side of the air war.

Also, the Battle of the Atlantic was significantly impacted by American actions. Americans provided a lot of raw material and later Lend-Lease to the British. People talk about how much aid the Soviets got, but the Brits got almost 3 times as much as the USSR received. They also, even before officially entering the war, created an expanding security perimeter upon which they shot at German subs (although generally ineffectively)


The Middle East was not a big exporter of oil during the 40s. Rommel's orders were to hold Cyrenica to prevent an Italian collapse, deciding to conquer Egypt had nothing to do with seizing oil, and a lot to do with securing the med, as well as violating direct orders from his superiors in OKW. Rommel was actually a pretty shit general, at least at the job he was most famously assigned to.

He incredibly simplifies the North Afrtican campaign, but so do a lot of people. Oh, and at El Alamein, roughly 35% of Monty's tank force were American tanks, I'm not sure about planes, artillery, and other supplies.

Also, he totally ignores the American landings in Morocco (operation Torch) which is what forced Rommel to pull all the way back to Tunisia instead of making a shorter pullback into Libya and re-striking, the way he did after losing the battle in 1941, Crusader, that pic guy conveniently fails to mention.


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>>1322701


Military deaths being about 80% on the Eastern Front is a bit old these days, although most modern estimates put it to 70%; that's somewhat deceptive though, because

A) Most of the Luftwaffe losses were on the western Front.

B) The Western Allies did a lot more bypassing than the Soviets did. Bordeaux, troops in southern France, the stuff sent to the Balkans and Greece to stop invasions that never came, the 13 division in Norway, etc; the Western Allies forced the deployment of millions of troops who never saw combat, which are effective losses as far as the war is concerned.

D-Day wasn't America's "first day at war", they had been in North Africa since 42, and Italy since 1943, and had far more of the reserve troops ready to flow out once the beaches were secured.

Oh, and guess whose planes did most of the interdictive bombing so that the beachheads couldn't be easily reinforced or counterattacked at.

He also amusingly completely fails to mention Dragoon, the operation launched a month later, which was about 80% American and the remainder Free French.

CBI was a pretty small theater. It wasn't any bigger than the Solomon islands campaign. And the British barely deployed at all against the IJN, and when they did, they got crushed.

If his point is that Britain was an equal contributor to the war effort as America, quite frankly, he's wrong.

>>1322705
>>1322701

Thanks.

Bump for interest.

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This is a really good book on the aviation side of things, covering the fuckups and dumb ideas

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>>1322022

Aztec

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>>1321969
>tribe

The Crow

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OP here

I'll get the discussion rolling.

I think that after the Roman empire, a precedent was set that had spread across the known world, something to emulate and strive towards.

With the increase in naval technology, trade was increasingly profitable being able to exchange goods from places such as India in the seventeenth century.

Security of people whilst initially maybe, it greatly surpassed that. Britain in its efforts to maintain and expand their world-encompassing empire, had largely neglected it's citizens. Victorian London was rife with disease and unsanitary conditions, whilst the empire enjoyed it's most progressive era.

Wealth. That's the story of every empire ever.

The elite get rich for a while, then eventually people fight back.

>>1321931

What about Alexander the Great?

Nah, the Bible is to be interpreted literally. It was written by dumb nomadic sandnigs that couldn't even wash their own foreskin

>>1321312
Holy shit, Why do actual illiterate people start so many threads asking idiotic questions?

The gods could make themselve invisible. Did you even read the Odyssey? If the gods wanted you to see them you would see them even on Olympia.

>>1320948
The vast majority of gladiatorial games didn't end in death for the participants.

>>1320948
They began as ceremonial slave duels to honour the dead in etruscan and early roman history. Perhaps in the etruscan culture they were actual human sacrifices, but when they became a business of entertainment the gladiators would rarely die. It was expensive to replace a slave so the fights were more controlled and less violent than what you see on tv.

they didn't even try to kill each other. it wasn't even a real competition but scripted show comparable to modern day professional wrestling.
have you ever heard that meme how gladiators were fat so it would protect them from cuts and thought how retarded the idea was since you can easily stab through even the fattest fat?
that's because it's not about stopping the real cut intended to kill you but being able to take small fake cuts to spill a little blood without hurting yourself for real.

An asshole is still an asshole, even if they did do some good deeds. Fascism really wasn't going to survive in Europe anyways, Churchill's contribution wasn't that great

But Marxists don't seem him as the most evil liberal.

>>1320891
Well, he was Lord of the Admiralty during WW1 making him responsible for Galipoli... after three projected models had prove the British and their allies would be unable to take Constantinople... one of those three projected models being OF HIS OWN DESIGN.

>>1320751
bump

Well philosophy is the foundation on which ideologies are built, and thus is important to any subject which deals with political questionings, such as economics.
Ethics come into place in most subjects too of course. Further, in economics for example philosophy is important in order to define the basic concepts. What is utility and welfare really? Such questions.

>>1322093
thanks for the contribution

>>1320538
tits out, probably

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>>1320543
>tfw some of the bronze age's aspects may just be similar or identical to the Conan The Barbarian movies

>>1320554
Wololo/10

Yes.

>>1320300
FUCK YOU KING YOSHIYAHU THIS IS ALL YOUR FAULT FUCK YOU DEUTERONOMY IS A PIECE OF SHIT

Because Abrahamic faiths, Christianity and Islam are selective in nature of their acceptance of idea of God.Selective in terms that every single human being must worship their God.
Islam is actually the perfect system for conquest and destruction of other faiths.Every single little thing in Islam serves greater purpose, and that one is to spread Islam.
Compare now that to native European faiths, and you will see just how naive for example druidism or norse polytheism was.

>>1319878
Canada!
>France in 1763
>America in 1812
>Germany in 1918
>Russia in 1991

>>1320043
>Canada
>Not a colony until 1984

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>>1320043
>America in 1812
Kek

G L A D S T O N E

Based imperial jew

>>1319527
The one who didn't let Gordon die.

>>1319401
The concept of godkings is a rather unique concept at this time.

What you want is a comparative reconstruction of Bronze Age era descriptive - not normative - moralities, if I understand you correctly.

I believe you're asking for a PhD thesis, and assuming we even have sources for all listed civilizations, of which I am not sure.

I suppose we could start by comparing funerary rites, the concept of soul, the divinization of kings, holy war, etc.

>>1319401
>Minoan

We know nothing sice their texts have never been translated

>Myceneans

The documents they left don't say much but we know they were a warrior people, that piracy was honorable for them (according to the Odyssey)

>>1319040
WE

>>1319044
WUZ

>>1319071
PATRIOTS

Julian the Apostate was a Neo-Platonist so that

>>1319021
>Neo-Platonist

Did Platonism have any influence at all on the thinking of the Hoi Polloi?

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