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>France used to be the oldest daughter of the Church
>Now it's one of the most anti-Catholic countries around
How did this even happen? I know that during the Revolution of 1789 a lot of shit went down with the Church because they implicitly supported the Ancien Regime, but Napoleon did his best to mend things (Concordat of 1801). Afterwards we had the disastrous Bourbon restoration, then the Second Empire led by the very pro-Catholic Napoleon III and then the Third Republic. Why did the Third Republic once again devolve into anti-religious sentiment that went way further than 'regular' secularism as it existed in other countries, especially when there was no strict 'need' for it like in the First Republic?
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>>1572045
>France used to be the oldest daughter of the Church
>Not Rome
>Or Italy.
The French nationalism in this board is fucking pathetic.
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>>1572053
Francia ring a bell to you, or is this bait?
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>>1572053
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Catholicism_in_France
>The Catholic Church of France, sometimes called the "eldest daughter of the Church" owing to its early and unbroken communion (2nd century) with the bishop of Rome, is part of the worldwide Catholic Church.
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Since there's so many of these threads about hyperwars which don't really belong here and should be deleted, I thought there should be at least one where there's actual information because a "high level of discourse is expected". I won't discuss genetics and such but if you have questions about that I can probably answer.
Finnic people refers to the Balto-Finnic(Finnish, Estonian, Karelian, Vepsian) and sometimes also the Volga-Finnic(Mari/Mordvin) and the Permian(Udmurt, Komi) and Saami.
Ugric languages are Khanty, Mansi and Hungarian. These combined form the Finno-Ugric family which together with the Samoyedic languages of Siberia(mainly) form the Uralic family.
Despite extremely large internal differences, the Uralic family is considered by mainstream linguists to be younger than the Indo-European family and there is a debate among linguists about the point of origin. Some suggest Western Siberia while others think it's European Russia.
Whichever it is, Finno-Ugric languages are more influenced by Indo-European languages(Finnic more than Ugric) than the Samoyedic are and this dates back to the very beginning of the branch.
Finnic languages in particular seem to have had a lot of contact with Fatyanovo-Balanovo culture west of the Volga which was an eastern extension of the Corded Ware culture that is thought to have emerged in Poland after an initial migration from the steppe by the Yamna people who are thought to be Proto-Indo-Europeans.
Volga-Finnic languages actually occupied the former area of it along with the Baltic Galindians prior to Slavic movements.
For more information see https://www.academia.edu/20252178/The_Language_Contact_Situation_in_Prehistoric_Northeastern_Europe
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So now that we've established who exactly Finnic people are and come from, the question is how and when did they get to the Baltic region?
The date for Balto-Finnic arrival seems to be about 1000-800 BC with Saami having arrived prior to that.
There are these axes called the Akozino-Mälaren type which were found in the Volga and lake Mälaren in Sweden which were made with copper from Ural.
Their dating corresponds with the divergence of Balto-Finnic languages from the closest Volga-Finnic language Mordvin(which is actually 2 languages but nevermind that) and the Tarand Grave culture of Estonia and to a lesser extent Finland and Sweden, which seems to have been a combination of Volga and Scandinavian influences.
I can't really explain it better than that, read "Formation of Proto-Finnic – an archaeological scenario from the BronzeAge / Early Iron Age" from page 63 on here http://www.oulu.fi/sites/default/files/content/CIFU12-PlenaryPapers.pdf
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>>1571942
Ive heard that the finnish dish mämmi is similiar to a ancient persian dish. Is this true?
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>>1571962
Yes it's similar.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samanu
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I am not a memer, but the thought of everything being a spook helps me keep my emotions under control
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i dont know how to break it to you but not everything is a spook.
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>>1571958
Doesn't matter if the thought helps me
It doesn't matter if god exists, if the belief in helps a believer it can only be a good thing
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>>1571967
Yeah, no. It's /always/ better to accept the truth than to live in denial.
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There is no definite proof that god does not exist. If god is truly omnipotent, he really could be hiding outside the boundaries of the universe. And even if god is not completely omnipotent, god could still exist within the universe.
But all faiths and religions are wrong. Why? Because if god existed and wanted to reveal himself to humanity, he would not need to do so via humanity. If god is capable of miracles, god is capable of saying 'yo whats up, humanity' in a way that is completely unambiguously divine.
>but nature IS god revealing himself
No. No it isn't. If nature was god revealing himself, we wouldn't be able to build stochastic models of the universe that function without god.
