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I'm not a fucking limey but check this shit out about tea.

>Grows in China, mainly only exported to Japan. It's called Tu.
>1500's some dude brings it to Europe.
>Brits go fucking nuts for it.
>Start naval empire for the sole purpose of buying tea.
>Britain buys literally all the fucking tea in China for all its silver bullion, utterly bankrupting itself.
>Britain finds Opium in shit tier India.
Britain gets China addicted to Opium to balance the debt. Lel.
>Enter China's Age of Woe
>China gets pissed for turning it's citizens into drug loving hippies. Colossal War ensues.
>Meanwhile Brits decide they want sugar in their tea, basically kick starting the slave trade in earnest.
>Stick sugar plantations all over Americas
>Kill half the niggers in Africa just to grow that sweet sweet sugar
>Blitz through India, be like "Oi grow tea or everyone dies"
>okay
>China's fucked, rebellions happening, broke from opium wars, monopoly on tea is gone.
Also their "Empress" was a fucking cunt
>Africa's completely fucked, millions dead, millions in chain's halfway around the world
>the America's rolling in wealth from plantations and slave labor
>Everyone and their mum drinks tea, Britain makes fucking bank
>Tea's alright I guess, it's mostly enjoyable thinking the amount of corpses that brew yielded

Tea thread general
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>Fucking up half the world for a drink
Literally the definition of based
>ywn be a proud subject of the queen ;_;
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Kinda unrelated but why did brits drinked exclusively black tea when chinese drinked green tea? Was black tea a thing in China?
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>>2006747
Not as it was like in the west, no. Chinese black tea was more of a fermented more bitter version.

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What went right?
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Everthing
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pkAe6pg0UJo
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Pepe San Roman

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Why do modern Egypt arabs pretend to be the descendants of Ancient egyptians?
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>>2006547
but they are. ethnic identities sometimes have little to do with real blood ties and more to do with religion and culture
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>>2006561
Well, Ancient egyptians and Arabs don't have the same religion and their culture is really different. In what point are they similar?
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Do they?

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When it's all said and done, can C/his/tians agree that the only real heretics are non-Nicene Christians?
Most Protestants, Catholics, and Eastern Orthodox agree a lot more than they disagree in the grand scheme of things
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Yes.

This is why the Mormons are the true snakes, them and the Seventh Day Adventists. Mostly the Mormons, though. It boils my blood when I hear about right-thinking Christians including Mormons in their prayers.
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>>2006262
pretty sure most everyday christians only give passing fucks about this issue.
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>>2006262
I think the Nicene creed codified what was necessary for salvation, and even then, I'm not absolutely sure if Arianism is so heretical that one can hold such beliefs and be denied heaven. Pelagesians and Judaizers are pretty easy to condemn though. I believe that the most important thing for a Christian to recognize is that works do not imbue righteousness; Christians disagree as to what role works play in the Christian life, but it is abundantly clear that it is through Christ's sacrifice and victory alone that we are saved. By this, even Arians can be saved, although like non-Chalcedonians, I believe they miss out on some enlightened truths, and are less likely to remain saved.

Ps. I am an Anglican with heavy Orthodox leanings, but I retain Anglican ecclesiology, Sacramental theology, and Filioque.

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The Primary Will is the will that create all the others.The will of survive.You donĀ“t get it?Sit down and listen.

Why you work?To get money.Why you want money?To buy things.Why you want buy things?Because I want or need.

What is this need?

Survive.Survive is our Primary Will.We do what we do because we want to do or we need.

The Primary Will,create all the others wills.
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Sure, but I think you used the wrong picture.
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The ultimate goal of the Primary Will is immortality, but immortality is just as horrifying as death.

Existence is FUN, guys.
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>>2006234
>The ultimate goal of the Primary Will is immortality

How did you come to that conclusion?

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It seems clear science is going to eclipse philosophy in learning about the truth of the world.

Philosophers would note key aspects of certain things they don't understand and would write entire theories and books on them. No research or math to back them up.

Scientists would note key aspects of the unknown too, but instead of not investigating they would employ skills foundational skills like science and math to back them up.

Philosopher:
>where did that star come from?
>who knows it's beyond our hegelian, Aristotelian comprehension
>same philosopher: hey wanna start marxism

Scientist:
>hey were did those stars come from
>well, due to the foundation laws of logic, physics and math I can deduce that i's one of the planets of our solar system -Mars
>scientist 1000 years later: well I'll be damned, there's Rover mining data on it for us 1000 years later!

