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>listen to In Our Time
>they talk about Julius Caesar
>they glorify him for killing people and taking over shit
>they mention almost off hand that 100,000 people died in one day (they implied that this was not a sure figure but obviously it was a lot)

How the FUCK can anyone take morality seriously when Napoleon, Julius Caesar, Alexander the great, and Genghis Khan (and eventually Hitler and Stalin and Mao) are WORSHIPPED by the posh historians? Literally lol at someone who died in one of these pointless wars. Literally fucking lol. Please post your thoughts about this. This is like the twilight zone. The BBC will throw mud at you for saying you dislike Islam for not giving women equal rights but they worship killers in plain sight.

Even the slightest amount of history education has made me take current events a lot less seriously - but reading about history also makes me take history itself a lot less seriously. Look at Zizek and many dumber social commentators (or "critiquers") now, talking about things. Admittedly technological acceleration justifies their claims that we are living in important times but imagine what people talked about in 1916: "The world has changed forever!"; "The nature of the nation state has fundamentally changed!"; "Human nature has reached its conclusion!" I have intentionally written vague and bullshitty hifalutin statements. And what do we think of 1916 now? "The middle of a pointless war that led to a slightly less pointless war with some strange economic happenings in between" (>inb4 you scream that something more profound happened).
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>>1628960
What about the extremely rapid pace of technological development. That at least is unique to our age
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if you're a great man the rules change.

If you're a regular asshole way down on the totem pole, you best play by the rules for your own good.
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>>1628960
>How the FUCK can anyone take morality seriously when Napoleon, Julius Caesar, Alexander the great, and Genghis Khan (and eventually Hitler and Stalin and Mao) are WORSHIPPED by the posh historians? Literally lol at someone who died in one of these pointless wars. Literally fucking lol. Please post your thoughts about this. This is like the twilight zone. The BBC will throw mud at you for saying you dislike Islam for not giving women equal rights but they worship killers in plain sight.
Who the fuck does that? Your tv-historians? Who the fuck are you even quoting?
>Zizek
Not a historian, like not at all.

So you have been watching youtube videos while crossreading wiki articles, haven't you? This is not the scientific discourse bro.

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Who was the most successful populist?

Challenge mode: No Romans
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>>1628868
Maybe William Jennings Bryan? He was appointed Secretary of State, of course that's only with regards to American history. Although Jackson is called the first populist he's not what we tend to think of when people say "populists" today, whereas William Jennings Bryan is more inline with the modern conception of a populist
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>>1628868
Napoleon or hitler? Both elect on universal vote.
Nappy got an advance on the top for being an elected empereur.
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>No Romans
Kys

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>pick up some random meme philosophy because you'd rather try anything at all then live with the world the way it is
>eventually die trying to change things in any which direction
Is he, dare I say, our guy?
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he was massively spooked
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>>1628804
Fuck off
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>>1628804
>spooks

I didn't know this was reddit

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In 1939 more than 10,000 Polish cavalrymen charged against German tanks, but armed with only their sabers and lances the Poles were cut down to very last man and horse.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jd9hLbvGrWI
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>>1628738
There's not enough Polfags here to catch this bait.
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Poor quality bait
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Mokra

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What does /his/ think of Teotl philosophy?

