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History art/museum pieces fucked you up when you saw them in person?

I've been to the Vatican etc. But I went to see Jan Matejko's painting Battle of Grunwald in Warsaw the other day, it was the best.
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Can we just make this into a general art thread? To tell the truth, I'm stranded in the Texas Panhandle and never had the opportunity to see any great works of art firsthand.
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>>1610682
To be fair, those famous works of art often prove themselves to be quite disappointing when seen live. Small, barely visible, hidden behind layers of protective glass.

t. European
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>>1610702
I agree, Grunwald took up a whole wall though, it was cool as fuck

Assyria appreciation thread
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>>1610422
The most brutal of empires.

>I have made a pillar facing the city gate, and have flayed all the rebel leaders; I have clad the pillar in the flayed skins. I let the leaders of the conquered cities be flayed, and clad the city walls with their skins. The captives I have killed by the sword and flung on the dung heap, the little boys and girls were burnt.

>In strife and conflict I besieged [and] conquered the city. I felled 3,000 of their fighting
men with the sword ... I captured many troops alive: I cut off of some their arms [and]
hands; I cut off of others their noses, ears, [and] extremities. I gouged out the eyes of
many troops. I made one pile of the living [and] one of heads. I hung their heads on trees
around the city.
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>>1610438

Reads like the pink letter in asoiaf lol
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>>1610438
Sounds like your average Muslim. Perhaps it's really not about Islam, but the character of the "people".

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Warriors sometimes make the mistake of thinking that there are no tactics with a mace. They assume that the sword is all about skill and the mace is only about strength and stamina. As a veteran instructor of mace tactics, I can tell you they are wrong.

Wielding a mace properly is all about timing and momentum. Once the swing of the mace has begun, stopping it or slowing it down is difficult. The fighter is committed to not just the blow, but also the recoil. Begin your strike when the opponent is leaning forward, hopefully off balance. It is completely predictable that he will lean backward, so aim for a point behind his head. By the time the mace gets there, his head will be in its path.

The mace should be held at the ready, shoulder high. The windup should not extend past the shoulders by more than a hand's width. When swinging, lead with the elbow. As the elbow passes the height of your collarbone, extend the forearm like a whip. The extra momentum will drive the mace faster and harder, causing far more damage.

At the moment of impact, let the wrist loosen. The mace will bounce and hurt a stiff wrist. Allow the recoil of the blow to drive the mace back into the ready position, thereby preparing the warrior for a quicker second strike.
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>>1610394
okay
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>>1610394
yeah but guns exist you might as well be teaching people to weave baskets
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Is this from one of those old italian fighting manuals?

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Last_man

>Last man claims that all cultures are by default egalitarian and that human nature is merely dynamic and pleasure-seeking

>The Last man are lonely. They are tired. The last man were the most repressed ethnicity on Earth, of all ethnicities, in all history, society and times. Once faced with extinction and made to feel small. They embarked to create their society of everlasting happiness; because of their very feeling of resentfulness and instinct.

>His strength comes from defamation, division, creation of illusion and other-worldly idea, and his continued blood-sucking. It is thus, here, his blood-sucking instinctive that is the Last man's power structure and influence.

>Only the greatest of great individuals are few in number in his society, as are they the heralded Übermensch; and only they are able to uproot and eradicate the race that is the Last man. The great individual must sacrifice all desires in order to uproot him and become the antithetical Übermensch.
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He was a Nazi
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He wasn't talking about any particular ethnic or religious group. All of that could easily have been applied to the Germans at the time, too.
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>>1610692
His sister was

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How come the ancient Greeks were the pinnacle of human civilization but the Greeks of today are the lowest, least successful of all Europeans? What went wrong?
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Romans then muslims. Well organized violent masses trump cultural sophistication.
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>>1610334
The Greeks of today still seem very nice and cool to me.
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>>1610334
lmao, they weren't the pinnacle even in the levant.

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Which one do you prefere and why?
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>>1610329
>hey kid wanna /ss/?
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>>1610379
>/ss/
>straight shota
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The one most likely to ban anime

This thread is devoted to statues and monuments of historical figures and events. Bonus points for pictures you've taken yourself.
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That statue actually looks like ass. It's so stiff but not in a 'powerful, immovable' kind of way.

Anyway here's a neat little statue on some private property in the rural northwest.
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>>1610318

That would give me the creeps seeing something like that in rural USA.

