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Artificial Inteligence Thread 2016-09-02 15:13:07 Post No.1637543
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2016-09-02 15:13:07
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>Created in the image and likeness of...
Why we would do it again?
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Read up on "the Chinese room". AI is impossible according to our current understanding
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>>1637556
The man doesn't understand Chinese, but the system/"set of instructions" does. The objection would be like saying humans are not concious because no individual neuron is unconcious.
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>>1637543
to transform into even smarter beings, or be succeeded
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A post scientific judaism/christianity.
So, from archeology and anthropology we know much better the history of the israelities and it seems to be comletely different to how it is described in the bible.
>no sign of any exodus out of mesopotamia by abraham.
>no exodus out of egypt or enslavement by the Egyptians or Moses.
>no conquering of canaan.
>no grand davidic dynasty(it existed but was extremely basic, controlling tiny villages)
>Israeites were simply nomadic canannites that used canannite and nearby lands for pastor and eventually settled in.
So, now if we tak einto account archeological data and accept the bible as a theological treatise that uses history sparcily to create a narrative how do we none the less justify the theological approach?
How do we interpret the bible as important and corect despite its obvious political and societal underpinnings?
I mean, lets assume we have to, how can we make the two work? How do we see judaism and christianity as valid and important RELIGIONS after we accept and internalize the archeological data?
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>>1637510
>lets assume we have to
Luckily we don't, though.
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>>1637510
I heard that Ur was discovered because of the story in Genesis. Is that true or just memery?
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That is a very honest question OP and one that I often ask myself. And I do mean myself. Don't expect many other Christians to acknowledge let alone respond to this. They would sooner hide in a shell and claim that all scientists, historians and archaeologists are out to get them, and/or make up pseudo scientific theories as to why the bible is right and everyone else is either wrong or lying, than facing the facts, that the bible may be largely fictional. This takes nothing away from the fact that God may exist and that the ancient Israelites intuited it (but so did the Greeks), and many religious and philosophical traditions were enlarged upon it. Many saints, ascetics and monks later had intuitions about whom this God may be and enlarged and expanded upon the tradition. There are good arguments for the existence of God and the Christian tradition is a way to try to get in communion with him. The bible being factual or not doesn't change that. It's unfortunate that Christians feel threatened by this and would rather dig their heads in the sand of biblical literalism.
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Why Arianism didn't prevail over nicene Christianity? It makes much more sense.
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>>1637474
It was for a while and it was a big problem. A lot of the Goths who took over what was the WRE were converts of it. Over time, orthodoxy prevailed.
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>>1637474
Because Nicene theology isn't some a priori attempt to reason down what exactly the essence of god is. It's a muddled compromise between Unitarian and actual polytheistic elements in early Christianity. It HAD to prevail, and you had the effort on the top pushing for it to prevail, because the alternative is all these various sects either drifting apart or fighting again.
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Because Constantine wanted to stop the squabbling ASAP
>The Treaty of Verseilie was too harsh on Germany
When will this meme end? We were much harder on them after WWII and that time they actually stayed down
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>>1637298
>we
>them
>germans
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>>1637298
Because most turds never even bother to read about what the treaty was about and what points were actually enforced from it.
For example, most unironically believe Danzig was simply given to Poland, when in fact it was made a separate state.
Not only that but the Nazis won the 1933 elections there, so in 1939 they were technically in charge of Danzig already.
Also, the initial reparations weren't enforced and were eventually forgotten.
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>>1637305
>Not just assuming everyone on the Internet is American
Is Anglicanism leaning more towards Catholicism or Protestantism? They seem to hold some Catholic traditions and they didn't start the same as did many Protestant churches. It was just king Henry VIII wanting to get a divorce.
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It's ''protestant'' in the sense that the King is head of the church instead of the pope.
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>>1637067
So in all other ways they're the same as Catholics?
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>Be Richard Lionheart
>Recieve a letter From Salah Al Din
>"كس امك"
How would you react?
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>>1637065
Saladin?
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Obviously travel across the known world to go fight for some sand and rocks
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>>1637065
>Be richard lionheart
>get rekt by a crossbow
lol
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>listen to the rest of the in our time Julius Caesar podcast
>they're having a nice chuckle about Caesar genociding the Celts
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Fuck the Celts tbqh
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Celts did everything wrong
Brennus, the Cimbri, Teutones and Ambrones sealed the fate of the Celts by being stupid fucks
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Good thread anon but I'll have to stop you there as we're running short on time.
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What was Stalin's master plan? Tell me about Tehran, about Yalta. WHAT DID HE WANT?
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"Wherever I go, I must unite the Slavic peoples under one flag. But first, I must murder that faggot Tito".
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>>1637009
He wanted a one world communist government.
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>>1637015
Wasn't that Trotsky who wanted the one world government?
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Were the Roman and Greek soldiers one and the same? 2016-09-02 11:44:40 Post No.1636998
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Were the Roman and Greek soldiers one and the same?
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I know the Romans were influenced by the Greeks hugely and I was wondering if the Greeks and Romans had pretty much the same or similar armor and weaponry.
To me, it would look like the common Greek and Roman soldier were equal foes in military technology even before Rome's conquest of it.
