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Origins of Abrahamic religion 2016-07-19 06:32:39 Post No.1432824
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I'm an atheist, but I like origin stories. So I have been researching Islam, Christianity, and Judaism. Islam's origins are pretty well known, and Christianity started as a sect of Judaism. So what are its origins? I pieced together bits from archeology, OT, and contemporary religions in the area. I want your thoughts. Here's the story as best as I can figure it:
Judaism originated in Canaan. At that time Canaan was polytheistic. Their main god was called El. Some of the lower gods included Ba'al, Asherah (or Asheroth), and Yahweh. Ba'al was a storm god, Asherah was El's wife in many of the stories, and Yahweh was the god of war.
Each god had a temple devoted to him/her. The priests for Yahweh's temple were angry because people didn't show him as much respect as they did Ba'al. In protest, the Yahwists declared they were their own country and started a war against Canaan. What else are you going to do when your god is a war god? This occurred circa 1200-1000 be.
Like any other war, the propaganda began flying. They said Yahweh promised the land to them, they accused the Canaanites of every sin they could think of, and they used religious edicts to cut off economic ties by prohibiting their people from consuming Canaanite goods ,e.g., pork. They also began attributing characteristics and actions of Ba'al to Yahweh. The most conspicuous example is probably Ba'al's hatred of snakes. This is why Yahweh curses a snake in Genesis. As Yahweh supplanted Ba'al, they viewed Ba'al less favorably. Eventually it became a derisive term, a sort of shorthand for evil and sin. This pattern carried on through to Christianity where you find Ba'al as the root word of Beelzebub.
The Yahwists continued to reform and refine their belief system and national identity. This caused some internal conflicts resulting in the two separate kingdoms of Judah and Israel around 900 bce. To be continued...
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Zoroastrianism
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>>1432829
/thread
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>>1432829
Greatly influenced yeah but this isn't a helpful response when talking about its real origins.
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Is Monotheism most stupid religious idea in the world? Everything in the world is not created from beginning to end by one person. How can the world be created by one person?
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>>1432666
Good point dude
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>>1432666
dude weed lmao
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Is religion the most stupid idea in the world?
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Was it a mistake?
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Only the red and the southern yellow.
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>>1432653
Gavelkind is always a mistake.
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>>1432714
It makes sense in tribal societies where the holdings of the tribe as a whole are small and you want to prevent infighting but when the territory being split covers vast territories which would be much better if they were collectively ruled together then, yeah, it's not so great.
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Muslims, why do you think that:
>avoiding dogs
>not eating bacon
>having women cut nails to skin lenght
are all important to a healthy society?
Also please share some other unusual things about Islam, and why they exist in the first place.
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Are there even any Muslim posters here?
Anyway those were pretty practical sanitary ideas back in 610 in Mecca.
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>>1432522
>"Anyway those were pretty practical sanitary ideas back in 610 in Mecca"
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>>1432510
>Muslims
>4chan
>an obscure part of 4chan
Lol how fucking high are you
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>implying you would still have anime if US never drop the bombs
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>>1432473
Japan didn't paid enough
Not as in relation of Germany
[spoiler]The italians were the lucky ones to only lose a few ethnic villages in the west, the meme colonial empire and slovenian istria[/spoiler]
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>>1432492
Italians are masters at manipulation during war.
>Betray the triple alliance and win WW1
>Betray the Axis and win half of WW2
Just wait until WW3 and Italy betrays the German dominated EU
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>>1432492
Austrians really lucked out.
They didn't have to pay for Hitler, and they avoided being conquered by Stalin.
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Could Operation Valkyrie have succeeded?
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>>1432447
YES, EVIDENTLY.
YOUR QUESTION IS IDIOTIC.
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>>1432447
sure, but the entire plan hinged on Hitler being a corpse when it was put into effect.
even then, It's really not entirely clear on what the allies would do to Germany were it to sue for peace with Hitler dead. that's almost completely up to speculation on whether there would actually be peace talks where Germany would have a say in said talks.
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>>1432447
>alright, we made it what now?
>now we surrender everything east of the Oder-Niesse and our country is divided in two for 50 years
I wonder what kind of peace treaty would the Germans get
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Nixon just wanted to record how american politics worked for future generations, and people took a shit on him :(
It isn't fair! People would hate jfk if you recorded him fucking whores and planning invasions
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Fucker commited a host of crimes and his lackey got him off scott free so he could deny them for the rest of his life. Should have gone to jail desu, also fuck off with your bait theads.
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>>1432732
Replace fucker with JFK and lackey with RFK and you have the Kennedy administration.
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>>1432732
What crimes did he commit?
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Understanding the Orthodox conception of Theosis 2016-07-19 02:46:23 Post No.1432192
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Understanding the Orthodox conception of Theosis
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2016-07-19 02:46:23
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Let us think of vinegar as human nature, and oil as divine nature. Christ was like a cup filled with both (the Chalcedonian description of this would be "two liquids, oil and vinegar, without separation", the miaphysite description would be "one liquid, oil and vinegar, without mixture or confusion"). But the vinegar of Christ (here representing human nature) was different from other vinegar in that it was not contaminated by poison (even Mary, though she did not *create* anymore poison to contaminate vinegar, still suffered from the poison herself that had been in spreading in creation since the fall, that is what brought about her dormition).
Now we are all just vinegar (that means the human mind, soul, spirit, and body, all distinct concepts in Orthodox philosophy), and we are mixed with poison. But our vinegar can achieve a *communion* with the oil, and therefore become as one with it in the same way Christ's vinegar was--that is to the point that our vinegar no longer maintains distinct hypostasis, but shares the hypostasis of the oil (but doesn't transform into oil). This is achieved both spiritually (through things like stillness and contemplation of the divine) and physically (most particularly through Communion, where we add Christ's vinegar with our own in order to achieve the relationship of his vinegar to his oil).