Honestly and truly, why do we take philosophers seriously?
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>>2004664
no one does outside of this board.
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>he actually and unironically has made a dichotomy between science and philosophy

Hello, /sci/, how is $300 000 per year going?
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Hey dipshit, "modern" is not the same as "contemporary." In philosophy, "modern" starts in the 1600s with Descartes.

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Was he right? Or just butthurt that he couldn't attract a female in modern industrial society?
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He suffered from the side effects of being brilliant. Acting socially suffers from being too smart.

He was also right about modern industrial society destroying the soul of men.
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/r9k/ before /r9k/.

Also, one does not discredit the other, just because he saw through the world due to his Robot status, doesn't make him wrong
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>>2002373
>just because he saw through the world due to his Robot status, doesn't make him wrong

Yes it does.

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Was he a hero?
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>>2002169
He was AN hero
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>>2002169
There are no heroes among men
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>>2002169
hero at lived long enough to see himself become a villain and a villain who lived long enough to see himself become a hero

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Were the generals of the CSA really that much better than those of the USA?
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>>2001525
Who won again?
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>>2001578
Military leadership alone doesn't dictate the winner in a conflict. Logistics, industry and manpower gave the North victory.

t. Mississippi boy
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>>2001578
Without the excellent leadership the south had the war would have been over in a few months. The North had EVERYTHING in their favor, manpower, economy, industry, logistics the only thing that kept the south in was their leadership.

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I've seen a large surge in the amount of people asserting, ironically or not, that various religious ideologies such as neopaganism and witchcraft are ahistorical roleplaying. Usually cited in these criticisms are materials like Graves or Murray having been shown to be essentially pulling things from their ass. Gardner often get criticized for cribbing materials from Crowley, and the discussion gets left at that. But, what if this isn't actually the case? The folks leveling these criticisms clearly haven't done any serious anthro-historical research on the topics of witchcraft since the 70's, because there's been a complete pile of texts published in academic currents that argue for compartmentalization of practices not relying on Murray's witch-cult hypothesis.

The earliest evidence of witchcraft comes from Babylon. Brill has an edition of protections against witchcraft from Babylon. There's also the Udug-Hul incantations, Lamastu Incantations, and ā€œBabylonian witchcraft literatureā€.

The Greek Magickal Papyri can be considered a form of witchcraft, especially in terms of the empowerment of amulets present though it and similar religious praxes and evokatory protocol. The concepts of spirit work in these, as well as late Semitic practices, essentially find their way into the later western Grimoire tradition. Funny, then, that when you go through the fine details of Agrippa he mentions various entities from Mandaean culture and the historical Book of Enoch; indeed there's speculation from myself and others (Italian scholar Eugino Garin) that large chunks of what we consider western magick has its origins with the Mandaeans, in terms of how spirits are bound and evokations/invokations are given. In fact, some Mandaean spirits find their way into Agrippa (and thence the rest of the grimoire materials)
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>>2000172
Agrippa's three books tend to serve as the basic foundation of Western magick; indeed Dee & Kelley's Enochian elaborations are standardized by Agrippa. Beyond Agrippa there's cultural material like Sefer Raziel. The notions of a modern grimoire tradition tend to flow from these sources.

Tthe grimoire tradition of Europe spans from like maybe 1200 to maybe 1800, between the foundation of modern (read: Lurianic) Kabbalah and the writing of Elphais Levi. When someone's talking about ā€œdemon summoningā€ or ā€œGoetiaā€, they're usually referring to Lemegeton, a text which describes the 72 spirits bound by Solomon, their qualities and means of summoning them, sigils, with other books dealing with planetary magick and angleic material (which is tied more closely to the year). Given that Lemegeton is the most common material, I recommend ā€œLon Milo Duquette's Illustrated Goetiaā€ for noobs or Henson's Lemegeton for advanced practitioners. There are a lot of material needs for these rites. I'm of the school that you'll do fine just trying to work the material to the best of your ability. IMHO the minimum requirements are a chalk circle or one painted into cloth, and either a black mirror or a source of smoke (aside from various specific sigils). There's a LOT more grimoire material, though, from Grimorium Verum to Black Pullet to various more obscure texts. Interestingly, about Verum, we may be able to validate some form of Satanic styled tradition via The Pact of Urbain Grandier, which shows a sigil that would not be put to paper (as far as we know) for well over a hundred years. The mark at the top of Grandier's pact is startlingly similar to Silcharde's personal sigil in Verum.
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>>2000175
(my revised /sum/ pastebin for those curious about Lemegeton: http://pastebin.com/v6qsewmw )

In any case, these materials were used by so called 'cunning folk' as the grimoire period wound down. A long time ago Murray wrote about a theoretical ā€œwitch cultā€ and long ago it was debunked.ā€¦

But this isn't the entire story. There are clearly writings from the time just prior to witch panic which describe a more or less cohesive body of practices melding old forms of paganism, the aforementioned source materials, and late folk magic remnants that survived Christist suppression. A Candle in the Darkness and Saducismus triumphatus give perhaps the first view of practices after Formicarius changed the public perception of witchcraft (introducting the idealized form of mostly female covens).