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"""GREEK""" Soldier.
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>>1636999
So you're saying the city-states had different arms and armor technology?
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Look, the panoplia and lorica hamata are different armors, their shields have different shapes.
Beyond the individual soldier and his equipment, formations, deployment, training, recruitment, garrisons, army hierarchies, were all different processes.
Even the martial culture is different, fighting for the institution called polis and fighting for the institution called professional army aren't the same thing.
They look similar because they are people living in the ancient world.
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Can anyone explain to me what's so impressive about killing unarmed people? And why when Mongols were doing the same they were subhuman savages but as soon as it comes to vikings then suddenly ''farmers were actually armed because muh pitchforks, it totally counts as legit battle to kill a child from a shithole village''? Why people have such a big need to glorify bandits? It's because they are Scandinavian? I bet if vikings were arabs or blacks or Slavs you all would call them savages.
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>>1636889
Can anyone explain why you keep making these threads?
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Why I have always wondered why westerners are biased towards themselves... bunch of weirdos.
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Glorification of vikings isn't as common as you're pretending it is.
The vikings in The Last Kingdom were depicted pretty similarly to the Mongols in Marco Polo, if anything the depiction of Mongols was more sympathetic.
Can you recommend some historical fictional?
I'm looking for fiction set in either Ancient Near East, Ancient Greece, or Ancient Rome and are accurate to history.
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>>1636740
I've not read anything stellar, but I can give views on two books that fit your description,
>Gates of Fire
by Steven Pressfield
It's the story about a helot who follows his master into the fightings of Thermopylae. It's very glorifying of Spartan culture but a damn fine adventure book.
>Empire of Ashes
by Nicolas Nicastro
Tells the story of a follower of Alexander. This book depicts Alexander's main drive as being his wish for a death in a glorious battle, knowing that all of his predecessors that have sat upon the macedonian throne have died from political assassination.
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>>1636740
Mika Waltari obviously, particularly "The Egyptian" and "The Roman".
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ITT: People who didn't fly so good
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The Finnish origin of Odin 2016-09-02 09:47:55 Post No.1636665
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The Finnish origin of Odin
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>In the Skjöldunga saga and the Ynglinga saga, Odin came from Asia and conquered Northern Europe. He gave Sweden to his son Yngvi and Denmark to his son Skjöldr. Since then the kings of Sweden were called Ynglings and those of Denmark Skjöldungs.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skj%C3%B6ldr
>Snorri Sturluson hints at a less divine origin in Skáldskaparmál for this dynasty: One war-king was named Skelfir; and his house is called the House of Skilfings: his kindred is in the Eastern Land. In the 13th century, the official Swedish/Scandinavian term for the modern-day Southern Finland was "Eastern Land", Österland, i.e. the eastern half of Sweden at the time.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yngling
Odin was a Finnish man and Varangian king Rurik over a thousand years later was his descendant with a mutated Finnish haplogroup.
>According to the descendant testing listed at the Russian Nobility DNA Project at FTDNA, the branch of the Rurik dynasty descended from Vladimir II Monomakh (Monomakhoviches) belong to Y-DNA haplogroup N1c1-L550 (Y4343 subclade), and includes Alexander Nevsky (1220-1263) and Ivan the Terrible (1530-1584). Notwithstanding, the branch descended from Vladimir II Monomakh's presumed paternal cousin Oleg I of Chernigov (Olgoviches) belonged to R1a1a. The Y-DNA from the Proto-Rurikid branches is N1c1 and matches the distinctive haplotype of the Monomakhoviches. Furthermore, this N1c1 haplotype possess the distinctive value DYS390=23, found in Scandinavia but not in Uralic populations, confirming that this was indeed the original haplotype of the Varangian prince Rurik (c. 830-c. 879) who established the Kievan Rus'.
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>>1636665
I'm the OP of the original thread and I didn't make this one btw.
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>>1636665
This is as silly as claiming that Native Americans are the real ancestors of western Europe. Sweden found them in glorified mudhuts known as saunas before they got CHRISTED.
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>>1636692
Nope, read the original thread.
Finnics aren't native to Northern Europe but are warlike conquerors from the Volga.
It's complete pseudoscience to claim otherwise.
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Is traditionalism dead? Is there even a point in fighting social decay?
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Protip:
Most /pol/ browsers and alt-rightists aren't traditionalists at all.
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>>1636637
>traditionalism
>fighting social decay
These things are not the same. There may be some occasional overlap but they're not synonymous.
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I saw a post on The Phora about this and how basically traditionalists are wrong and fascists are right because history is "cyclical" or whatever. Basically there was no fall from grace, so there is nothing really to "go back" to. Cultures die and new things rise up out of their ashes.
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how did chariot warfare work?
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It's a mobile platform from which you can shoot arrows and throw javelins, one drives, the other killls.
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>>1636577
>stand on chariot
>throw javelins/shoot bow
>enemy comes close, run away
or
>ride chariot to battle
>get off and fight on foot like a normal person
>shit gets too scary jump back on and run away
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>>1636577
>so what do you do masturbanipal?
>...
>...
>I ride