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So were the middle ages actually dark ages, during which the church held back scientific progress and oppressed weak minded people? How can you defend the position that that is not true when we know about the witch hunt, the indulgences, the spanish inquisition? Is there really anything beyond "irish monk saved ancient knowledge"?
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>>1610246
That's not what "the dark ages" means.
It just refers to a period of time where it was difficult to find written history. There was a Greek dark ages too some 2000 years before the medieval dark ages.
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>>1610251
Wikipedia and mainstream use of the term disagree
Regardless, you know thats not the point of the thread
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Witches and heretics did nothing to preserve knowledge or improve progress of science.

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>Elaborate human sacrifice associated with Huitzilopochtli, the Aztec sun god, horrified Europeans, who apparently did not find the savagery of their own civilization so objectionable.

WOW
O
W
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well yeah, not a lot of people were hella self aware back then.
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>>1610218
It was for the greater good of humanity. They did nothing wrong.
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>>1610231
but why even put that last clause in a textbook? i could easily hear that statement escaping from a mouthy teenager; i wouldn't expect academia to sanction statements like this.

from what i've read so far, the entire first chapter is just condemning European cruelty while praising the literal beads-on-strings made by captured murderers.

compared to someone like Peter Watson, this is a joke of a book.

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North Africa, April 1941. The British are retreating into Egypt in wake of the german advance. The British are forced to abandon several of their strategic positions and focus on defending and holding the line further east. The Oasis Field airfield is an important strategic position since it is also close to a large body of water - vital for survival in the desert. The battered british remnants are resting on their final day before pulling out, awaiting the delivery of important supplies. They do not know that the germans are a mere few kilometers away, having advanced slowly in the cold night with the purpose of catching the british off guard.

It is early morning and visibility is relatively poor due to light winds tossing up sand in the air. The weather is due to clear up later in the day. There is a ridge south of the british airfield, providing some high ground for onlookers.

Oasis field itself is protected by 6 pillboxes, currently unmanned. D Company is on watch while the other companies are in the barracks, northeast of the airfield.

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THIS IS A GAME THAT WILL BEGIN SHORTLY
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The British forces


>Royal Scots Greys, Mounted Dragoons, Company A

90 outdated cavalrymen serving as reconnaisance troops. They have been removed from the front line, awaiting redeployment and retraining to become tank corps troops. Armed with rifles, submachine guns and are adept at scouting.


>Royal Scots Greys, Armoured Company B

16 light M3 Stuart and 6 MK1 Cruiser tanks manned by 88 tank crew. The Stuarts are fresh and well maintained. The tanks armament consist of the light 37mm M6 gun and 3 7.62mm machine guns. The Cruisers armament are a 40mm gun and 3 7.7mm machine guns. A platoon of 21 engineers, armed with light weaponry, accompany the Royal Scots Greys.


>60th Royal Field Artillery, Company C

A company of field artillery, numbering 73 men. They field 19 artillery piecies, among them 10 fairly mobile, but relatively weak, QF 2-Pounders and 4 bigger BL 4,5 inch field artillery pieces with a much greater punch. The latter are not designed for close combat.


>Scots Guard, Infantry Brigade, Heavy Infantry Company D

235 men armed with rifles, 8 heavy machine guns and 4 Boys anti-tank weaponry. Veterans of desert warfare and skilled in the use of enemy armaments. These men are resting at the repair station and are currently supported by 5 trucks with two drivers each.


>Scots Guard, Infantry Brigade, Light Infantry Company E

Likewise, these 240 riflemen are resting and defending the repair stop. They are armed with rifles, grenades and recon materiell. They are also supported by 5 trucks with two drivers each.

In summary, the british have a total of 744 men, 19 artillery pieces, and 22 tanks.
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The axis forces

>22nd Panzer Regiment, Kompanie F

21 tanks and 201 infantrymen make up this company of Panzers. The tanks are 8 Panzer III's Medium tanks with the relatively light 37mm cannon, 9 Panzer IV's with the heavier 75mm cannon and 4 StuG III Tank destroyers with 75mm cannons. All tanks have 7.92mm caliber machine guns. The company commander is Hauptmann Wilfred Kupel. This Company also hosts a squad of 20 from Division HQ, led by Major Gerhard Neumayer.