So what does all this mean in light of modern scholarship?
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>>2000184
Most modern conceptions of witchcraft are routing through Carlo Ginzburg, Norman Cohn, and Emma Wilby (Cunning Folk and Familiar Spirits: Shamanistic Visionary Traditions in Early Modern British Witchcraft and Magic, Europe's Inner Demons: An Enquiry Inspired by the Great Witch-Hunt, The Visions of Isobel Gowdie: Magic, Witchcraft and Dark Shamanism in Seventeenth-Century Scotland, The Visions of Isobel Gowdie, The Night Battles: Witchcraft and Agrarian Cults in the Sixteenth and Seventeenth Centuries, Ecstasies. Deciphering the Witches' Sabbath, Between the Living and the Dead: A Perspective on Witches and Seers in the Early Modern Age, Witchcraft, Mythologies and Persecution, Christian Demonology And Popular Mythology: Demons, Spirits, Witches), with basic academic titles filling out the empty space (Oxford Handbook of Witchcraft, Agents of Witchcraft in Early Modern Italy and Denmark, Icelandic Magic, Witchcraft and Belief in Early Modern Scotland, Physical Evidence for Ritual Acts of Sorcery and Witchcraft, Anglo-saxon Charms, Superstition and Magic in Early Modern Europe, etc.).

A guy by the name of Andrew Chumbley, practicing occultist and PhD candidate in History (of religion) was writing a dissertation on possible validations a line of transmission from the sorts of practices mentioned in the witch-hunting manuals down to the modern day, when he died of asthma shortly after preparing to release some occult books which were pushed back many years. Anyway, some of his assertions can be found in ā€œchildren of qayinā€ which is in my Cultus Sabbati folder; it displays photos of ā€œWitch Bottlesā€ held in museums, the jugs having origins in both America and Europe, and they bear marks that look more or less like the sigil methods described by Agrippa and later popularized by Spare and the Chaos Magick traditions.

Tell us about your local history, and if it has any effect on your community today.

Any local traditions? Do you live near any ruins, battlefields, or historical buildings? Does the history in your area have any effect on you or the locals?
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I live in the same village William Wallace was born in
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>>1996559
Nice, and if wikipedia is correct, the guy that played Robb Stark is also from your village?

I live by a bay, we have this cute old lighthouse. The inside is all preserved with 19th century furnishings.
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Chemin de Chambly is the most ancient road of Canada. Thats it.

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Are the Baby Boomers the worst generation who ever lived in the Western World?

1. Born in peace and prosperity that their parents, the Greatest Generation, gave them mindful their own troubled childhoods. Grew up in homes which could afford one parent not working at all.
2. As soon as their grew up, they abnegated everything their world stood for. They didn't want to correct its ills, they wanted to turn in on its head. They experimented with drugs and radical movements. They achieved jack shit. All positive changes in post-WW2 society like desegregation, expansion of civil rights, healthcare were all achieved by older generations.
3. When they became parents themselves, they immediately denied to their own children everything they enjoyed. Remember the War on drugs, conservative revolution and other wicked things that they supported.
4. When they achieved political power in late 1970s onward, they drove in two directions: an energy system totally dependent on fossil fuels (and backlash against atomic energy and electricity) and free trade deals. They fucked up everything. Environment is doomed, Middle-east is perpetually a powderkeg due to oil money and manufacturing moved into Asian sweatshops causing deindustrialization in the West. Even climate change deniers recruit mostly from baby boomers.
5. They used their power to finance a lifestyle well above their means. The effect is massive debt, both public and private. Debt which will be a burden for future generations for decades to come.
6. They are in their 60s and 70s. Pay for their retirement, you ungrateful little shit.
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>>1992786
I wholeheartedly agree with this
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>>1992786
Can't find fault in this, to be honest.
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>>1992786
You are 100% right.

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Post your beast history memes here
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Powerful photograph thread
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>>1987002
Will we ever again have a war that is so truly good against evil?
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>>1987009
Only if the US ever goes against Communist China and North Korea with Russia

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Why is /his/ suddenly so anti-Catholic?
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Go to hell papist
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