>but the physical constants are finely tuned for life and that means god made them
No they are not. This is the only universe that exists (as far as we know) and the physical constants are what they are simply because they are, not because someone or something tweaked them. There are no alternate universes to compare ours to. Furthermore, any universe with any physical constants with any values that gave rise to intelligent life would be "finely tuned for life" according to the intelligent beings that lived in it. "Finely tuned" is a meaningless phrase.
I seriously hope none of you faggots actually believe in god.
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>>1571803
>But all faiths and religions are wrong. Why? Because if god existed and wanted to reveal himself to humanity, he would not need to do so via humanity. If god is capable of miracles, god is capable of saying 'yo whats up, humanity' in a way that is completely unambiguously divine.
God doesn't want us to be slaves, he wants us to put our faith in Him on our own free will.
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>>1571817
I bet you also believe that if you fail to place your faith in Him you get punished forever for committing thought-crime. You sure have a lot of freedom with that gun to your head.
And I'll avoid the argument about "free will" even being a thing, given that if god is omniscient he already knows how your whole life is going to turn out even before you're born. That one's been done to death.
Don't forget to give 10% of your income to the church, non-slave.
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>>1571844
>Jesus said give everything you can spare, was rabidly anti wealth, pro community, basically a proto communist telling people how to feed and clothe everyone and also make sure you're all armed so bad people can't hurt you
>protestants shit on Catholics for doing non Biblical things
>still give the Catholic mandated non Biblical 10% tithe
This was one of the major reasons I stopped being a Christian. Jesus was absolutely clear on money and how it should be handled. No Christians I know, either in person or of, actually follow this part of his teachings. Arguably one of his most important teachings, since he said basically all rich people are gonna go to hell since fitting a rope through a needle is kind of next to impossible. A camel even less so.
What are reasons people give in defense of pic related
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If it wasn't for him you wouldn't be drinking coffee right now
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He thought like literally everybody else at the time though.
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>>1571793
No he didn't. He actually was imprisoned for being violently cruel.
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Tell me about nudity, /his/.
When and where did it become socially unacceptable?
When and where did it become a crime?
Why are painted nudes and nude statues cool but actual nudity isn't?
Are there any cultures where actual nudity is cool today?
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bump for interest.
I hope nudity is actually an intimate thing and is sexual for a good reason. Don't take the titties away from me.
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>>1571703
Blame christianity
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>>1572724
I do.
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Which best describes the modern condition?
Anomie, disenchantment, or alienation?
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There is no "modern condition"
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>>1571621
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Until relatively recently in the development of humans as a species saving was pretty much impossible. You couldn't take excess productivity and store it for later, or accumulate capital and use it to gain further, and so on.
From this there are a few possible implications.
1. We only recently got the ability to become "rich" as an individual, that is to have much, much more than others.
2. We only recently got the ability to hoard rather than share, since it made no sense for the typical uncivilized man to kill a boar, eat a meal and leave it to rot, might as well share, you aren't losing anything since you can't store it. Even if you could, its not worth carrying around, and sitting in one place is detrimental, especially alone.
Would you say that from that follows we haven't evolved yet, biologically, to be rationally selfish, and thats why we have this innate biologically set hatred of the rich and assume bad of them, and feel guilty for not sharing?
Also general thread for trying to attribute the development and evolution of culture and social contract to the development of human biology over the millennia.
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>>1571389
>since you can't store it.
Salting, drying, smoking. How the fuck do you think people survived winters in the North? Nevermind non edible goods like weapons, jewelry, furs and other decorative items.
>We only recently got the ability to become "rich" as an individual, that is to have much, much more than others.
Except that even in apes and wolves, the alphas have more than the rest, especially the omegas. Add intelligence to this and you bet the leaders would have had the best clothing, homes, tools and such.
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>>1571420
>the difference in resource availability between Warren Buffett and myself is comparable to the difference between the old hunter and his junior student
>storing a few dried steaks to put in my bag is the same as storing trillions of dollars for decades
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>>1571389
anyone who thinks the rich hoard money doesn't understand how banking works
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It seems to me there are 3 main points of view:
- individual
- collectivist
- divine
From these three points you can derive philosophies and moral codes that would be completely incompatible with each other.
There's also no way of telling which point is the "correct" one. Did anyone tackled this problem?
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>>1571262
Does divine include causes and purposes seen as greater than man, or is it just for deities and similiar?