>22nd Panzer Regiment, Kompanie G

Another company from the 22nd Panzer Regiment, this one driving 17 tanks and 200 infantrymen. The tanks consist of 11 Panzer III's Medium tanks and 6 Panzer IV's.


>22nd Panzer Regiment, Recon Kompanie H

A reconaissance company of 120 wehrmacht soldiers and 20 tank crews, manning 4 Panzer II light tanks with 20mm guns and 7,92mm machine guns. The infantry are transported in 10 Sd.Kfz. 251. The soldiers are armed as light infantry and equipped with radio equipment.


>21th Panzer Recon Regiment, Light Infantry, Kompanie I

A Rifle company consisting of three platoons of riflemen, two of them with a section of light 4 mortars and one with a section of four MG34 7.92 machineguns. 200 men in total.


>125th Panzergrenadier Regiment, Heavy Infantry , Kompanie J

A company of 220 infantrymen, armed with rifles, grenades, 10 MG-38 machine guns and anti-tank weaponry. Transported onto the scene in Mercedes Benz trucks.

In summary, the axis have 1133 men and 42 tanks.
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The game is simple,

Anonymous users simply post what course of action they want a specific company to take. I as the OP will manage as many requests as possible and incorporate them into the next update of the game - which will happen at roughly 15 minute intervals. I will write a brief summary of the results.

After each update, one roll may be made by each party. One succesfull roll of dubs will yield a reinforcement from a third or fourth party (Italians or Australians) (for a maximum of ONE company per side). One succesful role of TRIPS result in an aerial attack by either the RAF or the Luftwaffe (unlimited number).

So... What does the British and Germans do?

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Was slavery really necessary for every civilization on earth in order to develop an advanced society?
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>>1610153
No
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>>1610153

Yes.
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>>1610153

Reply hazy. Please try again.

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Does anything have value? Was Marx right when he said that value is only created through labour?
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if someone wants it and would do something to get it or keep it then it has value seems ez 2 me

could be food, could be diamonds could be your time and effort in life could be anything
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>>1610140

> Was Marx right when he said that value is only created through labour?

No. Labor is a necessary but insufficient part of the creation of value, and an object's value often has little to do with the labor invested.

To illustrate, think of real estate: A construction team could build two exactly identical houses, with exactly the same technqiues, using the exact same quality and amount of labor and materials, but the two houses will probably have very different values if one is in the middle of a crowded city, and the other is out in a rural zone.
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>>1610171
Price and appreciation are entirely separate from value. Both houses would still have identical use-value because they would satisfy physical needs (shelter) in exactly the same way way.

I find the whole Stuckist/Remodernist thing pretty interesting, if only for bad practice. The two were conceived by the same people at the same time. To me it seems that Stuckism was a fairly sensible idea in theory by Childish, Thompson et al to keep Remodernism legitimate by compartmentalising all of their butthurt reactionism over the Young British Artists and their patrons to a specific submovement. They shat the bed IMO however by taking a swipe at the establishment in their Remodernist manifesto, polluting the ideals of Remodernism with the specific and petty reaction of Stuckism. However, without the hypocrisy and antics of Stuckism, would Remodernism have got the little traction it did? The former is definitely the better known.
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look p hideous 2 b q8 honest wit you my flam
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anyway, i thought by kicking off with a talking point the same ground mightn't be covered for a handful of posts at least

feel free to post your favourites

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Man goes to the doctor, says "Doctor, I need help. I'm depressed because of my reductionist, mechanistic view of nature and its inherent meaninglessness". Doctor thinks for a minute. Finally he says "Well, what's the matter?". Funny joke everyone laughs.
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I didn't laugh though
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but doctor, I am pagliacci
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What does /his/ think about the stoics? I've just gotten into negative visualization and getting into the mode of thinking where I only focus on things that are in my control and it all just feels so right. It's kind of amazing to me how these truths still ring so true thousands of years later, but it's also kind of awe-inspiring to hear these things directly from someone like Marcus Aurelius (I'm guessing that's one of the reasons this board has such a boner for him?)

What's your recommended reading? Specific letters from Seneca? Specific passages from Marcus or Epictetus?
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bumperino
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Meditations of Marcus Aurelius is pretty good
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>>1610061
I wonder if, given he lived after alexander's foray into India, if Epictetus was indirectly influenced by Hindu/Buddhist philosophy

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