>Teotl is creation. In the beginning there was no 'nothingness' or 'chaos' that needed to be ordered.
>Teotl is not outside of creation. Teotl always was, and just is - it is the only thing that reality is made of.
>Creation came from Teotl, so everything is made up of Teotl.
>Everything is just an aspect of Teotl, because Teotl is to be understood as a process, a state of change, a state of becoming.
>Everything is a big cycle of construction, deconstruction, becoming something else.
>Everything exists in only a temporary state, which is subject to decay and become part of something else.
>The 'gods' are defined as being a kaleidoscope of creation: water, the sun, the wind, etc. It is all defined by what it does and how it does it. Its particular process, its effect and co-relation between the happenings of all other things. Therefore, they are not different from creation or outside of creation... they are creation and we are all simply aspects of creation, or Teotl.
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>>1628676
>And Teotl, it is amoral. There is no realization of good and evil because it just doesn't exist. Destruction and creation are just processes that happen and humans like the rest of creation are affected by it. There is no morality in the changing of the seasons, in the same way as there is no morality in Teotl. Whether the outcome is fortunate or unfortunate is just pot luck. It's nothing personal. There are no grand intentions of goals, they have no freewill, emotions, omniscient intellect, they are not all powerful. They are part of the same process, a process that happens regardless. They are energy in motion.
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Very similar to the Hawaii'an concept of Mana. It interests me that the gods are really just spiritual power and with enough of that power, anyone can be a god- you just need enough sacrifices. And of course, everyone's pretty much a ticking time bomb of Teotl, creating a society very concerned with restraining that power and releasing it in acceptable ways.
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>>1628690
>The deities are just anthropomorphized representations of these aspects of Teotl. And what's more, there is absolutely nothing supernatural. It's all natural. Certain things may be hidden from human perception under ordinary conditions, but there is still nothing supernatural about it. It's all made up of the same stuff.
>Everything is sacred. Nothing is profane.
>Teotl is not limited to being in only a single era, or in a single person, or single tree.
>When we talk about the different layers of the cosmos, this is not a hierarchy, but they are folds, like the folds of a blanket, but it still consists of the same stuff and none is truly 'higher' or 'lower' than any other in the plane of existence.

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I do really believe that religion does play an important role in a man's psyche, something to believe in, the thought that there's justice in the world and that it's worth fighting for, the thought that there's a place of redemption waiting for us. cosmic order puts a man's mind at ease even when he is hounded by the horrid events present in our world

athiests ignore this psychological need for some cosmic structure as they see it as a obstacle for humanity's rational ascension to something greater yet they themselves are also suffering from its lack and fall into a more deplorable state from before, they are often restless, often angry, often paranoid, and often unhappy, and they try to replace their past purpose, the now lacking cosmic structure that religion gave them, with other things. They devote themselves to causes that they think will establish a new order worth fighting for or indulge themselves completely to their hobbies as way to replace how religion made them feel secure amidst the chaos of the world. Maybe religion, like most things that has survived throughout human history, fulfills an integral need in humans.

there's a reason why marx derogatorily called religion as the opium of the masses, but marx was wrong to point it as a negative. It's integral to humanity, to believe on something is big bulwark that safeguards a man's sanity. I just hope that we adopt a religion that is civilized and noble at the same time.

do you think this is the case /his/?
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>>1628603
bump.
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Cool blog
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>>>/s4s/
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>>1628603
>something to believe in, the thought that there's justice in the world and that it's worth fighting for, the thought that there's a place of redemption waiting for us
Which at the same time is delusion and taken too far will lead to the Islamic kind of determinism, where jihadists will not even aim properly because Insha'Allah the bullets will strike the enemy down.
>cosmic order puts a man's mind at ease even when he is hounded by the horrid events present in our world
Which by far is not a positive. To ignore the sad state of things, cling onto some false hope instead of actively trying to fix what is wrong.
>athiests
Atheists this, atheists that. Stop making stupid, all inclusive claims like this. Atheism is nothing but the lack of a belief in deities.

>how religion made them feel secure amidst the chaos of the world
I've never been religious. I've been an atheist as soon as I was capable of comprehending such things. Religion has never made me feel secure, but instead seeing religious people completely irrationally acting upon something there is absolutely no evidence of makes me lose faith in humanity.

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Any actually good historical novels about Rome?
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>>1628533
New Testament
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>>1628533
Two Babylons by Alexander Hislop
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Spartacus
Kingdom of the wicked
I, Claudius

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Did they have the right to kill him /his/?
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>Haha hey guys maybe we should treat catholics like human beings
>REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
Charles did nothing wrong
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>>1628655
Catholcis are heretics. Fuck em
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>>1628446
>set up a theocracy
>beheads enslaves and massacres 'infidels'
Cromwell was the Protestant Al-Baghdadi.

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ITT: Historical figures who were literally Hitler.

>pic related
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>Judaism
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>judautism
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eruv

The Halakha is autistic as fuck
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So, results are in, in this thread you can discuss them.
Results in image form:
https://my.mixtape.moe/jtxsbe.png
Results in a spreadsheet form for you to analyze and blame shit on individuals.
https://my.mixtape.moe/fdcndp.xlsx
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>>1627626
>https://my.mixtape.moe/jtxsbe.png

NIce. Will you be doing this again in later months? Will there be any elaborations to the survey if so?
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>>1627660
I mean people are free to do whatever they want right now with it, I'll maybe do another one in few months.
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>>1627626
>MY WORLDVIEW IS A PANENTHEISTIC GNOSTIC ONE.