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>>1571273
>purposes seen as greater than man, or is it just for deities
Is there a difference between these? I think you can treat them as one.
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>>1571278
The point of view. Quite irrelevant in the bigger picture.
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Why was there so much infighting? Why couldn't it be one state? Were they culturally really that different? Or was it because of other political reasons?
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>>1571255
Yugoslavs are a warlike people
Much like the natives of Southern Chile they band together against common threats, but as they are bred for war and conquest is no longer possible it fell apart with the Yugoslavs fighting each other over small differences
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>>1571283
How did they live under the Ottomans and Austrians for centuries then
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islam is shit
croats think B&H is theirs
serbians think croats are catholic serbs
slovenes are allright
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You have 10 seconds to explain why this guy doesn't have a pic of him with the dentist hair shopped. His life was the definition of JFMSU, literally a guy trying to do his best but getting shit on by life on every occasion.
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>>1571210
He reigned quite well given the circumstances and died honorably rather than cower away
He was offered to be able to keep being the Despot of Morea if he gave the t*rks Constantinople, which he honorably declined to do and show the world Rome would not fall peacefully.
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>>1571229
>died fleeing like bitch wearing woman clothes
>honorable
lmao byzziecucks
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>>1571240
>implying he didn't simply cast away the imperial insignia and die in the heat of battle with his men in a last stand
Fuck off revisionist roach
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>the way you want to be is wrong
>you will behave the way society tells you as any other way is wrong and degenerate
>by listening to us you will be rewarded with 'love' and 'material objects'
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>you havent existed before, so you cant refute this
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what did he mean by this?
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>>1571168
Fitting in with 'the group' is evolutionary beneficial and a feeling of belonging and love are essential for psychological health. There is absolutely nothing wrong with adapting to the standard to receive love and appreciation.
Go to >>>/tublr/ if you want to be your furry otherkin scatloving transautistic self familia. Other than that great thread 10/10
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Is there a more cucked group of people than those who die for their country? So spooked it hurts. How the fuck can WW1 soldiers not have felt mad as fuck at being sent to die for rich people in a pointless war? And to fight GERMANS, only for the "elites" to surrender the EU to africans and middle easterners 100 years later!
If there was no revolution after WW1, then its just never going to happen is it?
Ironically, because its a view shared with stereotypical rednecks that are insulted for being dumb, I expect you guys to disagree partly due to holding on to patriotism as a pseudo intellectual affectation.
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>>1571007
There is literally nothing wrong with patriotism, to the point where the only people who argue against it are leftists who dislike the concept of a nation in the first place.
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>>1571007
the most spooked are those who claim that they achieve something else than dwelling in their fantasies once they dwell in their formal systems and when once told this, they claim ''sure, but what else we gonna do?''
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Is there a more smug philosopher than Russell?
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Was Prussia more or less supportive of Nazism? Was the Prussian prsence in the Nazi Germany echelons just because of population and militarism traditions, or because of actual widespread public support for Nazism more so than other parts of Germany?
Why is Austria protrayed as a victim of the Nazis, when they welcomed Hitler's annexation? Austrian troops were brutal in the Balkans and very willing to allow and participate in genocide. Austrian politics are to this day riddled with Nazi influenced members.
Why was Prussia systematically destroyed and blamed as the main responsible party for the Nazis, while Austria was left untouched after the war?
My assumption is because the allies didn't really care about the holocaust and the brutality against Slavs and other occupied peoples. What they cared about was Prussian militarist tradition and the belief it was responsible for two world wars. That's why deconstructing Prussia was important, but Austria avoided significant punishment
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>>1570985
Prussia didn't exist when nazis came to exist.
You don't seem to know the basics of the 21st century start there and then start to ask questions
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>>1572404
Prussia was the largest state of Weimar Germany, and it's not like the culture just up and disappeared in 1932.
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>>1570985
It depends as Prussians didn't think in unison. The Prussian aristocrats either begrudgingly accepted Hitler or outright opposed him, it was the plebs who loved the Nazis.
Statistically, the average Nazi voter was:
>poor
>protestant
>rural
>female
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Is Wilhelm II our guy?
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>>1570979
>autistic
>a failure
>just wanted to be accepted
Yes.
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>>1570979
>leader of the technologically, socially and economically most advanced nation in Europe
No, because this is a board for losers.
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>>1571548
Because he was pushed out of the right vagina, not because he had any talent.