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post your historical fantasies ITT

>tfw you'll never be a patrician in Ancient Rome
>tfw you'll never own your own harem of northern barbarians
>tfw they'll never tan under the roman sun like pic related
>tfw you'll never expunge them of their culture for your own

when will this suffering end?
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>tfw you'll never be a b17 bomber's Gunner
>tfw you'll never drop a payload on a German city
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>never being a Alexandrian cavalry companion.
>never tearing down the Persian Empire
>never fighting through ambushes in Afghanistan.
>never marrying an Afghan QT and having many kids.
>never crossing the Indus.
>never witnessing Alexander pettily destroying his army in the Gedrosia because we wanted to go home.
>never leaving the army to setting in the Fergana Valley raising horses
>never dying old, after many years telling great grand kids about how i rode with Alexander.

God its not fair.
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>I will never be a mongol raping my way through Europe

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>duchess or similar
>pasty white (so from Northern Europe)
>known in Europe for being beautiful
>famous painting of her wearing white dress sitting on hours, with fancy castle or something in the background


Any ideas?

I don't think she had any historical significance apart from the beauty bit.

>pic rel
Quick mockup. Less ringu
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>>1470806
She lived sometime between 1500 to late 1700 and around the time of the Great Northern Wars
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>>1470806
>hours
*horse
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Lady Godaiva?

She's usually nekkid tho so probably not.

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Ancient chronicles thread?

This is to post fragments of ancient traveler's chronicles of foreign lands.
I'll start with a fragment of the Atlas Chinensis, wich tells us of XVIII century China through the eyes of Dutchmen. (http://quod.lib.umich.edu/e/eebo/A36730.0001.001/1:55?rgn=div1;view=fulltext)

Page 591

But the whole Empire is strangely besotted with the study of Alchymie, there∣by* to get the Philosophers-Stone, by which they not only Inrich themselves by turning all things to Gold and Silver, but also that Elixar makes them Immor∣tal, which many Emperors before and since the Nativity have endeavor'd to at∣tain to.

The Chineses affirm, That there are Rules and Commandments of both these Arts, found out first by very Ancient, Learned, (which the Chineses reckon amongst their Saints) and afterwards from one to another, deliver'd to their Successors: They say also, that these first Inventors, after having▪ perform'd many excellent and soveraign Works, ascend both with Soul and 〈◊〉 toge∣ther to Heaven, when they began to grow weary living on Earth.

They also tell us, That anciently a Person liv'd without the Walls of the City Nanchang, which assisted many needy People, and •…ast p•…ntiful▪ Alms amongst the Poor, because he by the Art of Chymistry could make pure Silver. He also (say they) had by the help of Divine Arts, a Dragon, who threaten'd the Ruine of the City; after which, having Chain'd him to an Iron Column of an exceeding bigness, he, his whole House and Family ascended up to Hea∣ven; For this reason, the Citizens out of a Superstition, erected a great Chap∣pel for him; and the foremention'd Iron Column, the better to keep up the re∣putation of the Fable, is there to be seen at this day.
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>>1470801

But however they decline the converting of Metals into Gold or Silver by the Stone, yet the Emperor himself, and most Eminent Persons of the Empire, make it a great part of their business to study Immortality, from the promis'd Restauration of Youth, by the wonderful Operations of this Elixar: To which purpose, as there are many Students, so there is no want of Masters; and the whole City of Peking every where pester'd with their Laboratories; and though never so much deluded, yet fresh hopes carry them on with a fervent desire to bring their Work to Perfection; being perswaded by these Mountebanks, that their failings happen'd from some mistakes, but now, if they would begin again, they make no question, being since better inform'd, to finish the so long expected and happy Work.

But before we leave our Alchymists, take this from Martinius, which he tells of the Emperor Hiaou, who had not his equal amongst the Chineses, He was as their Histories say, much transported with a belief, that by this Art he might not onely be the Wealthiest, the Happiest, and the Greatest of all Princes, but also be Crown'd with Immortality: From hence he receiv'd the Title of Van Sin, that is, Ten thousand Years, which hath descended to all the Emperors to this Day.