Hope that makes sense.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I9p---FA48s
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The *poison* by the way here means sin (not necessarily sinning, since, like Mary, things can suffer from sin without being guilty of it, all creation does).
Also, the poison is dissolved by Christ's blood. That is what purify's our vinegar. Thus even though we are vinegar and have a "sinful nature" (poisonous nature), vinegar is not naturally poisonous, human nature is not sinful, rather our sinfulness is a secondary nature taken on which *impairs our humanity* (just like the vinegar is impaired by being mixed with 90% poison, since it is barely even vinegar at that point).
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Can we all agree that O Virgin Pure is the best hymn
https://youtu.be/ncckxAjp8uY
>i'm never going to know everything in this lifetime
how do you cope?
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>>1432164
Release the angst of things outside your control. Resolve to live well by your own efforts instead.
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By not thinking about limits like lifetimes and just enjoying and learning as much history as I can in my free time.
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>>1432164
The life of this body is not eternal but the soul lasts forever
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There is a reason that we've had religion for such a long time. I've seen thread after thread on this board by fedora tippers not being "able to believe that there's still people who believe in magical sky gods in 2016!!". I'm not a Christian, in fact most of the Abrahamic religions seem incredibly outdated and retarded to me, but I don't understand why the notion of a god needs to be restricted to believing in the God of the Christians, Jews or Muslims. Religion was created for a variety of reasons, to stop society falling back, creating boundaries and new morals which were alien to before the religions were founded. A fine example is a lot of western countries in today's world. Look at what is now normalized. Borderline public nudity, sex is everywhere, pornography is advertised on a wide scale, and on top of that, so many other societal problems. Why can't people see this? If you think whoring out your daughters at 14 is fine, the institution of marriage is corrupted, then it's all fine for you.
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>>1432138
Because of human pattern recognition, intense socialization, and imagination.
We are biologically wired to create Gods everywhere we look.
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>>1432138
Ancient philosophy is not separate from religion. The truth of religion is unborn the same way the universe came into existence. The records of the early tribes should not be so easily rejected as it is today.
The reason religion is separate now is because the world is pulling as many people as they can away from it and because religion became a political power rather than teaching the spiritual teachings it was originally meant to.
Christ taught the simplest teaching, and the world took it and "re-crucified" Christ by making it a divided group of people who do not agree on aspects of religion that aren't even related to Christ.
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>>1432138
>There is a reason that we've had religion for such a long time.
what if that reason is "people are superstitious"
human behavior follows from their environment, not necessarily addresses it. we've had lots of completely retarded things for large amounts of history.
also your sentiments are shit and you like dicks.
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Can't find a straight answer to this. 2016-07-19 01:57:45 Post No.1432037
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Can't find a straight answer to this.
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Did the Pagan Europeans use psilocybe? If so, to what extent?
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>>1432037
>Adolf, the enemy Frank's have archers that shoot arrows and spears that stab and hurt
>Oh shit Herman what do we do?
>Take these magical Tyr shrooms
Now that long pointy things don't hurt as much and Adolf goes on to kill an upwards of 6 million enemy warriors
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Doesn't grow naturally in Europe so no. They had Amanita Muscara way up north but if I remember right it was really only the Sami that used them, and those aren't a psychedelic in the traditional sense.
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>>1432047
But now Adolf is retarded and possibly his liver/kidneys are failing.
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Why does geography matter?
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>>1431896
>darling harbour
sydney is my home and i miss my home. fuck man your pic floored me.
also, wtf kind of question is this? why does the study of earth's surface and the human habitat matter to people who live on it? really?
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Because if you're lucky you will have access to trade routes, natural resources and soil that's good enough to support (and expand) your population size.
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>>1431906
Debate with a friend. Aside from that, why not just come back?
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I'm new to history and I'm wondering where to start.
Im a poorfag so I can't buy many books, if you could also point me to any good website other than Wikipedia I'd really appreciate it.
Not sure if these threads are allowed so I'll delete it when I get a reasonable idea of where to start.
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>>1431740
www.4chan.org/his/
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>>1431742
Kek
But I'd have to ask about a specific series of events or person (which I obviously wouldn't know about because I haven't read about it)
>tell me everything about The Great Schism
Wouldn't get many replies
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>>1431740
Well for starters you need to pick a specific thing to research. Do you want to learn about European history? Asian history? Middle Eastern history? African history? Also,
>buy
>>1431758
Oh it will get you replies all right, but 90% will be roleplayers shouting "DEUS VULT" and other assortments of bullshit
When did western women take the dominant position in the relationship and what exactly led to the rise of egalitarianism?
It seems that for such a long time that the strong opressed the weak whenever the opportunity presented itself
It seem egalitarianism is a fresh concept
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>>1431654
>when did women take the dominant role in relationships
It was a gradual process, started by their entry into the workforce. Once they began to find jobs outside of shirt factories and reception desks the power shifted even further.
Modern feminism ensures that it continues to shift whilst simultaneously making relationships less common. My guess is that it will come full circle since less men want relationships i.e. children, due to the toxicity of female dominance, then womens value in the social aspect of society decays aswell
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>>1431654
Women for centuries have always held a relationship in a couple that is not equal but fair with the husband. As well as being care givers and watching the children the mother has often controlled finances in the family dating back all the way to Sparta.
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>>1431707
Some cultures give women more power but let's not pretend like women have had much power. Look at Africa and the Middle East where you can mutiliate women and face no repercussions
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All the continents have female names
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>>1431603
The same reason ships are named after women, sailors and cartographers are a lonely bunch.
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>Americas
???
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gonna name my first daughter South America