I wonder who could that be...

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>Economics
>The science of dealing with scarcity
>Doesn't take into account the environment, where all resources eventually come from
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>people actually take economists seriously
>mfw
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>>1627488
Current _monetary_ economics don't really take worldly limitations into consideration. We might see economics evolve in the future out of necessity.
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>doesn't know shit about economics
>makes statements out of his ass

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PBUGQkpk3RE

Is Lindybeige correct about berserkers? Were they something completely different than what we think?
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>>1627479
Better question is why doesn't he own a fucking comb?

>2 busy doing history to look even remotely presentable ;^)
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>>1627479
I was with him until he said that Berserkers actually didn't do any fighting at all and we're basically a glorified spandau
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Why do people keep spamming Lindy's videos on here

Asume that the opponents are armoured.
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>>1627452
What was the use of bows?

Assume that you don't have arrows.
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>>1627511
People did carry something like a zweihander into battlefields, right?
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>>1627518
yes, they were mostly used for breaking up pike formations. They were large more for cutting through massed pikes than for cutting through armored enemies in a duel. There are some reports of zweihanders being used as anticalvalry weapons, as well, but I don't know as much about that

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So I've been watching a bit of John Greene's Crash Course lately, just meandering through his vids and seeing which one's I agree/disagree with. The board seems more than well ware that he can be just as biased as any other "historian", but one of his vids on the Colombian exchange was actually kind of interesting. Sure, he had the occasional slip of the tongue where he made an implication or undersold on a certain aspect, but overall I thought it was interesting.

But one thing that bothered me during the wrap up towards the end, while he goes down checklist of all the massive changes the exchange caused, was that he never pointed out the elephant in the room; the Colombian exchange was inevitable. Wasn't it?

I mean the vikings got to the new world and settled L'Anse aux Meadows. I think things would have ended up almost as bad for the Natives had the settlement survived, and Europeans used it, rather than the Caribbean as the doorway into the continent.

So my question is, was the exchange really that bad? Was the suffering and unexpected mistakes, on both sides of the Atlantic, possible to be avoided? Was there any hope, as more left leaning thinkers seem to believe, that the Western world could have somehow peacefully opened up relations? Or was the spread of disease that wiped out the natives doomed to cause genocide?
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>>1627010
First please do not compare John Green to historians in any way shape or form. His bad annoying jokes, coupled with extremely biased statements under the guise of being "educational for teens" makes me look for the nearest chemotherapy center every time I watch one of his vids.

And yes, the Colombian exchange was inevitable and a good thing. The only reason liberals talk about it so much is because they're trying to find another way to hate on Europe.

The only way it could have been possibly prevented is if the native Americans actually had slightly decent political systems and technology.
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>>1627010
Even if the Colombian Exchange was inevitable, it didn't necessarily have to be so actively sadistic.

Columbus had natives digging for gold on Islands that had very little and when they failed he'd slice their hand off. He fed natives to dogs and sold 11 year old native girls as sex slaves.
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>I mean the vikings got to the new world and settled L'Anse aux Meadows. I think things would have ended up almost as bad for the Natives had the settlement survived, and Europeans used it, rather than the Caribbean as the doorway into the continent.
I doubt it. The Spaniards and all the others had the technology to just go straight over the Atlantic, they had big ships good for prolonged open sea travel.
When Leif Erikson sighted the Americas people in Europe had ships that needed to take shore far more often, which meant that it would have been quite hard to travel both ways over the Atlantic by not taking the route by Greenland and Iceland, where you could stay and rest at dry land. A route only the Norse peoples had an access to.
So the amount of nations coming over to take their piece of the continent would have been much smaller just like the need to do so as the people living in Scandinavia could just dump their surplus population in other parts of Europe unlike the continental nations a few centuries later. Not to forget that the technological difference would have been much smaller and while germs did the most damage the Native Americans may have had enough time to recover their population somewhat before the main invasion wave came. Not to forget that the Norse may have began trading with the Indians, which may have lead to those people getting some technology and maybe even beasts of burden for themselves.
Suppose it would only matter if the trade involved the agricultural civilizations further to the south.
I hope that makes sense.

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