To this great purpose he built a new Palace accordingly, all of Cedar, Cy∣press, Camphire, and the like sweet smelling Woods; the scent of which, as they say, might be perceiv'd (a) twenty one Chinese Furlongs from thence.*
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>>1470805

Amidst this wonderful Structure, he rais'd a Tower all of Copper, of twen∣ty Rods high, (a marvellous piece of Work) with a winding Pair of Stairs in the middle, from the bottom to the top: There was also a Copper Bason, Cast in the form of a Hand, which every Morning was fill'd with early De•…v, wherein the Emperor steep'd the Oriental Pearls to soften them, being part of the Preparations of the Medicines of Immortality: But at last they wrought up∣on his Belief so far, that the Elexar was ready, which Drinking, would so per∣petuate Youth, that he should live according to his Title, Ten thousand Years, that is, He should be Immortal.

The Longevity-Potion being brought, was set on the Table, which should begin the Work of Youths Renovation; when one of his Councellors, a Minister of State, first disswading him from the taking of it, suddenly threw the Liquor down upon the Floor; at which, the Emperor much incens'd that he should lose his expectation of Immortality, which had cost so much time and treasure in Preparing, consulted with what Death he should punish so bold an Offen∣der; when he that stood thus liable to his fury, spake thus mildly and undis∣compos'd to him.

Sir, You cannot put me to Death, for I have drunk the same Medicine of Immortali∣ty already, and am Immortal; so if I die I am guiltless, because the Medicine wants the promised Efficacy, and therefore use your pleasure; yet I suspect, that if your Indignation fall upon me, what I have drunk will be of no Defence, and I feel I shall certainly suffer Death, being conscious of the Deceit of these that are Trapanners for Bread. Which mol∣lifying Speech so pacify'd the Emperor, that he gave him his Life; yet how∣soever, the Emperor prosecuted the same business, to make himself Rich, Hapyy, and Immortal.
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>>1470812

There are also a third kind of Philosophers, by Semedo call'd Taokiao, and by Trigaut, from the first Promoter, Lonzu; as likewise by Semedo, Tunsi or Tusi, being the first broacher of this Doctrine, which agrees with the Epicureans, who affirm, a That there is no pleasure after death, and therefore they indulge what e're in their life seems to be easie and happy, so to prolong their lives, to continue their present welfare they use all means possible, and not onely study Longevity, but also how to be Immortal by ingenious discoveries for self-preservation.

But though Laotan accounts the Summum Bonum to consist in Pleasures, yet Martinius finds him to be no way Atheistical, but declares it every where pro∣bable, that Laotan hath acknowledg'd one Supream Deity, saying, Tao, or Great Understanding hath no Name; he hath Created Heaven and Earth, he is without shape; moves the Stars, though he himself is immoveable; and because I know not his Name, I will call him Tao, or Supream Understanding, without form.

The same Philosopher makes mention in another place, of The Creation of the Heavens.

It is not to be credited, what the Fathers report out of their Stories con∣cerning this Philosopher Laotan, that he lay conceal'd, being lock'd up in his Mothers Womb eighty one, or according to Trigaut eighty years; and after∣wards forc'd his passage into the World through her right side; wherefore ac∣cording to Trigaut he is call'd Lauzu, and by Martinius, Laosu; and and last of all, Laotan, that is, Old Philosopher: The time of his Maturation, or rather Im∣prisonment in the Womb, was (as they say) nine times nine Years, which the Chineses account the fulness of Perfection, and all things that are perfect: And because Laotan was one of their greatest and most learned Stages, they invented the foremention'd number, as if Nature had spent so many Years in perfecting of him.

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I know this topic has been touched before, but I'm really interested in hearing about it in depth:


What happens if and when automation begins taking our jobs?

Will a system purely based on automation fail because of the lack of consumers in said system (if 3 million transport sector workers become unemployed then they're not consuming unless they have long term benefits)?

Will there be a sort of existential crisis when machines become capable of replicating and outperforming us even on creative tasks?

