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He gave them all the tools. what went wrong?
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What went wrong? Didn't the coup succeed?
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>>1418009
Still ongoing.
Hope to god that it does, and that it's kemalists instead of Islamists.
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If we view the bible in an academic light, and agree with the academic opinions that the bible was written by multiple sources and yet still contend that god is not JUST a literary fabrication to direct ideas and understandings about morality and other issues, how do we explain from this position the fact that the bible was written by multiple authors and used by them to make sense of different realities of human life?
Meaning how do we explain from the perspective of religion the fact that religious ideas and doctrines were used in this way(to struggle with the realities of human existence) and came about for these purposes?
So instead of saying that god is a certain way and contemporary research contends with the idea of god, how do we reinterpret god and divinity to take account of how they are used as political and social and moral tools?
Maybe we can say that the revelation of god comes or can come or can only come as an attempt of humans to organize and structure society and its operation and thus the actions of individuals within society.
That god is not revealed to us through dogmatic rereadings of older texts as religious texts, since such sharp distinctions did not exist back then. There werent many texts in general surely no sharp distinctions between history and myth and so on.
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The historical relevance of god, even if according to a materialist world view god is a meaningless term, makes it so that even in materialist terms god might as well have been real since the historical belief in a real god caused people to act and do certain things.
We can say that god is something that is inherent to us and our attempts to understand reality as a result of its historic relevance and existence.
The idea of the attempts to understand or define god, much like a person might try to understand certain patterns of his behavior since he can remember himself is this redefinable godhood.
God not necessarily as an all powerful all controlling creator of the universe but as some characteristic that spreads across our understanding of ourselves and the world, a sheet that covers or pervades us. A stratum that is redefined and reunderstood through our attempts to understand it and its role in our lives. it exists in and at the place in which we put it through our questioning and attempts to understand It.
It is at the border, at the limit of our thoughts and research but at the same time it also potentially pervades everything. Godness, manifests itself when we question what is this historical reality of god and our attempts to understand it, and try to understand it from different perspectives. It is inherent to us, a part of us as individuals and as a society but is neither the cause of us nor our creation but is a changing part of us and our existence which changes as we explore it and redefine it.
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>>1417829
God isn't exclusive to the Bible.
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You have no idea who God is, do you?
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So what class did Karl Marx & Friedrich Engels themselves belong to?
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Both, solidly middle-class bourgeois. It's actually a big part of their identity and undeniably shaped their lives and attitudes. The 18th and 19th centuries were very interesting times for the middle-classes.
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Bourgeoise
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Upper-class obviously.
"Socialism is for the rich, free enterprise is for the poor" - Gore Vidal.
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If Wahhabism/Salafism never received strong state support, would Islamism be as prevalent as it is today?
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Which states have supported it except Taliban
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>>1417743
Saudi Arabia and ISIS are the two largest ones at the moment.
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>>1417757
Well yeah, Saudi Arabia is defenitely a huge problem
How did we start thinking of the bible as some sort of absolute truth? Was there something about a certain time that made people decide to start interpreting the bible as some sort of ultimate dogmatic truth? Surely the early israelities that wrote and read the old testement did not think of it as absolute truth. Was the idea of such truth arise later?
Was it a result of certain political realities? As in it was advantageous to present it this way to make it popular?
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>Surely the early israelities that wrote and read the old testement did not think of it as absolute truth.
How do you came to that conclusion?
They thought of it as truthful enough to sacrifiece rams, their neighboors went even further to satisfie the protoganists of their own myths sometimes..
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>>1417701
>How did we start thinking of the bible as some sort of absolute truth?
Uhm... because it says it itself?
Also, the doctrine of extra eclessiam nulla salus.
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Here's a hint: [spoiler] political power [/spoiler]
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How did Islam spread all the way to fucking Indonesia?
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Through good old violence
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Indonesia seems pretty nice for a muslim country.
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With the sword.
Islam=submission.
Islam = violence.
>tfw can't even make myself eat healthily anymore due to existential crisis reasons ("Who cares, looking good is a spook" or "Procrastinating this won't mater, having low willpower won't matter" etc)
>tfw struggling to have any beliefs at all (whether to work hard or be lazy)
>as shown by my 4chan presence I just do whatever is lowbrow enough to manipulate me (internet, fast food)
wat do???
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>not willing the Good for its own sake
>having an inner life so devoid of feeling for life and existence he needs to be argued into not living like a fucking animal chasing the dopamine dragon
lmao I feel bad for u son
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Just like start lifting heavy weights alot
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>>1417482
Just waddle over to /r9k/, they give plenty of excellent advice.
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>ITT we list the ideas that really made us go nutballz.
1)When I was taught how a mathematical limit is defined.
2)When as an athesit and after studying philosophy I realzied that there is a space for god in our coneptions of existence.
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>When as an athesit and after studying philosophy I realzied that there is a space for god in our coneptions of existence.
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>ITT we list the ideas that really made us go nutballz.
>MFW I learned Austria and Australia were different countries
boy it sure cleared up a lot of confusion I had
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>MFW taxation is theft
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Why did the mongols convert to islam? It sounds very illogical to convert to a religion of people you BTFOd. Also why didnt they also convert to orthodoxy when they conquered Rus?
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>>1417116
because politics is not a contest of who btfos who
you have to compromise to win over supporters
the difference between golden horde and ilkhanate was due to population factors if i remember correctly
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Because it was the will of allah, no matter what happened islam would still prevail in the end
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>>1417116
>you BTFOd.