Will an attempt to move into automation without social welfare programs by governing authorities simply devolve into chaos, and if not what will be some of the nuanced problems in restructuring world economy and the place of humans in a system of production that makes their own production worthless?

Discuss
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imho there is no reason to go away from the welfare state when robots do most of the shitty work like why.

people will go all kinds of crazy if they feel worthless.

so if i am optimistic i hope we all have to work much less and spent more time with hobbies friends and family . maybe take better care of old and sick
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>>1470783
What are you trying to say with this? There's no context. someone could have ran a stop sign, or reversed into it. In any case, looks like minor damage. the car isn't totaled, still impressive for brand new technology.

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You get a chance to travel back in time to any place in the past with the aim of advancing humanity or helping the state/people.

You are immune to disease and lucky enough to live to an old age despite the circumstances.
You can bring as much information you want, just not any technology.
You are lucky enough to easily get the attention of elites and nobles.

What do you do?
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>>1470751
Assassinate John F. Kennedy
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>>1470751
Sign up for the Soviet army in 1944 and get ready for some forcy fun time on a few Germanic beauties.
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>>1470751
Convince Joseph Mary is a cheating whore and to have her and her unborn child stoned

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I am of the opinion that one of the reasons that Christianity is being rejected to the effect that its influence is rapidly dwindling is because it is essentially too 'simple' of a belief-system to actually be of use in the complex modern world: everything is reduced to either good or bad, and there can be no compromise or grey middle ground.

Now this is very unrealistic: even historians accept that events have no single cause (multi-causality), but are shaped by a combination of many factors converging. Similarly, the modern world is filled by increasingly complex norms and technologies and attitudes that do not snugly fit into the category of 'good' or 'bad', which themselves are ill-defined and very subjective terms.

The same is true of Islam, which only dominates in those less developed nations.

I hypothesize that those new religions we'll see rise up in the future will be pantheistic, or - less likely - possibly polytheistic, in an attempt to not fall into the trap of the "good vs. bad" dichotomy and so as to account for a more diverse set of people and attitudes, which would also have the benefit of allowing it proselytize much more easily.
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>>1470737
I actually think that simpler religions often have more appeal, at least to the under educated. As the world gets more complex some people will look for simple answers
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I think that this is a very interesting argument that I've never read before. However, how do you reconcile it with the growth of Atheism, which is arguably the simplest belief system of all.
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>>1470773
Atheism is not a belief system: atheism is merely the lack of belief in a God.

Declaring atheism to be a belief system is like declaring darkness to be 'black light', when it is merely the absence of light.

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alternative history maps of europe
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>>1470628
I just got cancer
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>>1471013
Looks actually pretty good except for Greece controlling West Anatolia and Istanbul
Please, anon, just let this meme die

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Why did the Austrian rulers fought and paid so much each elections to get a crown that meant nothing?

All the ''''''Emperor''''''' did was preside the Diet and that was a glorified diplomatic conference at best.
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All the holy roman emperors were actually of nubian extraction, which explains very well why dose niggas were so cray
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Makes someone think maybe it really was an empire nothing in Europe could stand against
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No idea desu

If holding the position of HRE slows or stops minor german states growing and becoming a rival it would be worth it.

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I was wondering, since I am not an expert on a subject of French religious wars. Does today's situation in Europe has more resemblance with 20th century 30s or with French religion wars.

If there is any resemblance, in what way? Could we compare today's situation with any other period in history? Yeah, I know that terrorism is pretty much modern phenomenon, but I am asking this, because we all know that history tends to repeat itself in one form or another.

>I am writing this from my phone, so I apologize for my spelling mistakes
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>>1470506
>terrorism is pretty much modern phenomenon
What happened during the XVIth century sure looks like terrorism to me.
The Calvinists, who were about 5-6% of the French population during the reign of Charles IX, committed hundreds of crimes (assassinations, massacres, plunderings, fires) against the Catholics and the Crown whether there was a state of war or not.
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>>1471567
So basically same shit what is happening now, am I right? Do you think it will end up the same way or we are to "progressive" for these kind of solution? Because from what I can read from wiki, it didn't end up well for calvinist
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>>1471867

The expulsion of the Huguenots from France was greater than the expulsion of Jews and Muslims from Spain, but is far less well known among most people.

That expulsion reminds me more of the population exchanges after WW1 (with Greeks and Turks), or the expulsion of Germans after WW2, than of the modern problems of Europe with Islamic Terrorists.

IIRC, there were also expulsions when in the Holy Roman Empire some kingdoms decided to be officially catholic or officially protestant. Tolerance back then meant move to same place in which they practice your religion.
The Netherlands were probably the most tolerant country, they always had an important Catholic minority, even during the war against the Spanish Habsburgs.

Why did the US develop such a strong relationship with Israel when it was run as essentially a socialist country up until the 1980s?

Where is the ideological convergence?
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because alot of rich people in america are jews
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Because the eternal anglo decided that Israel should exist and we agreed.
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America didn't become allies with Israel until the '73 war.

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How will history remember him?
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why do you keep posting random ass faces and expect everyone to know who these faggots are?
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>>1470400
One of the biggest meme philosophers right next to Zizek
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As the single greatest human ever born, even greater than Ayn Rand

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Have you noticed the huge irony that the people who go on about the Ancient Greeks being so important wouldn't pay any attention to Socrates or Plato or Aristotle if they were born during their era? They'd be too busy wanking over the Ancient Egyptians.

And so on back in time, until the first group of humans would have some people claiming that Neanderthal mud paintings are the most profound thoughts of all time and only a disgusting pleb could think otherwise.
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>>1470379
Lovely frog poster. Never change.
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>>1470379
If Jesus were born again today in this age the Christians who claim to love him so much would be the first to call for his death for being an unholy blasphemer.
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>>1470398
>"A man is never so unloved as in his home village"

How do I stop feeling guilty about not working non stop? Apart from things all humans do plus going to the gym, I feel guilty about any of my habits. And I have no goals.

I want to read books but I feel guilty about reading a set number of pages a day. I am worried about being called a pleb for not reading ten trillion boring Western canon novels. I feel like an ADD pleb for rarely reading more than 60 pages at a time. I hate that I'm more likely to put a book down at the end of a chapter.

Similarly for working. I know I could always be working to become better off. I know that people who talk about taking breaks are just lying to themselves. I feel bad for not having the willpower necessary to wotk non stop on one thing for 10 hours.

And the funny thing is that I'm a Stirnerite. When you stay unspooked then everyone else's belief system feels like a personal attack. Fuck these people who say that X is so important. X is always working hard / enjoying yourself / focusing on one thing / focusing on many things / reading history / classics / philosophy / other shit.

The awful thing is that I know everyone else is a fraud. That NFL player who everyone loves and says is hardworking has never read a book. That mathematics professor known as a genius is a disgusting dyel. That literary figures who goes on about Shakespeare being a god doesn't know any maths or science greater than an 18 year old yet claims to be worldly. That billionaire who goes on about humanity's big issues does nothing but write checks for people who make social media apps.
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Frogblogging is gay. I didn't even read most of what you wrote actually.
The truth is you don't have to be happy, you can just as well be miserable, no one else cares.
It doesn't matter how much you think about it, you can either change your habits in some way or not.

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Is it possible to stop feeling emotions altogether by reaching a certain level of enlightenment? Can you convince your body that you do not want to feel certain emotions anymore?
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>>1470331
Maybe when you're dead.
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>>1470340
I think it's possible in life too, but very difficult to achieve
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>>1470331
you stop feeling emotions when you understand them fully

which side does /his/ agree with?
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>>1470327

both

war never changes=the basic concept of wars and why they are fought and their outcomes is pretty much the same throughout history

war has changed=the way these wars are fought and by who and with what weapons has changed. compare the Napoleonic wars to WW1 to WW2 and then to the Cold War
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Superficially the tools of war changes, bigger guns, faster guns, more guns, etc.

On the core, its always about politics/religion/corruption/failed diplomacy/etc. Which in turn are all boiled down to human psychology.
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>>1470348
FPBP

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