>who are the mamluks
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World War II Documenteries 2016-07-15 17:16:49 Post No.1417047
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World War II Documenteries
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Any cool WWII documenteries that you can recommend?
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>>1417047
Really. Aren't you supersaturated with WWII documentaries yet? There are a half dozen every day on cable and more just waiting on your Netflix.
Golly
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>>1417047
Adolf Hitler: The Greatest Story Never Told
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>>1417047
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vnu5uW9No8g
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Discussion of the 13th Century Mongol Khanate and Asiatic trade supremacy in the middle ages 2016-07-15 16:51:58 Post No.1416954
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Discussion of the 13th Century Mongol Khanate and Asiatic trade supremacy in the middle ages
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So, pictured here is Kublai Khan, the Khan of Khans in the Mongolian Empire. An empire which, at its peak, became the largest one the earth had ever known.
Kublai was the first Mongol emperor to unite China under the Than dynasty, and grandson of the Great Chinggiss (Genghis) Khan.
If Marco Polo's tales of his great travels are true, Marco rose to a level of importance in the royal court of Kublai, and upon his return to Venice told stories of the silk road, persia, the steppe, China, and recounted stories of the vast armies of the Khan, (the most powerful man on earth at the time) sweeping through southern China and destroying the Song Dynasty.
There was much infighting between the traditional nomad Khanates and the great house of Kublai, and many historians believe that kublai's influence was mostly limited to inner Mongolia, and north/south china.
His empire extended from Mongolia to korea, the sea of Japan to the baltic, and included many Slavic, (poland, east germany, rus, hungary, the crimeab khanate, etc) Persian lands, Arab lands, the Caucasus mountains, and southeast Asia and Burma, though India remained unconquered.
I feel there is little discussion in the west of the brief period of Asiatic (Chinese, Mongol, Persian-Arab Islamic) supremacy here in the west.
Any one have some light that they can shed upon the periods often known as the Islamic Golden Age, The Mongol empire, and the age of Chinese sea faring exploration?
Why were these cultures only so briefly dominant? Why did they fall into dissarray and relative poverty only to be conquered later by European colonizers?
I know the Arabs and Persians mostly just translated and built upon older scientific books and manuscripts from rome, greece, egypt, etc, but why was that not enough? What stopped the far east's supremacy?
I hope some lurkers with useful knowledge find this thread and are open to enlightening me with more information.
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He United the Chinese under the Yuan Dynasty, not "Than". Damn autocorrect
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The empire was too damn big.
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>>1416970
I understand this and the huge logistics problems the Mongols faced, including their being forced to become religiously tolerant of all faiths and using a meritocracy to promote foreigners from conquered lands to administrative positions, which in theory is not bad in and of itself, yet it opened the door to treachery and conspiracy from many administrators that despised the slaughter the Mongol armies wrought upon their homes.
However, even if the Mongol empire collapsing dealt a large blow to eastern supremacy, the Chinese still had amazing technology and a sea-faring fleet of ships ripe for trade, exploration, war, and colonization. What stopped then from conquering the world as opposed to the British, Spanish, or Dutch many centuries later?
Was it Chinese isolationist policy?
i thought this night be relevant to your interests, and cause a little outrage at the destruction of history.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/11101639/WW1-machine-gun-found-in-mans-garage.html
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bait
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>>1416904
why is it bait? it's genuinely horrible.
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Well the artillery shells and explosives were blown up, not the guns, helmets or uniforms, I think, too lazy to read the whole article
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ITT: We act like we aren't just arrogant young dumdums and present how world should work in our opinion and insult each other based on our ignorance
i'll start
I think every nation should balkanize so every country would have +/- same number of citizens and those countries should then be locked in regional unions (Iberian, British, French, Bengalese etc.). Mainly it would be for bigger diversity, competition and less power to individuals.
Also every nation should be democratic, but there should be some tests examining knowledge of the current political situation, so only people who know what they are doing would vote.
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Everyone should be plugged into a cranial droud that constantly triggers euphoric chemicals.
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>>1416765
What is Balkanization? I am aware I could easily look this up, but I'd much rather talk about it on a Cantonese rice trading e-bulletin.
As for democracy I agree. Only through true democracy can the people become more aware of politics. I know at first it'll be a massive shitstorm, but I hope that through trial and error a true democracy would lead to a new political era where one votes on an issue rather than for representation. I feel that representative democracy has been made obsolete with the advancements in social media, GPS, file transfer speeds, etc.
So I disagree on limiting the ability of a person to vote regardless of that person's knowledge on the topic. That is the exact system we have in America that led to the two parties.
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>>1416765
one time i read an interesting idea in one book
newly-crowned emperor of this huge empire would have to be locked in his room the day after corronation and spend whole of it from dusk till dawn reading this one huge book. The room or the book, i can't recall which, were full of some drug, so when reading this book, it literally brainwashed this emperor into being a perfect ruler as he was described in the book.
How do I find out about the early christian saints? There's so many of them and I don't know which are relevant or which are made up, what miracles they performed, what they said, what role they played in spreading Christianity, etc, etc.
Is there any good books on the subject for people who don't know where to begin?
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Bump. Really interested in the too.
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>>1416533
It's probably fairly safe to assume most of them are made up.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Catholic_saints
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/his/, can you tell me something interesting about Joan of Arc?
I'm interested about her, but don't know much.
Especially something about her personality and looks, or is this kind of information lost in the depths of history?
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>>1416520
She was a qt
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>>1416538
>short haired girls
>cute
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>>1416566
>Has never seen "better off dead" or "bill and teds excellent adventure"
Pleb